[S13.E14: Aches and Spains]

How refreshing to get through a housewives dinner without any fighting. Loved Sutton this episode! She has an interesting life with real relationships that she is willing to share. Loved her interaction with Trevor. There is genuine love between them. Sutton was so raw and real with her scene with Kyle, reflection on her relationship with her father, her ex, and Merce. The other HWs just don't give what Sutton does wrt their real lives.  Plus she's rich and lives a fab lifestyle.

[S14.E03: Two Truths and No Shakshuka]

20 hours ago, Portae said:

Right. It's like the women are sensing that Jenna is getting preferential treatment (doesn't have to stay overnight, doesn't have to show her personal life, etc.) and starting to resent it. 

I think Jenna is the queen bee and the other women all are simultaneously jealous while seeking her approval. She gets special privileges wrt to filming and probably gets paid more. They all want to be the one closest to her, yet resent her special status. It will cause infighting among the lesser HWs as they all jockey to get closer to Jenna.

I agree with whoever wrote that Jenna likely has a project coming out that she wants to promote. This woman was at Solange Knowles wedding. She dressed Michelle Obama. She was the head of J. Crew, she has an eye lash line. She has all sorts of connections. She must be using HWs to promote something. 

I think Jenna has a very carefully curated life - every detail is attended to. Her gorgeous apartment - look at the video of her apartment - the details that have gone into everything including the pull-out shelving. Her wardrobe seems so effortless, and yet at the same time seems so affected.  

And on the show we are getting a carefully curated HW character - awkward, meek, indecisive, shy. Jenna Lyons has a cutthroat reputation in the business. She is not the meek, awkward person we are seeing on Rhony. I think the way she told Jessel to drop the bag is closer to the Jenna in real life. She is likely much more decisive and outspoken.

She grew up with a terrible disease and tells us on the show that she can only show her cleavage, yet this week on instagram is beautifully showing nearly her entire bikini-clad body stunningly photographed while on yacht vacation with a group of friends. 

"I didn't know there were gay women when I was growing up" but "How do these women not know who (the out) Billie Jean King was?" I am older than Jenna and knew back in the 70s that my 60+ year old middle school gym teach was a lesbian in upstate NY. Even people who weren't city slickers knew that women could be gay.  

"Tell me it's Dreamy Coffee!" Ugh! Can't be mad at Sai for being an influencer when Jenna is acting all Gwyneth Goopy on us. 

That said, she is probably going to be the best HW at controlling her story. 

Brynn is half black - she probably has been blowing out and straightening her hair which probably has more texture. I think Brynn will bring a lot more traditional HW nonsense to the show. And I am glad that she highlighted that Erin was more obsequious to Jenna than she was to Brynn. 

Erin is a cross between Bethenny (who she thinks she is) and Jill (who she really is).

Sai I like, I know the luggage was nonsense, but Influencer is a job, whether people think it should be or not, and she likely was changing each morning several times and taking photos. 

Jessel is going to be the Ramona - no filter or self-awareness. Really the green lingerie looked terrible. I mean come on - are we to believe that Jenna could give those hot sexy outfit to Sai and cute little outfit to Erin then that to Jessel and not have expected Jessel to feel a certain way? 

Ubah is gorgeous and light hearted. I hope she settles down with the antics because she doesn't need to be so "crazy fun". She seems like good energy.

 

[S12.E08: It Takes a Villain]

WRT to Diana's miscarriage text - Kyle, and likely the other women, seemed to take it as a diss to Garcelle. When Kyle and Mo were talking to Diana and her dress up boy toy, Kyle was mocking the text - not asking Diana about her well-being - and saying WOW that TEXT! As if it really was shocking socially, not medically. Diana fights with Sutton yet attacks Garcelle on SM.  

[S12.E05: In Hot Water]

9 minutes ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

It's funny to read that Crystal saying the Rorschach comment was obviously done with the worst of intentions and is obviously a racial aggression towards Garcelle, which.............. we can't in anyway know that.

But Sutton obviously has the best of intentions, she's just clumsy, and awkward, and innocent, and it's not fair to feel offended at her comments because that would be bullying and because she's Southern.

It doesn't seem like a fair double standard.

I believe she was responding to Garcelle who asked what Rorshach was, that she hadn't heard it.  It's offensive to direct it to an adult to tell them a word is a "big" word when they don't know what a word means. I think she was shading them all because she felt they overreacted to violated last year and told her it was a big word and now she is telling them that Rorshach is a big word. I think Crystal has a real snarky side. I would hope she wasn't making a racial comment against Garcelle.

[S12.E05: In Hot Water]

On 6/9/2022 at 12:44 PM, Ms Blue Jay said:

Crystal should be allowed to say she had a conversation with Sutton when she first met her that made her uncomfortable. Which she has restated.  This episode.  Word for word.  Without people saying Oh she's trying to assassinate Sutton's character.

I would hate to be in a friend group where I'm never allowed to express discomfort.

Oh now I'm at the end of the episode and Sutton is bringing up something dark about Crystal that she won't reveal.  I'm sure that this will be totally accepted and adored by the cast.  

It's so stupid that Crystal is not allowed to have different opinions about what Sutton said.  Saying that people of different cultures are allowed in your pool.  Um.... okay why wouldn't they be?  Crystal has a totally different life experience than Sutton and it's okay for her to find those comments weird.

On 6/9/2022 at 10:16 PM, eleanorofaquitaine said:

Why is it that Crystal's words have so much power but Sutton's don't? 

Yes, words have power. And Sutton's were problematic. Crystal has the right to think their problematic. If we're going to claim that Crystal's words were so allegedly powerful then we should probably do the same for Sutton's. 

Again, I think Crystal should have handled this differently in terms of inferences that can be drawn. But if we're going to say "words have power," we should be careful about our own words characterizing what actually happened and what Crystal did or didn't say.

Well Crystal can certainly be bothered anyway she wants by Sutton's words. I do think the initial talk with Kyle was edited. There may be something more there. Crystal may describe it as "dark" if she wants. Since it was a conversation about race, when she attaches "dark" to it, others will assume racist. Sutton was sitting at dinner that night and was willing to have Crystal out the conversation, Crystal had every opportunity to clear it up for everyone. If it was something other than what we have heard, I wish Crystal had told us then and there. It's ok if Crystal thought it was dark, it's ok if Garcelle didn't. It's not up to me as a white woman to tell Crystal how to feel about racism. But since Sutton was willing for Crystal to out her, I do wish Crystal had done it to clear the entire thing up. Sutton had just spoken the week before in the limo about how she had learned to listen to Crystal last summer. We could have learned how that discussion took place and how listening to a POC's views on racism can educate us all.

WRT to Sutton - her claims about Crystal were more direct and pointed. Crystal could refute them or inquire further about them. Sutton just had a vague "dark". 

On 6/9/2022 at 1:50 PM, Hiyo said:

I saw it as shade.

This is in regard to Rorshach being a  "Big word." The only other thing, and this might be giving Crystal a HUGE benefit of the doubt, because I just would hope she wouldn't be so offensive to Garcelle, is that the other women said "Violated is a very big word," to her last year.  I don't know. 

[S12.E04: The Crystal Conundrum]

On 6/2/2022 at 12:17 AM, laprin said:

I think these ladies need to choose words as charged as Crystal. Going forward, anything she said that I disagreed with would be labeled “problematic” or even “triggering”. I would declare her refusal to answer basic questions as “traumatizing.” If I’m Sutton, I would certainly tell her that such an accusation feels “abusive” and I feel “unsafe.” Let’s all play the word game. 

On 6/2/2022 at 4:24 AM, laprin said:

Being genuine is not an excuse to be reckless. The context and weight of one’s words can negatively impact other people. I believe racists are genuine, does that mean they get to use racists language? If Crystal has agency to choose words that others take offense to, why don’t they have agency to say they are offended? Crystal can express herself in whatever way she wants, but she can’t then police how others feel about the words she chooses. I would personally feel mortified if someone accused me of violating them. I liken a word that charged to assault, usually sexual. That might not be what Crystal meant, but words have societal connotations. I would have every right to vehemently defend myself against this characterization. 

On 6/2/2022 at 4:53 AM, CrinkleCutCat said:

Exactly. Words really are more than ’just’ words, as we are hard-wired as humans to react to language emotionally. Crystal can analyse a word, like ‘dark’ by how many letters and syllables it has but that’s being deliberately obtuse about the effect words have. Intention matters too. Some people just blurt out without much thought, but others intentionally and deliberately use words to hurt or manipulate. I think the focus should be on intention rather than specific words, which can spill over to being pedantic about word choice instead of focusing on the real issue at hand. Although, some people prefer that an argument/disagreement/conflict remains on the pedantic focus of word choice in order to avoid the real issue.

Crystal is smart, and she knows words have different connotations. She seems to choose the most extreme word for both of the conflicts she has found herself in. Crystal had the right to be upset and to choose the word violated. "Violation" when coupled with nudity to many implies a sexual violation. Invasion of privacy seems a more common description of what happened. Yes violation is a technical definition, but our language has nuance, and is impacted by societal norms. Crystal should know this. She was unwilling to understand or compromise about her choice of words - this is an important skill to learn in life when dealing with people of different age groups and different experiences. I found it interesting that this season on the way back from Kyle's in the limo with Crystal and Diana that Sutton acknowledged that she had to learn to listen to Crystal about how Crystal was feeling. 

Same with "Are you the girl who doesn't see color" and the choice of "Dark." Connecting the two implies a racist comment. Instead of just answering, "No I didn't set up Sutton, it was a spontaneous comment when she inserted herself into the conversation between me and Kyle," she alludes to some "dark" comment that clearly hasn't forestalled a friendship with Sutton.

Meanwhile, Crystal was right and Sutton was wrong in that original discussion. The editing in that scene is wonky, so I wouldn't be surprised if more was said.

On 6/2/2022 at 12:17 PM, SweetieDarling said:

Did anyone else think it was odd that Garcelle was willing and ready (almost eager) to re-evaluate her relationship with and feelings toward Sutton based on something Sutton said to Crystal a year ago that had been forgiven, because Crystal said it was "dark"?

No I think that would be normal. who would want to be friends with a racist - what I am assuming Crystal is implying. 
 

I am hoping Sutton didn't say anything more problematic than "I don't see color" and diffused the situation at her party because she wanted it to go off without a hitch and didn't want a typical HW brawl. I hope it's not because she said worse things. Sutton did and IG post last year apologizing for her statement and acknowledging her ignorance.

[S12.E02: Receipt Offender]

On 5/23/2022 at 2:08 PM, Josette said:

I'm not sure why Lisa Rinna is suddenly claiming Sutton didn't buy a table.  That's not what she said previously.

On 5/23/2022 at 3:32 PM, ZettaK said:

Lisa, you're not a guest of Elton John if Sutton bought a table, and you were sitting at it.

On 5/25/2022 at 11:11 AM, ladle said:

Ughhhh it physically pains me to say anything that might border on defending Rinna, but Sutton’s receipt really doesn’t prove that Sutton is telling the truth. Sutton still could have canceled those tickets after the email was sent. Then again, that doesn’t explain how Sutton and Rinna ended up at a table together. But I would think that Rinna would be savvy enough not to lie about something that could be so easily disproven? I also don’t get the sense that Sutton is lying, though. 

So, like you, I have a lot of difficulty unraveling what really happened here (and not enough energy to care). 

I just watched the WWHL clip on Youtube. Sutton first says that she invited Lisa and Harry to attend as her guests. And then she goes on to say that she paid for their tickets. After further discussion someone says, "You bought a table" and she says yes. But she also says that Lisa and Harry may not have been told that she paid for their tickets.

Lisa is all over the place. She tweets that Sutton bought the table. She knows she herself didn't pay. Bottom line, Sutton came to Harry's dinner and apologized for even bringing it up, and then when Lisa won't accept her apology and accuses her of welching on the charity and Sutton vindicates herself, Rinna then goes on and makes it about Sutton dissing Dorit when it all could've been avoided if Lisa had just accepted an apology. 

[S12.E14: Reunion Part 1]

On 5/4/2022 at 5:48 PM, Jeanne222 said:

Isn’t Teresa the one always saying family is everything and we need to be strong together?

Now her brother is at the friends table????

Reminds me of the Christening Scene - the 1st time we met Melissa and Joe. Where were Teresa and Juicy sitting bc it wasn't at Melissa and Joe's table.

On 5/5/2022 at 6:07 AM, Talented Tenth said:

I wouldn't either if a sibling and wife came on a show I was on, called me garbage and scum then befriended my enemies and talked shit about me.

Is this sarcasm?  Before joining the show Melissa was talking shit about Teresa to Danielle which Danielle brought up at the reunion.  It was the catalyst to Teresa pushing Andy.  Melissa and Joe then got on the show without telling Teresa and buddied up with Teresa's enemies.

When it's all said and done, Gia has a right to defend her father and to not want to hear an uncle say negative things about him in the press or on national tv.  Even if parents are wrong and flawed, anyone who loves and has a relationship with their father wouldn't want extended family bashing their parent.

Melissa blindsided Teresa - Teresa didn't know they were coming on the show until the night before. Teresa called up Kim D and wanted to quit the show. They talked about this on RHUGT.

On 5/5/2022 at 11:06 PM, Momager said:

I think Delores sees through Luis and understands he’s potentially a danger to Teresa and that’s why she immediately said she was fine with not being invited. Maybe she thought if she made a big deal about it, that would give Luis a reason to be upset with Teresa and maybe isolate her from Delores. The guy seems like a nut job.

On 5/6/2022 at 8:19 AM, snarts said:

Delores not attending had nothing to do with Luis. 

She wasn't invited out of respect for Dina who is one Teresa's closest friends and Matron of Honor. 

Delores maintains a friendship with Caroline Manzo, Caroline is Dina's estranged sister, so estranged that Caroline sided with Dina's ex-husband who's awaiting trial for allegedly organizing attacks on Dina and her current husband. 

Dina does not get along with Dolores. Dina hosted the engagement party. Dolores is fine not being invited because she sides with Caroline. Caroline wrote Tommy a good reference letter for his sentencing for when he hired the hit man to beat up Dina and her then boyfriend, now husband. I think Dina is going to be Teresa's maid of honor.

Melissa doesn't have Teresa's back any more than Teresa has Melissa's. Teresa texted Melissa about not talking about Luis, and Melissa walks right out and tells the other women about Teresa's texts. In past seasons the only time I really remember Tre having Melissa's is when Jacqueline said she had a nose job. Joe calls people all sorts of names, yet you say one thing back to him like "Bitch Girl" and he storms off. He and Teresa were raised in some weird toxic environment. 

As for Andy telling Teresa that he would've brought up Luis's dirt, I want him to start bringing up Marge's dirt and Joe Gorga's dirt. The HW all complain about this being the Tre Show, yet we have all this gossip going around about Marge having people sue her, Joe Gorga being on Good Morning America for advertising other people's houses as his own work and rumors of him having credit issues at Home Depot, Tracie and Tiki and their origin story. Dolores and Frank as the origin of Evan cheating story and Dolores as the origin of Bill cheating from working in Bill's office at the time. Somehow, Andy only has time to go after Luis's stuff. These people are all the lowest of the low.

[S12.E01: The Break-in]

As others have mentioned why wasn't Dorit's dog barking at the sound of the glass breaking? That would've been her first clue that something was amiss. 

Also she is all nervous when Kyle's dogs start barking, yet she sits outside alone when PK goes to find his phone, and dogs start barking and a siren is going off in the distance. Yet Dorit sits alone and doesn't run back inside. There is a lot of acting going on by Dorit. 

Erika is sitting around with her big panther ring on. If that was stolen when Tom confronted the burglar in her home, shouldn't the bankruptcy trustee be interested in that? 

Sutton clearly wasn't playing along with whatever Kyle was serving at their meet up. Surely it was days or maybe even weeks later. Sutton doesn't do well with pretending, and this is why Kyle and the others can play with her. 

[RHoBH in the Media]

How about the deleted scene of Erika screaming at the directors and the camera people about Garcelle asking about Tom calling her every day. That huffing and puffing in the bathroom at La Quinta was apparently after a big blow up. Let's see that deleted scene.

[S02.E09: I Was Driving Carpool!]

I appreciate Mary as a HW. She is off the wall with her demands, but she also isn't playing with these women. They disrespect her a lot. Jennie went at her for no reason and stuck her nose in Mary's google fight with Lisa. She put on a Blaccent and got in Mary's face. Not cool. Mary doesn't raise her voice, and she stands her ground. I think Whitney likely fails to respond to Mary a lot, and Mary had it. OTT response for sure but that makes her fun to watch. Come on people, Whitney Likes To Act Like A Little Girl. That baby voice and sexpot affect. Ugh.

For the cult stuff - it's going to be good to watch.

Someone on another board said Lisa looked like Carmen San Diego at the lunch.

Lisa's a good villain. Pathetically transparent but fun to watch. 

Look at Heather out there sharing all that info with the Po Po. Then wanting to give Jen a heads' up the Feds were coming. 2+2 Heather! Jen knew that's why she fled! 

Jennie and Whitney thinking they feds were strippers. Dumb and dumber.

Jennie - let's go on the trip right away and not even worry about Jen! (I need airtime that doesn't include my children!)

Lisa has good instincts for staying out of trouble, it's when she makes plans that she's a disaster.

[S11.E21: Reunion (Part 1)]

Maybe Erika is hitting menopause - it could explain the loss of collagen, the jowls and the weight gain. I also notice that she seems a little thicker in the middle in that dress. Terrible timing with all that is going on in her life. 

She can show more empathy - her world fell apart, but knowing that it was built on ill-gotten gains should, in a PR perspective, make her show a lot more remorse and humility than she has shown this season. 

Crystal not only dissed Sutton behind Sutton's back with the "I don't know her" but also at Dorit's early-season party, Crystal had a talking head about "Knowing/hearing about everyone who's anyone in BH, and she never heard of Dorit" yet Dorit doesn't worry about that dig. Crystal certainly has a thing about "never hearing about" people. There is such a double standard applied to Garcelle it's sad.

Rinna said the race thing hands down. Kyle knows she said it. Garcelle said she saw the texts. Someone on the show showed them to her. Or goodness knows, Garcelle has friends in the business who may be mutual friends with Rinna and they showed Garcelle who then told Kyle. But Kyle definitely knew this was coming.  Rinna needs to go. She brings the season down every season to meanness. Yolanda, LVP, Denise, Eden and even Kim. Rinna is incessant Dorit. 

[S11.E17: A Tale of Two Accidents]

On 9/18/2021 at 3:41 PM, amarante said:

The Wall Street law firms have a salary scale for first year associates and essentially all of the law firms pay what is called the "going rate". When I was a third year law student, the joke was - What is the going rate? The going rate means if you don't match it, we are all going to Cravath. 😂

Girardi definitely used loans from companies that specialize in funding large litigation cases. They have experts to assess the *value* of the cases. It's not really shameful per se to have loans at because class actions especially are incredibly expensive to fund since everything is contingent. 

With a standard contingent fee case, the plaintiff generally pays the costs and fees as they arise. For example, any filing fees or any experts hired. A huge expense is the cost of a deposition since you have to hire a videographer and/or a court reporter to record the deposition. And then you have to pay xeroxing and distribution for the copies that need to be sent out to the other side. When I was involved in a lawsuit as a plaintiff in a contingency fee situation, I was billed each month for the costs and fees. The only thing I didn't pay for were my attorney's billable hours which he took from the eventual settlement. 

From what I read, Girardi was actually scamming the LENDERS as he was using the same collateral to get loans from different lenders. In others words, he would borrow against the XYZ litigation from Lender A and then borrow from Lender B from the same XYZ litigation.

Just wondering who gets paid first in bankruptcy - Tom's clients who were victims or the lenders who fronted Tom money. Yikes what a mess. Why haven't criminal fraud charges been filed yet? And where's the IRS? The Guidices went down on taxes too I think? 

[S11.E17: A Tale of Two Accidents]

On 9/16/2021 at 1:34 PM, dmeets said:

 

Zero chance Kathy doesn't know who Bernie Sanders is. I'm sure she was right there with Sutton dreading the prospects of his presidency at that time the prior year. Just more of her weak attempt to play the kooky neighbor.

 

On 9/16/2021 at 3:53 PM, ichbin said:

 

As someone mentioned upthread somewhere regarding Kathy's claimed lack of knowledge regarding national politics, I don't find her dottiness, real or manufactured, to be as endearing as most based upon comments here and elsewhere. 

I agree - Kathy is playing the dimwit. She came on the show I read bc she was bored. She is shrewd - takes after her mother Big Kathy. She's the real sniper from the side with Thomasina, sitting Sutton next to Erika, bringing up "Why is not seeing color a problem" in reference to Sutton- she wasn't bringing it up out of the blue. "I never heard of Sutton." She's friends with Crystal and is backing up Crystal.

Also her nonsense about not wanting to be associated with unsavory people (like criminal Erika). She cut off Kyle for years for bringing up Kim's alcoholism. Then she cut her off bc she didn't want Kyle to out the crappy things their mother did. Her whole house is full of skeletons and it's a lot deeper than Paris' sex tape. Meanwhile, Sutton may surprise us all. https://www.instagram.com/p/CHLN7oCgHHA/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

On 9/16/2021 at 3:58 PM, Mar said:

Well now

https://www.monstersandcritics.com/tv/reality-tv/bethenny-frankel-claims-she-knew-about-tom-girardis-legal-problems-4-years-ago-warned-andy-cohen/?fbclid=IwAR19dgEtx-67qsrVhbuAG-4lonsVCfgSNRQhPA26VPpeKVSQkcRw9kFUtk4

 

 

On 9/16/2021 at 9:40 PM, Mrs peel said:

I call bulls@@t on this.  B always needs to insert herself and be the know-it-all.

let’s start with the elephant in the room — the very idea that “it was known - among the “best of the best””.  Honey, Personal injury plaintiff lawyers, no matter how much money they make (and some make mega-bucks) are NOT considered the “best of the best” in the legal community.  Folks at white shoe corporate firms likely never heard of Girardi.  Nor are the folks who are involved in “litigation funding” (loaning money to lawyers and plaintiffs on the bet that the PI case will result in a  big payoff) particularly well respected.  Those guys are sucking the life out of many people who have been injured.

and while Girardi may have borrowed money from Shields’ company, I’m pretty sure there were confidentiality clauses in those agreements , such that if he gave this information to B, he was violating a contract.  Not smart.  And $500k may be a lot to us, it’s not a lot in the realm of Girardi’s world.

And, if “everyone knew” no firm would have agreed to become co-counsel or local counsel to the firm.  I am, though, shocked to learn that  CA ethical rules do not require that an attorney who has knowledge of ethical lapses by another attorney report that attorney to the bar for disciplinary action.

Agree on a lot of points - although I wonder if some plaintiff's firms borrow to fund litigation costs. Dennis type firms charge exorbitant interest rates. Many people who are victims like Tom represented borrow against their anticipated recovery/settlement and pay these interest rates when they finally get their monies only to have interest eat into a good chunk of it. I hope none of Tom's victims borrowed against their settlements.

I do have one caveat - there are some highly respected plaintiff's firms and civil rights firms. Their attorneys attended the finest law schools, and they take on important cases including class actions. They aren't what people think of as "ambulance chasers."  White shoe firms are corporate firms and any litigation they engage in is mainly defense oriented. Ask any of them the name of a partner at Simpson Thatcher or Cravath and they won't know their names either.  They are different worlds. 

[S11.E16: Threats and Promises]

I haven't posted in forever but a couple of things:

Rinna with the fish comments at Garcelle's beautiful dinner - you all ate Caviar Pie last week at Kathy's and not a word about not eating fish. And Kyle made some burnt Salmon. You had trips to the Bahamas, Puerto Rico, Cabo and Hong Kong - all known for fish and we never heard anything about fish. Are you going to tell me she never ate sushi before. I would love for someone to find a snippet of her eating fish. This lying harpy.

Kathy Hilton sat Sutton next to Erika at the table and did the Thomasina nonsense - she's a grade A shit stirrer, she also "never heard of Sutton" doesn't think it's a big deal that Erika & Co stole millions from widows and orphans bc everyone has skeletons? She didn't talk to Kyle for 10 years for outing Kim's alcoholism on TV bc she didn't want people to know and was pissed about potentially airing Big Kathy's dirty laundry about their family. I don't see her wanting people talking about Barron being in jail. No one wants their name attached to crime - it's not just a sex tape like Paris. Wait till the tax fraud comes down.

In the after show Sutton says that Erika said something unspeakable. Later she said that Erika made threats against her and her family. Her Family. Why would any of them want to film with Erika ever? 

 

[S12.E23: Reunion Part 2]

On 9/18/2020 at 11:08 PM, Cosmocrush said:

Fair enough. 

I don't expect Luann to become an expert or even well informed on this subject. I doubt she'd ever given the issue a second thought before she got her own mug shot.   But she spent some time with people that care about this issue and learned a few things, enough to decide she would dabble in the cause, at least until she can get back to her cabaret show.  It's not like she's going to become a serious activist on the issue but I think she's doing what she can to try and do something, even if it's just a day of makeovers on her TV show - something I felt was self serving but I also saw her actively listening and that's not nothing. 

 

On 9/18/2020 at 11:36 PM, Ms Blue Jay said:

She's using her privilege for a good cause and that's an amazing thing.  She's grown so much throughout the past 12 seasons.  I really applaud her.

 

On 9/20/2020 at 1:00 AM, LibertarianSlut said:

This is true, and it makes me even a little bit more frustrated with Luann that she is talking about this publicly without having studied it.  Where does she stand on the idea that even people who are committing so-called victimless crimes are flouting the law?  As someone who has studied this in detail pointed out, Al Capone was a bootlegger, but he didn’t refrain from crime once Prohibition was repealed.  He was bribing and beating people with banjos from Alcatraz.  I actually see both sides to this part of the argument too, but it wasn’t fleshed out at all.  Andy also ought to take responsibility for getting into this really complex topic on a show that is about whether Sonja shaves her pussy and who would dive for dick for jewelry.

Let’s, for the sake of argument, take burglary out of it.  When I was in law school, I did an internship at the Miami-Dade State Attorney’s office—which, needless to say, saw A LOT of crime—the state of Florida was really cracking down on burglary of an unoccupied dwelling to the point where even the state attorneys were pondering if that sort of “non-violent” crime should be punished at the current level, so I always thought of it as a non-violent property crime, but someone pointed out upthread that the law treats burglary as a violent crime, and I looked it up, and most jurisdictions treat it as “violent.”  But my research also took me to a Kentucky law that said that possession of ammonia is “violent,” so I’m afraid I simply disagree with the law.  But, sure, for the sake of argument, I would concede that Luann wasn’t talking about burglary.  

Even if Luann was talking about kiting checks, your argument still stands, I think.  If there’s no punishment, then what does Luann think is the deterrent?  She never said.  Again, I think it’s all good with Luann until she becomes the victim.  If she had succeeded in getting Dennis to wire her the six million dollars for the home upstate, and someone hacked the system and stole the funds, would Luann think that person should get a good, stern talking to and a trip to the salon?  I don’t think the reunion is the proper forum to speak about these topics, because the medium simply does not allow for the proper amount of discussion.

I think it would have been—let’s use a word of Luann’s—classy if Andy had asked Luann the viewer question about incarceration and she just said that she has been giving it a lot of thought and it’s an important topic to her, but this isn’t the forum to discuss it, and once she’s really educated herself on the topic, she is going to put something out on her website (do people even have websites anymore or is it just Instagram?).  You know, she could have decided not to really talk about it the way she decided to not really talk about her father to Heather in season five, so I know she has it in her.  

I’ve also given more thought to the idea that Luann’s heart is in the right place, and I’m not convinced.  It’s possible her heart is In the right place, but if she didn’t give it proper thought, what does it matter if her heart is in the right place if her mind’s not?  The road to hell is paved with good intentions.  But I’m not even giving her credit for that.  I think that once you televise something for The Real Housewives of New York City (as opposed to a serious documentary), it negates the good intentions.  It’s crass to me.  I feel the same way about Bethenny going to Puerto Rico and handing out $25 gift cards and showing the people groveling toward her in front of television cameras.  It’s actually really gross to me.  Do that off camera.  Leave people a shred of dignity. 

But I don’t think Luann’s heart is in the right place with giving wigs to formerly incarcerated people any more than it’s in the right place for having a cabaret.  Both acts give her positive media attention and contribute to her brand and rebuilding her reputation that she ruined.  

Adding to that, I have no idea how getting a wig or a hairstyle for a woman who had been incarcerated helps the woman.  I see how it helps Luann, I see how it helps the salon’s reputation, but I fail to see how it helps the woman.  At least I could make a theoretical substantial connection to Luann’s charitable acts in the past to a potential positive outcome—especially when she assisted the unemployed woman in getting a job by giving the woman a mock interview.  And I still don’t think that poor woman should have been paraded before the cameras for our consumption.  

Lastly, I’m not at all sure how any of this relates to Luann’s quote unquote privilege.  I’m not even sure what that word means anymore.  I take it to mean that Luann was blessed with many gifts in life.  I’m not sure that gives her more or less of a responsibility to help people.  Call me old fashioned, but I think people should just help each other.  Lend each other a hand when times are lean and avoid broadcasting it to the world.  It’s really not much more complicated than that.  

Just talking about this gives me the chills.  This is actually darker, to me, than Leah’s bipolar disorder or who humped whom in front of 60 best girlfriends.  At least that’s a pretty fair fight, Andy Cohen’s moderating notwithstanding.  But when Luann inserts herself on behalf of people who may not even agree with her, it gets “icky” to me, to use a term from Eileen of RHBH.  

And I say that people may not agree with Luann, because before this all aired, I was just reading an article online about an Arizona prison that gave out anonymous questionnaires to prisoners who had been convicted of burglary so that they could disclose how they committed their burglaries, and not only was the article informative (there was a consensus that homes with dogs were to be avoided), but it stated that a lot of inmates wrote on their forms that they were happy to help assist in prevention, because they were cognizant that their crimes hurt people and they wanted to lessen the hurt.  The article did not note that any offenders thought that they did not deserve to be in jail, nor did it indicate that any of the convicts were reluctant to return to society without the assistance of a good salon.  

I think Luann’s always been self-centered and oblivious, like the time she took over the mic at a charity to tell everyone to hush, and then she went right back to her table and continued to talk, and this is just another example of it.  I’m not impressed at all, and I hope this topic gets put out its misery along with the rest of the season.  Now I’m going to retire from talking about it, because the more I talk about it, the more I think about it, and the more I think about it, the sadder I get for what passes as virtue these days.  

 

As for the HWs doing charity work - all of them - no matter what it is, I applaud them. It may seem half-assed to some, but at least they are doing it. Luann has been doing outreach since season one. We cringe with some of her words, but she does it (thinking of her giving tips to the girls about walking and modeling). Bethenny, as much as I can't stand her, raises a ton of money for victims of natural disasters. WTH is Dorinda doing? Nothing. I am glad Luann is raising criminal justice reform. Especially seeing that so many posters have different ideas about what issues are involved.

 

On 9/20/2020 at 9:32 AM, Keywestclubkid said:

I know you didn’t say it I am just responding to the whole conversation in general.....And I just want to clear up some confusion on this.

Rapist and Pedophiles ARE considered violent offenders...I don’t know who said they aren’t because they are and they won’t be/ aren’t released like that  

Nonviolent crimes are defined as property, drug, and public order offenses which DO NOT involve a THREAT of HARM or an actual ATTACK upon a VICTIM.. hence the non violence part ...

This is for people in jail for weed/ drug charges or prostitution or stuff like that... non violent things they have done to themselves and they arnt getting off Scott free they still have to go to court and pay fines for that law they broke and stuff they just arnt held on a outrageous bail system that would otherwise keep them locked up until that court date happened because they couldn’t afford that bail... no one is letting rapist and murders and child molesters and drug cartels go free because they all have victims and WOULD HAVE bail standards set as such ...  

To have someone sitting in jail sometimes for over a year waiting for a backed up court date for not being able to afford a bail on something like a weed possession charge (which is legal in some states) which you can get and not even have weed on you you can get the charge if there is weed residue on something...... is ridiculous ... Good for Luanne even bringing it up tho...... ok my rants over lol 

Thank you. No one is getting off. Non-violent offenders are still being charged with a crime, they just aren't sitting in jail pre-trial - which in a big city like NYC can be well over a year - look at the tragic case of Kalief Browder. The poor don't have to lose any job they may have, which would also mean that they might lose any income and then lose any housing while never having been adjudicated guilty while their counterparts with money don't have to suffer the same consequences.  They are designed to prevent a two tiered justice system where people with $ can pay bail while the poor sit in jail. 

Burglary, Rape, Murder etc - these are violent offenses. And in no-bail states- there is NO bail for these people now at all. They sit in jail pretrial even if they are innocent. So for the not guilty, no bail has some draw backs. They also may lose their jobs if they have one, which may lead to loss of housing etc. Please remember our system has a presumption of innocence, but we can't have the wealthy out on bail while the poor sits in when violence to the community is at stake. Also one other unintended effect of No Bail, some prosecutors have elevated charges from misdemeanors to felonies to elicit pleas. For example, a misdemeanor trespass- a non violent crime can be upped to a felony burglary. Sometimes against the homeless. On its face it looks like an entry into an unoccupied home - but often in an urban situation an unoccupied dwelling can be an empty building where maybe the person possesses drugs (another non-violent crime). Who wants a felony with no bail when you can plea down to a misdemeanor trespass with potentially no time? 

 

[S11.E01: Dressed to the 90210s]

I think Kenya did the Barbie Dress first a couple of season ago on Atlanta!

[Ghosts of Housewives Past: Jill Zarin, Alex, and the Rest]

WTF with those links? 

OK I still cannot get past BRYN PLAYING THE UKELELE ON A PLANE. Lord have mercy. Where is Flight Attendant Karen calling the police to haul away an unruly passenger when you need her.

[Kyle Richards: Pantene Poster Girl]

On 12/2/2019 at 3:27 AM, film noire said:

...she has, but Twitter has not forgotten Lucy -  Kyle is getting lambasted six ways to Sunday - couldn't happen to a nicer dog-dumper-defender.  

Maybe Kyle and Dorit had a falling out and this is Kyle's way to draw attention to it again. lol.

[RHoBH in the Media]

I don't think I have ever seen Kyle look so bad. Her face looks terrible - inflated and puffy. Her hair looks like a wig - so black and fake looking. She doesn't even look like Kyle anymore. Walk away from the plastic surgeon/fillers etc Kyle. I don't know who she reminds me of - a country singer? Cher? Reba McIntyre in a wig? Joyce DeWitt with long hair?  I haven't even gotten to her outfit yet.

I think Erika is wearing too dark a contouring blush. Meh on her outfit. Too Hank Williams, Jr. for me. 

[Carole Radziwill: She's a Real Princess!]

Wasn't Sonja putting her vibrators in the dishwasher?

[Bethenny Frankel: Skinny Girl]

When I look at the birthday flowers photo, her outfit reminds me a little of Elton John (just saw RocketMan)! Elton on a tame day to be sure, but it's a little costume-y. Like manufactured. Sure it's cute and all, but glasses, fur-real coat, rainbow sweater, lizard hip hugger a la Jim Morrison pants, (that bloated too thin belly), and the Birkin du jour, Do we see the shoes? Take one thing off Bethenny. She's like a big gimmick/trend here. BTW I like the flowers too. 

[Bethenny Frankel: Skinny Girl]

It was really rainy here this week. I wonder where they were? 

[Bethenny Frankel: Skinny Girl]

On 10/25/2019 at 6:03 PM, chick binewski said:

Oy. A Ramona/Bethenny contest...I find Ramona's narcissism less refined, but I also tend to give her a little leeway bc I think her split from Mario really rattled her. I believe she was silently putting up with cheating until he behaved so blatantly it became impossible, and this was not how she pictured she would enter her 60's. I believe the same about Lu - both she and Ramona completely fail any test of self-awareness so their efforts to cover up how miserable they might feel fall short. They're both extremely invested in what they perceive as their social standing and I just cannot understand any female out of high school who has patience for that crap. But I felt (up until the last couple of seasons) like somehow their substance could be resurrected.

Bethenny is obviously image-first in the way that people are who constantly tell you what they are, whether or not that narrative fits the reality. But I don't see any understanding or heartache there. I know everything we've heard, every crying jag we've seen. And I know all women express themselves differently. But I've never watched or heard Bethenny approach anything with real kindness. I don't mean being generous - I mean just stopping and not hijacking a situation as her own. I do believe Jill had a bit of motherly consideration for her friends, but what Bethenny accused her of - keeping score and not letting anything go? I believe Bethenny leads with that and that's why I find her so much harder to watch than the other two.

Sonja, as delusional as she is, may as well be on the moon at this point. 

Getting dumped at or near 60 for some/many women is devastating. Starting your life over when you planned on golden years and memories with one life mate is heartbreaking and soul crushing. Starting over? Creating a new life? It can be overwhelming. While I don't like Ramona at all (I do find her amusing on the show) I have to give her and Luann credit for picking up and moving on with a lot of dignity (well as much as these two sows can have). They don't bash their exes. They basically aren't drunken messes a la Sonja and they aren't bitter angry spiteful shrews like Bethenny. I am not saying they are good people either.

[Real Housewives in the Media]

Holla!