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3 hours ago, MrSmith said:
I was going to post something, but there's really nothing to say. Tamara Tattles, the Daily Mail, and some of the posters here have it pretty well covered. The only thing I can add is that Kathryn's and Thomas' son looks like he suffered/suffers from mild Fetal Alcohol Syndrome. His face and head seem to bear some of the hallmarks to a small degree.
He's got a long, relatively smooth philtrum, his nose looks short, and his eyes and bridge of his nose look "off". When you compare his philtrum to his sister's, there's a marked difference. He also seems to have a smaller head than she does (and not just because he's younger).
The kid looks just like his father.
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3 hours ago, MrSmith said:
I was going to post something, but there's really nothing to say. Tamara Tattles, the Daily Mail, and some of the posters here have it pretty well covered. The only thing I can add is that Kathryn's and Thomas' son looks like he suffered/suffers from mild Fetal Alcohol Syndrome. His face and head seem to bear some of the hallmarks to a small degree.
He's got a long, relatively smooth philtrum, his nose looks short, and his eyes and bridge of his nose look "off". When you compare his philtrum to his sister's, there's a marked difference. He also seems to have a smaller head than she does (and not just because he's younger).
Perhaps there's a "marked difference" because she's twice his age. The boy looks perfectly healthy. The only unfortunate thing is that he looks just like his father.
1 minute ago, queenjen said:The media articles and court documents that are showing Kathryn's failed drug tests, the failed rehab the drugs she was on and the now open speculation about the effect alcohol has had on at least one of her children. A lot of this is much more recent and now confirmed.
Since when have a bunch of fans of a TV show nattering about their pet theories online been "confirmation" of anything? Show me something that isn't fan or blog based -- like a medical report connected with the court case -- and I'll pay attention.
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6 minutes ago, queenjen said:
The physical anomalies he's exhibiting put him further than the 'mild' end of the spectrum. His ears at least look regular but to have physical changes to this extent is extremely serious, there is a whole lot more going on in the brain that kicks in with a lot less alcohol during the pregnancy. Some are saying Kensie also appears to have physical hallmarks of the syndrome, but I never noticed it with her and still don't. That doesn't mean she is or isn't on the spectrum, only Kathryn will be able to answer that. It's just so unbearably tragic. I don't know if I could cope with the guilt, if I was Kathryn, and this makes me fear for her life.
I've seen those kids for about a split second on the show. How anyone thinks they can diagnose either one of the with some serious disorder based on a few seconds of TV time is a mystery to me. If either child had anything like fetal alcohol syndrome going on, don't you think it would have shown up in all the nasty custody back-and-forth? I'm sure the kids are fine and, if they aren't, and it's because of something Kathyrn did or didn't do, I'm just as sure that Thomas would have been shouting about it from the rooftops.
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12 minutes ago, queenjen said:
We've all learned in the last few days that Kathryn is in terrible shape and in some circles, TRav is being given a pass. I'd noticed the Foetal Alcohol Syndrome features in Saint and hoped against hope that I was wrong. No one wants to speculate about a child in this situation. But now it's out and Kathryn is fast losing support. Whitney and Patricia have a lot to answer for, as does TRav, for their part in Kathryn's downfall. It's unbearably tragic that the children will bear the brunt of her alcohol abuse and drug use for the rest of their lives. I've taught FAS kids, it's a spectrum and those at the serious end are unable to ever live independently. It's a horrible life sentence. For Kathryn, I really can't imagine the strength she will need to accept the living consequences of her actions during her pregnancy/ies. Aside from getting clean, she will have to humble herself and accept responsibility and knuckle down. It really looks to be a challenge that much older stronger and more stable humans would have difficulty with. Given all this, I fear for her life. At least TRav and family have the resources to provide the best therapy possible for the kids. And I bet Kathryn's family would also be offering their full support. I hope so. Those kids are going to need it and they are going to be difficult to care for and will have trouble in so many areas. It's just so tragic.
What are you talking about???
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12 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:
What facts are there post last February? Has there been some declaration of Tom stating he is in a open relationship? I don't understand why anyone would go on and on about the status on a couple's relationship. Ramona et al, keep objectifying Luann and Tom's relationship. . .it is their main topic of conversation and their running joke. Oh absolutely gauche to carry on like columnists in tabloids about what one may or may not have heard, or calling ex girlfriends of the groom.
It is going to be pretty hard to top a photograph of Tom kissing another woman. It just gives me the creeps these women are taking over and under bets on the wedding and I am sure there is some contingency deal after the wedding why they don't want it to work. These are the same women who then wonder why their likability is on the decline or they are having are time finding the right guy.
Ramona and Sonja look like pitiful sore losers every time they bring the wedding or Tom up. Ramona should never question why she isn't invited to anything by Tom and/or Luann-she is an idiot. Any conversation with Tom she claims is flirting.
The facts have been discussed on the show. And it's not just Tom. Luann said -- on camera -- that she had an open relationship with her husband but, when asked about it on the reunion, she denied having an open relationship and denied having ever said any such thing. It's ridiculous.
I do think you should warn a friend if you have knowledge about their fiance/husband being unfaithful, but, once you've done that, you need to step out. I actually don't understand why Luann seems so desperate to be married to this guy -- it borders on obsession -- but, if she's determined to overlook anything and everything that might stand in the way of that goal, then folks should definitely butt out and let her have at it. Ramona just likes to stir shit, but Sonja is ridiculously, sickeningly jealous. Everything she says about it makes her sound pathetic.
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43 minutes ago, biakbiak said:
Albert is famous for having two types before his wife. Younger famous women on his arm to disguise his mistresses and mothers of his other children. Sonja doesn't meet either critriea. His wife is not only younger but a world class athlete.
The fact that Sonja thinks that having a fling with a schlub like Albert is something to brag about is just further proof of her grand delusion.
8 minutes ago, Yours Truly said:I believe Tom offers what Lu truly wants which doesn't necessarily meet the traditional format. What I'm saying is the women are going on and on with this narrative that Lu is going to get blindsided or hurt by Tom when in reality they know that it's also very likely that Lu is just as happy with an open arrangement as well. For some reason the words need to be said out loud and that's the part that infuriates me. This need to FORCE something out of someone else is just insanely ridiculous.
My motto in life is, unless you've:
-Taken money out of my pocket, hence my ability to put food on the table and feed my child
-Put hands on my child
-Slept with my husband
-Jeopardized my livelihood
Then....... Whatever!! I may have grievances with you. I may have conflict with you. You may annoy the fuck outta me but at the end of the day there's nothing left to do but to shrug your shoulders and keep it moving. I mean I may have words with you, we may get into it from time to time but I ain't gonna be that invested in anything beyond our immediate interactions. Your love life ain't gonna matter that much to me. You are not at my mercy or under any obligation to bend to my will. I just won't like you. I may express it in various degrees but at no time will I make it my life's work to get you to cry uncle.
It just boggles the mind quite honestly.
I think what's irritating the other women is not that Luann refuses to say that she's in an open relationship, but that she goes out of her way to say she's not, when the facts don't back it up. It goes back to the biggest and oldest complaint about Luann: she's a liar.
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2 minutes ago, Yours Truly said:
I'm so over the narration that's being forced on Lu. First episode and Ramona's already introducing it. "Lu just say you don't care about Tom's indiscretions and be honest about you guys open relationship and leave it at that". I HATE, HATE, HATE with the heat of a thousand suns this need to demand that Lu declare her relationship open in order appease THEM. I don't give a rat's ass if I do or don't have an open relationship with my significant other NO ONE has the right to demand I make open declarations about it. I don't care if you come visit me in my home and see me enjoying a cup of coffee in the the living then see a disheveled Tom and Jane emerge from the bedroom as I offer them coffee. I am under no obligation to then join a group of women to have lunch and discuss what goes on in my relationship in the terms others have dictated. I'm as so sick of these women trying to force Lu to "say the words". WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY??? For the love of all that is holy. She bugs. And? Roll your eyes, Let. It. Go. and Move on! Thing is I do think she is happy and has what she wants and what annoys the crap out of me is that I believe the other women understand that too.
Honestly I personally think that the haterade is strong because Lu snagged the exact situation she wanted. A partner with the same tendencies, in the same place in their lives where they still have a wild kick to them but also understand it's time to start considering the future and compatibility in rest of their lives companions. I do think that Lu knows exactly what she's done and I think it was a mutual decision. What the others can't stand is that she's found such a set up that meets her needs. I think it's the part where it seems both her and Tom are getting their cake and eating it too.
As for what Lu presents or puts out there. Well I think she is genuinely giddy and happy. I don't think she's pretending. I think the strain and the discomfort comes from the constant scrutiny and the risk that the inquiries and intrusions just may ruin her comfy arrangement. I also think the only reason everyone has to be subjected to the extra nauseating display is because Lu has to always put on a mask with them because she knows they are gunning for her. Plus she's always being cornered about her relationship so of course she's gonna spout the rehearsed 4 phrases she will repeat cause I doubt she feels there's any purpose in actually getting to detailed with her responses cause she knows they are going to stick with the same narrative over and over again so why bother.
I really don't want to keep seeing them go after Lu's relationship with Tom ALL season. It was cringeworthy last season and that was more than enough. I have no desire to see women continuously attacking a women over her choice in mate. Women who aren't even close to her. It's so ridiculous that this is even a thing.
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Which "she" are you referring to? ("...Lu snagged the exact situation she wanted.")
17 hours ago, biakbiak said:It would me because she doesn't fit his age requirements and doesn't fit other parts of his typical type.
Plus the fact that Sonja is a known liar/exaggerator.
While I also doubt anything Sonja says about famous people she's supposedly known/partied with/slept with/been friends with, she and Albert aren't a crazy combo. She's 6 years younger than he is. And, though his wife is much younger than Sonja, they actually do look quite similar.
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3 minutes ago, Normades said:
When I see Ramona with all her insanity and horrible plastic surgery, I picture Mario laying in bed with some sweet young thing sipping wine and laughing his ass off. I don't condone what he did, but I don't know how he lived with that nutter for so long. He must feel like a man who was released from a life term in prison. I'll bet he doesn't even mind paying any settlement. As a wise person once told me: Do you know why divorce is so expensive? Because it's worth it!
I think Ramona looks great. She doesn't look to me like she's had anything done. And I believe Ramona is, and always has been, the money in that marriage. If anyone is paying a settlement, it would be Ramona to Mario, not the other way around. But considering Mario's very public philandering, I doubt he walked away with much, if anything. It's amazing how quickly "sweet young things" disappear when an old guy has no cash.
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10 hours ago, sasha206 said:
Those were pictures of her old face. The less plump face.
And the old photos of her face clearly had injectibles. It's an obvious, indescribable look. I don't think she's had massive work done like a KIm Z. Just saying that her face is clearly much more plump than when the show started (but still thin in body) and it has the "filler face" look.
This was from a few weeks ago. Does that look like the all natural face of a 53 year old?
Yes, it is. She looks pretty much like all my contemporaries.
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19 minutes ago, biakbiak said:
Her lower teeth are fairly uneven though thanks to her massive overbite they are often hidden.
If you can't see them, I'm wondering why anyone would complain about them.
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7 minutes ago, sasha206 said:
I don't think her new face resembles much of old face. And old face in this photo is also full of injectibles and botox.
Your face doesn't get more full as you age without weight gain or help from your dermatologist. It's pretty obvious she's got a face full of fillers.
I'm sorry, but I don't see it.
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2 hours ago, Trooper York said:
Actually Carole definitely resembles a ho.
One you would find in a derlict barn in the Berkshires.
Long and skinny with lots of uneven teeth.
Can you point out the uneven ones? Because I'm not seeing them. (P.S., that's a rake.)
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6 minutes ago, sasha206 said:
She may not have had plastic surgery, but her face is barely movable these days and clearly filled with injectibles. She doesn't look like this same person she did when the show started.
I do love her hair and I think she looks great but she needs to ease up on the injectibles because it is giving her face the Mama Elsa look.
Okay, I just pulled it up again to see if I was missing something, and I just don't see it. I don't think she's done or injected anything.
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Just now, Neurochick said:
So far it seems all Kathryn did was physically give birth to her children. Hopefully that will change in the future and she'll really BE a mother.
We only see what we're shown. So far, there's been nothing on the show to suggest that Kathryn is anything other than a good and caring mother. If she's ever abused or neglected her children, it's certainly never been portrayed on camera, and I don't even think Thomas has ever said she's anything other than a good mother.
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36 minutes ago, Neurochick said:
You have a point there. I was shocked when Landon said she was 35
I think most of these people suck. I wonder if any of these folks would be as wealthy as they, are if their ancestors had to actually pay the people who did their shit work for them, meaning their slaves.
So much for Southern gentlemen.
Gee, forgive me for making a mistake, didn't know you loved Kathryn so much.
I don't have to love Kathryn to recognize her as a mother.
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10 hours ago, seasick said:
I'm no fan of Carole, but maybe I'm softening a bit. She does admit that her relationship is what it is for today--not a fairy tale romance but it fills a need for now. I dated a younger guy for a short bit and although he played drums on the dashboard of my car, he brought me coffee in bed so I dealt with it as long as possible.
As for her plastic surgery --I'm a woman in my 60's now and I'm considering a little "updating'. It's between a rock and a hard place because the signs of cosmetic surgery does--in it's own way--betray one's aging. I spent much of this episode pausing and staring at their faces trying to see exactly what I was seeing. I enjoyed looking at Dorinda's face for its (I'm supposing) authenticity. A real face is so rare now. it's actually fascinating.
I don't think Carole's surgery is about keeping Adam. Some people age with a beauty. I'm not in that category and either is Carole. There is 'ugly old' and I'd like to not deal with that. Even if people can tell I've had some work they're not going to see my 'Dorian Gray' side, so I'm okay with it. The sun sets regardless.
I don't think Carole's had anything done to her face. Whenever a woman is over a certain age, people start grinning and winking about all the surgery she's supposedly had done. If she looks too good -- surgery; if she looks too bad -- surgery. Hell, I remember when Bethenny was pregnant and some asshat called into WWHL and made some idiotic remark alluding to what he believed to be Bethenny's secret face job when, in fact, her face was just altered from pregnancy and went right back to normal after delivery. Take a look at this bit of lunacy: http://latestplasticsurgery.com/carole-radziwill-plastic-surgery-before-and-after-photos/ They show a photo of Carole as a teen, side by side with a photo of her in her 50s, and claim she's had plastic surgery because the photos don't look identical. For one thing, the photos do, in fact, look pretty much identical. For another, everyone's face changes when they age (and if you're middle aged and still have the face you had as a teenager, call HSN and start selling that shit.) It's just all so silly. I think Carole looks exactly as she always has.
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This is very interesting:
That doesn't prove he was or wasn't seeing Dorit while still married to his wife. It just means they condom they were using at the time broke 1 & 1/2 years after his wife went back to the UK.
This is very interesting: http://globalinsolvency.com/sites/all/files/kemsley_-_petition_-_no._1.pdf
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Sorry, moved this to the PK/Dorit thread.
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Apparently very expensive: http://www.eonline.com/news/841784/erika-jayne-reveals-it-costs-40-000-a-month-to-be-her
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2 hours ago, bichonblitz said:
Exactly, she didn't make 7 million. She sold it for 7 million. Anybody know what she paid for it and if she had a mortgage to pay off? No doubt she made a nice profit. That's the beauty of real estate in NYC. You could sell a peice of crap shoebox apartment that's falling apart and still make a profit. But Bethenny making 7 million. No, not even close.
None of this is coming from Bethenny. She never claimed she was making a $7 million profit. In fact, she said very clearly on this episode that she was likely going to lose millions she put into the place but she didn't care, because she just wanted it gone. Her exact words were: "I haven't seen the apartment since it's been staged; I don't care how beautiful the apartment looks; the millions of dollars I spent, I don't even care -- I want to sell it and just get rid of it." And when Fredrik called to tell her he had a full ask offer, all cash, he said "Call the bank and tell them to make room in the bank vaults because that money's coming" and Bethenny replies, "Believe me, there's a hole it will fill." That certainly suggests to me that the money was going against debt, as does her subsequent comment, when she's checking off ways pieces of her life are falling place: "Sell massive apartment that's been a money pit for the last four years: check!" I'd be pretty thrilled in that situation, too, especially when it didn't even take a day to unload. But she never claimed she was getting a windfall from this.
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I wouldn't get too excited about the new and improved Sonja just yet. The fact that she's giving away pants that she claims she often wears "on the yacht" -- you know, her non-existent yacht -- tells me that she's still as delusional as ever.
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53 minutes ago, AndySmith said:
Or, controversial thoughts: Ericka is actually happy with whatever arrangement she has with Tom, and Harry actually loves Lisa despite her flaws.
Erika doesn't act like someone in a happy marriage. In fact, she very much acts like someone who hasn't been laid in a very long time. And I'm not just saying that in a flip way, like, "Oh, honey, you just need to get laid!" I mean I was seriously thinking about this during the meltdown in Hong Kong and so many times with her, really. She seems like a frustrated, under-loved person who has a low-grade jealousy always rumbling just under the surface as she's dealing with all these women in more traditional marriages. I don't know what kind of arrangement she has with her husband, but I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't include regular/satisfying sex, or a pass to take lovers on the side. I think this sexually explicit alter ego of hers is just her way of playing out on stage what she's not living off stage. I could be wildly wrong about this, of course, but it's definitely the vibe I get from her.
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2 hours ago, UsernameFatigue said:
PK's kids were 16, 11, and 10 when they and his first wife moved back to the UK. Dorit was pregnant with Jagger in June-ish of 2013, he was born in March 2014. So yes, it is certainly quite possible that Dorit was in the picture before his wife moved back to the UK. Either way though, PK didn't follow her so had no problem with his children being on the other side of the world. So even if Dorit didn't break up PK's marriage, he apparently had no problem moving on from family #1 to family #2. No reason he might not at some point leave family #2 for family #3.
I think there's a big difference between knowing that someone did something and knowing that they had no problem doing it. We don't know why PK's marriage ended. We don't know why he didn't go back to the UK with his wife and kids. We don't know how he felt/feels about being separated from them. For all I know, PK's first wife was driving these decisions and PK has had a miserable time of it and is determined to never go through that again.
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4 hours ago, CatMomma said:
This. There is a huge difference between hearing about the pups and actually SEEING them. It's one of the reasons the SPCA ads are so effective. Put a face to something and it makes all the difference.
I actually think those ads are a mistake. I turn the channel the second they come on.
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S04.E01: While the Kat's Away…
in Southern Charm
And why in the world would you? I find it disturbing that people actually seem excited at the thought that there could be something wrong with this kid. The boy looks perfectly fine to me, as he does to my husband, who is a physician.