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9 hours ago, Irlandesa said:
As for the FBI, the agent's supervisors likely did nothing wrong. The FBI likely didn't have investigative authority to pursue these cases formally. The FBI can't just investigate whatever they want. There are guidelines about what falls into the federal jurisdiction and these murders likely didn't. Each one was under the authority of the state where they took place.
It was a violent crime(s) by a potential serial killer who crossed state lines and involved multiple states across the country in both the investigation and the pursuit. It was not out of their scope/ability to give assistance, hence how the agent was allowed to work the case and provide their resources; it just wasn't a priority. It was pretty clear the agent's boss just wasn't interested in it. The agent basically said he felt vindicated when they made gains in the case to prove it was one worth working and deserved to be given more time/attention.
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4/26 "Chameleon" (Better title would have been "The Face in the Dress")
The NJ DA who gave that psycho serial killer immunity on the 2nd murder and the FBI boss who didn't put full resources on this case in the interest of protecting other women/future victims should both be fired. I hope this episode produces enough outrage to make some heads roll (no pun intended.) I don't know how they can live with themselves after screwing over that family, the daughter and sister of which were awesome. Those ladies were truly inspiring. Loved how the one detective said if he ever went missing, he'd want them on the case. This was a really engaging episode and with plenty of participants telling the story, Andrea didn't even ask too many of her normal jackassy questions.
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Two things struck me about 4/19's episode:
-If the guy hadn't killed a rich socialite, I don't think the other woman's murder would have been solved. Sad as is the state of thing, they likely kept after that very long cold case because of who the younger girl was.
-There's some bad blood or something in the murder's family. I mean, he's the so-called best of the brothers and he raped and killed 2 women. There had to be some dark shit in his nature as it's a big jump from burglary to rape & murder. He could have just ran out of the house when he got caught. Both women were probably too shocked and scared to have done much. He stayed and raped and murdered them because he wanted to, despite what he tried to explain years later. Glad he surrendered peacefully and trusted his retired cop friend.
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The Pros: This kept me engaged. Each episode ended making me want to watch the next. The premise was interesting, and it had a lot of potential.
The Cons: The suspension of disbelief is off the charts! I couldn't decide if the author was just a sloppy writer or immature and ignorant of real-world logistics, laws, and procedures and has never heard of Waco. I mean, seriously….a minor with a pentagram carved on her back, who's escaped an insular religious cult and is likely in mortal danger, not to mention emotionally damaged and psychologically compromised, is simply brought home like a lost puppy by the hospital psychiatrist who is insensitive to her own family’s cares and concerns, particularly her middle daughter whose own safe space she disrupts. Instead of getting some serious deprograming and intensive therapy, cult girl is given her own cell phone and enrolled in a modern public high school where suddenly corn husk doll making skills are all the rage and satanic scars are the new badge of victim empowerment. This was all eye roll worthy enough, but by the time one county detective shoots another county sherif on the cult's grounds, where a massive fire, religious sacrifice, and attempted murder are also taking place, and not only have the state police still not appeared and raided the premises, but it’s weeks later till a search warrant is ready, at which point it’s then served by the newly minted cop and the detective who discharged his weapon as if internal affairs, the state police, and possibly even the FBI don't exist. Don't get me wrong, I know the detective is the good guy and I was rooting for him, but police policy and procedure and that legal good stuff. Meanwhile, the secret secluded agrarian cult who have a penchant for fire stronger than Beavis and Butthead and who are so desperate for their bounty and whatever all else their satanic wannabe Amish paradise village is lacking yet have the money, means, and power to control and pay off multiple police officers, lawyers, and judges have now quietly disappeared into the night lit by their burning church and led by their dialysis machine toting leader who they still think is groovy much like how starving North Koreans revere Kim Jong Un.
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On 9/13/2022 at 6:18 PM, Madding crowd said:
I'm wondering what is going on with the father, he seems to have very little affect even when bad things are going on. I wish he and his wife would have some better communication. I'm not sure I could have a foster child who had obviously been part of a cult and been abused without wanting her to have a lot of counseling and having the police make sure my family would be safe. Suzanne has her reasons I know, but she is so unconcerned about everything despite her having years of experience dealing with traumatized teens and children. I wonder if the state police could get involved since the Sheriff is Amonville is uncooperative. I heard this was based on a true story but wonder how much of it is true.
This has been driving me nuts! Where is the state police? She crossed county lines so it seems it would be under their jurisdiction.
On 9/14/2022 at 9:36 PM, millennium said:Suzanne is a moron. I have binge amnesia -- was it this episode or the last where she finds Mae's freaky shrine out in the woods? She asks Mae, "What's that?" but is content to stand there listening to Mae's reply without taking a closer look despite that anyone can see it's festooned with photos and personal stuff. Mae tells her a thinly veiled account of human sacrifice and Suzanne's take-away is, "I think they were going to make her a nun."
Agree! Suzanne is pissing me off. She comes off as a lousy shrink and a lousy mother to her own kids, clearly putting Mae above them. Poor Jules has had to give up her room/bed and chauffer this freaky girl around school while the older sister seems to be able to do what she wants, which is mostly being rude.
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12 hours ago, iMonrey said:
"A Girl named Egypt." Another repeat, why does my DVR think it's new? I remembered it almost instantly, that the neighbors were pot growers and the killers went into the wrong apartment.
This could have been a half hour. 90 minutes of red herrings about the boyfriend, the ex-boyfriend and the brother. An entire segment devoted to how a beer was named after Egypt. You're running out of content, Dateline!
Brother's girlfriend Lindsay was the real hero here going after the local police and getting the case moved to state police. It's a wonder if the local police aren't sued for malpractice.
Weird they kept showing the house with Halloween decorations when the crime took place in June.
Agree, it reached a point where I knew this was another Andrea plays up the sensational elements episode. I felt bad that the victim's life was reduced to relationship drama on national TV when all along it was the skeevy neighbors that resulted in her death. Yet, she'll be remembered for all the boyfriend drama thanks in part to the local police and Andrea Canning's extensive coverage of it. Clearly, she wanted the twist ending, but more time spent on the neighbors and their revolving door of "visitors" would have been a more accurate narrative.
Hell, they still never explained where the Christmas lights that bound her came from.
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I thought it was ironic when the co-worker testified about how Johanna talked about the elements of a perfect murder and one was driving a nondescript vehicle, which she thought she had, except that post-market detail on her truck stood out to a witness familiar with cars. Like of all the people to notice her vehicle, the trucker was thankfully one who picked up that detail and could make the identification.
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On 3/10/2024 at 2:00 PM, UsernameFatigue said:
Not that I think it would have saved the guy, but I do wonder why girlfriend Michelle was still in touch with her ex, right up to phoning him to find out who to request a wellness check. Isn't how one would do that common sense? Doesn't really seem like she was over the guy, despite supposedly breaking up with him because he wouldn't leave his wife.
I wondered too whether she wasn't a little too attached still to him as well. It sure did seem like she needed to put more distance between them. I'm assuming she didn't cut him off completely because they were childhood friends and had a history going back before they got romantically involved.
FYI, both girlfriend and wife were named Jenn. Michelle was the convicted girlfriend the week before.
On 3/10/2024 at 5:53 PM, UsernameFatigue said:I got the feeling that she may have thought that her marriage could be saved, and over the few years realized that it couldn't. Really she is lucky that she wasn't charged with obstruction, as that is what she was doing.
I got the impression that she sure worded things carefully in an attempt to avoid obstruction charges from her previous statements. I can't remember her exact words, but I kept thinking that she was sure skirting an outright admission of lying.
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16 hours ago, 12catcrazy said:
Anybody watch last night's Dateline? How very sad a story - the poor victim had been dating his new girlfriend for such a short period of time and got murdered because she had an obsessed ex.
I'm still almost flabbergasted about how much in denial the murderer's parents are in. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that it was there son on the video. Even the guy's wife obviously realized it was him on the video. I'm glad that she finally got her life together and didn't give him an alibi. And I believe her 100% when she said that she had been getting pressure from both her husband AND his parents to give him that alibi. I think that the charge that she was trying to essentially "blackmail" him was bullshit. The guy was nothing but a cold-blooded murderer and I hope that he spends the rest of his life behind bars.
Agree, the parents had their heads so far buried in the sand they weren't seeing what was right in front of them. They needed a wakeup call. Their son was a real piece of crap.
16 hours ago, TVbitch said:Tragic. This is why I always told my brothers to break up with a woman immediately if they have a crazy ex or weird shit starts happening. It is more common than one thinks. Doesn't often end in murder, but no one needs to suffer that over someone they just met.
Wise advice! If only the firefighter would have looked closer into the weird messages he got and realized the attempts on his life were a real threat/indicator of what was to come.
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5 hours ago, JudyObscure said:
Just think of all the times Angie's mother went to the police station and was told "We're working on it." Yet now we know they hadn't even bothered to follow up on the man who lived across the street.
Agree, it was awful how they could have solved the case correctly from the start if they'd have just done better police work. Throughout the episode, I kept saying to my TV, "Did they canvas the neighborhood? See if the neighbors saw or heard anything?" So imagine my surprise when it was revealed it was one of the neighbors. I think the police had a bite against those "river kids" and wanted to put as many of them away as they could, hence the reason they kept growing the perp list even though the evidence pointed to only one participant.
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2/17 episode "The Perfect Life"
Andrea's interviewing drives me nuts! I just want her to spend some time on the facts and evidence in the case and less arguing with the suspect. While I think she thinks it makes for a dramatic sound bite, it actually makes her look very immature and unprofessional. Also, what the heck is she doing with her eyebrows these days?! They looked normal in the old clips but in the current ones she looks like Groucho Marx.
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On 2/6/2024 at 1:55 PM, 12catcrazy said:
Yeah a case where the husband got away with murder. As the son said, he's not going to get justice in this life but probably the next.
As far as the girlfriend, Jennifer, is concerned, I think she is a real POS. I don't buy that she didn't know he was married. I was in the AF many years ago and I can tell you that military bases are like small towns. Everybody knows everybody and if you don't know the person directly, you know somebody who does. Jennifer worked with the guy - believe me, somebody would have mentioned his wife and that she was stationed in Greece. And I think she was fine with the wife being killed - it sure didn't take her very long to move into the house. If they hadn't granted her immunity to get her to talk, she would have been tried as an accessory.
This! I couldn't believe the prosecutor gave her full immunity. They should have been able to smell her involvement from a mile away with the coy and convenient statements she gave over the years. While I think he pulled the trigger, I wouldn't be surprised at all if she was the one to suggest the murder or plant the idea in his head in the first place. I had to wonder if they would have tried them together, if they would have gotten the conviction(s). Or even if they would have charged her with murder or accessory to murder and gotten her to plead to lesser charges of obstruction of justice and aiding and abetting if the jury might have been more inclined to believe her testimony at his trial.
On 2/7/2024 at 7:41 PM, JudyObscure said:Poor Tara. She would have been two when her mother suddenly disappeared from her life to go to Greece for a year. That must be experienced just like a death to one that young. Then her mother comes back to life for a few months and then disappears again. No wonder she clings to her murdering father.
I can't really understand military women with young children taking tours without their children. They said she could have taken a longer tour with family included but she elected not to do that because of resettling the kids. The thing is the military is so good about all that, they pay to pack up all your stuff and ship it overseas. They provide you with housing and schools for the children, plus free medical care for all. Even your dead beat spouse gets to come along. The third choice would have been to simply refuse to go anywhere, in which case she wouldn't get to re-up when her enlistment was over, but there's no punishment.
My hubs is from a military family and benefited from travel and educational experiences growing up like this (that he wouldn't have otherwise had) so I agree her kids might have too had they gone along. It certainly sounded like the daughter needed to broaden her horizons. Maybe then she wouldn't have had her head in the sand when it came to her father. Girl couldn't even make the obvious connection that if his mistress was involved, he was too.
2 hours ago, iMonrey said:Not much of a mystery to "Death at the Spa." All the explosives in the guy's garage was pretty much a dead giveaway. I laughed at the defense attorney pointing to other suspects, like "do they have a garage full of explosives?" He must have been a fairly decent defense attorney though to get a hung jury. I don't know why Stephen didn't stick with him for the second trial.
It is curious that he got a different attorney after the first one provided enough reasonable doubt for 4 jurors. Seems the key to the second trial for him might have just been playing up that kind of doubt/highlighting places where other evidence wasn't there. While I do think he did it based on the style of the murder (most people don't know how to make bombs yet alone have the chemical conveniently in their garage), I could see where the jurors might have wanted some further connections to sway them. I kept wondering if they ever traced how the box got there--did he send it through USPS/UPS/FED EX or did he just leave it there since he had keys to the business?
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I completely agree with both @Annber03 and @iMonrey about the gun points. I also thought it was ironic that they had a security system but didn't use it when they were home. Instead they kept guns all over the house that I guess they though they'd have easy access to yet someone could easily break in and use one of their own guns.
Or Nick could have been killed some night he was sneaking back in from getting drunk in the barn had his parents heard him and thought he was an intruder. If only!
I was also kinda wondering if Nick warned the hired hitmen about the dogs and told them to take them out too.
Also if Nick's dad had actually hit the hitman with his weapon first and survived, was Nick and his wife going to fork over more money to hire two more hitman???
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1 hour ago, 12catcrazy said:
Any comments on last night's episode? To me, one of the saddest crime cases is where a child kills their parent(s). And in this case, the police seemed to do a good job. It would have been very easy to have tunnel vision where they'd pin it on the wife and be done with it. My take is that the son in this case was a very spoiled and enabled young person who had no moral compass. It was his parent's bad luck that the kid's girlfriend/wife was cut from the same cloth. It's sad that all she got was a slap on the wrist (if you could even call it that).
Until he was interviewed at the end, I thought he must have just been a little psycho, but after listening to him talk, I too came to the conclusion that his actions stemmed from a spoiled and entitled life view/upbringing where he never had to work hard for anything or suffer consequences for his actions. Add in his immaturity and a warped desire to impress his new wife and give them an upscale life. She was equally as greedy and lacking morals and should have had a similar sentence. She definitely got off light. Now can you imagine the next guy who brings her home to meet his parents? 😨 What a nightmare daughter-in-law.
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Friday Jan 5th's episode about Gloria:
I'm left with one burning question.😁 I know he's not the killer, but what ever happened to Corpse Kisser???? 🤔 Would not be surprised at all if some point down the road he got arrested for some kind of sexual deviancy...peeping Tom, touching little girls, necrophilia.
Also, while Andrea's interviewing is annoying AF, the I-just-threw-up-in-my-mouth-a little face she made when his behavior at the funeral came up was almost worth having her as the host.
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Friday's (12/1) "The Day Alissa Disappeared" episode.
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- Andrea is so annoying. Can't stand her interviewing skills. Too many redundant or leading questions. She needs more distance and less bias like Keith Morrison possesses.
- The father definitely suffers from paranoia and has control issues. I suspect he has more extensive mental health issues and maybe personality disorders. I theorize that he probably killed her and then convinced himself she ran away, using the old note. It seemed like he had warring impressions of her. As if a part of him saw her as his true daughter and cared about her, but the darker side of him had a sexual attraction to her (perhaps she reminded him of her mother) and at the same time was disgusted by her sexuality. He definitely exhibited some misogynist attitudes.
- While I think odds are he did it, I don't think there was enough legal evidence to convict him, especially without a body to prove she was even dead. The first prosecutor who didn't want to bring it to trial was probably keen enough to realize this. The second one who did likely did so out of public pressure from the sister's podcast going viral. Provided double jeopardy doesn't apply (my legal studies son says it probably doesn't) then the judge was correct to dismiss the case at that point. I'm assuming if more evidence is discovered, it could be brought to trial again with a higher confidence of conviction. Would be nice if Dateline spent a few seconds to clarify this rather than wasting it on showing Andrea ask repetitive questions. Although there really needed to be better detective work and more interviews in the early days of her disappearance to acquire more evidence than what they had.
Questions to ponder:
- Why did Sarah not participate in the Dateline show/do an interview if she was such a public voice for the case?
- Was Sarah around when the convenient store phone call came in/did she also overhear it? (Since there is a phone record of the call, I'm thinking it was a wrong number and he convinced himself it was Alissa.)
- How much did Alissa's biological dad see her? Was surprised when he popped up since he signed off rights. Felt like there was more to the story there.
- What about Mike's first wife/the mother of his sons? If she was still living, what was her impression of him?
- Did the 3rd grade teacher sort of drop the ball on Alissa's statement about having sex with her dad? I know she [Alissa] walked it back, but still felt like a guidance counselor or someone should have followed up on that/interviewed her more extensively about the comment, especially given her mother had died (just the year before?) and she was being raised by her stepfather.
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I'm left with the burning question of... why does Madeline wear those fake bangs???
Also when it comes to Freddie, Team Vera all the way.
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52 minutes ago, iMonrey said:
Was it? Thursday's episode was "Dangerous Secret."
I found "Zombie Hunter" hard to follow. Not the typical case Dateline usually covers. The irony here (for those of us in the East/Central time zone) is NBC kept interrupting this story about a serial killer . . . to update us about another serial killer. Therefore, I missed a chunk of the story which explained how this guy became known as a "zombie hunter."
East coast viewer here too. Kept waiting and waiting for the Zombie Hunter angle to come into play, only to miss that key part due to NBC's annoying interruptions. Like 11pm is a news hour, it couldn't wait till then? If he was dead at ten o'clock, he was still going to be dead at eleven. That was an interruption only needed in the Maine area. The rest of the east coast wasn't sheltering in place.
I also thought this one fell a little flat. Can't help but think the "zombie hunter" title was only played up due to the proximately of Halloween.
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On 10/21/2023 at 12:14 PM, iMonrey said:
And it took him until after he'd been released from the hospital, made his way to police headquarters, and was interviewed for an unknown amount of time before he got around to asking if his wife was still alive? What? Wouldn't that be the first thing out of your mouth as you were being hauled away to the hospital and every minute afterwards until you got an answer?
100% this! And after he rolled off with that, I turned to my daughter and said, "If the husband doesn't turn out to be the culprit, then he sure didn't love her." The cops should have pegged him in that moment for sure. How bizarre to prioritize talking to the police before finding out your wife's condition. How could you leave the hospital without finding out if your wife was also laying in a bed there or in the morgue! Who picked him up from the hospital??? Plus, he said he sent her down the steps first, following behind her with the gun. What a douche.
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1 hour ago, iMonrey said:
Bethany Vanished: These one-hour cases are really pretty cut and dry. Shows how little mystery there actually is if Dateline doesn't pad it out with all sorts of red herrings and false leads.
That said, they're not very good at telling the story in an hour either. There always seems to be important info missing. Like the entire backstory on this Ronald guy. The killer just ended up being an enigma. No history, no family, no explanation, no nothing.
I also missed what the hell happened to Bethany's kid the night she disappeared. She had her son with her when she left her grandmother's house, her husband followed her halfway home, by the time anyone realized she was missing, where the hell was the kid? Did she drop him off somewhere?
Agree! I spent several segments muttering out loud, "So is the kid missing too? Where is he?" Dateline could benefit from some better editors. Or "beta watchers." Later they finally said he was living with Bethany's mother after they suspected abuse from Ronald. But how he got there that night, no clue. And if the son was living with her mom, was it normal for her to go 3 weeks without seeing him and just responding to FB messages with things like "don't want to talk now?" Also, while they did indicate she was going to move out, I don't believe they ever said where to. Was she getting another apartment w/out Ronald? Moving in with her mother's to be with her son? Moving back in w/her husband?
Wish they would have had the police show or comment on the messages she received and exchanged on her phone while at her grandmother's, the last night anyone saw her.
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12 hours ago, 12catcrazy said:
This was another case where the cops thought they were going to pin it on the husband. Not that it's a bad idea to look at the #1 choice at first, but sometimes I think they get closed off to other ideas. And while most of you don't like the husband, I was glad that he was cleared - he was kind of weird but also seemed like a straight shooter. He was former military - maybe some kind of Special Forces? Those guys are pretty much brainwashed to think in a certain way (even to get them through their training), so to most of us, the "I've failed as a man" thing seems weird and over the top, but that's how many of those guys think (I was in the Air Force 40 plus years ago, so I get it).
The same thing with all the guns. Maybe it's a macho thing or a local hobby but people in rural states have arsenals and nobody thinks much of it. 2nd Amendment rights and gun culture. Julius was a real moron though as why go to rob a house where the owners are armed to the teeth and usually home at night? If I remember, at the beginning of the episode, at least some of the family had been away, so did they come back early, or did Julius think they were still away? What a stupid senseless crime though - this family had been mostly kind to him and this is how he repaid it. Evil does walk in this world.
Yeah, the husband worked defusing bombs during his military service so that kinda explained his nonchalant attitude. He was trained to stay calm in tense situations. I was glad he was cleared too. He was quirky, but I think genuinely cared about his family.
I wondered too if Julius thought they weren't going to be home. They mentioned early in the episode that the family had recently returned from a several week trip to Germany and considered the angle that it was a burglar who knew about the trip but thought they were still away.
Also agree, very tragic and senseless violence. Julius must have had some serious issues to unleash that kind of brutality on a woman he actually liked.
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29 minutes ago, iMonrey said:
Yes, I don't think we got the full story on Megan. I have no idea if they tried to interview Kendra or not, but usually when they reach out to someone who refuses to talk, they tell us. So that was strange. I wonder if maybe the show was afraid of getting sued if they brought up speculation about Kendra, like maybe the police suspected her but just didn't have enough evidence to charge her. Although usually this show doesn't shy away from that kind of thing.
The idea that Brodey just lost his temper and strangled Megan seems pretty flimsy, especially since nobody testified about him having anger issues or anything. I just have a hunch Megan was set up, possibly by Brodey and Kendra together, but that's just my theory.
That's a good theory. Brodey could have planted the idea of running away together in Megan's head in the first place. It's certainly in the realm of something a manipulator would do. And it's quite likely Kendra knew about it. It certainly would be interesting to get Kendra's side of things, especially after the evidence and details came out at the trial. Like did she know Brodey was sleeping with Megan.
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11 hours ago, Irlandesa said:
Yeah. I don't necessarily think she's involved but I'm surprised they didn't go back to her and say "let's talk about that night again." I could see her vouching for him, though. He seems to have been a manipulator and I could see him telling her that he's innocent but he doesn't have an alibi so if she loves him, she'll say they were together. Plus, if she wasn't around anyone either, it'd give her some cover.
I feel for the mom. She knew he was bad news but her daughter was too young and inexperienced to realize just how bad her situation was.
I definitely would have liked to hear what Kendra had to say/be interviewed. I wondered too how long they stayed together. If it was just a HS thing and then they went their separate ways in college or if they were still together when he got arrested. Agree, he seemed like a serious manipulator, playing both the impressionable girls as well as Megan's mother. Creepy how his hatred of her fueled some of it. It was like he got off so to speak on messing with people's lives, particularly (and maybe solely) women. I wish the interviewer would have asked his best friend if he ever realized in hindsight that he psychologically played/interfered in his life too.
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10-5 episode, "The Note:"
This presentation felt lacking. I've not heard of the case prior to tonight's episode so it's all I have for information on the case. I felt like it left me with more questions. Such as...
If she was strangled/suffocated, where did all the blood in his trunk come from? (I'm not doubting he did it, but that angle seems unexplained. I'm not buying his menstrual blood excuse either.)
Since they brought up Kendra the girlfriend and that she was his alibi that night, how did they clear her of involvement? Much was made of her in the beginning and then she was like a dropped plot point. Seems like she would have gained from Megan being out of the picture.
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All Episodes Discussion
in Dateline
My point wasn't that he wasn't free to move around the country (though when your wife disappears the police generally expect you to be reachable/keep current contact on file for further questions/follow up), it was that by moving around the country, leaving missing (and presumed dead which his first wife was declared) women in different states, and continuing a pattern that suggested there could be future (as well as more past) victims, it became a case that the FBI would assist in/be involved in as a means of pooling resources to gather evidence and build the case that would otherwise be difficult for multiple local counties with much smaller budgets and lesser resources available. You previously stated that "The FBI likely didn't have investigative authority to pursue these cases formally. The FBI can't just investigate whatever they want. There are guidelines about what falls into the federal jurisdiction and these murders likely didn't." And I outlined why it would fit an FBI case to assist on. Which it was, the boss just didn't prioritize it. The agent said so. So I maintain my stance of kudos to the agent who took this seriously, cared about justice for the victims, was concerned about preventing future ones, and put in all that extra time. He helped put a dangerous psycho behind bars, which might not have ever happened if the agent's boss had anything to do with it. Hopefully the Dateline episode helps gives credit where it's due and brings about a closer look/internal investigation into why this almost fell between the cracks if it hadn't been for that diligent agent. Smith was a danger to society and women's lives were at risk. Playing cards when there's no work to do/no customers in what I assume is a non-law enforcement workplace is hardly the same analogy.