[S07.E19: Last To Know]

23 hours ago, Juniebaby said:

I've been noticing lately that Jace is getting a nervous tic.  He is frequently blinking his eyes, but not in a natural way, its more of a nervous tic.  This kid is always being put in the middle and it is really affecting him.

The tic could be a side-effect of medication, specifically ADHD medicine. 

[S07.E07: Man Of The House]

Ah, you're right, I confused some of the stats. Latest overall stats that I could find (of newest studies, post-2012) are 47% overall, while over half of women will have a child out of wedlock at least once--so lots of the babies being born into marriage are half-siblings, etc. And 71% of women without a bachelor's degree will have at least one child out of wedlock, while if you have a bachelor's degree it's only a third (I was shocked by that difference). Among millennials--not just teens but women under 30 was how they defined it--it's a majority (64% overall) who will have at least one child outside of wedlock, so it's expected to grow. Statisticians expect the majority of all births to be outside of wedlock by 2025. I don't know what to make of that or if that's good or bad, it's just a different cultural landscape, I guess. Which will lead to more conversations about this kind of thing (the politics of name changes, etc).

http://www.slate.com/articles/business/moneybox/2014/06/for_millennials_out_of_wredlock_childbirth_is_the_norm_now_what.html

I think a lot of unmarried women who have children are not and do not consider themselves single because they are cohabiting and sharing everything and for all practical purposes, are married. Some people aren't religious , so the church thing is out. Some don't care to spend money on a reception and maybe don't care to be the center of attention. Because the taboo for the most part of being unmarried has waned, people are committing without the marriage certificate.

[S07.E07: Man Of The House]

If Chelsea makes a big deal about Aubree's last name, then so will Aubree.  I don't see what the big deal is.  Sure, Adam's not the father of the year, but he's still Aubree's dad, and he's still a part of Aubree's life, even though he doesn't play with her and Cole does.  Aubree's father's name is Lind, so is Aubree's.  Unless his last name is Hitler, big deal.  Chelsea just wants to completely eradicate Adam from Chelsea's life.  It's not like Adam is physically abusive to Aubree or is some kind of junkie drug addict.  Aubree will somehow manage to survive her childhood, thanks to Chelsea, Cole, and the rest of the Houskas.  IMO, Chelsea's just making it a bigger deal than it needs to be.

At least it's a short, easy name to pronounce. I agree that it's no big deal and that she knows who he is and where her name came from as he is in her life. I know it's difficult to change a child's name . I wonder if Aubree was given her mother's last name at birth and Adam was listed on the birth certificate as the father, how tricky it would be to later change the name to the father's? I think it sucks for kids who are given their father's last name at birth to have those father's abandoned them when they are infants and then they're stuck with some random name that has no connection to them. A relative of mine has three kids with three different sperm donors, the kids all have different last names and now she has her husband's last name. I would almost advise a pregnant woman ( teenager) to give the baby her last name if she doubts he'll stick around, and if the father is still in the picture when the kid starts kindergarten, then change the name. Idk? I'm not judging, its confusing. I was not married when my child was born but we got married when he was a toddler. I changed my name years after we married when he started school because I decided I wanted us all to have the same name. Personal choice, my choice.

[Jesus God, Leah!!]

I can't even decide if that's better or worse than meeting him on Tinder or other dating apps.

I've been married a long time. Someone please explain what the tinder dating app is

[S07.E06: Hindsight]

Personally I've always felt that Adam only started on the custody thing with Aubree because his parents prodded him to.

It makes you wonder what kind of parents Adam has? I'm having a hard time believing two decent people raised Adam.

[Jesus God, Leah!!]

He is a kids' football coach. MTV apparently hired him to help with Leah. Some sort of training. I guess MTV is in the pimpin' business now.

Thanks all for the screencaps and photos.

I despise Leah and I despise MTV more for this farce. What other bullshit are they shoving down our throats?

What? That's how she meet him! MTV hired him? She's pathetic. In a bad way. That's sad. She has no core, no idea who she is or what she's about to just Velcro herself to the nearest dick possible. It has to come from her upbringing, right? This have no self worth and just jump on the closest man.... Hey, I'm a huge believer in the latest studies that suggest genetics have way more influence over personality traits than previously assumed. Common thought decades ago was that we all come into the world as a " clean slate" and our environment wrote on that slate. I always balked at that seemingly archaic notion, and tended to agree that so much of our personality and certainly our temperament is determined by our DNA. However, self esteem and confidence seem to be acquired through a healthy childhood. I have to wonder about Leah's childhood with Mamma Dawn. Did Mamma Dawn take Leah to the library? And tell her she can do anything? I see the writing on the walls with these girls. It's no wonder at all that Leah is constantly chasing; that Janelle is constantly screaming, it's no wonder given how involved Randiliousious is that Chealse is valuing a family man. Kail is just trying to survive because that's what she does. None of these people are flawless, but the one's who have family and their kids' on the front burner are the ones who either came from that or got a glimpse of that and made it their mission.

[Kailyn: Kail Smash!]

Kail seems to surround herself by sycophants, though. Sadly, there are people who will be loyal friends to the most vile of people. Usually they're morally lacking themselves, or they're so insecure that they like having an Alpha friend to lead them around. I'm not saying Kail is a horrible person, but having some longterm friends doesn't mean she's great at relationships. Sterling definitely seems like an ass kisser. But I recall how Kail flipped out while on vacation with her and her mom, because of Javi's texts, and basically made their trip very very uncomfortable. Didn't she also flip out on members of her bridal party about earrings? 

 

I see her friendships a lot like her marriage - smooth, as long as you tow the line. Her line. But she will cut a bitch!

Wow, exactly. I know someone exactly like this. She sort of surrounds herself with who she considers important and big fishes in their small pound. Funny thing is this person I know was raised in the same kind of neglect as Kail was. Very dysfunctional. And yeah, the person I know, the moment I said something about a subject that she wasn't completely on board with, she cut me loose. Cut me like a bitch. And we had known each other for years. Very sensitive. It must come as a result of the upbringing.

[Kailyn: Kail Smash!]

I remember Kail was the one throwing the fit over the earrings. She wanted all the bridesmaids in matching earrings and when Javi's sisters balked, Kail snottily said "what's the big deal, they're only $20" as if everyone makes six figures like she does.

I've been in one wedding where the bride wanted us in matching accessories, and her mother purchased them for us as our bridesmaid's gifts. We got a beautiful set of pearl earrings and a pearl bracelet. Kail should've been mindful that most of her wedding party was very young and not wealthy. But of course, it's all about her so...

Yeah, that is obnoxious. Ugh, how do I say this diplomatically? So many women are inculcated to be self absorbed assholes regarding their wedding. They lose their good sense. My sister in law thought nothing of asking me to pay more than a weeks pay for her ugly brides maid's dress. It was more than I paid for my own wedding dress. I was in a different financial spot than her ( in college, husband in grad school, parent to a toddler) at the time. However, Kail didn't have a mother to say , hey this is the etiquette here, so I give her a pass.

[Kailyn: Kail Smash!]

I think she was a young, pregnant teenager thinking about having her own child to raise . And with that she may have been thinking about her own family of origin and perhaps that reaching out to her father might bring some love and peace. If I put myself in her shoes, that's what I imagine. She was abandoned by the two people who were supposed to provide and nurture her. Being pregnant is an emotional upheaval. It was a tear jerker watching her interact with her father. She was shortchanged by those who were supposed to meet her physical and emotional needs as a child. And while still very much a child, pregnant with the impending birth of a child that she will be responsible for, she, as if grasping for something that isn't there, flew down to Texas and was disappointed, rightfully so. It kills me to see kids abandoned. It is never justified, and I think those who don't take care of their own are the lowest of the low. It had to he crushing. But, I think she is a survivor and survivors push that yucky stuff down and get on with what needs to be done. In many ways she is very pragmatic and I think her pragmatism comes off as cold but all in all in all she has risen above; i. e. college, caring for her sons, making a home, trying to get ahead. But if her interpersonal stuff is whacked it's no wonder considering where she has come from. Just my, opinion. Okay, I thought I was quoting the person who said she was looking for a pay out with oil money from Daddy Warbucks. I guess not. I'm an idiot, I screwed up. I've been reading here forever and before that over at TWOP for years. Also, whoever said Cole is like Marty from Back to the Future, omg I had that exact thought! Also, Janelle ALWAYS RAM need me of, both in looks, bone structure, slits for lips, and sociopathy of Diane Downs ( the mother who shot her kids because her new man didn't want any).