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On 4/23/2024 at 5:02 PM, lasu said:
Woah. Reading the age difference and SEEING it are two different things. That's a really big age gap to start with, and she looks VERY young for her age. I didn't think my opinion of that particular Tom could get any lower, yet here we are. Lower.
Yikes, I just looked at the photos of her, and she seriously looks like a child - like she's still in her early teens playing dress-up. Ugh.
So many guys who serially date very young women just want adoration rather than a relationship with someone willing to call them on their B.S.
Anyhoo, hopefully once she gets the exposure she's after, she'll dump his ass.
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I've only just watched the first episode of S2, but this is proving to be way more entertaining than RHOBH. I'm maybe confused on timelines, but why are Mo & Kyle still sharing a bedroom if they're separated? Mo is indeed very watchable.
The properties so far are mostly boring and generic concrete and glass mega-bunkers, but I did like the one that Adam Rosenfeld (chihuahua guy?) was showing Brandon (former dancer guy from Arizona). It was also a boxy concrete and glass building, but much more spectacular looking. I thought their interaction seemed nice and genuine.
Most of the guys in the office seem like total douche-bros - I'm actually having trouble telling them apart. So far I like Adam (even though I despise chihuahuas), and I'm rooting for Brandon, because he's starting from square one, and does not come from money.
Of the Umansky girls, I really only like Farrah (and I realize she's not technically a Umansky). She seems thoughtful and hard-working, and I LOVE her house - I hope we can see more of it. THAT's the kind of LA house I love looking at!
As for Alexia & Sophia? Phlbbbbbttt... entitled and bratty.
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5 hours ago, sistermagpie said:
but sort of seems like CZ was the one he had the best friendship with. Not so much on his side (since he seems incapable) but she seems like the one who accepts him and sees him for what he is. Which is maybe why she didn't trust him with weapons to hurt her?
From what I read, it sounds like CZ had a much more clear-eyed vision of who he was, accepted his flaws, but at the same time was very cautious about spilling details of her personal life to him.
This episode was mostly fantasy, and I guess it was to represent what may have been going on in Truman's head as he was passing away. I did like the metaphor of him fruitlessly diving for the pages of his unfinished book in the swimming pool.
I agree with a lot of the other posts - the series was a missed opportunity. Instead of interesting details about Truman's history with these women, it focused on repetitive episodes in the latter part of his life when things had already gone to hell. People in the throes of addiction make for really boring story subjects, because it's just an endless rinse/repeat cycle.
Kudos to Hollander for replicating the inebriated interview he did with the talk-show host. I've seen the real thing on YouTube, and he did a letter-perfect recreation.
What are they doing in Episode 8 now that our two main subjects are deceased? The show definitely could have been done in 5-6 episodes.
Although Murphy didn't have as much to do with this series, it was pretty typical of his output - starts off promisingly, and then fizzles out.
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So we're now in Truman's Studio 54 period. I wonder if Liza or Bianca will make a surprise cameo!
I actually liked this episode - as an aging person who now feels like I can't keep up with anything, I enjoyed the scene featuring C.Z. & Slim's fruitless search for the glove department, as well as the concluding scene where Truman is doing his little write up - it was a nicely written piece.
Warren Beatty & Annette Bening's daughter (who plays Truman's young protege Kate) is really lovely.
I also loved the scene with the doctor playing Truman's plastic surgeon, as well as the banter with Richard Avedon - both of those actors were fantastic in small roles.
This series is far from perfect, but I think there's some great acting, and it's keeping me entertained.
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I really enjoyed this episode. I think it's heavily implied that Truman's day out with James Baldwin was strictly in his head. I don't think the two authors had much use for one another in real life, but as someone who is as fascinated with Baldwin as I am with Capote, this episode was a treat. Can you imagine being a fly on the wall listening in on the two of them bantering back and forth? Really terrific performance from Chris Chalk who portrayed Baldwin. But oh man, what a macabre ending!
One other thing I have been enjoying about this series is the opening title sequence - really excellent artwork.
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31 minutes ago, dmeets said:
I was surprised when they faked out the end tags that it had only been 30 minutes. Felt like a full episode by that point.
Same! That fake-out totally fooled me. Then I looked at the clock and was all, "What? There's more?".
I really wish we could fast forward to the reunion and binge it all at once to boot. Looks way more interesting than this season.
I hope Anne-Marie is a one and done.
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The White Party was ridiculous - the giant stadium only served to emphasize how few were in attendance. Kyle's snarky digs at Lisa Vanderpump were not becoming at all. Of course she made sure it was her name only displayed in giant letters on the floor. I didn't care for Kyle's fringey number. The only white gown I liked was Ann Marie's. I had really been rooting for Denise Richards, but she sadly seems messed up on something this year.
The filmed scene in the living room was unnecessary, and rough to watch. I was about the same age as Portia (maybe a year or two older) when my parents announced they were splitting, so when she crumpled and started to cry, I definitely felt for her. I know there's a well-worn trope that "kids are resilient!", but when you've only known living together as a family unit, it really does feel like the rug is being pulled out from under you.
Eh good for Sutton for treating herself to really expensive earrings. Garcelle remains my favourite. Dorit continues to be ridiculous. Erika continues to have no soul.
I'm pretty anxious to see the reunion - it looks spicy! Looks like some of the gals might take Kyle to task over her behaviour. Also, more Kathy! What is that all about? I wonder if the Sutton collapse/hyperventilating incident they showed glimpses of was something of consequence or a big nothing burger tease? Ooh and more Crystal vs Ann-Marie drama! Go Crystal!
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I love Ben Mendelsohn, so I'm in! I agree that the age difference between Mendelsohn & Maisie Williams is really distracting. I'm willing to suspend disbelief because I like the actors, and the story is interesting.
I'm guessing this story is going to explore the grey areas people wind up getting into when survival is paramount. Having a moral compass is something of a luxury, and there are probably varying degrees of complicity. Coco Chanel definitely appears to be at the self-serving end of the spectrum.
I admit I giggled when Monsieur Dior stumbled out of a bar in the middle of the night with his friend: "I've got to go. I have to go make a fucking ball-gown"
The 1950's gowns featured in the opening sequence at the Sorbonne were breath-taking!
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29 minutes ago, Maximona said:
There's a YouTube documentary you can watch for free called The Capote Tapes that's partly narrated by Kate Harrington.
I just watched that documentary last night! (I think it was made about 4 years ago -the whole thing is available on YouTube). Very interesting and highly recommended.
I do think this show is really going in a bit hard on Capote. Yes, he betrayed his friends, and he definitely could be a little shit, but there were other sides to his character as well, which is why people were continually drawn to him - even after he was on the downslide.
Capote made it clear in interviews that he didn't think writing was something that could be taught. Nonetheless, it seems like he could have been a really good mentor to other young up and coming writers had he chosen a more constructive path.
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Some interesting info on the young woman who became Truman Capote's protege toward the end of his life. Kate Harrington was the daughter of Capote's former lover John O'Shea, and Capote wound up taking her under his wing after O'Shea completely abandoned his family. I honestly thought this plot point was fabricated for the mini-series, but it really did happen. Kate Harrington saw Capote as much more of a father figure than her real one.
https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2019/09/truman-capote-surrogate-daughter
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5 hours ago, 12catcrazy said:
Actually, that is apparently the truth. I haven't watched the episode yet, so I don't know exactly what they're showing, but Capote helped get her started as a model under the name Kate Harrington.
Wow, I read up a little on her, and Truman actually took her in after her father (and Truman's former lover) abandoned the family. She called him up simply hoping for help finding a job. He met with her for lunch, later moved her into his apartment, gave her all kinds of education on writing, helped launch her modeling career, and genuinely thought of her as a surrogate daughter. She still considers him to be the most important adult figure in her life. I'll post a link to the article I read in the media thread, but it does give a different glimpse as to who he was as a person. I'm glad they included this in the show, because it was definitely real, and shows another facet of who he was.
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I didn't see the affair between Bill Paley and Slim coming - I wonder if that indeed did happen in real life? He was an incorrigible philanderer, but that particular pairing wasn't mentioned in the "Capote's Swans" book.
Bill Paley is portrayed as much nicer in this series than he was in real life. Maybe it's because Treat Williams is so cuddly and affable looking in the role. The real Paley was very abusive, and Babe lived in constant fear of setting him off on a tantrum. This was why she kept minute details of entertaining and everyone's preferences in her little gold book. She was expected to uphold an inhuman standard of perfection in all things. I have no doubt that the incessant stress may have contributed to Babe's ill health (well that, and the chain-smoking they all did). The book detailed an incident where Babe and Truman had to barricade themselves in a room during one of Paley's rampages. Paley did apparently soften enough to accompany Babe on her treatment sessions - perhaps he felt some guilt for his poor treatment of her at the end of her life.
Felt very sorry for Truman's long-suffering former partner Jack Dunphy - I just love the actor who plays him - he often shows up in Ryan Murphy productions.
I also really liked the scene between Truman and O'Shea's daughter. It humanized him and gave a glimpse of the type of person he could have been had he not been awash in substances and obsessed with social climbing.
I'm assuming the final meeting between Truman and Babe on the sidewalk existed only in his (and possibly her) imagination.
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19 hours ago, Gobi said:
It was confusing, at first I thought that Navarro had attacked Leah.
Yeah, I got that fight scene totally confused as well. I honestly thought it was Navarro beating on Leah. Her stepping in to stop another cop makes much more sense.
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On 2/10/2024 at 2:12 PM, Black Knight said:
Lee Radziwill had a lot to do with the Capote/Vidal feud. (Liz Smith spilled the beans on it a little while back - she couldn’t stand Radziwill and this was why.)
Oooh, this sounds juicy - I hadn't heard about this, now I'm going to disappear down another research rabbit hole!
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1 hour ago, Madding crowd said:
Since the black and white ball never happened, I’m thinking the real life lunches and dinners were boring and the show doesn’t have anything interesting to say about the swans except that they are rich and either cheated or got cheated on in one of their many marriages.
The black and white ball definitely happened - it was a real event that Truman Capote hosted in the mid-sixties, with all the hype and intrigue that was depicted in the episode. Everyone in high society circles wanted an invite - kind of like our current Met Galas. It's fun to google pictures of everyone's get-ups back then.
The fictional element in this episode was the documentary filming by the Maysles brothers - that never happened around the ball. The brothers did apparently meet with Truman briefly at his beach house about a year before the ball took place - not sure if they did any filming.
I was looking forward to this episode, as I had read so much about the ball, but it seemed a bit draggy to me - the fun juicy elements (Truman playing the swans against one another, everyone thinking they were the special guest of honour) were truncated, while the more tedious ones ("stop filming!") were too repetitive.
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8 hours ago, voiceover said:
Funny that you brought Dunne into the convo. I actually thought of him while watching this. I used to read his stuff in Vanity Fair & I have his collected essays book.
He was…something like the light side of Truman. Hung out with a lot of society women who confided in him, but I don’t recall him ever betraying confidences publicly, or in such a nasty fashion. His interest in true crime came about as a way to deal with the murder of his daughter Dominique (whose ex-boyfriend killer received a light sentence).
I really enjoyed Dunne's writing - I read Vanity fair avidly during the years he covered the society/rich people crime beat, and completely forgot about "The Two Mrs. Grenvilles". I read it when it came out, but completely forgot the details and had no idea it was inspired by Ann Woodward.
So much of this show is about people I recall being featured in Vanity Fair exposes (the various Swans, Katherine Graham etc) but only recalling bits and pieces of their stories, so it's been fun to watch this and then disappear down research rabbit holes, to get a broader picture.
It's also been fun watching actresses roughly my age chew a bunch of scenery in their portrayals.
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5 hours ago, babyrambo said:
Completely agree about the casting. To me, Diane Lane is holding this series up by a large margin. While I like the performances, the other swans don’t have quite the same gravitas.
I think they're all doing pretty well - Diane Lane & Naomi Watts are the standouts for me. I'm not loving Calista Flockhart as Lee Radziwill - I'm finding her performance too OTT. I love Molly Ringwald, but she just always seems like Molly Ringwald to me. I enjoy her presence - but I'm just not buying her as Johnny Carson's ex - that was an oddball casting choice.
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Tom Hollander is totally hitting out of the park as Truman. I recall seeing Capote on talk shows all the time when I was a kid in the 70's, and Hollander has nailed his voice and mannerisms.
Interestingly there have now been 3 motion pictures with Truman Capote as the main subject:
2005 Infamous with British actor Toby Jones
2006 Capote with Phillip Seymour Hoffman (RIP)
2024 and now Feud with Tom Hollander
Each actor, although they looked somewhat different from the real Capote, gave stellar performances - not a misstep anywhere. If you haven't seen the two films from the 2000's I highly recommend both.
Capote is a fascinating character, because although his actions in this miniseries are indeed villainous, (people are still aghast at what he could have been thinking back then), there were many sides to his personality. There were reasons he enchanted so many - high intelligence, quick wit and mesmerizing storytelling ability. Unfortunately the darker aspects of his character completely overtook him in the latter part of his life, and he paid dearly.
I was also amused to see a sequence detailing the filming of Neil Simon's "Murder by Death" a delightfully dumb send-up of detective stories that I absolutely loved as a kid - it may have been my first (ignoble) intro to Truman.
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Originally posted this in the wrong thread, so re-posting here:
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I'm looking at the cast and comparing to photos of the real-life socialites they are supposed to be portraying, and I can't help but feel like they really screwed up the casting (even though I like all of the actors). In my mind, the actresses should have all been swapped around:
Chloe Sevigny apparently was cast as C.Z. Guest, but in my opinion, she looks waaaay more like Slim Keith.
Teeny petite blonde blue-eyed Naomi Watts has been cast as lanky dark-eyed Babe Paley, but I think she would have been much better as blonde blue-eyed socialite C.Z. Guest.
And brunette dark-eyed Diane Lane, who, in my opinion, would have made a MUCH better Babe Paley, wound up getting cast as Slim Keith.
I guess Calista Flockhart works okay as Lee Radziwill.
I really like Molly Ringwald, but she looks nothing like Joanna Carson. Molly Ringwald just always looks like Molly Ringwald to me, and I'm not sure if I'll buy her in a historical biopic.
I know the majority of viewers probably aren't going to have a clue who any of these women were or what they really looked like. I'm probably quibbling, but it always bugs me when shows don't even try for a remote semblance of the real-life counterparts.
I'm currently reading "Capote's Women" which was the inspiration for this incarnation. of Feud, and it's a page-turner! Ryan Murphy productions always seem to start out with a bang and then sort of peter out, so I'm curious to see what happens with this one.
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Accidental double-post. Reposted in the Season 2 thread.
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On 1/18/2024 at 5:41 AM, Pi237 said:
Ooh wait, I’m forgetting her fake yellow flower room she re-designed aka took all the personality out of at that restaurant Del Boca Vista or whatever it was called.
With the fake vines and lemons from the dollar store!😜 Dorit really is ridiculous.
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2 hours ago, Blakeston said:
I can't shake the feeling that this season is all too similar to Mare of Easttown. We've got a brittle middle-aged woman police offiicer who's mourning her dead son, can't get along with her lesbian daughter figure, and is taking shit about a case involving a missing/dead young woman that she couldn't crack, but obviously will. The dynamics with her and the community feel similar, too.
That was my thought as well. Different locale, but some similar plot points.
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2 hours ago, sjankis630 said:
I guess I miss understood. Who was Hank texting to earlier about sending money for a sick mother? Is he being phished? He seems dumb enough for it.
The first episode mentioned him having a Russian mail-order bride on the way. So yep, he's probably being fleeced.
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I'm finally starting to understand some of the relationships. Wow, I totally had Liz's family all wrong based on the first episode. I genuinely thought the John Hawkes character was her ex-husband, and that the young rookie cop was their adult son together. She's not related to either of them, and young rookie cop is just her mentee/protege.
It looks like Liz may have had a son with a deceased partner shown in flashbacks - or the boy could have belonged to him only. I'm also assuming the young woman living with Liz is her stepdaughter. I guess something (the drunk driving incident) happened to Liz's husband & the little boy. I like that Liz is a problematic and not always likable character
I still don't quite understand Navarro's relationship with her sister - looks like they had a traumatic childhood, but how did they wind up in Alaska? Are they actual sisters? Or were they just raised together?
One of the head scientists had a relationship with the murdered woman Annie. Curious as to what they will find in the abandoned trailer.
I recoiled when Liz got it on with the Police Captain. Just. Ew. Yuck.
I'm hoping they pick up the plot thread with the screaming corpse again. That definitely strained credulity.
So far my favourite characters are Rose, and the sweet dopey bar guy Navarro is having a fling with. Also the Alaskan malamute dog is excellent!
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I wonder if Alex is going to be as unhappy and cranky for the 2nd go round. I haven't minded her on other food shows, but she was really miserable on this one, and one of (many) things that really turned me off.
I also hate that they've kept the format of teams eliminating their own members - it just turns the show into a silly Big-Brother style popularity contest rather than a show about who has talent for preparing food.
I might give the first episode or two a look, but if it's as grating as the first one, I'll just come here and read everyone's brilliantly snarky commentary!