S09.E10: From Turkey With Love

[teapot]

1 minute ago, eleanorofaquitaine said:

I'm in Boston, though it sounds like I have to check it out for my next trip to NYC. 

 

howdy, neighbor.  there's  a Sugar Factory at Foxwoods Resort & Casino if you're ever there, also (closer to us than NYC)

[TV Diva Queen]

23 minutes ago, ZaldamoWilder said:

Exactly how I heard it too.  It even looked as though, without a crowd to amp her up and with just her and one other person, using their inside voices, Tre comes really close to being rational.  I mean then she'll say something loopy af to let you know she's still in there but she's not this screaming, spittle faced, lunatic we see when more than 2 people are present.  It's nice. lol. 

Yeah, I liked when she got him together for his comments.  He's not used to saying I'm sorry for hurting your feelings to his wife, huh?  It made wonder whether or not either of them went to college for their kids futures not to really include it as a probability.   Who knows, maybe they're slushy enough that generational wealth will be no problem and if so, mazel, but for most parents, is it me, doesn't a hypothetical talk about future normally include the assumption of school? 

p.s. if you're near the NYC area and all caught up on your dental plan deductibles, that sugar factory experience is kinda cute.  It's no giant pretzel on a coat hanger but the kids would love it.  

Exactly how I heard it too.  It even looked as though, without a crowd to amp her up and with just her and one other person, using their inside voices, Tre comes really close to being rational.  I mean then she'll say something loopy af to let you know she's still in there but she's not this screaming, spittle faced, lunatic we see when more than 2 people are present.  It's nice. lol. 

Yeah, I liked when she got him together for his comments.  He's not used to saying I'm sorry for hurting your feelings to his wife, huh?  It made wonder whether or not either of them went to college for their kids futures not to really include it as a probability.   Who knows, maybe they're slushy enough that generational wealth will be no problem and if so, mazel, but for most parents, is it me, doesn't a hypothetical talk about future normally include the assumption of school? 

p.s. if you're near the NYC area and all caught up on your dental plan deductibles, that sugar factory experience is kinda cute.  It's no giant pretzel on a coat hanger but the kids would love it.  

We have a couple in Chicago too, and unfortunately, I’m not like JGorga in that I have to look at menu prices (because I’m a grown up) and that place is crazy expensive for crap like that. Also, I think my resentment with sugar factory lies with the fact that I associate it with the kardashians. They “cut the ribbon” at the one in a suburb here. I think I remember reading that. Lol. 

[politichick]

They probably do expect their kids to go to college. Melissa has a degree in education. Gia is going to college in the fall. Joe Gorga is an uncouth ignoramus. 

I didn't mind Delores's event. She's not exactly a deep thinker and probably just wanted to treat the families for the day. Hopefully there are other volunteers or workers who help them with the bigger picture issues. My heart melted a bit when Teresa took the little boy's hand and said, "Let's go. You gotta eat something. Come on." or whatever it was.

I'm glad that Jennifer's husband said that Jackie made some valid points. It would have been very hypocritical of him to get all offended on her behalf because he has told her on air that she spoils the children and gifts should be for occasions not bribes. While I think Jackie should have given her a heads-up, I didn't think the article was that bad.

[BrindaWalsh]

Last night I searching around on Google to figure out more about Dolores and Frank.  And I swear I saw an article where it noted that Frank had been on the Giudice legal team way back when -- but now I can't find it.  Is that true?  

[LibertarianSlut]

This was a boring epi, but I liked Turkey.  I have a new respect for Jennifer that she can speak at least two languages fluently and switch back and forth between them so easily.  It's certainly a contrast from S2 Teresa not really being able to speak the tongue of Sala Consilina while not really being able to speak English either.

To pivot, I think Teresa won the episode.  (The Vulture recap of RHNYC S3 used to rank the Housewives from winner to loser, in lieu of a standard recap, and I thought that was brilliant).  She was cool, calm and collected throughout.  I dont think she should be working with that mouth-breather Frank Sr to train.  I assume that his training techniques are 20 years out of date, though I have no way of confirming this.  Also, in what universe does Frank Jr have to lose 10 lbs for his competition, but Teresa has to lose 12?!?  

I'm not going to focus very closely on the way that the rich people related to the poor people (I assume we are still allowed to characterize people as 'rich' and 'poor.'  I haven't heard that it's taboo to say that yet.  I'm like George Carlin in that I prefer not to speak in euphemism whenever I can avoid it) other than to say that I don't think it should have been televised,  I thought Dolores's approach seemed clumsy, and that no one should preach to them.  Just as no one should tell them how to make better decisions (unless they are going to assist in an instrumental way), no one should be making blanket statements that they're great mothers.  That's a little disingenuous to me.  How would anyone (outside of possibly Dolores) have the first clue as to what kind of mothers they are?  But I do think that there is a spectrum of acceptable reactions to how someone could react to the news that a juvenile had chips for breakfast, and no one landed far enough outside of that spectrum for me to judge.

I am beginning to warm to Jennifer, and I think the worst thing she does is brag, which is shades of Alexis Bellino from RHOC (aka a person who seems warm and kind, but they are guilty of the sin of talking about material possessions). My reaction is...so what?  If I knew a person like that IRL, I would just shrug them off.  At the same time I think Jackie is losing ground with me as a viewer.  I didn't like the article.  It wasn't directly insulting, but it was indirectly insulting.  No, nothing was untrue per se.  So what?  It seems like Jackie thinks she can hide behind logical-sounding arguments, but at its core, writing the article was shady.  She knows it, she did it to get screentime, which I can't fault her for trying to keep her job, but if I were Jennifer I wouldn't appreciate her smug, skinny Kim Zolciak-Biermann grin in my face upon denying what she did when she knows what she did. 

I wish someone would write an article questioning whether one can truly get over an eating disorder, drop an anecdote in the beginnning about having recently had coffee with a friend who had seemed to have recovered from an eating disorder but also appeared to have an uncannily low body fat percentage (a compliment y'all!), write a bunch of shit about health, and then end the article by stating that as they parted ways, the author just hoped that the person continued to maintain what may be a healthy body weight, and that she wouldn't have a backslide.  Does it get much more passive-aggressive?

I don't think Marge should comment on other people's marriages or kids for that matter.  The heart wants what the heart wants, and I'm not going to judge whether her pull to Joe Bengnino was worth the breakup of two(?) marriages and subsequent alienation from multiple children and step-children, but I think by doing that, Marge has officially forfeited her right to make snarky little comments about other people's marriages (at least, publicly) for life.  

That's about all I got.  Oh, of course Joe Gorga is disgusting, and can someone remind me what he actually does for a living?  Like, day to day, hour to hour, what does he do?  If I could figure that out, I could make a better assessment as to just how much bullshit he's peddling.  

It's weird to start to get pulled over to the other side, but I'm sure in the next episode, I'll have done another 180 and I'll be back to grumbling about Teresa's stupidity and excess.

[ghoulina]

5 hours ago, Stats Queen said:

I totally agree with this.  He’s an ass. If he treats Melissa like this in front of their kids and in front of the cameras, then how is he treating her when the cameras aren’t around? Never been a huge fan of Melissa, but I’m really liking her this season and I hope she puts Joe in his place by leaving or laying down the law.

She needs to do something. And soon. Treating her that way in front of the kids is setting them up to make bad choices later in life. His boys already act like miniature cocky bastards. They think this shit is totally acceptable and have no respect for their mother or sister. It's baaad news. 

53 minutes ago, LibertarianSlut said:

I am beginning to warm to Jennifer, and I think the worst thing she does is brag, which is shades of Alexis Bellino from RHOC (aka a person who seems warm and kind, but they are guilty of the sin of talking about material possessions). My reaction is...so what?  If I knew a person like that IRL, I would just shrug them off.

A bragger is annoying, but can be fun TV. I didn't really mind Alexis, just rolled my eyes at her. But Jennifer not only brags, but puts other people down. She was very snotty and rude the entire time they were in OK. She even made their hostess feel uncomfortable. Not. Cool. 

[ZaldamoWilder]

1 hour ago, TV Diva Queen said:

We have a couple in Chicago too, and unfortunately, I’m not like JGorga in that I have to look at menu prices (because I’m a grown up) and that place is crazy expensive for crap like that. Also, I think my resentment with sugar factory lies with the fact that I associate it with the kardashians. They “cut the ribbon” at the one in a suburb here. I think I remember reading that. Lol. 

It's a special occasion (the kid's birthday in this case) type of place for me here too, trust.    Ya'll remember what I said about being a sucker for food shows?  The upside down ice cream cone mountain on sparklers?  I loved it more than the children did lol.

39 minutes ago, LibertarianSlut said:

This was a boring epi, but I liked Turkey.  I have a new respect for Jennifer that she can speak at least two languages fluently and switch back and forth between them so easily.  It's certainly a contrast from S2 Teresa not really being able to speak the tongue of Sala Consilina while not really being able to speak English either.

To pivot, I think Teresa won the episode.  (The Vulture recap of RHNYC S3 used to rank the Housewives from winner to loser, in lieu of a standard recap, and I thought that was brilliant).  She was cool, calm and collected throughout.  I dont think she should be working with that mouth-breather Frank Sr to train.  I assume that his training techniques are 20 years out of date, though I have no way of confirming this.  Also, in what universe does Frank Jr have to lose 10 lbs for his competition, but Teresa has to lose 12?!?  

I'm not going to focus very closely on the way that the rich people related to the poor people (I assume we are still allowed to characterize people as 'rich' and 'poor.'  I haven't heard that it's taboo to say that yet.  I'm like George Carlin in that I prefer not to speak in euphemism whenever I can avoid it) other than to say that I don't think it should have been televised,  I thought Dolores's approach seemed clumsy, and that no one should preach to them.  Just as no one should tell them how to make better decisions (unless they are going to assist in an instrumental way), no one should be making blanket statements that they're great mothers.  That's a little disingenuous to me.  How would anyone (outside of possibly Dolores) have the first clue as to what kind of mothers they are?  But I do think that there is a spectrum of acceptable reactions to how someone could react to the news that a juvenile had chips for breakfast, and no one landed far enough outside of that spectrum for me to judge.

I am beginning to warm to Jennifer, and I think the worst thing she does is brag, which is shades of Alexis Bellino from RHOC (aka a person who seems warm and kind, but they are guilty of the sin of talking about material possessions). My reaction is...so what?  If I knew a person like that IRL, I would just shrug them off.  At the same time I think Jackie is losing ground with me as a viewer.  I didn't like the article.  It wasn't directly insulting, but it was indirectly insulting.  No, nothing was untrue per se.  So what?  It seems like Jackie thinks she can hide behind logical-sounding arguments, but at its core, writing the article was shady.  She knows it, she did it to get screentime, which I can't fault her for trying to keep her job, but if I were Jennifer I wouldn't appreciate her smug, skinny Kim Zolciak-Biermann grin in my face upon denying what she did when she knows what she did. 

I wish someone would write an article questioning whether one can truly get over an eating disorder, drop an anecdote in the beginnning about having recently had coffee with a friend who had seemed to have recovered from an eating disorder but also appeared to have an uncannily low body fat percentage (a compliment y'all!), write a bunch of shit about health, and then end the article by stating that as they parted ways, the author just hoped that the person continued to maintain what may be a healthy body weight, and that she wouldn't have a backslide.  Does it get much more passive-aggressive?

I don't think Marge should comment on other people's marriages or kids for that matter.  The heart wants what the heart wants, and I'm not going to judge whether her pull to Joe Bengnino was worth the breakup of two(?) marriages and subsequent alienation from multiple children and step-children, but I think by doing that, Marge has officially forfeited her right to make snarky little comments about other people's marriages (at least, publicly) for life.  

That's about all I got.  Oh, of course Joe Gorga is disgusting, and can someone remind me what he actually does for a living?  Like, day to day, hour to hour, what does he do?  If I could figure that out, I could make a better assessment as to just how much bullshit he's peddling.  

It's weird to start to get pulled over to the other side, but I'm sure in the next episode, I'll have done another 180 and I'll be back to grumbling about Teresa's stupidity and excess.

bwahahaaaaaa!!  is it that bad? 

I lightweight admire you for being able not to judge it.  Ordinarily, I'd agree.  With a child in ordinary circumstances.  But this wasn't an everyday kid they didn't know anything about.  He's attending a shelter-specific event.  Even if everybody isn't aware of his circumstances, Dolores knows he's homeless. 

Lmao!!! Kim would wanna fuck you up for this.  Ahhh lol!!!   Just when I think I might be middle of the roading with Jen she says something to roon it.  The one who gets down on one knee?  Shit I giggled along with her.  Subsequently, the Chanel earrings at the party?   Girl, I guess.  I mean your family owns the store they came from, how impressed are we supposed to get?  The bouncy castle (I loved that she had something kid specific common ground thing they'd all go crazy over) followed by white leather studded thrones.    

Right.  And don't think Jen ain't about to get her all the way together for it. 

He builds white kitchens, then goes to work out, then waits for his wife's toes to be free.

[jaync]

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@sATL

Just what has the man been doing for at least the past 20 years ?

Other men? Just sayin'.

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@Stats Queen

I think Delores may has had good intentions, but if she had really been volunteering that much, surely she would have understood that her event could have been less “fancy” (although it was beautiful) and would make the guests feel out of place. 

Then again, maybe the women appreciated and felt treated by the aesthetics.

At the very beginning of the season, didn't Teresa's trainer say that the competition was only two weeks away? A whole lot has happened since then (including two cast trips), and now she's switching trainers, so just how off is the timeline?

Given how mad Jennifer was over Jackie's cupcake article, I expect nothing less than her going nuclear on Margaret for her direct insults. 

I already have secondhand embarrassment for Malania and her "performance". 

Edited January 10, 2019 by jaync

[SweetieDarling]

What kind of moron shows up at a construction site wearing open-toed platform wedges?

 

She's not the sharpest bulb (tm someone from RHNY -Luann I think), which may be why she and Teresa have been friends for so long ; )

[sATL]

according to the People article  , Tre's competition was in early june ( link ). 

Results ( link2 ).

Tre's page from event ( link3)

Yes Frank Jr was in/ at the same event.

So having two clients in and place at the event,  helps Frank Sr street cred...

Edited January 10, 2019 by sATL

[Giselle]

Did anyone else catch Jennifer's dig about the small size of the cross her brother is giving his betrothed.... "It's a bit small for my liking." 

 

Bitch!

[ichbin]

5 hours ago, kelseykixx said:

Jennifer and her Chanel addiction is so over-the-top and annoying

Unless I'm mistaken, Jackie was also sporting a Chanel belt during this episode like another walking billboard. I doubt they are a sponsor of RHoNJ, so I have to wonder if their marketing department feels this type of publicity is a plus or minus.  

[BrindaWalsh]

I thought her "only one person in a traditional marriage is getting on their knees" statement was more offensive.  Jen's issue is that what she thinks are jokes really aren't.  They are insults.  I just can't figure out if SHE is aware of it.  Although I cracked up at her comment about how she will love her sister in law unlike sister-in-laws in Jersey.  Because that was kind of awesome.

Did MOB and Jen's brother meet prior?  It sounds like they met her a few years ago and she had seen the brother as recently as a few months prior.

Jackie knew exactly what she was doing in that article.  If she didn't, she wouldnt have immediately jumped on the defensive so aggressively "what did i say that is untrue?"  I can't help but wonder of she the same concerns crossed her mind when writing it and she justified it to herself.  Yes, it was passive aggressive.  Yes she knows it.  No she does not care because she does not like Jennifer.  Simple as that.

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Unless I'm mistaken, Jackie was also sporting a Chanel belt during this episode like another walking billboard. I doubt they are a sponsor of RHoNJ, so I have to wonder if their marketing department feels this type of publicity is a plus or minus.  

Meh.  You can get those belts in China town - just choose the Hermes H or Gucci logo, etc.  They no longer strike me as some coveted item.

Remember when wearing labels was tacky?  

Edited January 10, 2019 by BrindaWalsh

[njbchlover]

6 hours ago, Giselle said:

Agreed onOSV, but....I prefer to spell her name as Nosey Shit-stirring Bitch.

Giselle - you win the internet today!!  :-)  BEST reply ever!!   

6 hours ago, Juliegirlj said:

Say what you want about Margaret but she has a huge heart. She was extremely emotional at Delores’ event, and obviously cares a lot about children, and those less fortunate than her. Teresa also has a soft spot for kids- a mother’s heart! 

The scenes in Turkey were interesting but Jennifer is not..... 

Melissa’s daughter is a mini me of her- minus the nose job. Wonder at what age they will allow their daughter to get one? I think she’s a cutie the way she is. 

I think she's cute, too, but I think her attitude is horrible, and Melissa and Joe let her get away with it.  They are in for major headaches if Melissa and Joe don't get that in check soon.

Edited January 10, 2019 by njbchlover

[njbchlover]

45 minutes ago, ichbin said:

Unless I'm mistaken, Jackie was also sporting a Chanel belt during this episode like another walking billboard. I doubt they are a sponsor of RHoNJ, so I have to wonder if their marketing department feels this type of publicity is a plus or minus.  

Teresa was also wearing a Gucci belt in the apology scene with Jackie.  If I'm not mistaken, it is the same belt that Gia was wearing in the Christmas Instagram photos posted in last week's thread.

I'll give these women credit - at least they only wear one designer item (sometimes two, if you include their handbag), unlike Erika Jayne from RHOBH or Marlo from RHOA who pile on the designer stuff as much as possible.

Edited January 10, 2019 by njbchlover

[RHJunkie]

I'm glad Jennifer's husband didn't take offense to the article (I've been saying that I didn't see anything offensive about it either save for one of the last lines that could have been written better) but Jennifer's husband has been flat out saying the kids are spoiled and it would have been hypocritical for him to get angry. Also, I don't see why Jennifer got so offended by the mail order comment. She could have just laughed it off and acknowledged it was a thing but she can vouch for the fact that isn't the case. Let's be real mail order brides are a REAL thing in that part of the world and the set up described to an outsider, it's understandable why someone would make that connection.

Teresa was rational and tolerable this episode save for not actually apologizing to Jackie (but at least she wasn't a stubborn ass about it) and when she brought up Jennifer's culture, I didn't think she said it to dig at Marge but because she felt like she understand Jennifer and the importance of their culture and traditions in their family.

The spa thing wasn't necessarily the most helpful thing to a group of people who are hard pressed for money, however, I thought it was sweet how all of the women interacted with the kids especially. I was glad that Teresa and Dolores stopped short of lecturing the kid when explained he ate chips for breakfast because that's all there was to eat but then got a laugh at Teresa bringing him a cookie later on, lol.

I was ready to bang my head on the wall with the way Jackie opened her conversation with Teresa but she changed course quickly and I thought she communicated herself well.

Danielle is crazy. The end.

[ichbin]

2 hours ago, njbchlover said:

Teresa was also wearing a Gucci belt in the apology scene with Jackie.  If I'm not mistaken, it is the same belt that Gia was wearing in the Christmas Instagram photos posted in last week's thread.

Would be funny if they're all sharing the same belt.

[Giselle]

4 hours ago, SweetieDarling said:

What kind of moron shows up at a construction site wearing open-toed platform wedges?

 

She's not the sharpest bulb (tm someone from RHNY -Luann I think), which may be why she and Teresa have been friends for so long ; )

 

Most real housewives.

[Duke2801]

10 hours ago, MV713 said:

Old School Values = putting your head in the sand, sweeping problems under the rug, and never talk about anything important.  Oh but family!

Can we all spell Dolores name correct?  Just a nit pick but its not spelled Delores.

I don’t care enough about her to learn how to spell her name. 

[dosodog]

3 hours ago, RHJunkie said:

I'm glad Jennifer's husband didn't take offense to the article (I've been saying that I didn't see anything offensive about it either save for one of the last lines that could have been written better) but Jennifer's husband has been flat out saying the kids are spoiled and it would have been hypocritical for him to get angry. Also, I don't see why Jennifer got so offended by the mail order comment. She could have just laughed it off and acknowledged it was a thing but she can vouch for the fact that isn't the case. Let's be real mail order brides are a REAL thing in that part of the world and the set up described to an outsider, it's understandable why someone would make that connection.

Teresa was rational and tolerable this episode save for not actually apologizing to Jackie (but at least she wasn't a stubborn ass about it) and when she brought up Jennifer's culture, I didn't think she said it to dig at Marge but because she felt like she understand Jennifer and the importance of their culture and traditions in their family.

The spa thing wasn't necessarily the most helpful thing to a group of people who are hard pressed for money, however, I thought it was sweet how all of the women interacted with the kids especially. I was glad that Teresa and Dolores stopped short of lecturing the kid when explained he ate chips for breakfast because that's all there was to eat but then got a laugh at Teresa bringing him a cookie later on, lol.

I was ready to bang my head on the wall with the way Jackie opened her conversation with Teresa but she changed course quickly and I thought she communicated herself well.

Danielle is crazy. The end.

I hope Delores continues her awkward work, but next I'd like to see actual, concrete ways to help these families and single women. 

I did like the spa, most women enjoy pampering and it's a luxury item.  Completely unnecessary, but sometimes unnecessary has its bonus points too.

[A-Lo]

How classy is it that the only way Jennifer can show her "class" is through the wearing of anything Chanel?  Does she not realize how that makes her look?  She is simply advertising their products for their company...for free!  Does she not have one iota of her own taste that she can take pride in?  It's not even like she chooses the best of Chanel to model.

[RHJunkie]

31 minutes ago, dosodog said:

I hope Delores continues her awkward work, but next I'd like to see actual, concrete ways to help these families and single women. 

I did like the spa, most women enjoy pampering and it's a luxury item.  Completely unnecessary, but sometimes unnecessary has its bonus points too.

I didn't mean to discredit the spa, I thought it was a nice gesture and while it didn't provide concrete support for these women to tackle their issues like financial needs and homelessness, I definitely see how an event like that can have an emotional and psychologically positive impact on those women. I also hope that Dolores continues her work with them and focuses on tangible things that can help these women achieve their goals. She's got a gym and a home renovation. Surely she pays people to clean these spaces...why not look to hire some of these women to do it? Use her connections to help these women build experience for their resume and to earn some references.

[Reality police]

16 minutes ago, RHJunkie said:

I didn't mean to discredit the spa, I thought it was a nice gesture and while it didn't provide concrete support for these women to tackle their issues like financial needs and homelessness, I definitely see how an event like that can have an emotional and psychologically positive impact on those women. I also hope that Dolores continues her work with them and focuses on tangible things that can help these women achieve their goals. She's got a gym and a home renovation. Surely she pays people to clean these spaces...why not look to hire some of these women to do it? Use her connections to help these women build experience for their resume and to earn some references.

Helping them with jobs and homes kept running thru my mind. The luxuries are nice and the women deserve some pampering. I would have asked my friends to dress appropriately, not to come dripping in labels. You want the women to feel at ease. 

[ichbin]

51 minutes ago, A-Lo said:

How classy is it that the only way Jennifer can show her "class" is through the wearing of anything Chanel?  Does she not realize how that makes her look?  She is simply advertising their products for their company...for free!  Does she not have one iota of her own taste that she can take pride in?  It's not even like she chooses the best of Chanel to model.

Aren't a lot of those designer signature pieces just expensive costume? You can bet if my family owned a jewelry store that I would be wearing custom precious metals and stones.

[dosodog]

33 minutes ago, RHJunkie said:

I didn't mean to discredit the spa, I thought it was a nice gesture and while it didn't provide concrete support for these women to tackle their issues like financial needs and homelessness, I definitely see how an event like that can have an emotional and psychologically positive impact on those women. I also hope that Dolores continues her work with them and focuses on tangible things that can help these women achieve their goals. She's got a gym and a home renovation. Surely she pays people to clean these spaces...why not look to hire some of these women to do it? Use her connections to help these women build experience for their resume and to earn some references.

I'm sorry RHJunkie.  I did not intend for my post to make your original post seem discrediting!

You and I are on the same page.  I just didn't articulate my "Yes!  I agree with you" response well to your quote.

[HunterHunted]

3 minutes ago, ichbin said:

Aren't a lot of those designer signature pieces just expensive costume? You can bet if my family owned a jewelry store that I would be wearing custom precious metals and stones.

Yep! Chanel has a fine jewelry line and a costume jewelry line. The fine jewelry line looks like real actual jewelry that one might purchase from a regular jewelry store. The costume stuff looks like a walking billboard. That's what these dopes are always wearing.

[ichbin]

5 hours ago, BrindaWalsh said:

Meh.  You can get those belts in China town - just choose the Hermes H or Gucci logo, etc.  They no longer strike me as some coveted item.

For sure.  I might have a "Birkin" that I use as a knitting bag.  

If these women didn't demonstrate conspicuous consumption, ,how would everyone know they are "rich and classy".

[kicksave]

Is it me or does anyone else think that Jennifer's husband might have a side piece? He seems so disinterested in her and his kids and spends so little time with them I'm beginning to wonder...and what the hell did their oldest son have painted all over his face? He almost choked his younger brother to death. Those kids always seem so raucous and undisciplined. I'm not loving the whole engagement party stuff with Jennifer making it all about her with the over the top dress and obnoxious Chanel baubles. Honestly, I really hate Chanel now. 

Joe Gorga is a pig. His passive aggressive put downs of Melissa in front of his boys is appalling...nice role modeling there for your sons Joe. He should be proud of his wife running a small business and doing something constructive outside of the home. Instead he has to run her down and bash her. After he does that he then will make lewd remarks about her body or their sex life. He's repulsive, disrespectful and immature. Melissa could have done better than him...for sure. Let's hope their daughter goes away to college and meets a nice non Italian boy that values her and treats her with respect. I'm afraid the die has been cast for the Gorga boys...they already seem to be little mini me Joe Gorgas.  

I loved how sweet and protective Frankie Jr. was with his mom. He seems like a nice kid and not bad on the eyes either...why he is undertaking this body building stuff is puzzling. I guess he wants to make his Dad proud...go figure. Delores seems aimless and lonely. She needs to kick Frank out and move to a condo or a townhouse. She doesn't need that big house anymore. It's nice that she volunteers at a shelter but what does she actually do? These women don't need endless pep talks...they need skills and jobs to be able to support themselves and their children. Or maybe some healthy breakfasts and hot meals for the kids? 

Looks like its Margaret's turn in the barrel next week...she can run her mouth sometimes with some very pointed sarcastic commentary. Guess she and Danielle will have it out in person...Danielle looked awful on Andy's show last night. It was either way too much make up or some bad cosmetic surgery or fillers...YIKES!

Can't stand that dumb look Teresa has when someone accuses her of something or challenges her... she's definitely the dumbest housewife in this franchise.

Jackie is weary thin already...her Gucci belt, the diamond rings and glammed up jeans...all for a coffee meeting a local coffee shop? She did not look comfortable at the charity event...it's not her kind of thing, you could tell. 

Edited January 11, 2019 by kicksave

[RHJunkie]

17 minutes ago, dosodog said:

I'm sorry RHJunkie.  I did not intend for my post to make your original post seem discrediting!

You and I are on the same page.  I just didn't articulate my "Yes!  I agree with you" response well to your quote.

No worries...i also didn't clarify that I thought was a nice gesture. Agreed, we're on the same page! haha.

[Iguessnot]

52 minutes ago, Reality police said:

Helping them with jobs and homes kept running thru my mind. The luxuries are nice and the women deserve some pampering. I would have asked my friends to dress appropriately, not to come dripping in labels. You want the women to feel at ease. 

Didn't Dolores say something stupid at the end -- that they didn't need any help, they could do it all on their own? I'm sure the woman who lost her business and home, didn't start off as homeless. I don't know what her previous business was, but it might not be easy or even possible to recreate that. At an age when she should be into retirement planning, she has nothing. She may need a little help moving forward.

We don't know how the younger women got into their situation, but they may need a little deprogramming in order to avoid some of prior missteps. They may not have had the emotional tools to better their lives. Given Dolores' predicament, I don't think she should be giving advice.

[sATL]

6 hours ago, kicksave said:

Is it me or does anyone else think that Jennifer's husband might have a side piece? He seems so disinterested in her and his kids and spends so little time with them I'm beginning to wonder...and what the hell did their oldest son have painted all over his face? He almost choked his younger brother to death. Those kids always seem so raucous and undisciplined. I'm not loving the whole engagement party stuff with Jennifer making it all about her with the over the top dress and obnoxious Chanel baubles. Honestly, I really hate Chanel now. 

yes. that is what I was thinking in my 1st post of the episode. The  man is too full of bullsh*t with his excuses for not doing something.

He's an plastic surgeon. Highly doubtful the man works 24x7 shifts, like an ER doc would. And even ER will do days on and days off, via a posted schedule. Dr. Evil sets his own schedule and its more than one occasion we've heard " I don't like to change my schedule" - sounds like sidepiece might have him on a schedule. He is a father of 5 - hell his schedule should have changed on short notice a bunch of times by now.

Then to find out that Jennifer was only gone 2 days?? So this man couldn't find 2 days - most of which is flight time? sounds like the Turkish engagement /wedding process isn't last minute . Its a calculated step-by-step-tradition and one knows its coming. I didn't appreciate him coming late to the family dinner at HIS house when he said  to someone "it's ok to start without me" - like he's going to slide in when the all else comes to an end.

Even Joe Gorga - who also proclaims to be working all of the time, will say and appear at his immediate (Melissa and his kids) functions and activities. And dinner.

What's sad though - Jennifer has let Dr.Evil excuse himself out of the family's life for so long , it will be a hard effort to pull him back. They have a fancy room for someone to ask for his daughters hand - will he be there for that ??? Potential might need to get an appt on  the schedule now...

From his practice website ( link ) - " When Dr. Aydin is not at either of his plastic surgery practices or in the operating room, he can be found teaching the bright, young medical minds of New York Medical College as an Assistant Professor of Surgery. Dr. Aydin is also a proud family man, who lives in New Jersey with his lovely wife and their 5 children."

Edited January 11, 2019 by sATL

[Kiki777]

7 hours ago, HunterHunted said:

Yep! Chanel has a fine jewelry line and a costume jewelry line. The fine jewelry line looks like real actual jewelry that one might purchase from a regular jewelry store. The costume stuff looks like a walking billboard. That's what these dopes are always wearing.

Not sure if it's reliable information, but it's all over the internet that Coco Chanel associated with Nazis and even dated one.  My Chanel bag now sits unused in my closet and I no longer buy their cosmetics (they're not that great anyway and there are now so many superior and cheaper cosmetic/skin care lines out there). But if Jennifer knows this she wouldn't care.

These tacky women (as well as some other RHWs) flash their designer logos so often that I shy away from buying similar items.  The NY housewives who I find a lot more classy (style-wise, that is) aren't saturated in logos.

Side note:  I do still love my (non-logo) Louis Vuitton bag - it is worth the $$ and super durable.  I was hit by a car while carrying one.  Items inside the bag were shattered but the bag itself? Just a tiny scratch.

[Giselle]

I don't do logos. I try not to buy anything with a logo& the few times that I have I've cut them off, used a seam ripper to pick them out, used leather and fabric dyes to get rid of them, or hide them with something else. 

They aren't paying me to shill their shit.

[HunterHunted]

4 hours ago, Kiki777 said:

Not sure if it's reliable information, but it's all over the internet that Coco Chanel associated with Nazis and even dated one.  

This is completely true. Writers and documentarians have been able to look through declassified intelligence documents. They've found evidence that she had a spy codename and number--Westminster and F-7124. She had a Nazi lover, Baron Hans Gunther von Dincklage. She also used the Nazis to try to strip the ownership of her her Jewish partners, they owned 90% of the company. Because of the Nazis' history of divesting Jews from their property and businesses and the years of acrimony between Chanel and the Wertheimers, her Jewish partners, the Wertheimers transferred their ownership to a "white" Christian friend before they fled France for America. The friend transferred the 90% ownership back to the Wertheimers after the end of World War 2.

https://www.snopes.com/news/2017/03/06/coco-chanel-nazi-spy/

[ZaldamoWilder]

16 hours ago, RHJunkie said:

I'm glad Jennifer's husband didn't take offense to the article (I've been saying that I didn't see anything offensive about it either save for one of the last lines that could have been written better) but Jennifer's husband has been flat out saying the kids are spoiled and it would have been hypocritical for him to get angry. Also, I don't see why Jennifer got so offended by the mail order comment. She could have just laughed it off and acknowledged it was a thing but she can vouch for the fact that isn't the case. Let's be real mail order brides are a REAL thing in that part of the world and the set up described to an outsider, it's understandable why someone would make that connection.

Teresa was rational and tolerable this episode save for not actually apologizing to Jackie (but at least she wasn't a stubborn ass about it) and when she brought up Jennifer's culture, I didn't think she said it to dig at Marge but because she felt like she understand Jennifer and the importance of their culture and traditions in their family.

The spa thing wasn't necessarily the most helpful thing to a group of people who are hard pressed for money, however, I thought it was sweet how all of the women interacted with the kids especially. I was glad that Teresa and Dolores stopped short of lecturing the kid when explained he ate chips for breakfast because that's all there was to eat but then got a laugh at Teresa bringing him a cookie later on, lol.

I was ready to bang my head on the wall with the way Jackie opened her conversation with Teresa but she changed course quickly and I thought she communicated herself well.

Danielle is crazy. The end.

Ya'll really gone make me stick up for a chick I don't like huh?  Lol.   If there's only ever one time I understand her this is it.  Mail order brides are women the groom chooses by looking through a public catalog available to all.   She marries a man she wouldn't otherwise in exchange for some thing she finds excessively valuable but un/in/non?acquirable without him.   I think Jen would find it insulting because as she was explaining to Teresa, the introduction is only the first step in the arrangement.  If they don't at a minimum like each other and believe they can grow to love each other, there's no deal.   Now do I believe they're getting married because they're over the top crazy about each other?  Nope.  She's 30 something and wants Turkish children.   He's 45 and it's time to stop ho'in.   But as motivations go, I find the implication Marge is making not just insulting, arrogant.  I've lived, worked, paid taxes and been a consumer contributor in the US my entire life and haven't yet seen citizenship as some be all end all necessity or even desire.   Well, no, there was that one time in November '08 I regretted it but outside of that, I was good. 

 

11 hours ago, ichbin said:

For sure.  I might have a "Birkin" that I use as a knitting bag.  

If these women didn't demonstrate conspicuous consumption, ,how would everyone know they are "rich and classy".

The quotes.  LMAO!!!!!   

3 hours ago, Kiki777 said:

Not sure if it's reliable information, but it's all over the internet that Coco Chanel associated with Nazis and even dated one.  My Chanel bag now sits unused in my closet and I no longer buy their cosmetics (they're not that great anyway and there are now so many superior and cheaper cosmetic/skin care lines out there). But if Jennifer knows this she wouldn't care.

These tacky women (as well as some other RHWs) flash their designer logos so often that I shy away from buying similar items.  The NY housewives who I find a lot more classy (style-wise, that is) aren't saturated in logos.

Side note:  I do still love my (non-logo) Louis Vuitton bag - it is worth the $$ and super durable.  I was hit by a car while carrying one.  Items inside the bag were shattered but the bag itself? Just a tiny scratch.

k, LV bag durability is the least interesting piece of this sentence.   You, you? like your body?  Jesus.   Forgive me if this is like girl you sound dumb as hell right now, my flesh made contact with a 1 ton machine, but I hope you weren't hurt too badly.  

[ladle]

Teresa: "This was strike two for Jackie, so I'm gonna give her a second chance."

Oh, honey. 

[kicksave]

9 hours ago, sATL said:

yes. that is what I was thinking in my 1st post of the episode. The  man is too full of bullsh*t with his excuses for not doing something.

He's an plastic surgeon. Highly doubtful the man works 24x7 shifts, like an ER doc would. And even ER will do days on and days off, via a posted schedule. Dr. Evil sets his own schedule and its more than one occasion we've heard " I don't like to change my schedule" - sounds like sidepiece might have him on a schedule. He is a father of 5 - hell his schedule should have changed on short notice a bunch of times by now.

Then to find out that Jennifer was only gone 2 days?? So this man couldn't find 2 days - most of which is flight time? sounds like the Turkish engagement /wedding process isn't last minute . Its a calculated step-by-step-tradition and one knows its coming. I didn't appreciate him coming late to the family dinner at HIS house when he said  to someone "it's ok to start without me" - like he's going to slide in when the all else comes to an end.

Even Joe Gorga - who also proclaims to be working all of the time, will say and appear at his immediate (Melissa and his kids) functions and activities. And dinner.

What's sad though - Jennifer has let Dr.Evil excuse himself out of the family's life for so long , it will be a hard effort to pull him back. They have a fancy room for someone to ask for his daughters hand - will he be there for that ??? Potential might need to get an appt on  the schedule now...

From his practice website ( link ) - " When Dr. Aydin is not at either of his plastic surgery practices or in the operating room, he can be found teaching the bright, young medical minds of New York Medical College as an Assistant Professor of Surgery. Dr. Aydin is also a proud family man, who lives in New Jersey with his lovely wife and their 5 children."

Ha ha ha!!! "Proud father"....he barely knows those kids and if he did he be appalled at their weird and undisciplined behavior.

[kicksave]

13 hours ago, Iguessnot said:

Didn't Dolores say something stupid at the end -- that they didn't need any help, they could do it all on their own? I'm sure the woman who lost her business and home, didn't start off as homeless. I don't know what her previous business was, but it might not be easy or even possible to recreate that. At an age when she should be into retirement planning, she has nothing. She may need a little help moving forward.

We don't know how the younger women got into their situation, but they may need a little deprogramming in order to avoid some of prior missteps. They may not have had the emotional tools to better their lives. Given Dolores' predicament, I don't think she should be giving advice.

Delores' pep talks are tone deaf and ridiculous. Case in point the elderly woman you mentioned. How is she going to rebuild a business at her age? She has so many issues that she will be facing now...health concerns, taking care of her grandson, trying to find housing that is safe and affordable, hell...just being able to buy groceries! Delores pulls up to the shelter in her luxury car carrying a designer bag...totally relatable...NOT!

Edited January 11, 2019 by kicksave

[msrachelj]

On 1/9/2019 at 10:06 PM, ghoulina said:

Jennifer is too much. Let it go already. Even her husband didn't have a problem with the article. She's gonna drag this shit out all season. 

 

I've got some advice for Frankie - just look at everything your dad ever did. And do the opposite. 

Frank Sr. Is just so gross to me. Could he not use the word "gluts", or even "rear" when training Tre?

 

Joe is another piece of work. Gorga that is. It was revolting how he was belittling Melissa's store and her earnings, and basically discouraging his daughter from doing something she's expressed internet in. I hope his kids are all starving artists and can't support him when his back breaks and he loses all of his businesses.

 

I again am left with a slightly uncomfortable feeling in regards to Dolores and her charity. It just seems a bit self serving. I'm not saying none of these women truly care, but there was a lot of promotion going on. 

And....was it not too fancy? I'd have felt uncomfortable showing up to that event in my jeans or sweats.

i think the money spent on the idiotic day spa affair could have been better spent to help those women. it was condescending. 

[Kiki777]

1 hour ago, ZaldamoWilder said:

k, LV bag durability is the least interesting piece of this sentence.   You, you? like your body?  Jesus.   Forgive me if this is like girl you sound dumb as hell right now, my flesh made contact with a 1 ton machine, but I hope you weren't hurt too badly.  

Mostly cuts and bruises, I was taken to the ER and tested for internal injuries and checked out fine.  It was a slow-moving SUV and that LV bag and its contents took most of the impact.  Someone needs to tell Jennifer that a flimsy-ass Chanel bag would just fall apart in such an accident. Hell you can't even take them out on a humid day.

[ladle]

I know Frankie Jr. is technically an adult, but that pressure on him to alter his body at such a young age makes me uncomfortable.  Seems like a nice kid, though.

 

Agree with those who said that the Dolores charity plot seems exploitative.  It's also very much "White Savior."  They should have blurred out Jeremiah's face.  I hope the RHO who are rhapsodizing about these women are actually voting for people who'll enact policies that will help them ... is all I'll say.

[esco1822]

8 minutes ago, ladle said:

I know Frankie Jr. is technically an adult, but that pressure on him to alter his body at such a young age makes me uncomfortable.  Seems like a nice kid, though.

I agree with this and also, I think Gabby is also a nice kid. At the very least, i'm giving Dolores credit for raising 2 kids that appear to be good an kind people. I can't give Frank credit what with all the driving around with whoores all the time. 

[ghoulina]

21 hours ago, ichbin said:

Unless I'm mistaken, Jackie was also sporting a Chanel belt during this episode like another walking billboard. I doubt they are a sponsor of RHoNJ, so I have to wonder if their marketing department feels this type of publicity is a plus or minus.  

I could have sworn Tre was wearing a Chanel belt this episode. 

(ETA, I see it was Gucci? My bad.)

20 hours ago, njbchlover said:

I think she's cute, too, but I think her attitude is horrible, and Melissa and Joe let her get away with it.  They are in for major headaches if Melissa and Joe don't get that in check soon.

I feel bad for Antonia. I hope she gives her dad absolute hell as a teenager. 

 

15 hours ago, Reality police said:

Helping them with jobs and homes kept running thru my mind. The luxuries are nice and the women deserve some pampering. I would have asked my friends to dress appropriately, not to come dripping in labels. You want the women to feel at ease. 

That was my major contention. It was just far too fancy for anything those women would be able to wear. I would have felt uncomfortable. 

 

11 minutes ago, ladle said:

I know Frankie Jr. is technically an adult, but that pressure on him to alter his body at such a young age makes me uncomfortable.  Seems like a nice kid, though.

He looked so much better at his natural size/weight. 

[sATL]

22 hours ago, sATL said:

according to the People article  , Tre's competition was in early june ( link ). 

Results ( link2 ).

Tre's page from event ( link3)

Yes Frank Jr was in/ at the same event.

So having two clients in and place at the event,  helps Frank Sr street cred...

 

Update: I didn't click on Frank Jr's page until now... Sad... very sad...  (link 4)

Someone needs to beat Frank Sr a*s..

there is one image where he is standing next to a normal college-age young man, who works out, and I was like OMG !

One good thing is that the young men are wearing the longer swim trunks.

Edited January 11, 2019 by sATL

[TexasGal]

On 1/10/2019 at 11:36 AM, Giselle said:

 

Nah, not strange. It's like grampa reading the sports page or the racing form to his infant grandkid.  The kid doesn't know what the hell he's saying just that grampa is interacting and smiling at them. Grampa isn't expecting an answer nor betting advice and he's smiling because his team won and he's cultivating a new fan for his team before the father gets a crack at them. 

I ask dogs their name while giving them a part or a scratch after I've asked the owners permission to engage. I don't expect them to answer.

But seriously I think Melissa was just trying to make a nice connection with the mom.

This gave me such a giggle!

[RHJunkie]

2 hours ago, ZaldamoWilder said:

Ya'll really gone make me stick up for a chick I don't like huh?  Lol.   If there's only ever one time I understand her this is it.  Mail order brides are women the groom chooses by looking through a public catalog available to all.   She marries a man she wouldn't otherwise in exchange for some thing she finds excessively valuable but un/in/non?acquirable without him.   I think Jen would find it insulting because as she was explaining to Teresa, the introduction is only the first step in the arrangement.  If they don't at a minimum like each other and believe they can grow to love each other, there's no deal.   Now do I believe they're getting married because they're over the top crazy about each other?  Nope.  She's 30 something and wants Turkish children.   He's 45 and it's time to stop ho'in.   But as motivations go, I find the implication Marge is making not just insulting, arrogant.  I've lived, worked, paid taxes and been a consumer contributor in the US my entire life and haven't yet seen citizenship as some be all end all necessity or even desire.   Well, no, there was tat one time in November '08 I regretted it but outside of that, I was good.

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To clarify a bit, I wasn't suggesting that Jennifer shouldn't at all be offended, just that without the context of cultural aspect to the process, it is conceivable that a guy of Jennifer's age may not know how to find a relationship another way and who comes from a country where such a process exists and is less stigmatized than it is here in North America. I certainly think Jennifer would address it but I personally wouldn't take the approach that it seems she'll be taking, mainly because I don't think Marge said it in a way to be insulting to the  culture and insinuating that their culture is about mail order brides...and while Jennifer got Marge's comments via Teresa, I don't think Teresa repeated the information in a way to suggest that Marge was making fun of their culture. I totally get Jennifer having some sort of reaction though...it's her brother. I wouldn't just sit on my hands and zip my mouth shut when someone made those kinds of insinuations about my brother but depending on what was said, I would measure my response, but either way, I would be addressing it.

And just to add to the other responses that are mentioning Frankie....is there not a way to bodybuild without losing your neck? His head and neck look smushed into his shoulders. 

Edited January 11, 2019 by RHJunkie

[BrindaWalsh]

Quote

 I certainly think Jennifer would address it but I personally wouldn't take the approach that it seems she'll be taking, mainly because I don't think Marge said it in a way to be insulting to the  culture and insinuating that their culture is about mail order brides...and while Jennifer got Marge's comments via Teresa, I don't think Teresa repeated the information in a way to suggest that Marge was making fun of their culture. 

Let's just call it like it was - Marge said it because she was being bitchy.  Simple as that. 

[lezlers]

On ‎1‎/‎9‎/‎2019 at 8:51 PM, ninjago said:

It is crazy how the women who are most committed to praising the "old fashioned"ness of their family's values are the ones who are treated the worst by their husbands.  Jennifer has an absent husband who sticks her with five terrible children, Delores's husband ran around with "whores" and showed no interest in their children until they were teenagers, Teresa got sent to jail and been called a c-word by her cheating husband, Melissa's husband disrespects her, let his parents disrespect her, and let their children disrespect her.  Compare all of these marriages to women like Ken and LVP or Kyle and Mauricio.  

Why are these women so complicit in their own disrespect?

Because they spend their lives being brainwashed by misogynists to believe that living in a misogynistic house is a good thing.

[Gigi43]

Were those make  up bags or purses in the goodie bags from Marge? I hope they werent empty make up bags. Melissa walked in with Envy bags but we don't know what was in them. That event could have served a point because I think the charities that, say, collect clothes for women to go on job interviews serve a good point in helping women put their lives back together. Gathering clothes, maybe even make up tutorials, would be useful since we do live in a world where that stuff matters. I've even heard of events that help with interview skills, also useful beyond just writing a check to a cause. You're helping people get on track. Much like Delores' visit to the shelter itself this seems like something Delores is doing for the sake of telling people she's helping. I hope the ladies we've seen appear are getting some money for it. 

 

I've seen enough 90 Day Fiance to not find Marge's mail order brides comment to outrageous, however, I do think Marge was being catty because it's Jennifer and she's probably still mad about OK. Now Jennifer will never admit she was out of line though. Tit for tat never works. Teresa is only giving a shit about Jennifer's culture because Jennifer was willing to tell Jackie she didn't get "them." Hell Teresa's probably accused Melissa of being a mail order bride without knowing what it means. 

 

I hope the joke is on Joe and Antonia already knows the money comes from Bravo, not his business, whatever it currently is. It seems like any time we see the kids this season Joe or Mr Gorga is putting Melissa down. Hhhhmmm...

[HunterHunted]

3 hours ago, Gigi43 said:

Were those make  up bags or purses in the goodie bags from Marge? I hope they werent empty make up bags. Melissa walked in with Envy bags but we don't know what was in them.

When Marge had Jackie and Melissa over before the event, they were putting the goodie bags together, which I took to mean that they were filling the bags up with various items. Melissa said her Envy bags were filled with toiletries. I'm assuming Melissa brought typical toiletries: soap, deodorant, lotion, toothpaste, and maybe feminine products.