[S06.E12: Katoby]

3 hours ago, txhorns79 said:

Also, the problem with doing a flashforward where you establish a couple on the show is divorced and one of them is remarrying is that there is now little purpose in investing in that couple's marriage, as we now know it is going to end, and the way it ended was really predictable.  The only thing I liked was Toby telling Kate that her biggest problem with Toby was that he was not Jack Pearson.  That was a huge truth bomb and you'll notice Kate doesn't really deny it.        

See, I'm the opposite. Knowing it ended in divorce made me a lot more interested in seeing how they fell apart because if I didn't know they ended up divorced, I definitely would have assumed they worked it out some how because that's usually the nature of television.

[S06.E03: You Would Come Back Different]

This show has some audacity to introduce that Billie storyline in an episode all about how amazing and changed and brilliant Davis - a man who facilitated the gang rape of his mistress and then lied about it and paid her off - is. If this story does not lead to a very big, and very public reminder that he did far more than cheat on Charley, I'm officially done with this show.

[S05.E16: The Adirondacks]

Was definitely expecting another 2030 flash forward, not one five years into the future and on Kate's second wedding day. Count me in as surprised.

I think people scrambling to find some twisty explanation for it are wasting their times. This show doesn't really do that and we already pretty much knew Toby and Kate weren't married in 2030, given that he was alone and not wearing his wedding ring when Randall called him. At some point, their marriage falls apart (not surprising) and she gets with the Brit (which, can't believe more people have referenced his guest starring work on Modern Family and A Million Little Things, and I only saw one other person that knows him from his starring role on the excellent, You're the Worst). I will say, though, given that the most futuristic flash forwards we’ve seen so far have been about Toby and Kate’s grown up kids, I do think the show has set up a way for them to end up together still. I can totally see them revealing in the premiere that while Kate and Toby aren’t together in 2030, Kate’s marriage to Phillip is already done, and then by the finale, we find out they’re together again in the distant future, with the details left up to our imagination.

Anyways, Kevin and Madison were already pretty much just friends, she's still the mother of his children and Madison is Kate's best friend, so of course she was at Kate's wedding and friendly with him and the family in the future. I really don't see any reality where Kevin suddenly falls in love with her if he hasn't already or where she decides she doesn't deserve better after all. To me, all signs point to Kevin being married to someone else in 2030 (probably Sophie, popular choice or not), but Madison is still coming to the house to say goodbye to Rebecca with the family, and the wife is coming/somewhere there already, too.

[S05.E10: Onward]

On 4/21/2021 at 12:30 PM, byrd said:

I love Charley and Davis together. Redemption is powerful . If she can forgive him for the one thing he got wrong and hold onto all of the good things,  then I wish them well.  A beautiful family. 

He got way more than one thing wrong, and I think the woman he set up to be gang raped should have a say in his supposed redemption, but I guess that's just me.

[S05.E10: Onward]

Haven't posted all season because I haven't been enjoying it at all, but this finale... Cannot believe this show really had Charley get back with Davis after all of that, I'm so, so disappointed. The details of the first season are admittedly a bit fuzzy, but did he not at the very least help cover up a gangrape his teammates committed and he facilitated? What the hell.

Also, I don't expect much from Nova, but having her seemingly stay with Calvin after the truth of what he did came out... Whew.

[S02: Week 3: September 6, 2020-September 12, 2020]

I find Mackenzie so much more likeable about Jalen. I never hated her before, I thought she had a couple very over the top reactions, but did her best to curb them and rein herself in going forward when she realized through other people how she was acting and how Connor felt about that, since he never told her himself.  Connor has been playing mind games with her for a while now - however unintentionally - and the state of their toxic partnership is as much his fault as it is hers. With Jalen, he tells her what he's thinking so she doesn't need to get in her head about it too much, and they have fun together. Though I don't have confidence that she won't make the mistake of getting back with Connor when he comes back now that he's finally decided he maybe does want to be with her after all, and not out of obligation. That is if she even recouples with Jalen at all.

Johnny is a mess and I'm excited to see how this will play out. I want Cely to dump him and move on, but based on everything she's said, I highly doubt she will. I guess I'm just interested in seeing how honest Johnny plans on being and which of the guys will have Cely's back and be honest with her if Johnny isn't. And if Carrington brings Mercades, well... that should be fun.

Regardless of if Caleb or Justine couple up with new people out of fear the other one is, I think they'll be able to clear the air about that easily enough, so I don't expect drama from them about this.

Calvin and Moira could both go either way, but I also don't expect much drama from them either way. They were dry before and will be dry now, I'm sure.

Not sure which way Carrington will lean, but he's obviously coming back with someone. Kierstan, I'm guessing will pick a guy to couple up with to save them and to save face, but it's a question of which one. I can see her picking Aaron or Jalen, depending on what Moira and MacKenzie, assuming she picks last/after them, or has discussed what they're going to do beforehand. 

[S04.E18: Strangers: Part Two]

3 hours ago, KaveDweller said:

I thought Jack was going to say his baby was named Kate, as some kind of sign she is dead in the future. My second guess was Rebecca.  But I like Hope, naming after people is overdone.

I was definitely waiting for him to say Rebecca, but I figure since he was probably fairly young when she died, and probably not very lucid before then, that would ring kind of hallow. I don't think he had much of a relationship with her. I also thought Kate was a possibility, but I guess that might have tipped the scale in the Kate Is Dead theory too much.

3 hours ago, gonzosgirrl said:

In the cabin flash forward he tells the cops his fiancee is having morning sickness, so it's a logical assumption he's married to his kids' mother.

I do think she's the fiancee from that scene, but I think they'll have a fairly loveless engagement until they eventually decide that they don't want to get married and don't have to. I'd guess his wife in the Rebecca flash forward is someone else.

3 hours ago, MissT said:

I think In the future Kate is dead. During the flash forward from last season Toby mentioned that “Jack and Kate were on their way”. I think the adopted daughter may be named Kate as well.   

I definitely think they want us to think that, but I'm not convinced yet. If she's not dead, I'd think she's definitely not with Toby anymore. They've teased both of those possibilities with the Toby in the flash forwards.

2 hours ago, txhorns79 said:

He was Madison's OBGYN.  I'm not sure why the writers felt we needed to spend so much time with such a tangential character. 

It was a simple misdirect and way to introduce the Madison reveal. The girl might come up some other way, but I think people are overthinking it.

2 hours ago, Domenicholas said:

I did not catch that Nicky was married in the future. I hope it's not Rebecca; I can't bear to see another husband play second fiddle to the memory of Jack. It could be Cassidy because I don't think that she showed up at his trailer for nothing. She may just be a friend of the family but, as Madison shows, friends either become family or disappear.

I assume she just showed up for the same reason Sophie was briefly show, to remind people that just because Madison is Kevin's baby mama, doesn't mean that the mystery of his future wife is solved yet. There are still possibilities. Plus, it makes sense she'd still be friends with Nicky.

[S40.E03: Out for Blood]

5 hours ago, mojoween said:

Heartless assholes voted out a cancer survivor. 

So is everyone just supposed to never vote for him and let him win? What kind of logic is that?

[S04.E15: Clouds]

1 hour ago, debraran said:

I hope not. Sleeping with someone isn't loving someone. He only loved Sophie so far. Getting pregnant with a one night stand is sooooo over done and cliche. Please TIU, don't do that with Madison. (even if she has an "in" with hubby)

He loved Zoe, too? Obviously she's not a likely candidate for the fiancee/mother, but I don't think Sophie is the only woman he's been shown to love.

[S04.E13: A Hell of a Week: Part Three]

I'm a sucker for Kate and Rebecca's relationship, I've always found it to be the most interesting part of Kate's character, so I really loved this episode. They've come a long way, and it was nice to see an episode that really showcased their relationship in a completely positive light and painted Rebecca as a hero in Kate's eyes, the way we've always seen she viewed Jack. The reveal that what Toddler Kate wanted in her story was her mom was especially great.

They've done a good job of getting me invested in how things play out at the cabin. The post Jack teen years have been some of my favorite flashbacks, seeing the four of them bonding after his death, and as awful as the circumstances are here, I think it's bound to lead to some really good scenes with the family.

I hope Kevin or Randall gets at least one good punch in.

[S06.E10: Marathon]

2 hours ago, Primal Slayer said:

So....if you were part of the original E2....you are kind of just forgotten in this universe? Didnt get merged? No Prime versions running around?

Honestly, I was really confused by this. I don't watch Arrow, so I just read about E2 being destroyed by anti-matter, but when they showed that Star Girl is on E2 at the end of Crisis, I assumed that it was restored and everyone that died was brought back like Earth Prime and everywhere else. I didn't realize until now that so many people didn't come back in Oliver's new multi-verse, including Harry and Jesse.

2 hours ago, Lady Calypso said:

However...is Cisco now gone? It felt like a goodbye for the rest of the season (at least until the finale). I know I thought that Cisco was making his departure last season...but this one legit had a goodbye-for-now vibe. Not that I'd be surprised if he came back in two-three episodes...

Read a post show interview with the showrunner and he said that it wasn't a goodbye to Cisco and he won't be gone long, so maybe an episode or two tops.

[S04.E12: A Hell of a Week: Part Two]

I tend to enjoy adult Sophie and Kevin scenes/moments, despite objectively thinking Sophie deserves better than him after everything he's done to her. I don't really feel one way or another about them as kids or teens, but I really feel the easy chemistry with the adult actors that makes me kinda root for them regardless.

However, if they do end up together, I would rather her marriage run its course on its own instead of her ruining it for Kevin. I think she's likely to appear in and out as the show goes, but we probably won't see them together until the very end, if then.

I could see Madison being the one that's pregnant and he's engaged to, but not who he ends up with. I can see him trying to force something more serious with her than he really wants when he finds out she's pregnant, even though this whole episode was supposed to be about him learning not to settle.

[S04.E11: A Hell of a Week: Part One]

21 hours ago, NUguy514 said:

As far as the woman in Kevin's bed, I have no doubt that's Sophie: as was said upthread, they didn't show her face so that they could use a random extra and not have to pay Alexandra Breckenridge for appearing in this episode.

While this is possible, odds are that we'll be seeing that scene/the rest of that scene in the next episode anyways, so they could've just used footage of that in the end of this episode.

[S04.E11: A Hell of a Week: Part One]

1 hour ago, CleoCaesar said:

Teen Kate’s “Why are you mad? Did I do something wrong?” to scuzzy boyfriend Marc is subtly waving ALL the red flags for an abusive relationship. Pity we didn’t see more of that.

We will in her part of the trio of episodes though.

1 hour ago, ams1001 said:

Poor little-Randall. Is this where he first started to learn he "had" to be the perfect one?

I'm assuming that was the point of that scene, yeah. And if so, yikes. Jack really unknowingly did a number on him with that.

40 minutes ago, Jaclyn88 said:

I don’t think it was Sophie in the bed , because if it was her , they would have shown us her face . There would be no reason not to since we already know Kevin was with her for the funeral . I say it’s someone else . 

I agree. There's a chance it could be her, but the fact that they didn't show the girl's face tells me it's not, and they just want us to think it's her.

19 minutes ago, saber5055 said:

Something's wrong with Kate so EVERYONE has to be there? WTH. Randall, just drop out of college since you have to instantly be there if a Pearson stubs a toe. Girl better be on her death bed. My guess is whatever has happened will lead to some major speechifying.

I mean, odds are that her boyfriend likely hit/assaulted her, so yeah, I'd say that's a good enough reason to call her brother.

[S05.E00: Crisis On Infinite Earths Part Five]

55 minutes ago, Bulldog said:

Are we suppose to believe that Lex's transformation is sincere?  I thought his little wink at Kara during the press conference was telling us he was pulling some sort of con.  

I assume we're not supposed to think that? Lex turned himself into a paragon, so he still has all of his memories, so I assumed he woke up that morning confused, same as Kara, and is just going with it because things have turned out in his favor. Obviously we'll have to see how it goes on Supergirl, but I think he's still evil. Though he did have that brief moment of what it feels like to be a good guy in part 4, so there might be some conflict or struggle there for a bit, but I doubt it'll be anything huge.

[S08.E08: Crisis On Infinite Earths Part Four]

This hour was really confusing and felt like a way to kill time. Obviously the last fifteen or so minutes were big and important in the overall story, but the rest of it just felt like a complete time killer. Not to mention confusing.

The Ezra Miller cameo was a big surprise and I give them kudos for not only getting him, but also keeping that under wraps. If they were going to do those kinds of memory things, I think they could have had a lot more fun with it than what they ended up doing.

[S04.E10: Light and Shadows]

1 hour ago, Spartan Girl said:

I kind of feel like Kate was overreacting to Toby's confession that he was having a hard time dealing with Jack being blind. Avoiding her about it wasn't good, at least he was being honest.

It was an immediate reaction, I think she's entitled to be upset to finding out her husband has been avoiding her/their son because her just feels negative things about their new son. While I understand why it's hard for Toby, I also understand why that would be upsetting for Kate and don't blame her for being upset in the moment. I'd have to see where it goes from here to say whether it's an overreaction or not.

1 hour ago, gameshowjunkie said:

I was sure we were going to see Kevin end up with Madison in this episode.

I feel like it's been ages since Madison has been around? And the fact that she was in that scene had me thinking so too. But it might have been foreshadowing for later, since the girl this episode obviously didn't pan out and I think Sophie is gonna be a misdirect.

1 hour ago, chitowngirl said:

Didn’t see that coming with Kevin and his date! Knew he would make John Legend happen since John was in the opening credits. 
I thought that was Uncle Nicky at the end (Griffin Dunne was in the credits), but the promos suggest otherwise?!

Griffin Dunne is a series regular now, so his name is going to be in the credits for every episode, regardless of if he's in it. I'm pretty sure it's a stranger that broke in.

1 hour ago, Dreamboat Annie said:

I really like her, too, but I didn't feel any chemistry between them.

As a big One Tree Hill fan, I'm always happy to see an alum show up and I was looking forward to Sophia's appearance on the show, so I'm a bit bummed that she seems to only be in this one episode, but I agree, they felt too forced. Their banter and conversations were okay and Sophia is as pretty and charming as always, but that kiss felt so awkward, I immediately knew something was coming because of it.

[S39.E12: Just Go For It]

Going by that statement from People, about it being while getting on a boat and it being witnessed by other contestants, my guess is someone (I'm assuming a woman) on the crew was helping him up onto the boat and he decided to cop a feel under the guise of a joke or accident of some kind. What a creep.

Loved that Kellee's statement expressed disappointment in how things were handled and she didn't praise CBS or the producers for how poorly they handled it. She pretty much said what she could while still remaining in their good graces for a possible comeback.

[S06.E09: Are You the Mole?]

The possibility that Asher died from the hit Oliver gave him and the firepoker swinging is from another murder isn't completely out of the realm of possibility with this show, but the fact that a bloody fire poker was on the ground right beside Asher's dying body in the empty hallway, with no other body around is hard to explain if it wasn't used to kill him. That being said, you can't see the side wall to be able to see if there's blood on it like the close up showed the splatter going, so I don't know.

[S06.E09: Are You the Mole?]

Random, but rewatching, I paid more attention to the clips they used in Annalise's little montage at the end as she was leaving, that transitioned into the funeral, and I thought the clip selection was interesting. It was mostly big important moments: lying to Wes about Rebecca on the stairs, Wes shooting her, the fire at her house, holding premature Christopher outside the elevator, her stillborn baby, her mugshot when she was arrested for Wes' murder... The only seemingly "random" clips were dancing with Eve, kissing Bonnie and her mother doing her hair.

Not speculating about anything, just kind of loved that, as someone that has always loved her dynamics with Bonnie and Eve the most, and her mother too; it was nice seeing those two dynamics seemingly being highlighted, since not all the characters appeared.

[S06.E09: Are You the Mole?]

Just now, Milaxx said:

I think she called Frank to help her clean it up, because who else would do that no questions asked?

But he was still alive when he was on the floor outside his apartment? I can't imagine Bonnie or Frank doing that - killing him at Bonnie's place and dumping his body at his when he's not actually dead yet.

[S06.E09: Are You the Mole?]

2 minutes ago, Milaxx said:

Bonnie would kill if she thought it put Annalise at risk. Remember she killed Miller, love of her life because it put them all at risk. If she found out Asher was the mole, shed kill him in a heartbeat.

I mostly agree with this, but after everything that's happened since that went down, I can see her not being able to go through with it, and that's why she called Frank. Frank has been all about trying to make up for lying and prove his love for Bonnie, so her getting him to do it for her would fit. But, I can see Asher leaving before Frank got back, and someone else killed him outside of his apartment.

[S06.E09: Are You the Mole?]

I'm not buying Wes is alive, even though it wouldn't be completely out of nowhere, considering how much the show has used that possibility as a red herring/misdirect since it happened. But yeah, the Annalise funeral "flash forward" was suspect in the premiere and it's still suspect now, so him showing up in that is very questionable and there could be a million other explanations - it's Annalise's imagination, it's the future and he's really Christopher, and a bunch of other things.

Asher being the informant made sense to me and was fine by me too. I never really warmed to him, and I was hoping it would actually be someone important/close to the group. Not sure who killed him; they certainly want us to think Bonnie or Frank, but the fact that he ended up outside his door makes me think not so much. I can't imagine why either of them would kill him outside of his apartment or even leave him there alive if they killed him elsewhere and dumped the body like that.

Kinda wish it was Nate though, he is just so awful. So glad I don't have to worry about Annalise ending up with him though, they surely put a nail in the coffin of that relationship tonight. Hopefully he dies by the end of the series though.

Curious where Annalise stopped on her way out of town or who she went to see. I'm guessing she went to talk to someone but she could have just called them so I don't know.

[S06.E09: Are You the Mole?]

5 minutes ago, nilyank said:

Asher is wrong. It's not Annalise that set up all the madness of the past 6 season. It was stupid Wes who started the murder game when he killed Sam.

And if Wes did not die, Asher's death had better have been faked too.

No, once again, it was Sam who started it by having the affair and having Frank kill Lila. Though the real beginning is Frank causing the accident that killed Annalise's son, since had he not done that, he wouldn't have been indebted to Sam, and wouldn't have killed Lila

[S04.E09: So Long, Marianne]

9 hours ago, Blakeston said:

I think they're revealing that Toby is oversharing with his Crossfit buddies, and also teasing viewers with the prospect of a sexual affair that isn't happening. I think it's very intentional that the text was from someone with "Lady" in their name, who said that she would be there for him - as opposed to "we're here for you."

Those details will make Kate a lot more insecure than if she had just seen Toby's text.

She could very well start to think that, especially given the insecurities she was already feeling about her body and Toby's attraction to her, but I don't think that's where her mind went last night.

1 hour ago, ItCouldBeWorse said:

I'm glad she's happy,  but nowadays,  a girl saying someone like Zendaya, or Gaga, or Rihanna is her celebrity crush would probably not make other teens assume she is gay. Girls are "allowed" to have crushes on female celebrities,  especially ones who are generally considered to be good looking in a "femine" way, or exceedingly talented. If she had said her crush was a more androgynous appearing

female celebrity, or perhaps a gay or bisexual female celebrity,  then people might think differently. 

I also think that although times are changing, if a guy picked Harry Styles or a Jonas brother as his celebrity crush, other teens might assume he was gay. Maybe not so much if he picked a (straight) sports star, because that could be seen as idolizing more than as crushing.  Anyway, I think girls have more freedom in this area.

I don't entirely disagree, but for someone struggling with coming out, that's not something they'd view as casual, it's something they'd struggle with because of that fear of how it would be viewed.

But on the other hand, it's not necessarily a freedom, it can be curse too, as a lot of gay/bi girls' sexualities or relationships are waved away as girl crushes or gal pals. 

Either way, I'm not surprised her classmates to that as coming out, considering how serious the other people were taking the meme and if nobody else was posting female celebrity crushes, etc.