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12 minutes ago, rmontro said:
? That was more than just a peck they were sharing. And speaking of sharing, apparently the characters don't mind doing that, at least when it comes to Archie.
They kissed once. It was short and they didn’t go in for more? I don’t know why this is being exaggerated or why the scene is not being spoken about in context. Betty and Archie felt bad for their friend Veronica and wanted to make her feel better. That was the purpose of Betty coming up with the idea. It was all to show a friendship, which was why Veronica called them her best friends and thanked them. There was nothing about those scenes that gave the impression of betrayal or cheating to come.
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2 hours ago, Chicago Redshirt said:
The reason given for Archie and Veronica not working is that Veronica wanted to go for big city NY life and Archie wouldn't give up RIverdale.
Veronica can lightswitch to loving Riverdale and thus being able to get over her love for NY.
Or, if this power switch is semi-permanent, Veronica could come to grips that in addition to having Archie as her first love, and then her second love, he is the only one she can safely sleep with.
I agree that's a weak reason to be get together with him.
But the fact that they have the compatible physical powers as shown this episode may be the way that TPTB are teasing Varchie. Given the love of CW love triangles/rectangles/other geometric figures, it's entirely possible that we will see a Betty/Archie/Veronica triangle, a Jughead/Tabitha/Betty triangle etc etc.
What you’re suggesting are rewrites, which can happen. However, it doesn’t take into consideration that Archie loves Betty. It’s not about Veronica changing her mind or needing Archie to sleep with her. That’s more than weak reasons. It’s using Archie as some object for Veronica. Moreover, to have teased triangles, Betty shouldn’t have been the one who came up with the idea out of friendship. She wouldn’t have been present in that scene. Archie was not cheating and there was not the impression that this will happen in the future. I fail to see a Jughead/Tabitha/Betty triangle because Betty has shown no interest in Jughead.
2 hours ago, rmontro said:Also interesting how one minute Archie is hoping for a child and a future with Betty, then the next he's making out with Veronica because... because he can, I guess.
That’s not what happened. No one made out and he was not interested in Veronica romantically.
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4 minutes ago, the-grey-lady said:
Don't assume what I'm assuming or dismissing. It's rude.
And I'm not required to agree with you about what we've seen on screen.
I’m not being rude to you. I never said you need to agree, but Archie and Veronica were shown not to work and that’s what happened in Season 5? Whether this is changed down the line does not mean it didn’t happen this way. I’m not making a plot up.
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8 minutes ago, the-grey-lady said:
We disagree on this point.
I think the connection between their powers was quite intentionally pointed, and the writers are setting up a Varchie reunion in the future.
It doesn’t matter whether you agree with me, it’s what developed. You can believe a Varchie reunion is coming, but there is nothing that supports this through the characters. Archie has not been written as wanting to be with Veronica or being in love with her. Veronica not being able to kill him with sex doesn’t change that. Furthermore, you’re dismissing that Veronica’s powers are a way to push her being independent and on her own. It was not a set up to lead to Archie. You’re assuming everyones powers will never fade, too.
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59 minutes ago, the-grey-lady said:
LOL, what a great line. 😂
Yeah, that connection between their powers felt pretty pointed. Not subtle.
Archie and Veronica don’t work, though. There were reasons for that which was shown. Forcing them together because of sex is not a reason why two people should be together. Thankfully I am certain this was not a point anyone was making. There were countless ways to have teased Varchie if that was what was intended and they didn’t show it like that. It was a plot that cemented friendship between three parties.
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On 5/16/2022 at 11:15 AM, Affogato said:
Yeah, I thought Reggie was a good match for Veronica. Now, if she has any moral fiber, she will end up alone.
Sheesh. The lipstick.
I don’t think Reggie and Veronica are done. It’s very enemies to lovers.
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1 hour ago, tennisgurl said:
So was having a bunch of flashbacks to Bughead scenes and having Archie kiss Veronica shameless pandering to shippers or was it actual foreshadowing of who is going to end up getting together by the end of the season?
I would lean towards pandering to their shippers. Context is important. Archie didn’t kiss Veronica on his own, it was Betty’s brainchild, they did out of friendship for Veronica, and Betty was present. There was no romantic foreshadowing that Archie wants to be with Veronica at all. In actuality, it felt like Varchie was wrapped up. There is no story I see, in my opinion. I’m intrigued with the Bughead flashbacks because it’s Jughead having them, not Betty. Could it bring Jughead/Tabitha some angst like in Rivervale where they ended up saying they loved one another?
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7 hours ago, the-grey-lady said:
Definitely, but there's no denying that people get attached to characters and couples, and people got attached to the original couples. Without them, a lot of people have lost interest.
Would reuniting them help ratings? Some, probably. But having them gone, and replacing them with the current dreck, is almost certainly contributing to the putrid ratings (not suggesting they're the sole reason).
Archie and Veronica were together in Season 5 and did not impact the ratings. We can agree to disagree on this because none of it matters. The show will go on. People get attached to characters and couples all the time and sometimes we win and sometimes we lose.
6 hours ago, rmontro said:Archie/Veronica was a darn sight better than Reggie/Veronica. I've always thought the show should make Reggie more of a main character, but as it is he's just getting dominated by Veronica. He'll never be more than a sidekick for her.
Anyway, I'm not suggesting they bring back the old couples, or that the loss of the more popular couples are the reason the show is tanking. But I do believe it's a factor.
There are a lot of factors to this all around. People lost interest during the early seasons too.
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3 hours ago, the-grey-lady said:
Of course not everyone liked them, but they were the most popular, enduring couples were years. They certainly had/have more fans than Veggie, Jabitha, and Tangs. It makes sense a lot of viewers dipped out when more popular ships were replaced with less popular ones.
Archie/Veronica were never the popular ship. This popularity contest doesn’t matter though because these ships will not change the television ratings. There is a lot more that goes into a decline in viewership than who is dating. As I said, the decline happened seasons ago. It has been steadily dropping as those couples were dating.
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On 4/8/2022 at 3:53 PM, rmontro said:
I like the Riverdale crazy, but they may have bizarred themselves out of their viewership. At some point it gets hard to relate to. Getting away from the Betty/Jughead, Veronica/Archie couples might have also hurt. People accepted those pairings, and now everything seems more muddled.
The television ratings started to decline while those couples were together. I understand they have their fans, but those fans do not represent the entire audience. Everyone was not watching for Betty/Jughead and Archie/Veronica. Those ships will not change the ratings.
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1 hour ago, rmontro said:
I think one problem lies in all the fantasy stuff. There's a feeling that these are just stories with no real consequences, because there will be a reset coming (I don't know if there will be a reset or not, but that's the feeling you get watching it).
I don’t get the feeling there will be any reset. That seems like wishful thinking from those who want things to be the way they were before.
On 4/6/2022 at 10:25 PM, the-grey-lady said:Oh, definitely. No doubt. But going from over 1mil viewers to less than 200k is a rather precipitous drop. Even The Flash does better, and it's in season 8.
And of course some viewers like the show now (didn't mean to imply otherwise), but such a large drop in viewership is a clear indication that a lot of former viewers do not the direction of the show.
That drop didn’t happen overnight, it was over time. Many factors go into why people may have tuned out and The Flash viewers are not one in the same as Riverdale viewers. Anyway, nothing specific is powerful enough to fix the television ratings even if former viewers think certain ships or stories would do that.
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19 hours ago, the-grey-lady said:
It's fairly obvious viewers don't like the story. If they did, they'd be watching.
You're absolutely right that season 7 will happen, and the writers will do...whatever they're planning to do.
Television ratings don't matter like they used to, but they still matter. Advertising revenue still matters.
Viewers is a broad term. Not all viewers dislike the story and not all viewers are watching live. They stream or they watch on Netflix. If we talk about television ratings we would have to talk about how they started to decline years ago, as well.
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6 hours ago, the-grey-lady said:
Sure, but there's no way to spin these numbers as anything other than putrid. They lost 60k viewers in the span of two weeks. People know when the show is on now, and they aren't interested. The Flash is in what, season 8, and a lot more people are tuning in. They're average more than twice Riverdale's viewership.
The television ratings aren’t relevant, though. That’s not spin, it’s a fact. That’s not what matters to The CW because Riverdale is on air and will come back for what is likely a last Season 7. I think you want to make a point that all these viewers don’t like the story, but it doesn’t matter. The show will go on and end as planned.
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1 hour ago, the-grey-lady said:
I think they had one good love scene.
The others have been tepid, and they seem like frat bros now (my opinion only, of course). I've never seen them as having a romantic spark, and they've never seemed compatible.
I don’t know what you’ve seen from frat brothers but that’s not how Betty and Archie behave. They are romantic whether or not you see it. They’ve had a physical spark that’s far from tepid and an emotional spark. If you’ve never seen a romantic spark or don’t think they’re compatible (which they are) nothing will change your mind now.
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On 4/4/2022 at 2:25 PM, tennisgurl said:
so why is all this weird crap still happening?
Because that’s the genre of Riverdale now.
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6 hours ago, the-grey-lady said:
Geez, this show is doing terribly. Didn't even crack 200k viewers this week. A whole 180k people watched. Viewers do not like what they're seeing, and they are not tuning it. How embarrassing.
It moved to Sundays. It is in Season 6. That’s not where the show receives it’s main viewership, regardless.
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6 hours ago, tennisgurl said:
Betty and Archie just have no spark to me, they still seem like buddies and not boyfriend/girlfriend. I was totally over Veronica/Archie by the end, but at least I bought them as a romantic couple. Betty and Archie seem more like they're going to fist bump at the end of every scene, not kiss.
Betty and Archie have some of the hottest sex scenes. I don’t see buddies or fist bumping because they have transitioned to more than a sexual relationship. They have plenty of spark and chemistry as a romantic couple.
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3 hours ago, the-grey-lady said:
Just opinions, of course, all my own.
It’s all someone’s perspective and opinion. Chemistry is what we see with our own eyes, sometimes people see it, sometimes they don’t. However, people easily say there’s “no chemistry” when they don’t like a specific pairing. You can dislike a couple and they can have chemistry! Most people I see who say the couples now don’t have chemistry are either Bughead or Varchie fans. It’s no coincidence.
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On 3/27/2022 at 7:25 PM, the-grey-lady said:
None of the current couples have a lick of chemistry
A lot of the past couples didn’t have much chemistry. It was getting old, too, I am glad someone out there recognized that. Whether a couple has a larger fandom doesn’t matter. Betty and Jughead fans aren’t the final say as to whether Betty and Archie have chemistry.
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Betty and Archie have loads of chemistry and I love watching them. It’s been super fun watching their dynamic, in my opinion. It’s playful and exciting. The story is bonkers, which makes it even more of a trip. They have a nice balance of being grounded within it, though. I can’t wait to see more.
15 hours ago, Chaos Theory said:Yeah the guy was the town supervillain but Veronica has been a friend to them so making an appearance for her sake was something Archie and Betty at least should have done.
I don’t agree. Hiram almost killed them.
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On 12/15/2021 at 3:21 PM, Artsda said:
I enjoyed they brought Reggie #1 back to show the double universes. Also all the old characters like Betty's dad, Cheryl's brother and other dead people.
So is universe 2 Jughead the one there? I hope this moves on the old pairs. I'm liking Barchie and Veronica/Reggie.
Barchie is the breath of fresh air I wanted for many years. I’m happy they’re sticking around this time. I’m excited for new episodes (and I never thought I would say that again, ha!)
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Happily will be tuning back in now that Betty and Archie are back together. They have freaking excellent chemistry. There is so much story left to be told there, too. I’m glad the writers saw that.
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17 hours ago, Artsda said:
Not sure what the point is of a time jump and slapping same old characters together. Betty and Archie were actually having potential. Seeing Veronica navigate a marriage.
Same. The time jump was holding my interest. I liked Betty and Archie, the chemistry was exciting, it’s a shame they had to go back to their tired routine so soon. It seems like an utter waste. To be honest, if that was the end of the road for new ideas, it’s probably best for the show to retire. I’m not sure what else they want to do.
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54 minutes ago, truthaboutluv said:
but you almost got the sense that somehow that point escaped him.
I don’t think the point escaped him moreso than his feelings are overwhelming him at the moment. He just finished writing this song about her and his mind can’t understand how he can feel these things for Betty but be in love with Veronica. That’s why he looked confused and upset. That’s why he said “then what’s this all about” aka “why do I feel these things for you?”
54 minutes ago, truthaboutluv said:Yeah I guess one can romanticize that it's because his heart has always belonged to Betty and so all of these people were just stops along his journey to his great love. But yeah, sure...okay.
I mean, this is likely the point. At the end of the day, it’s either Betty or Veronica.
54 minutes ago, truthaboutluv said:eta: I will say that Archie's flakiness actually sort of makes him the most believable as a teenager. Because really, these relationships shouldn't be these over the top, intense, "you are the love of my life" shit. Unfortunately, that over the top, intense, endgame crap is the lifeblood of teen shows, especially the ones the CW churn out.
I completely agree. My main problem with Riverdale from the jump was them behaving as if Bughead and Varchie were 35 years old and have signed blood contracts to be together until the afterlife. It was beyond time to introduce something new, love it or hate it.
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S06.E14: Chapter One Hundred and Nine: Venomous
in Riverdale
· Edited by HeatLifer
I think if they wanted to go hard with a triangle they wouldn’t have made it into a display of friendship in this episode. I’m confident Veronica and Archie will not be behaving romantically or the plot would have been significantly different.