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Not quite. Klaus isn't going to see his child grow up if he doesn't protect her. Killing off people who have been charged with her protection is counterproductive to the action of safely raising up Hope. Klaus has also not exactly exhibited a true investment in Hope. We 'know' he loves her because he says he does, but his actions suggest otherwise. I'm not saying he needs to awkwardly carry her around in order for us to see that he loves her. I'm saying that he needs to act as though Hope is merely a tool for Klaus, whether she's an excuse he uses to commit more cruelties or a tool he uses to acquire greater power. In the past few weeks, they've watched Klaus turn their mother into a vampire (though, tbf, that was totally justified), murder his biological father, murder his other father, say he will murder Hayley's husband, admit to murdering one of Hope's bodyguards, refused to work with the one powerful witch they have and then refuse to share an alternative plan. I mean, of course we think Klaus cares for Hope because he tells us and he's supposed to because he's her father. But ffs, this dude had a father who spent a thousand years hunting him. What does Klaus now of parental love?

Added all up, I think they had very logical reasons for removing Klaus from the equation because the information they had suggested that his trustworthiness when it came to the safety and welfare of Hope was too questionable to chance. It turns out that the plot demanded they be wrong as Klaus apparently had some mysterious superior plan that happened to work out perfectly when he was unexpectedly daggered and I suppose will eventually result in Klaus sacrificing his very life because he loves his property, I mean his daughter so much. But without this plot contrivance, there was good reason for Klaus to be daggered. The safety and welfare of a child outweighs the emo sadness of a parent.

Elijah slaughtered the whole diner for God's sake. Was Klaus supposed to dagger him too, because he was unstable to be around Hope. And when Eva Sinclair was in charge of Rebekah's body was he supposed to destroy the body?? " Find her but don't kill her the non-psychopathic parts are still my sister". He knew his siblings cared about Hope Or do u think Freya who helped Finn to find Hope in a first place , safer to trust. I understand that Klaus might be a terrible Terrible person, but the fact that he agreed to send her away when the baby's life was in danger proves that he doesn't see her as property. Plus he never tried to kill the mother , even in last night's episode proves how much he cares for that child.

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Then don't you agree that Klaus had every reason to be mad last night's episode??? Elijah put his daughter's life in danger by letting Hayley run with Hope because Dahlia would have found them anyway???

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You need to look up thread and read what the mod posted. You also need to understand that this is a message board not a fan board and people are entitled to think what they want with respect to characters. There is no compulsion here.

With all respect I am asking you why do you blame Klaus in NB Kol's death. And if we have been watching the same show I just didn't see it. And I am not a fan girl I just think sometimes, in certain circumstances cruelty gets things done. Again what's better to be feared or loved? In Klaus' case he needed to make his enemies fear him, crush them so théy wouldn't come after him.

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I don't care about Hope. Babies ruin Supernatural shows. All I cared about was Elijah, Gia, Rebekah and NB's Kol.

The first one is doomed to a lonely life of misery due to his asshole brother, the second is dead due to Elijah's asshole brother, the third is recurring and also doomed to a lonely life of misery due to her asshole brother and the last is also dead because his asshole brother was too busy playing footsie with Caroline to bother protecting him.

I also thought this stupid show would bring growth for Klaus but he is the same tantrum throwing, snivelling, pathetic, solipsistic, megalomaniacal douchebag he always has been.

They should have killed Klaus off Season 3 TVD IMO and made DG's Elijah the centrepiece of the show, they could have avoided this whole boot-quaking Freya and Dahlia bit and made Klaus the Dahlia, this is where Plec let's her fangirl feelings take precedence over the show and probably why the ratings are shit.

It just isn't feasible to centre an entire show around a character with zero nuance or likeable qualities. JM tries his best with this dreck but the writing just doesn't support him and I'm not going to excuse a sociopath just because he has pretty eyes. Oh where is Dean Winchester when you need him?

Once again are you sure you have been watching vampire diaries???? Klaus was the only one who went to Elena's house to save Kol, the only one who actually mourned him and try to avenge him, it literally took Rebakah 2 seconds to get over it and be friends with Salvatores and Elijah was feeling sorry for Elena's loss. Can you please stop blaming Klaus for everything that happens. Elijah had freedom to go wherever he wants throughout the history , Klaus never forced him to stay, he knew that Klaus was monster, he chose to stick by him, if you ask me i think Elijah preferred having a purpose, being a noble one, tortured by evil monster, whilst hiding behind red door, he killed tatia too don't forget the woman klaus loved. And whether u like it or not 80% of the audience are Klaus fans, that's why Klaus centered episodes have higher ratings, hell we have originals mainly because his character was so popular on tvd

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Everyone is just too mad, because Klaus outsmarted every single one of them , which exactly proves my point that he is waaaay smarter than his siblings. Can we just look at a bigger picture for a second??? Let's say Klaus stay daggered. They go through with a plan, Dahlia realizes it is a fake baby, but she is still immortal , because of freya's blood, kills them all within a second, finds Hayley, which would not be that difficult, kills her , Jackson and the whole wolf pack and disappears with baby Hope. Do u really think that Klaus after realising what could have happened to all of them, and especially Hope, has he not been undaggered by Dahlia could be calm and risk anything. Dahlia is extremely calculative and smart she had to believe that Klaus is on her side , she obviously heard of his cruelty towards his enemies and Klaus by doing what he did ,distracted her attention from actually killing the ones he cared about , even hayley, because dahlia was determined to kill her , death is iireversible , curse is. Or would you have preferred Elijah realising that because of his stupidity he notnonly lost his niece but also the woman he actually loved, knowing his guilt , i doubt he would have survived , because that would have been solely on him. What would you have Klaus do??? After they chose to take him outmbefore the battle, Elijah didn't undagger him , even after finding out that he didn't kill Aiden and that he was right by not trusting Freya because she wanted to use Hope as bait.. He made his choice, he risked Hope's life , why is Klaus is the one to blame again?? Did we all care so much about Gia??? really doubtful.

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So, he spent 1000 years torturing his siblings and just generally treating them badly so that he could make it 'look convincing' when it involved the life of a child he never thought he'd have?  Seriously?  Look, even if you made any sense at all, it doesn't change the fact that Klaus actually did these things.  Regardless of the reasons he had this time, he still used torture.  And let's be real, he protects his siblings because he acts as though he has ownership over them.  He wants to be the one who controls when they are tortured and when they are killed.  

 

And not to point out the obvious, but it doens't make Klaus a noble dreamboat when he's willing to murder the entire world just so his siblings can stay around (siblings he loves to torture, mind).  

 

Please stop with this hate towards Klaus.  He doesn't need to be rewritten in order for you to cherish the hour we get to spend with him each weeks.  He just wants to be accepted as he is.  HE JUST WANTS TO BE LOVED FOR WHO HE IS!!!!

Would you prefer Dahlia to kill them all and take the child? And Klaus needs to be the monster, to get things done and destrpy his enemies, Machiavelli, anyone?? Cesare Borgia could slit people's throat at a dinner table. When you are that powerful and have so many enemies , you have no other choice but to be ruthless. Klaus has always been surrounded by enemies, hell his father hunted him down for centuries , he had to learn not to care , in order to not to get hurt. Yes he is the monster, but that's what saved him and his family for 1000 years. Even Elijah admitted that, when he said that he always secretly admired his methods of manipulation. And that is his tragedy , being always the bastard , evil, manipulative, cruel , ruthless, because you have no other choice , because once you let your guard down your father will find you and destroy everything you hold dear. Speaking of which because of Rebekah Klaus had to watch his lover burn when Mikael came to New Orleans. Would you prefer Klaus act all nice and be merciful and get them all killed by Dahlia??

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Did you even watch this episode?  Klaus stuck the torture blade into Elijiah.  And that was after he forced Elijiah to watch his lover burn herself to death.  He also tortured Marcel so that he could compel him to do things to Rebekah against his will.  Speaking of Rebekah, he put her in a situation where she may neeed to return to a body she no longer wants.  Oh, and of course, Klaus had no idea that Bex was no longer connected to 18 other children so that would have been 18 more dead bodies on his hands, on top of all the dead random bodies he dropped because he was thirsty.  

 

No one is hating on Klaus.  Pointing out what he does and what sort of person is just being honest.  Being honest is not an indication of hate.  Klaus is a villain.  A juicy lovely villain, one we all love to watch, but a villain nonetheless.  This isn't about character hate, it's about character love.  We accept Klaus as he is.  Perhaps you should, too.

He HAD to make it look convincing!!! Otherwise Dahlia wouldn't believe that he was on her side and kill them all. She had to think he was really angry and hated them, and yes Klaus doesn't care about many people , but the ones he care about he will protect no matter what it cost to the rest . And yes, he is the a monster, but his siblings are not innocent either,

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I just asked Narducci on twitter and he said that i was correct, so Klaus did save his siblings , even though Gia part was sad

Not even once I have seen him torturing them this season, he stood by them , saved them and was overall not a terrible brother. And once again it was their choice to dagger him in crucial moment, when his daughter's life was in danger which would eventually get them killed anyways. So can we all please stop with all this hate towards Klaus.

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I just asked Narducci on twitter and he said that i was correct, so Klaus did save his siblings , even though Gia part was sad

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I'm going to assume this is a joke since you can't "make believe" kill someone, "make believe" torturing is also impossible.

By sticking papa tunde's blad into elijah and leaving rebekah with marcel he saved their lives, isn't that obvious, he made believe that it was his punishment since dahlia would have ended them in a second, considering the fact that their plan didn't work since, like dahlia said the blood of a witch she loved the most wasn't freya's , i have to guess ester was the one, but she is dead. so if klaus stayed daggered , and they went through with their plan dahlia would just ended them. I agree killing Gia was a little bit cruel and tad unnessesary,but if my brother put my daughter's life in danger by daggering me, and letting mother , who had no chance against dahlia to run with the baby i would wanna teach him a lesson too, i mean if i was klaus. And he told Cami to pull the blade put, didn't he, and he didn't kill hayley and jackson, who btw would get killed by dahlia in a second too, the curse can be reversed, death can not, by doing that he saved them too

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So Plec did kill Gia. Of course she did, she's a minority character that people enjoyed. Well at least I won't have to check in on this fakakta show again and I guess they killed the very talented actress playing Rebekah as well? Didn't they just murder a gay character (of which they had only two) last week? Wow trifecta of biases. Awesome.

And talentless Hayley and boring Cami live another day. The Milquetoast world according to Plec, the very epitome of an unimaginative hack.

Post script: Klaus is a stupid little bitch. Boohoo I was asleep for a week, you put your family to sleep for CENTURIES. The "character" and I use that term loosely, is irredeemable, the vampire version of Stephen Harper. As The Judge would say: "There's no humanity in him.

Did u even watch the show? He had to make believe he was really pissed at his siblings. And what exactly would they all have done without Klaus since Freya 's blood wasn't key ingredient, since she is not the witch dahlia loved most. and if klaus stayed daggered dahlia would just kill them . which proves exactly my point that without Klaus his siblings would have never survived for 1000 years, they are simply not smart enough, which doesn't justify his cruelty towards them, but heck, i would rather be daggered than permanently dead .

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Well, I believe their reasoning for this particular daggering was the fact that Klaus was running all over NO like a hotheaded psycho, claiming that he had a plan to bring down their enemy without bothering to explain any part of said plan to the people who were supposed to just fall in line because he snapped his fingers and cried about how they all see him as the villain. In other words, he was a tad unstable and they were worried what he might do if left to his own devices.

he never said they were supposed to just fall in line. he gave elijah choice, he said that he would tell him the plan if he forsaked freya. it was elijah who trusted sister, who they just met after she spent 1000 years with dahlia. and btw wasn't it freya who led finn to that house with hope where finn almost killed her

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I'm pretty sure that Klaus will never be done daggering his siblings. He's just taking a short break right now because Finn and Kol are dead and Rebekah is in a witch's body, but never fear, he will dagger a sibling again sooner or later.

what has he done towards them this season that they have to dagger him????

[Klaus Mikaelson: Original Hybrid, Terrible Brother]

I do want to address monica1992's posts about Klaus vs his siblings.

 

I think that each and every single Mikaelson (and vampire...and some werewolves...and some witches....and some humans....) are monsters and although can be sympathetic to some degree, aren't really redeemable at this point and they probably should be put down at one point or another. Klaus just happens to be one of the more vocal monsters in the family because he wants to be. If he didn't want to be the monster, all he has to do is, you know, not do bad things. He's lived a thousand years at this point. It's ok to change, evolve and GROW from your shitty, abusive past. I know none of them really and truly have. Elijah hides behind his red door of doom (but is just all around a badass and tries to keep the peace and nobility). Rebekah's trying to run from her family and would easily turn against them. Hell, even look at Kol and his psychopathic ways.

 

I enjoy Klaus very much when he's not being an inconsiderate dickhead with an ego complex and when he's not abusing his siblings, like daggering, stabbing, biting or killing their significant others. He's enjoyable as a badass monster, but the reason why it does fall short is his abuse toward his siblings. And yes, it is very much abuse for what he does. Just because he can't kill them, it doesn't mean it's not right. His siblings may have tried to kill him, and hey I'm not condoning Rebekah's major mistake with Mikael or whatnot. I'm just saying....Klaus? He's abusive. He's abusive like Mikael and he needs to stop with that. It's been a thousand years, man. Try a new trick like...*gasp* being nice! I know, a strange concept. But it works! 

 

And I think that is what surprises me. He hasn't grown much over a thousand years. I liked Elijah's first introduction because he felt like a vampire who has lived a thousand years. Now, maybe not so much, but Daniel Gillies carries a different vibe that seems to indicate Elijah's age. Rebekah and Klaus both act like children. Yes, they were turned as young adults, but....a thousand years should have them make progress. 

 

That's why I feel certain writers capture the right essence about Klaus, and others fall back to TVD season 2/3 Klaus, whom I hated. It feels easy to just write him as a murderous evil villain. It becomes complex when he doesn't harm his siblings and is actually smart.

I am gonna have to disagree. I know he can be dick sometimes, actually most of the times, but he loves elijah and rebecca in his own twisted way. His siblings turn on each other really quick and with mikael being after klaus for almost thousand years who could guarantee that becca , elijah or kol couldn't be persuaded to help mikael to take klaus down. Look, i am not in denial i know he is a monster, but we are not talking about regular family here. After hope was born, klaus really hasn't done anything terrible to them. He saved Elijah from Ester, found the right words to bring him back after the red door īncident, offered himself instead of rebekah, when ester wanted to stake her body,allowed freya into his mind to save her, fully trusted elijah with hope , even though he wasnt fully there, forgave him for tatia's murder, not even once mentioned it since, was there for kol when he was dying. but they still turned on him. and for what??? because he was the only one thinking rationally about not trusting freya, he agreed to share his plan with elijah if freya wasn't involved. It didnt take much persuasion for them that to decide that klaus shouldn't be involved in his daughter's life. HIS daughter, when he fought for her safety since that day she was born and was willing to risk his life. and what makes hayley a better parent? the fact that she pretended to be friends with 12 kids just to lead them to horrible death??

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Klaus's modus operandi is "do as I say, not as I do," which is the very definition of a hypocrite. He is allowed to dagger his siblings but they aren't allowed to dagger him. He is allowed to do whatever he wants but he expects everyone to do his bidding. And keep in mind that in this episode, he told Dahlia that no matter how sad her sob story/past was, it didn't excuse her behavior - this coming from the same person who uses his "Mikael didn't love me! Esther lied to me about my parentage and kept me from my real father!" excuse to justify a good deal of his behavior.

 

I won't get into his ruthlessness and cruelty towards his enemies, but how often is that same ruthlessness and cruelty directed towards his siblings? He daggered Rebekah for 52 years just for falling in love with Marcel. After he finally undaggered her, she got less than 40 years of living before she fell in love with Stefan and then Klaus daggered her AGAIN, this time for 90 years. In the past 179 years, she has spent 142 of them daggered in a box because Klaus didn't want her to have a boyfriend. He also killed her boyfriend Emil in the 20s just because. All of that is way beyond overprotective. That's being an abusive control freak who won't allow his sister to love anyone else (never mind the fact that Klaus is allowed to screw around with whoever he wants because again, he's a hypocrite).

 

Just because he admits he is a monster or doesn't deny that he's a monster doesn't make it okay. He is emotionally manipulative and abusive, but telling his siblings, "Of course I'm a dick," doesn't excuse actually being a dick. It just means he is aware that he is a dick but makes no effort to stop being a dick.

 

As for Klaus being the reason the family has survived so long, several times he has been the one on a murderous rampage which draws attention to their family, allowing Mikael or their other enemies to find him. If he would stop killing massive amounts of people just for funsies, then he wouldn't need all of these overly complicated plans to keep his family safe.

Oh come on, rebecca falls in love with every guy, it is not like he killed the only guy she actually loved. He was ok with alexander,even dined with him, until they all got daggered because of rebecca's stupidity and he had to suffer hunter's curse for 52 years. And he gave marcel a chance to prove his love for his sister. he could have chosen to be with her instead of being a vampire, he could have chosen to run with them when mikael came, he could have chosen to leave with her when klaus were after them. not even once he chose her over something, so i guess klaus wasn't that wrong when he didn't let them to be together.He was ok with stefan until she chose the guy who didn't care about her over klaus, plus stefan would attract too much attentiom to them anyways and get her killed by mikael. and do u think if his siblings had a dagger that would work on him they wouldn't use it on him. rebekah didnt need many reasons to turn against her brother, summon mikael, use marcel's army , ally with davina. the same thing with elijah , at least klaus never tried to actually kill him. And yes, klaus talks about his terrible childhood, but never with his victims, as far as i remember, only with his family, especially ester and mikael.I dont remember klaus explaining to people, he is trying to kill, that he is doing that, because his daddy was cruel. dahlia was trying to steal his baby. he didn't need to see sad stories from her past. my point is that they all are killers, even hayley who lead 12 hybrids, supposedly her friends to death, they all did terrible things, but for some reason klaus is always the monster. and look as soon as they had that dagger they used it on klaus, even though he was the only one thinking rationally about not trusting freya.

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But Klaus hasn't been either of those to Hope, maybe a little distant. Last I checked Hayley was just as willing to lie, murder, and betray to get what she wants (there's about 11 shallow wolf graves in Mystic Falls to prove that). If this was about the best parent for Hope she would've left her with Rebekah. Hayley doesn't even have real issues with Klaus, she has them with his enemies, which will still be there. This isn't some great selfless thing she's doing, by deciding she doesn't want to deal with her baby daddy anymore. Also she's not protecting Hope The Mikaelsons but I'm sure her tissue paper wolf army will protect Hope.

amen, finally someone said that. what did he do so bad this season that everyone is so against him and call himabusive. all i have seen so far is the guy who is hell bent on saving his baby , saves his brother, forgives him for killing the love of his life, opens his mind to an enemy to save his sister, offers himself to his mother instead of rebekah to save her, stands by kol when he dies, actually calls him family, offers jackson to come live with him , despite his fear of his daughter calling someone else father, hwlping hayley to overcome her issues with her pack , trusting elijah with his daughter's life, despite the fact that he is not quite himself. have we all been watching the same show. yes, he has anger issues, but his family, aka elijah and rebekah chose to stand by him and believe in him, and his redemtion, as far as i remember noone forsed them to. and now they think he is too evil to raise his own child? thats why i will always defend klaus. and btw, phoebe is a terrible actress, very beutiful yes, but sometimes her scenes are just too painful to watch

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Oh, Hayley. I don't mind if you choose Jackson and the crezzent woofs as your family. But could you maybe not start making out with him in front of Aiden's dead body while the rest of the pack is waiting for the funeral to begin?

 

While I understand that Jackson wants to know where her loyalties lie because the wolves are in conflict with the vampires, it's still messed up for her husband to ask her to choose between her new family and her old family (and I am saying that based on seeing it happen to people in real life).

 

But realistically, everything that Hayley said in her message to Elijah is true. Hope is better off with a stable loving father like Jackson who will not put ridiculous expectations on her, treat her like a slave, punish her for the slightest offenses, lecture her about how the entire world is against her/him/them, or think nothing of performing random acts of violence in front of her. We have also seen that Klaus is so afraid of being a bad father that he barely lets himself near Hope. If he keeps that up, she will resent him for being around but not really being there. Jackson, on the other hand, has already been shown to be actively taking on a paternal role with Hope by holding her, changing her diapers, etc.

 

Davina has been doing her own thing without a coven all season so it will be interesting to see her relationship with the Mikaelsons change one she becomes HWIC. Klaus will expect her to do his bidding but she is going to have so much power that she can just give him one of those awesome witchy vampire headaches and tell him to GTFO. I was so sad when Klaus pulled that dagger out of his chest because Davina and Kol worked so hard to make it!

 

Poor Josh. My heart just broke for him all over again during his scene with Marcel and again during the funeral.

 

I laughed and laughed when Dahlia said that what she and Klaus have in common is that their families have made them out to be the villains. Um, no. Klaus has made himself the villain by being a tyrranical bully who daggers his siblings at the drop of a hat. But way to feed his ego and get him on your side, Dahlia!

 

Interesting that Dahlia claims Freya was out of control with her magic and Vincent wants to give up doing magic altogether because it's too dangerous. Hopefully it doesn't become too dangerous for Davina once she's in charge. But please no "magic is crack" Willow storyline for Davina please!

 

Although Jackson definitely has Elijah's number re: Hayley, it's interesting that he finally decided to bring it up tonight.

 

When Dahlia said that she has to help Hope because she will have magic plus Klaus's vampire and hybrid traits, I thought what about his homicidal megalomaniac traits? I think those are even worse than his vampire or hybrid traits! If she gets his temper, his paranoia, and his sense of entitlement PLUS magic, she will be burning cities to the ground because the waitress brought her a cheeseburger that wasn't to her liking.

 

In that last scene, I could see Klaus beginning to get himself all worked up in a lather about how Hayley and his siblings have betrayed him. He is such a hypocrite and refuses to see that EVERYONE is doing what they think is best for Hope. Only he is allowed to make those decisions though, damn it! When other people make decisions, he only views it as flagrantly defying him. More eyerolls.

dont u thnk it is kind of selfish to take the baby away from people who fought for her from the begining, put their lives at stake and really cared about her, and lets not forget about the wolves who had no problem allying with esther for moonlight rings. and klaus has never been a hypocrite. bad guy , yes, the one who did all the dirty work in order to keep his family safe, yes, overprotective and posessive, yes, but he never even once denied being a monster. dont forget original family is not a regu'ar family, people were after them, and only klaus' ruthlesness and cruelty towards his enemies were the only reason they survived for so long. lets just agree that his siblings are not very bright. rebecca almost got them killed multiple times, for guys who never cared about her, elijah got daggered without klaus and kol and finn got themselves killed, if u look at it this way i think klaus' methods were the best way to keep his family alive. and yes elijah was always perfectly fine with klaus daggering his siblings, helped him even, but klaus dont call himself a noble one. the whole family is screwed i dont know why klaus gets all the blame for it. and yes, they have no right to deny him that baby, since elijah was the one who drag him into that, and yes, after talking about his redemption all season, after the fact that klaus did all he could to get his siblings out of trouble, especially for rebecca and now they perfectly fine with daggering him even though he will never see his daughter to grow up???

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I didn't say anything about Elijah being better.  I just think it makes zero sense for you to be arguing as though Klaus is some noble creature.  He's not.  None of them really are.  We're all essentially rooting for murdering villains, and that's what makes it so yummy.

i never actually called klaus noble. honest, yes

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Well, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree, because I have more sympathy for Elijah and Rebekah than I do for Klaus. I can admit Elijah is incredibly stupid in sticking by Klaus and allowing him to perform these acts, and I dislike this side of him. That's why I'm happy that he daggered him, because Klaus deserves it. There is no sympathy on my end. He reaps what he sows. What were they supposed to do? Let Klaus act out his plan that nobody knows a thing about? If he had told them his plan, then MAYBE he wouldn't have been stupidly daggered. That is not rational in any way whatsoever, to not tell his own brother about his plan. He knows Elijah would stick by him, but he's also always been about family, and that includes Freya.

 

The sad thing is that he has tried to kill them, or at least threatened it. Besides, they didn't really know about the White Oak Stake until a few years ago, so all Klaus could do was dagger them. Well, at the very least, he thought Mikael had the only stake to kill them. And he has betrayed his siblings...multiple times, actually, just like they have with him. I don't trust Freya either, believe me. I think she's up to her own games and is going to do something really, really shady and stupid so I don't blame Klaus for not trusting her. However, if he has a plan, he needed to share it way before Elijah got that dagger to put him down. And just like it will be everyone else's faults if Hope is taken, it'll be equally Klaus' fault for getting her taken because of his paranoia, stupidity and manipulative ass.

tell me what makes elijah better? he hold kol every time klaus daggered him,he said nothing when klaus daggered rebekah? he calls himself noble, but what actually makes him noble. he is perfectly fine with klaus doing bad things as long as he gets things done and elijah doesnt have a hand in it. so klaus is monster in everyone else's eyes and elijah is a good brother. he killed tatia and let everybody think it was her. klaus told elijah that he will tell him his plan if he forsakes freya because klaus doesnt trust her and he has every reason not to. and elijah is dumb enough to let hayley run, knowing that wolves are nothing against dahlia. and like klaus said itvis his child, letting the mother run with hope, without his approval is wrong. and isnt elijah the one who yearns for his redmption but when it comes to hayley accusing klaus, he will always believe her before nicklaus. rebekah is so stupid, i still remember dumb expression on her face when she took a fake cure, in front pf salvatores, knowing that they will killnher as soon as cure works.and when she realised that vampire army is nothing against klaus.

klaus might be ruthless towards his enemies, but like machiavelli said:men must either be cajoled or crushed;for they will revenge themselves for slight wrongs, while for grave ones they cannot. the injury therefore that you do to a man should be such that you need not fear revenge.

and btw he never actually tried to stale his siblings. kol did try to stake rebekah, and klaus stopped him. and when kol got killed klaus was actually the only one mourning him. so yeah everybody tries to paint klaus as the bad guyb, but if you actually analise his siblings actions you will realise that they are no better. plus without klaus they will get killed long time ago

[S02.E19: When the Levee Breaks]

Oh geez.  Klaus is a murdering asshole with a severe control problem.  Accept it.

 

But about the bayou, I keep thinking I might have missed something because it's completely illogical.  Unless there is some sort of magical barrier in the bayou that we haven't heard about, it makes no sense for the wolves to take off because witches can always find people.

and which of them is not?what makes elijah better? he is killer too. at least klaus doesnt pretend to be something he is not

[S02.E19: When the Levee Breaks]

Actually, Elijah has been daggered by Klaus. More than once, actually. IIRC, the most recent time was early last season, when Elijah wasn't cooperating with Klaus, so yeah he has every right to get revenge. And I think Elijah did that so that his brother wouldn't become this uber powerful werewolf. He knows how his brother can be. Ok, maybe not back when Mikael helped to stop him, but he was still a young man back then with little knowledge about things, especially the supernatural. He told Katherine so Klaus couldn't break his curse and that she may live. And it's not just the daggering. It's the constant abuse, manipulation and deception with Klaus. He's not a good guy. Granted, neither are his siblings, but he's more so dangerous because he does whatever he wants and nobody can really do much but bat an eye at him. 

 

Even though Klaus occasionally does good things, it doesn't mean that he hasn't done way more terrible things. Rebekah has been the most abused out of them all. Not only has Klaus kept killing her boyfriends, but he makes sure that she doesn't leave his side and when she tries, he daggers her. He turned Marcel because he didn't want him and Rebekah together. He kept her daggered for fifty years to ensure that. Again, just because he hasn't done something wrong now doesn't mean that he wouldn't have done it anyway. They have every reason to believe that he would do it and he never denied it. This family is incredibly dysfunctional anyway. They are all terrible people and have done terrible things. They may all stick together for the most part, but it doesn't mean that they have a healthy relationship. Here's the thing; Klaus makes himself the bad guy. He doesn't need to be, but he is. He expects it from himself. Should he go to therapy? Sure, but it won't help him. All of them are too far gone to be truly redeemable, but Klaus could be nicer. We know he can be a nicer guy, but he likes being the villain and he likes harming and killing people. He enjoys using his siblings for his own gain and he seemingly doesn't trust them, so they shouldn't trust him either. Like Elijah said, trust goes both ways and they can't work together if he's going to be a paranoid jackass. That's on him.

 

So, should he have been daggered at their most crucial moment? No, they definitely need him. But he's too paranoid to work with him as he would just throw all plans off just because he cannot tell them what he has planned, and it's been a long time coming for all of them. He does these nice things for his own gain, not because he cares about his siblings. He is 100% selfish and rarely does things that don't benefit him. Trust me, I've grown to like Klaus on the show, but then there's episodes like this that turn him back to the guy I met on The Vampire Diaries, and not the more fun version, that make me remember why I detested him so much and never wanted him on his own show. 

 

 

elijah has never been daggered before he tried kill klaus. after that yes, but before he was actually the one helping klaus to dagger kol and was perfectly ok woth him daggering rebekah. and then he decides to kill him for that.and rebekah is just plain dumb. i am sorry but i have never had empathy. and sometimes her love affairs can be dangerous.alexander is perfect example. and he actually did let marcel to be with her , he gave him a choice, if marcel really loved rebekah he would have never let klaus to dagger her, which is exactly klaus' point. didnt he choose to stay in nola after michael burnt the city , instead of being with his true love ? that is the thing with klaus he is far smarter than his siblings and he sees things for what they are. yes, most of the time it is also fear that they will  love someone more than and betray him, but isnt that what they constantly do? and in tonight's episode. klaus explained to elijah why he doesnt trust freya. wasnt she the one who helped the finn to find hope in the first place. freya has no love towards that child, she doesnt have 1000 years history with that charming bastard klaus, so nobody knows where her loyalties lies. and if dahlia offered her freedom in exchange for hope , do you really think she would think twice ? actually, klaus is the one being rational here.and what elijah does? believes everyone except klaus, and helps those idiots hay,ey and jackson to escape. again what right does he have to let anyone, even the woman he is in love with to escape with klaus' baby. and yes, klaus has done terrible things throughout his life, but when you are immortal vampire with thousand enemies you need to make people to fear you. the original family would have never survived 1000 years if people were not afraid of klaus, even elijah admitted that klaus' fierceness is the main reason the put down all their enemies , including michael. so yeah, he is the bad guy, but he never betrayed his siblings and tried to kill them 

elijah has never been daggered before he tried kill klaus. after that yes, but before he was actually the one helping klaus to dagger kol and was perfectly ok woth him daggering rebekah. and then he decides to kill him for that.and rebekah is just plain dumb. i am sorry but i have never had empathy. and sometimes her love affairs can be dangerous.alexander is perfect example. and he actually did let marcel to be with her , he gave him a choice, if marcel really loved rebekah he would have never let klaus to dagger her, which is exactly klaus' point. didnt he choose to stay in nola after michael burnt the city , instead of being with his true love ? that is the thing with klaus he is far smarter than his siblings and he sees things for what they are. yes, most of the time it is also fear that they will  love someone more than and betray him, but isnt that what they constantly do? and in tonight's episode. klaus explained to elijah why he doesnt trust freya. wasnt she the one who helped the finn to find hope in the first place. freya has no love towards that child, she doesnt have 1000 years history with that charming bastard klaus, so nobody knows where her loyalties lies. and if dahlia offered her freedom in exchange for hope , do you really think she would think twice ? actually, klaus is the one being rational here.and what elijah does? believes everyone except klaus, and helps those idiots hay,ey and jackson to escape. again what right does he have to let anyone, even the woman he is in love with to escape with klaus' baby. and yes, klaus has done terrible things throughout his life, but when you are immortal vampire with thousand enemies you need to make people to fear you. the original family would have never survived 1000 years if people were not afraid of klaus, even elijah admitted that klaus' fierceness is the main reason the put down all their enemies , including michael. so yeah, he is the bad guy, but he never betrayed his siblings and tried to kill them

[S02.E19: When the Levee Breaks]

elijah helps michael to put hybrid curse on klaus, even though he was begging him to save him. then when klaus finally had an opportunity to break the curse he goes and tells everything to katherine and klaus lost an opportunity to become a hybrid for centuries. then wasn't it elijah who tried to kill klaus when he was breaking the curse and allied with salvatores?? why? because klaus daggered them? as far as i remember elijah has never been daggered before and was perfectly fine with klais daggering kol and rebekah multiple times. elijah is the biggest hypocrite of the show. then listens to hayley and accuses klaus of using hope for gaining more power. and now this? freya ? like klaus said wasn't it freya who helped finn to find hope in a first place?

lets talk about rebekah. the most stupid original. remember alexander, when because of her the whole family was daggered?? and wasnt it klaus who saved them and had to suffer hunter curse for 55 years, wasnt it rebekah who brought mikael to new orleans endangering not only klaus but also elijah. and for what? for a guy who chose being a vampire, his city, davina over her ? wasnt it rebekah who let klaus be beaten by an army of vampires? and now she is telling marcel how sick she is of klaus who just an episode ago exposed his mind to freya, despite his paranoia just to save rebekah. i mean klaus is flawed and paranoid and torn by his demons but honestly his family gave him every reason to treat them the way he does. has he ever put their lives in danger? he saved rebekah when kol tried to stake her, he saved elijah when esther poisoned his mind. he built this house for them and they still see him as monster and trust others before him. i felt so terrible when they accused him of killing aiden and he had to take the blame because noone would believe in his innocence anyways. watching them choose the sister they met few days ago and some dumb hybrid who will always choose her pack over klaus was just heartbreaking. i really hope klaus would not forgive them so easily. especially considering the fact that he has done nothing wrong.

at least klaus is not triing to be something he is not. he does what everyone thinks is the best option but to afraid to do it becaus it will make them to llok like a monster. someone has to be a bad guy and do a dirty work and it is always klaus