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FREE BERTIE.
The rest of this show should be buried somewhere and never see the light of day again.
Paul Rust and Lesley Arfin should spend a few days watching You're the Worst and then do some serious thinking about whether they have anything to offer that hasn't been done 100 times better over there already. The 10 episodes worth of evidence so far would indicate that they do not. It's foul. And it's also sort of shockingly amateurish. (The Witchita showrunner character? She's written so broad it's like she's dropped in from a Saved By the Bell-type show.)
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I came here specifically for still photos of Matthew Goode in his driving goggles. Tara, you did not disappoint. Vroom indeed.
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It's so classic: I'm just going to stand here in a floor-length gown and belt it out. Sure, I have some frills like an all-girl orchestra floating in the sky, but basically it's just stand and deliver.
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The timeline of this episode is INSANE.
I mean, I know every lawyer show takes great liberties with starting a trial the day after they get a case and also how a deposition goes for like 10 minutes on one day and then they all leave and come back for 10 minutes on another day. But this arbitration hearing with Colosseum was next-level weird, happening in some time-out-of-time parallel universe, finding new witnesses, traveling back and forth to Michigan -- and all the while the Cary-Diane-Howard meeting was also still going on over at their firm.
It's hard to pay attention when all I can think about is trying to track how many days or weeks have gone by.
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Prediction, if the trend holds: in her next show a few years from now, Calista Flockhart will play a character named, I don't know, Pussycat? Housecat? Cougar? Something in the feline family, obviously.
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I think this was in response to my comment? I respect everything you're saying, and I think it's smart and good and completely on point for how the Scandal writers were using the phrase dog whistle politics. My point is that they didn't make up that phrase; it's a thing that already exists in the world and has an established meaning, and its established meaning is not what the show said it was.I disagree with that, actually, because it presumes people intend to be racists/sexists more than racism/sexism is institutionalized or ingrained.
Also, while I think you make a good point about institutional racism being as harmful as intentional bigotry, I do think that in the show Marcus was in fact accusing the various media outlets of intentionally using all those code words about Olivia to say "look! the real scandal here is that the president has a black mistress!"
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I love the focus on the coded language stuff, but are we all just ignoring the fact that they got the definition of dog whistle politics wrong??
When people sound a dog whistle, the audience who is intended to hear the whislte is not the person being talked about, but the people who think like the speaker. When someone says racist things in coded language, the people who are supposed to be able to hear that and pick up the real meaning are the other people who know the code -- that is, other people who share those racists beliefs. The whole point of it is so that people can say things that sound innocuous on their face, but they are able to convey the real meaning to the rest of their group.
Pedant out.
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Jane Levy! Busy Phillips!
Damn, these are good suggestions.
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My current feeling on the Joanna scene is that Tyrell and Elliot-in-Mr. Robot-mode together confronted her during the missing three days, saying "crazy" stuff. Now that "Ollie" is acting like he doesn't know her, she wonders what else he's done with/to Tyrell.
This seems right to me. There was definitely an undercurrent in their interaction, and I think this is a better reading of it than as a suggestion that Tyrell is an Elliot identity. I think the show has conclusively shown us that is not the case (there's no getting around that scene with Tyrell's assistant, for one thing). I do think that Joanna's reaction to Elliot indicates that this was not the first time she's seen Elliot's face, and the way she was testing him about whether he's seen Tyrell during the last three days probably means she knows he has because she saw them together sometime during Elliot's missing time.
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It's really daring of the show to take the climactic action of the whole season -- fsociety executing the hack -- and not show it to us. I mean, I guess it would just be a scene of somebody typing some things on a keyboard? But still, they've managed to make plenty of scenes like that dramatic.
I get that the point is to put us in the same position as Elliott (right?), but still, daring. I'm not sure it worked, but I admire the risk.
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Boy I hated that last scene, and I hate the idea that the show is going in the direction of a shadowy conspiracy. To me, it undercuts so much of what has been exciting about the show's critique of capitalism. It's so much less interesting -- and so much sillier -- if the evil is the product of a coordinated effort of a group of rich men sitting around together in a dark room with a roaring fire, a harpist, and champagne. The much bleaker reality was presented so well in the conversation Terry Colby had with Angela when he described the meeting in which the decision was made to go forward with the actions that led to her mother's death.
I guess an evil cabal is easier to dramatize on a tv show than the cumulative effect of all the independent decisions made in a system that incentivizes greed. But god, it just makes me roll my eyes. I've never enjoyed (or even bothered to follow) a vast global conspiracy storyline -- I lost interest in the X Files, in Alias, and I will lose interest here with a quickness.
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Sooooo, now that we know the finale includes a scene of someone being shot on live tv, what's the speculation on what those circumstances are?
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God, an entire episode taking place at a party where they all have to yell at each other over the party noise is torture to watch.
That "you don't have kids" crack by LuAnn is maybe the cruelest thing I can remember one Housewife saying to another. Just for the fact that she so obviously considered it an insult. I mean, she was basically just repeating what Carole had just said, but saying it in a way that made it clear she thinks it's a deep cut. Before the last few episodes, I wouldn't have thought that would possibly even hurt Carole's feelings, but with all the thinking she's been doing about her husband recently, I think we've seen that she was thinking about what might have been. Worst possible time for someone to make that dig.
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How do they find out what Sonja needs, model wise, and help her without asking questions and then how do they do it "off camera" during filming? They know that had they asked Sonja to step out of the room so they could have a word with her the cameras and sound boom would have followed them to wherever they went to record them. If Sonja only wanted "yes women" nodding in agreement, then why didn't she tell them via phone or text this before they went to the meeting? Again, shame, SHAME on Heather and Bethenny for taking Sonja's request for their help seriously! LOL
Especially when Sonja showed up late to the meeting! You want to have an off-camera chit-chat, get there before the cameras are rolling, sister.
With all the back-and-forth that's gone on in this discussion board, it seems like we've lost track of the fact that all Heather askedwas essentially, "Sonja, I've never seen your clothes and I don't know what they look like. What are they like?" She phrased it differently, but "who do you hang with" was just a different way of saying "what's the vibe of your collection, give me an idea of what it's like by comparing it to something I know." All this talk about marketing strategy and comparing maps of specific high-end retailers seems, in my opinion, to be missing the point. The TERRIBLY UNSUPPORTIVE, UNDERMINING, FRENEMY thing that Heather did was just ask Sonja and her team to describe the clothes a little so she would have some idea in mind of what the models would be wearing. Sonja had rejected the first model as not looking right for her clothes, so to ask what those clothes are like seems perfectly reasonable -- oh, you're going for a certain look, what is that look? The fact that such a basic, innocent question ended up making Sonja & Co look foolish because they couldn't answer it is not the fault of the person who asked the question.
The other TERRIBLE thing that was done to Sonja in that meeting was Bethenny telling her not to reject the models while the models were still in the room. Which is basically the same thing as telling Ramona not to say "he's a bartender" in front of the bartender. Don't be rude to people's faces. That's just basic human decency, and I sure wouldn't want to sit next to my friend and nod along as she was being that rude.
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Then why'd she pick these two? Why didn't she ask her bestie, Ramona, or LuAnn, her longtime friend and likely Gstaad demographic, or her swami? She asked Heather and Bethenny because of their expertise and experience, and they came willing to help. If the amateurs or con artists in the room felt affronted or unsupported, that's on them.
Yup. If she wanted someone to talk nonsense about how great everything was, I'm sure Ramona was free. She asked Heather and Bethenny to lend credibility to her enterprise. If they had done nothing but tell her she's great, they wouldn't have been lending credibility, and they also would have been making themselves look bad by participating in amateur hour, which I don't blame them at all for not being willing to do.
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I don't work in anything to do with clothing but in my business--and I suspect this is true of almost all types of work--you can often spot the amateur by their dismissal of basic professional questions in just this way.
YES, EXACTLY.
This has always been the problem when Heather, and now Heather and Bethenny, have tried to help Sonja. Sonja doesn't know much, and she has never been interested in learning what she doesn't know. Every basic piece of business advice or assistance that Heather or Bethenny attempts to give her sounds like criticism to her. There's always been a fundamental disconnect between Sonja, who wants "support" and "help" of the empty, vague "you go, girl" variety, and the more legitimate, knowledgeable businesspeople who think the way to help her is to try to educate her. She just rejects the idea that she has anything to learn, so actual advice is never going to land.
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I especially loved the part when Ramona offered to pay and Bethenny took her up on the offer. BTW Bethenny said that one dress was 500 and the other one was 45 hundred meaning 4500 , did I hear that correctly?
I would love to know if Ramona has effectively pay for both dresses, all Ramona has to do it is say it and show the check.
I heard $500 and $485 for the prices of the two dresses.
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In response to people criticizing Bethenny for bringing up the stolen dresses because it's an old issue, I'd point out two things:
(1) When it came up at the beginning of the season, it was clear that Bethenny was annoyed by it, but she was letting it go so as not to start out her return to the show with a fight about something. But now that she has a reason to let Ramona have it, she might as well bring this up too. Especially because
(2) It's a perfect thing to call Ramona out on, because it can't be squirmed out of. There are actual physical objects at issue, and actual cash money. Unlike 95% of housewives disputes, it is zero percent based on "I heard from someone else you said this thing, and I question your motives in saying it and Girl Code blah blah." There's nobody else involved, there's no argument to interpret and reinterpret, there's no spin. She either has the dresses or she doesn't.
In my opinion, Bethenny calling Ramona's bluff on writing a check, and Ramona picking up her purse then putting it down again when she hears the amount is a great moment in the annals of Real Housewives justice.
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It's like I thought I would never love again after Parks & Rec, but this show taught me that my life will go on. I dvr-ed the marathon this weekend and rewatched the whole thing. It's just so good.
Honestly, between this and Mr. Robot, if I was allowed to watch only one network this summer, I would pick USA without a second thought and be perfectly satisfied.
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Having Michael Rappaport on with her was an inspired move. I actually wish he was on the show in some capacity. His energy is that of a male Bethenny.
That was a truly great pairing. He has a knack for speaking truth to crazy, it looks like.
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What would have been funny is if, when Carole showed up to retrieve her husband's remains, the priest said, "What Remains?"
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When Amantha packed a bag to go to management training camp, in the year of our Lord 2015, she chose to pack a pair of mismatched hairclips (which I rewound twice to verify weren't chip clips from Thrifty Town's kitchen aisle; although at least one of them was Thrifty Town green) and a pair of feather earrings. She made a decision ahead of time to pack those things so she could on purpose wear them later. I mean, she wore FEATHER EARRINGS and they were only the SECOND most insane accessory she wore that day. And that day ended with taking Michael Vartan to her bed.
Bow down.
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There's going to have to be a pretty major [something, I don't know what] to convince me that the Shayla-drug-dealer-in-prison subplot is a worthwhile part of the show. There's enough going on without that. The other moving parts are all related to what I think is the main storyline -- Elliot and fsociety hacking E Corp to change the world. Prison guy seems like a pointless sideshow, at least so far.
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This is probably not even worth discussing, because Bravo will never really do it, but I do wish they could have a bit more confidence in the women themselves, to be interesting.
Absolutely. I feel genuinely glad for Dorinda and Carole for meeting each other and being able to talk about their husbands' deaths. Carole is not only interesting in talking about her own life, but she seems insightful about the stage of grief that Dorinda is in. That is fascinating. People are interesting! And it doesn't have to be heavy, either. One of my favorite ever Housewives scenes was earlier this season, Sonja was working out with a trainer in her bathroom. People are interesting!
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S04.E06: Physics
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Guys, Foulkes was the prosecutor who convicted Daniel in the first place. That's how he got to be Senator Foulkes -- Daniel's conviction was the springboard to Foulkes's political career. So he can't ever let that conviction be questioned. Back in season 1, that was the huge roadblock to any further investigation of the other guys.