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10 hours ago, Mrs. P. said:
I was so sad when I heard one of the twins talking about his 'graduation' from high school. He was really glad that he was done with schooling - now he could get on with his life of selling used cars. It's clear that the none of these kids ever even consider college as a next step in their education. I just don't get it. How brainwashed would you have to be to completely ignore the possibility of further education?
Pretty darned brainwashed - I believe is the answer to your question. I'm sure the overall vibe fundie parents put out on education - the whole time they're homeschooling - is that this is just something we have to get through. A drudgery, a mandatory task. Not something joyous and exciting, which it can be. Kids literally are brainwashed into thinking that education is like cleaning the toilet - it must be done, but we don't have to like it & we don't have to invest a lot of time in it.
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Just now, MarysWetBar said:
Welcome back WF!
Long time no snark!
Thanks, Marys... I don't know how long this is going to last - this show is SO INCREDIBLY BORING. The little I managed to see was staggeringly dull. I can't believe TLC is still running the Duggars - last Spring I really thought they were over, but there's still 6 months to go in the year I gave them before "Counting On" started so I guess we'll see. If it's on at all in 2017 I'll be very surprised. I think people are pretty much done with the Duggars but who knows? If Trump gets in [God forbid], I guess it's conceivable that the Duggars could go on and on.... ?
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So I'm surfing around at 11 pm and see a Duggar face go by. What the ??? I've been away from the forum for several months now - it was getting pretty quiet last Spring - and had NO IDEA the "Counting On" show was back. Can't believe it's back either but hey, this is TLC! Just heard yesterday that one of their newer stars - from that Willis family show I think - has been charged with child rape so I can see nothing much has changed. TLC - the lowest common denominator channel. Of course the Duggars are back! I have some catching-up to do apparently, since this was episode 4. So Jinger is now courting? Or engaged? Has a wedding date been set? Is Josh back? On TV I mean? Are Jill & Derick still in Central America? I'll have to read the comments from the other 3 episodes, becuz I'm not sure I could stomach watching the actual show anymore. As it was, I only caught the last 15 min or so when I happened to see it on the tube tonight.
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1 hour ago, RealityCowgirl said:
It's more than a little sad to me that, of all the utter crap this network airs, all the grifters and dirtbags that they make rich, this was the one to end this way.
Oh, well. More a problem for us than them - in this case. They'll be fine.
The Kleins, and most especially Will & Zoey, will absolutely be MUCH better off - off the air. The kids are both right at the starting point of being aware of the show & that most other people DON'T have cameras following them all the time. That the fact that complete strangers are interested in them, come up to the family in public, even that classmates are watching the show at home. No matter how fine a school they attend and how the adults around them handle it, they will "hear about" being on TV from other kids. And I'm not saying it'll be a lot of cruel stuff, but it's unlikely there won't be any. At the very least, they're sure to be subject to some teasing. Even with sympathetic, supportive parents & all that the Kleins can afford to buy, life is going to be tough enough. Those kids, like all kids, deserve to have as normal and private a childhood as they can get.
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On July 5, 2016 at 6:38 PM, Missy Vixen said:
Biggest FU INTERNETZ ever!!!!11!!!!!
"I had girlfriends! I banged them, too! They still think I'm hawt! Jealous H8ers!"
And he chose a virgin with the emotional age of a 12 year old to "covenant marry". Good luck with that, Triple D.
"We had sex with the lights on, too! I TOTALLY DID IT!"
Just throwing this one out here: It's fascinating that nobody has come forward to talk about the sweet sweet lovin' of Triple D yet.
YET.
Yeah Derrick - not sure I'm totally believin' this whole story. Just doesn't ring true.
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On June 29, 2016 at 11:32 PM, BitterApple said:
Aboslutely. Just look at how Michelle was with Josie. She wore that kid like a badge of honor. A micropreemie was the perfect accessory for a narcissistic, mommy martyr like Michelle.
Spot-on correct. There's no mistaking, IMO, that Me-chelle views Josie in this [twisted] way.
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On June 18, 2016 at 10:56 PM, Sew Sumi said:
I went back to school late in life, but I graduated before Derick. My alma mater (pictured in my avatar) required theses or capstone projects from all graduates. Then again, I went to the top public university in the country; I guess there's a reason my school continues to rank up there with Ivies. I guess OSU isn't known for their rigorous academic programs. I'll take my liberal arts degree from a Top 20 school over whatever OSU gave Derick any day of the week. :D
I guess they don't even require Freshmen to take at least one critical thinking/writing course? I know you can test out in high school, but SOMEWHERE along the line, even an accountant had to write at least three essays to meet a basic English requirement. Right? RIGHT?????
Yes, Sew. You are completely right - nearly ALL regionally-accredited schools in the US require a basic writing requirement in their associate & bachelor degree programs. In fact, at this time most accredited schools are ADDING English and/or writing requirements to core curriculums and have been for at last the past dozen years. All you have to do is to read a few comments anywhere on the Web to see [1] why so many schools feel the need to ratchet up writing instruction and [2] how desperately it's needed in this country. Ppersonally I'm hoping that a small portion of that instruction includes the need for proofreading, because I can't get over how many web comments are rendered basically incomprehensible because of spelling errors and missing words.
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On June 26, 2016 at 2:20 PM, tabloidlover said:
Sounds like a nightmare. I would not be joyfully available for that nonsense. I would imagine there is no lubrication and that would have to be so painful. And none of the Duggar spouses look like they have any idea what to do in the sack, so there's that as well.
This is key to me as well. The Duggar males - I won't refer to them as men - in fact fundie males in general quite probably, haven't Clue One about what to do. Not really. As evidenced by Me-chelle's accidentally-hilarious "It won't take long..." comment to one of her girls a few years back.
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7 hours ago, LegalParrot81 said:
Looks like production on the show has been shut down for now.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/discovery-shuts-down-little-couple-164800438.html
Good grief - what an odyssey! Plus - who wants to bet, that when the dust finally settles, some other production company will come along and make a movie out of this mess? Kind of a boring accounting movie, to be sure, but still...
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10 hours ago, eributterfly said:
I remember Zoey saying she wanted her ears pierced just like mommy so I wouldn't be surprised if the request for the haircut came next. I also seem to remember Bill saying he wanted the pixie cut on Zoey, I'm sure that along with the fact that I remember a scene from the first day of school and Jen was brushing her hair as they walked down the stairs from back to front,,which made no sense to me and indicated she had no idea what she was doing. Zoey may have easily knotted hair and may even be tender headed which makes styling hair a nightmare.
My two cents on the topic.The fact that Zoey's hair has been made more carefree is not at all surprising. For several generations now, it seems children's hairstyles have been becoming shorter and increasingly "fuss-free." Unless they really LIKE fussing and fixing it, most moms nowadays keep things simpler. Possibly because more Dads are now coping with kids' hair, and it's hard to imagine that many men are into that. Mothers have always been busy, but now that the vast majority like Jen also work outside the home, "easy-to-fix" hair is just [duh] - easier. For boys, those no-care-other-than-a-shampoo styles like the "brush" or "buzz" look. For girls, often chin-length or shorter with barrettes, ribbons, hairbands, scrunchies keeping it out of their faces and looking tidy. My own hair was grown from infancy to shoulder-length, which I think was pretty common for the time, but I almost always had braids, pigtails or a ponytail because my parents couldn't stand seeing little kids with wild unkempt "feral" hair in their faces. Then in the 3rd grade or so, my SAHM had had enough of being hairdresser to 3 little girls. My hair was cut to just below chin-length, requiring only a barrette, and my pre-school sisters got pixie cuts [which were adorable and didn't even need the barrette]. Took a lot less time to shampoo us too. But my Mom told me she had ringlets for much of her childhood, which required my grandmother to tie up Mom's hair with rags daily, a process that she made sound fairly labor-intensive.
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1 hour ago, Clemgo3165 said:
Do you live in the South? I do and there are a lot of people here in my neck of the woods who think all Muslims are terrorists just waiting for the call to jihad.
Sadly, I'm sure this is probably true. But it's not just the South. And they're hillbillies - all of them. No matter what their level of education.
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On June 9, 2016 at 11:38 PM, Marigold said:
i think Derick loves Silly Jilly.
He is a kook and couldn't get a real woman so he chose an immature kidult.
Derrick has got to be one of the shyest and most passive males I've ever seen. IMO, he didn't even choose Jill. I think he had extremely limited social contact with women before "meeting" Jill on Skype. I don't think he dated AT ALL before her. Not that he actually "dated" Jill, of course. He didn't even have to introduce himself to her - in person - at any point. The awkward portion of Derrick's courtship wasn't with Jill - it was with Boob. In my thinking, that says a lot.
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On June 8, 2016 at 8:51 AM, ZoloftBlob said:
Wellfleet - to a point, it's not the AC, its a change in parenting and how certain actions or lack of actions are perceived by other parents. Nowadays, I hate to say it but if a parent doesn't have constant eyes on their child while they are playing, they are deemed bad parents if ANYTHING goes wrong. Honestly, I see this on Judge Judy all the time. A 5-10 year old is riding their bike/playing with friends/doing whatever outdoors and something happens and the first thing said? Why was this young child alone in the street playing ball or riding a bike or in any way not under constant parental view? So since parents generally have other things to do than constantly watch their kids, kids tend to be encouraged to play inside where they can be more easily monitored.
It's like we want it both ways - open the door and let the kids runs free and play.... but you're a monster parent if anything happens.
Yes, completely agree Zoloft. Having AC everywhere now has undoubtedly been a factor, but you're probably right in stating that Baby Boomer parents [my generation] haven't been nearly as "hands off" as our own parents were able to be. Parents don't simply "parent" any longer; they're expected to be security details too. Whether this is something they feel pressured to do by society - or within themselves - isn't really clear. And I honestly don't know whether this is good or bad. I hope some enterprising sociologists are busy researching this. We'll probably find out in 10-20 years that we did it all wrong too, just like our own parents did. Wry grin...
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9 hours ago, auntl said:
June, July, August, and September, 4 months appear to be very hot. The other 8 months seem like they would be great months to play in the yard.
In the northeastern states, where I live, we can't use the yard year round because of the cold months. That doesn't mean we don't want a yard for our children.
I'm glad that the Kleins have the grassy area on the side for the children to play in, as they obviously were in the kick ball pictures.
ETA: I was at my grandson's baseball game on Saturday. It was 90 degrees out. Life goes on even if it's hot. Especially for kids.
I don't remember really paying attention to the weather much as a child, other than noticing rain, snow, thunderstorms etc. And I don't EVER remember feeling uncomfortably hot on 90-degree days etc; at least not until I was maybe 9 or 10. My mother dressed us appropriately for whatever the weather was, and we played outside ALL THE TIME. All year long. So did all the other neighborhood kids [Baby Boomers all]. If it was raining we played on our 3-sides-of-the-house wraparound porch or down in someone's basement. This was long before people had AC in their homes. Only movie theaters and grocery stores had AC at that time. But the past 40-50 years have seen AC installed nearly everywhere and I think we're all pretty spoiled by it now.
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3 hours ago, Snow8585 said:
Excellent research. I was sure it was not their house as we never see Will and Zoey actually playing in their own yard.
So true. Hope this means the kiddos will be playing outside more often in the future. At least when Texas dries out - the poor folks there are absolutely being hammered with rain and flooding. First, several years of drought. Now, much more water than they need. Sending ALL good wishes for our friends in Texas. Hang in there, y'all...
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On June 3, 2016 at 9:48 AM, Veronique Bette said:
IMO these kids have a great sibling relationship and their home life is even further enhanced and more fun because they have another child to grow up with, especially in their special circumstances. I’ve seen Will looking out for his little sister from the first day she joined the family when he literally kissed her feet at the hotel, up to the present time. He always makes sure Zoey gets her food treats and snacks when he’s getting some, and how cute was he at Halloween waiting for her to catch up with him before he knocked on the doors for trick or treating. Yeah, like most kids, they're going to have their sibling rivalries and squabbles, but they’ll never have a real reason to think that either of their parents loves or prefers one over the other. That is, unless someone from outside of the family puts it into their heads.
I think Will and Zoey have a very healthy & solid sibling relationship overall, especially considering that they haven't been "together" since birth as unadopted siblings usually are. They enjoy each other, they're good company for each other and - no small consideration - they're both going to face the same Little People challenges, so they'll always have that as a common sibling bond too. My guess is that both kids are doing exactly what they want to do right now. Zoey doesn't WANT to join Will's Chinese lion deal because she has ZERO interest in it. Knowing Zoey she may even be a little [understandably] frightened of it. Will is just an extraordinarily enthusiastic child - game for anything - and that's probably why we sometimes see him join Zoey's activities. That will likely change soon since they're approaching that "boys/girls are cooties" period of development pretty quickly.
I do not think Will is allowed to do anything and everything he wants all the time - at least I hope he isn't - but I do understand why some viewers have come to this conclusion. Because there's rarely been footage of the kids being denied anything, or being disciplined. It's been 99% plusses and 1% minuses. And Life just isn't that one-sided. We don't need - or want - to see meltdown after meltdown, and of course privacy issues should always be considered. But is it "reality" TV or not? If Jen and Bill really want to portray their regular family life, let's see a few cons along with the Pros. On a personal note, if it were me, I would NEVER want anyone to think of me as such an indulgent parent. I'd be sure to include examples of both, so it would be clear that I was at least trying to teach my kids that everything is not always going to go their way in life. The sooner every child learns that, the better. Looking at you, Donald Trump...
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5 hours ago, Snow8585 said:
It is not their house
I think it is their house. I found this image online, which seems to show 2 tropical-looking trees in the side yard. Windows, gutters, landscaping are basically the same.
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6 hours ago, Foghorn Leghorn said:
So does Zoey like her hair or is too young to think about it? Confused?
Could be one, both or neither. The current shortness may feel familiar and comfortable to her, especially on hot Texas days. Or she may not care one whit either way. Who knows?
5 hours ago, ZoloftBlob said:From a personal comfort status, Zoey probably likes her short cut.
In the second paragraph, I thought Wellfleet meant that Zoey is probably too young to internalize how ugly some people find her hairstyle, From a comfort status, the kid is fine and it's unlikely any adult in her life is telling her the hairstyle is too old, the pixie cut is too severe or that she looks much prettier with different hair. That will change when she's a little older and more likely to hear such critical comments from classmates and to know what fans say about her online.
IMO, you nailed it, zoloft. Spot-on.
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I think the dark blue color is a massive improvement. Looks great! IMO, that island green color made the Klein house stick out like a sore thumb. Beautiful house, but an altogether-wrong color for a middle-to-upper-middle class city neighborhood. If they buy that huge 4-bedroom, 4-bath beach house in Galveston they were looking at, Jen can paint that green. Or her favorite Tiffany blue. I was always surprised they didn't use that for the house originally. Maybe I missed something and Bill vetoed the blue on the basis of "we already have an awful lot of Tiffany blue stuff around..." Something like that.
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17 minutes ago, ZoloftBlob said:
I think people who abandon their children in squalid orphanages don't have opinions that matter. Zoey's birth mom gave up any right to be pleased with her child's hair when she gave the child up.
Right. In addition, I'd be completely stunned if Zoey or any other 4-year old, male or female, has any concept of her hair and what it looks like. Whatsoever. Unless they're unfortunate enough to be involved in those appalling pre-school "beauty pageant" activities, children this young just don't consider how they appear, what they're wearing, how their hair is fixed etc. As long as she's comfortable, how her hair looks is not something Zoey thinks about. Of course this won't last too much longer. Little girls often develop preferences in primary school, especially if on the receiving end of any teasing or hurtful comments from classmates. But four-year olds? No.
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8 hours ago, Jellybeans said:
Zoe has a mind too. Maybe she wants it short like Mom. And... it is blazing hot in Texas. I grew up there. Hair grows.
It is cute on her.
Agree 100%. I'm guessing Zoey likes her hair shorter. It was quite short at the time she was adopted and I'm sure kept short by the orphanage staff - easier to care for overall. Maybe the shorter length just feels familiar to Zoey.
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21 hours ago, auntieminem said:
Hmmm, wonder what "professional means to them?
Statement from Josh and Anna. http://www.duggarfamily.com/2016/5/a-statement-from-josh-and-anna-duggar
Excellent question. To the Duggars, it's probably as simple as meaning someone they've had to pay. Not necessarily trained, qualified and/or accredited for whatever the task at hand was. Just someone they had to pay.
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1 hour ago, Aja said:
Does Famy gush? I know she's a LUSH....
Exactly - has to be Famy.
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24 minutes ago, kalamac said:
That headline made me think of something known as "Betteridge's law of headlines" which says "any headline that ends in a question mark can be answered with the word no."
It's not definitive of course, but I've certainly found it to be correct in most cases.
Wow. Is Josh really selling used cars on the side of the road? If that's true, that's a mighty comedown & mighty fast. I could see that in a couple of years maybe, but this soon? I wonder if Boob is trying to instill some kind of humble lesson and/or dole out some punishment?
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S03.E04: Meet the Parents
in Counting On
· Edited by Wellfleet
My mother had 6 kids [3 of each] within 8 years. We girls shared a single room & closet until I was 10, and the boys shared one room until they each moved out after HS. Clothes-sharing was just the most normal thing. It was having our OWN outfits that seemed strange to us. And that didn't really start happening until we starting BUYING our own clothes. In addition, my parents' sibs all had kids a little older or a little younger than us, so all the cousins shared clothes too. I can't remember a single Summer picnic where the mothers in our family weren't going through cardboard boxes of baby, toddler & pre-schooler clothes - trading things, remembering how cute A looked when wearing X etc. Lots of stories!! And I loved it when my aunt [who had 3 girls, all older than me & my sisters] would send down boxes of clothes she had made for them. It was like designer wear. Perfectly-tailored and constructed. She was a master seamstress, could do ANYTHING with a needle, and once made my uncle an overcoat of camel-colored cashmere. Very elegant!