S02.E13: We Have Manners. We're Polite.

[Kara]

I loved the ending!  When they first showed the open tunnel in the green house, I was afraid that this was how the season would end and we would either get no real resolution for Vee's character, or it would continue on to season 3.  Then when they showed Vee in the woods, I was thinking getting eaten by a bear would be a hysterically fantastic way to end her.  Then when they showed Rosa speed away, I thought Rosa was going to accidentally hit Vee, which would have been ok with me.  But it was especially satisfying that Rosa took aim and hit her.  I rarely want even an evil character to die without chance for redemption, but Vee was not redeemable, so I took pleasure in it.

 

I also loved the Red/Heat Miser comparison, and the guard singing to the nuns.  Such a good season finale!

[Dusty]

To be completely honest, I didn't even realize I was paying all that much attention to the stealth Ruiz storyline. (I didn't even know her name until I came here)  Not until that last scene with the Baby Daddy.  That was probably the sweetest moment in the whole season for me and I didn't even know I cared.

[DangerousMinds]

The Heat Miser comment had me loving Suzanne all over again!

Did Vee give Suzanne that padlock? Or was she hiding it all along?

Edited June 13, 2014 by DangerousMinds

[SourK]

I'm saving my season comments for the season thread, but this episode:

 

• I don't get it. Is Rosa supposed to go off somewhere and kill herself, or are we supposed to believe that she won't get caught until she's dead? She's driving a van she stole from corrections, and they all saw her leave in it, and she doesn't seem like she's up for a run, so...
• "This is a little song about the nuns" was the funniest joke all season.
• I especially disliked the scene where the assistant warden blew what's-his-face to keep him from telling on her, and then he was like, "Ha! I already told." I didn't think it was funny, and it made me a little uncomfortable.

 

This is apparently an unpopular opinion, but I don't like how they ended the Vee storyline. All season they created an interesting, truly evil villain. And then in one episode, everyone sees the light, Vee loses all her minions (except Crazy Eyes), and is killed while trying to escape. It just feels too neat. In real life, Vee would have regrouped, found a new gang, and continued onward. She was painted as a survivor and fighter. What a waste of a character to create only to kill her off at the end of the season.

 

That felt weird to me, too, but there's a problem with Vee from a storytelling perspective, which is that she seems like a character from a different (and darker, and better) show. So, unless they want Orange is the New Black to become a continuing sage about gang wars and drug dealers -- which I don't think they do, since it's not in keeping with the overall tone they've established -- they had to get rid of her somehow. I actually think that it would have made more sense for them to send her to max (which is where she was headed anyway, when she escaped) or to just have her disappear down the mystery hole, and we never knew what happened. Killing her with the van felt especially cheap. (I think it was also an attempt to tie very disparate stories together, but, I don't think it worked that well).

 

ETA: If I were to drop one character from the show it'd definitely be Larry. He is completely pointless. I truly don't understand why he is even still so prominent. That being said, I actually really liked the Larry/Polly subplot.

 

This. I don't understand why Larry is still part of the show. I did like him with Polly, but he's not important to the story anymore.

 

I expected something horrible to happen the way Morello was driving. She was practically in the back seat with Rosa during her Toy Story recap. I kept expecting them to drive into a semi whenever she finally put her eyes back on the road.

 

Me too. She was driving so badly, I thought for sure they were going to get T-boned by a truck or something, and I was really tense waiting for it.

[gwlisa]

I wish the ending wasn't so predictable. Anyone remember The Crying Game? I saw it for the first time a few months ago and I could see Vee getting hit by the truck as soon as they showed Rosa speeding off. Boo. I really enjoyed S2 more than S1 overall, thanks to the darker tone.

[ElectricBoogaloo]

While I hated that Deep Blue Something song when it came out, it cracked me up to hear the guard singing it.

 

I, too, was convinced that Morello was going to get into some kind of accident because she kept turning around to speak to Rosa in the back seat. I was yelling, "EYES ON THE ROAD!" during that whole scene.

 

Vee was an evil bitch, so I laughed my ass when Rosa ran her down. For a moment, I was afraid that she would pull over to pick her up. I knew that they would not measure up to the level of a Jaime/Brienne or Arya/Hound road trip buddy comedy. On the other hand, there's no way that Rosa would have fallen for any of Vee's attempts at manipulation so it would have been kind of funny to watch Rosa dismiss Vee repeatedly. But I'm much happier to have Vee gone

[bravelittletoaster]

Yeah, I'm glad you brought up Game of Thrones.  Maybe I just needed to see some karmic justice for once after seeing good guy after good guy bite it on another one of my shows, but it was really nice to see the baddie get it.  There's a reason that's been a feature of western narrative for thousands of years: because it feels good.  

 

Also it was interesting to see her screw with the cast of characters' dynamic for one season, like a classic Buffy Big Bad, but I think we need to come back to the middle a bit more next season.  It was interesting while it lasted, but I wouldn't want another year of her.  She did make it a bit more Oz-like, for sure.  A niche show that never enjoyed the popularity or critical consensus of this one, so no need to reach for something beneath you, IMO.

[hkit]

When watching Vee run to the road and Rosa speeding away, I assumed there was going to be an accidental collision. I had no idea that Rosa was going to take aim. I'm still smiling, nearly a week later thinking about it. What a perfect ending for both characters.

 

To the question above about what Rosa thinks is going to happen, I have no doubt that she has no intentions of being taken alive, nor any illusions that she is going to get to her happy place and die peacefully. Meeting her end in a collision or a shootout is much more appealing to her than spending her last moments inside.

[Portia]

Another funny little moment was when Morello pretended to be astonished that Rosa was stealing the van. She murmured something like "Lord in heaven!" ACTING!  

 

It would be awesome if Rosa could die in a hail of gunfire, but since that might be a tall order, I prefer to think that she drove off a nice big cliff. 

[smrou]

 

• "This is a little song about the nuns" was the funniest joke all season

I loved it.  I particularly loved how, when one of the nuns said of the Catholic Church, "No Divorce", how O'Neill immediately took that and ran with it into his second verse, "This is a song about my mom and dad and the divorce that they should have had."  He's got a quick mind for lyrics, that one.  Who would have thought?

[Helena Dax]

I just love that everybody at the prison was after Vee at the end. The Black inmates snitched on her, the White Inmates were trying to destroy her business and the Latino inmates were... I don't know, making  dark magic? Anyway, Vee was doomed. And I loved how peaceful was that last scene with the inmates.

 

Morello's version of Toy Story sounds awesome!

 

I'm so glad Rosa could run away! But if they let Jimmy go, why didn't they let Rosa go too?

 

I was totally sure Fig knew his husband was gay and in love with his assistant. I mean, I knew the moment I saw the way they look at each other, lol. And that blowjob? She's pathetic.

[heatherchandler]

Loved the ending. The only thing that could have improved it was a little more cowbell.

I got a fevah!  And the only cure is more bell!

I don't get it. Is Rosa supposed to go off somewhere and kill herself, or are we supposed to believe that she won't get caught until she's dead? She's driving a van she stole from corrections, and they all saw her leave in it, and she doesn't seem like she's up for a run, so...

She doesn't care.  She just didn't want to die in prison - she wanted to go out in a blaze of glory!

[Kristen]

I wish the ending wasn't so predictable. Anyone remember The Crying Game? I saw it for the first time a few months ago and I could see Vee getting hit by the truck as soon as they showed Rosa speeding off. Boo. I really enjoyed S2 more than S1 overall, thanks to the darker tone.

 

As soon as Rosa drove off in the van, I thought "She's gonna run over Vee with that van!" and that scene from The Crying Game was exactly what I pictured. haha

[Happy to be here]

I don't get it. Is Rosa supposed to go off somewhere and kill herself, or are we supposed to believe that she won't get caught until she's dead? She's driving a van she stole from corrections, and they all saw her leave in it, and she doesn't seem like she's up for a run, so...

 

 

She has like 3 weeks to live and I think she has spent the majority of her life in prison.  I don't think she exactly cares how she goes out as long as she goes out OUTSIDE of Litchfield.  That is what she told Morello that she didn't mind dying.  It was dying in prison that bothered her.  

[Clockwork Banana]

This probably belongs more in an overall season thread than here, but so be it.

 

I think the writers really seemed to struggle with what to do with Pennsatucky and her erstwhile posse, specifically the other two methheads.

 

The arc with Healey seemed kind of thrown together and incomplete, and I really did not understand what she was doing with the lesbians and vice versa.  I must have missed something there.

 

And the two other girls never seemed to have much to do at all, other than establishing that they were no longer interested in Pennsatucky as their leader, and being occasionally nasty here and there.

 

I do kind of miss Pennsatucky's yellow meth teeth, in an ewww sort of way.  hee. 

[junemeatcleaver]

 

Healy's misogyny is so disturbing, especially in the wake of the Elliot Rodger stuff. The way he constantly tells people he's the good guy and he cares is so creepy.

 

Healy is such a Nice Guy it's ridiculous.  I can see why he has the job he has, he gets to exert control over women and feel like he's helping them.  Despite his creepiness, I still think he has more potential to help people than stupid-ass Bennett or that rapey-ass Pornstache Mendez.

 

Meh to Piper getting Alex back in prison.  I just hope the show continues to become more of an ensamble so I don't have to endure too much of their bullshit next season. I include Larry and Piper's best friend in that, too.  The less of that quadrangle, the better.

 

I know there was some negative chatter over some of the black women being taken down a darker road, but I loved it.  Taystee is a screwed up system kid, Suzanne is vulnerable due to her illnesses and the lack of care for them during her early life, Janae is being crushed by prison and Black Cindy is an opportunistic asshole, I get why they came under Vee's spell so easily.  I don't mind that these characters were fleshed out, even if it was to highlight some of their less desirable traits.

 

Even though predictible that Rosa was going to hit Vee the moment Rosa got behind the wheel of that van, I cackled in delight when it happened.  Good riddence to Vee.  And I'm going to assume that Rosa got to go out like Queen Latifah's character did in Set it Off. 

[apollonia666]

They haven't told us yet. 

 

No, but they alluded to it when Suzanne was talking about how she doesn't remember bad things she's done sometimes and said (can't remember whether it was to Healy or to the two guys investigating the attack on Red) something about that time with her neighbor.  I bet that's it.

 

I was pretty thrown by the disconnect between Young Rosa's accent and Old Rosa's earlier in the season too, which someone else mentioned upthread.  And I was having trouble picturing Old Rosa being the same person as Young Rosa appearance-wise as well, but that MAN morph at the end!  I'm fascinated by that image.  That was flat out delightful, and then I finally saw how much the noses and the jawlines and even the teeth were the same for both Rosas.  I wonder if the actresses are related, and did both of them wear matching false teeth all season?  

Edited June 14, 2014 by apollonia666

[Portia]

Accents aside, I thought all along that they were a good match. Once I looked beyond her bald head, I realized "old" Rosa is a very pretty woman, with decent skin and a really pretty smile. Actress Barbara Rosenblat has really cute dimples, but we didn't get to see much of them in this role. 

[Happy to be here]

The arc with Healey seemed kind of thrown together and incomplete, and I really did not understand what she was doing with the lesbians and vice versa.  I must have missed something there.

 

 

The whole Healy/Pennsatucky thing was two lonely people trying to find something.   The finale (and the episode before) had Tucky making a friend she would never have talked to before (Big Boo).  Healy's wife had mentioned that Healy has no friends so Tucky was really his only friend so when she failed to come to his safe place meeting he reacted the way he did before.  Healy is a sad man who really has no one in his life.  Tucky like Red was a story about falling from grace and what you find when you brush yourself off and stand up again.  

[natyxg]

the Latino inmates were... I don't know, making  dark magic?

 

In Gloria's flashback and a couple of other times in the prison we saw that she was into Santería ( think it was). Her sister, too. I think the joke was supposed to be that she and Norma put a curse on Vee and that's why she was run over by Rosa. lol.

[bluedevilblue]

"As for Piper's main reason for wanting Alex back, I think it is sexual and romantic desire."

I totally agree. The flashbacks, especially, have made it very clear that Piper has a strong physical connection to Alex, more so it would seem than anyone else. I would add in addition to the one you mention, the Piper/Polly conversation that precedes the flashback of her meeting Larry. Polly notes that Piper keeps going for crazy-making girlfriends and Piper says something about liking hot ones. It seems to me that this could be read as Piper trying to recreate her relationship with Alex (minus the drug running) after their break up. And apparently without finding the same success. It's pretty clear that Larry's appeal is his stability. But all of that gets thrown out the window when she's not only kept away from him (and in a very unstable environment), but so physically close to Alex.

I had seen the same interview referenced in another comment with Prepon and Biggs where Prepon talks about writing to the chemistry. I'm sure the fact that she really does have great chemistry with Schilling helps, but honestly, it was always going to be hard for the writers not to put Alex and Piper together in some twisted way. It sounds like Piper Kerman and her Larry have a very healthy, stable relationship. That's totally awesome in real life and totally boring on television. TV is all about conflict and the Piper/Alex relationship was always going to have more potential in that regard than Piper/Larry. Only so many phone arguments you can show, you know?

I don't know about Larry, but I hope Polly sticks around. Piper's story is interesting - at least to me - because of her contacts with the outside (that until recently were relatively healthy relationships). The pull and push of the outside and prison, which every inmate must feel to some extent, is really heightened for her. But she needs people who love her on the outside to make that work and I think it provides important dialogue opportunities for her to have people like Polly, Cal and even Larry to talk to.

Personally, I'm glad Prepon is back next season. I don't want this to be the Alex and Piper show, but I like the character of Alex. I think she plays well with a lot of the other people in the ensemble and makes Piper more interesting. So long as they keep it balanced - and I think they've shown a clear desire to do that - I think keeping the character around makes sense.

I love Lorraine Toussaint - have since her old L&O days - but I'm glad her character met her maker and she won't be back next season. And if you had told me that when I heard she was cast, I would never have believed you.

Edited June 15, 2014 by bluedevilblue

[Artsda]

Rosa aiming and hitting Vee was awesome. Great way the end it. 

[Megan]

I totally teared up when old Rosa morphed into young Rosa. I didn't even know I cared so much.

[bravelittletoaster]

It sounds like Piper Kerman and her Larry have a very healthy, stable relationship. That's totally awesome in real life and totally boring on television.

ITA.  IMO there's nothing more insufferable on tv than "nice."  "Nice" is good in real life--it helps promote a smoothly functioning society.  We should all try to be nice irl.  But on tv it's boring as fuck.  Someone asked Kerman once on Twitter if she thought Chapman's story would end similarly to hers, and she gave a fairly unequivocal "no" in response.  I think they kind of put paid to tv Piper and Larry with that phone call she makes exhorting them to turn in Alex for her.  

[millennium]

Meh.

 

I expected better.

I wish the ending wasn't so predictable ... I could see Vee getting hit by the truck as soon as they showed Rosa speeding off. Boo. 

 

Yup.

 

More satisfying (for me anyway) had Vee run into Red's sons at the other end of the tunnel.   Red herself set up such an ending when she warned Vee that only her sons knew where the other entrance was, and what with Vee threatening Red's son directly ...  It would have required a few tweaks to the script, but it could have worked.

[bravelittletoaster]

Red's sons seem like pussies, though, so I don't know that they would have been any match for Vee.  And as good a turn as Lorraine Toussaint did this year [and I thought she was great], I also thought the character had run her course, and I wouldn't have wanted another dose of her poisoning the well next year.  So I was happy for her to be taken out in a capricious manner.

[millennium]

It was all such a letdown.

 

Figueroa got off too easy (and Caputo's just as bad).

 

Larry and Polly got off too easy.

 

Bennett got off too easy.

 

Vee's minions got off too easy.

 

Vee got off too easy.

 

And I've had enough of Crazy Eyes to last me a lifetime.

[Knittzu]

The solution to the Daya situation seems so obvious to me. Why can't she just put the baby up for adoption and John adopts it? Isn't that a thing? Being able to designate who adopts your baby?

 

I don't think adoptions can be completed without involving social services, and an inmate requesting that her baby be adopted by a male prison guard in direct control of her life would sure as hell trigger an investigation. At least I sure hope it would, because that's about as sketchy as you can get.

 

To top it off, towards the end Piper goes to her corner to read Alex's letters (BTW, why was that letter a photocopy?!!).

 

The guards keep the originals on file, the prisoners get copies that are often edited of anything the guards think is suspicious, coded, etc.

 

Vee was just evil and she was one note to me because you never got to really see the human underneath, imo.

 

 

Probably because there wasn't a human underneath. Some people are just bad all the way though and there isn't some sad story in their background to explain it away. I didn't much enjoy the Vee story (especially considering what it did to the characters of Taystee and Crazy Eyes) but I like that they included at least one through-and-through sociopath in their prison. 

 

I especially disliked the scene where the assistant warden blew what's-his-face to keep him from telling on her, and then he was like, "Ha! I already told." I didn't think it was funny, and it made me a little uncomfortable.

 

 

Me, too. It seemed like the audience was supposed to cheer that or consider it a just part of her punishment. Otherwise, what was the point of it?

[millennium]

Perhaps to show that Caputo is equally despicable, in different ways.

 

Meet the new boss/ Same as the old boss ...

Edited June 15, 2014 by millennium

[MarkySnark]

I think it was to put an exclamation point on Fig's humiliation. She just found out her husband is involved with another man, is in danger of having her embezzlement exposed, losing her job and derailing her hubby's election. She thought she could hold some of that off by giving the guy she hates what he wants, only to find out he was just using her as a cum-dumpster.

[millennium]

Thanks for the imagery.

[Knittzu]

I think it was to put an exclamation point on Fig's humiliation.

 

I got that, but I didn't like that her humiliation had a sexual component. Would a male version of Fig be humiliated in that specific manner? I really, really doubt it.

[MarkySnark]

I doubt it as well. Maybe if the writer and creator of the series has an AMA on Reddit or something, someone can ask her. Me, I'm just one fan with one opinion and I certainly can't answer that question.

[natyxg]

Probably because there wasn't a human underneath. Some people are just bad all the way though and there isn't some sad story in their background to explain it away.

 

She didn't need a sad story to explain why she was evil, imo, she needed more dimensions to show she was human, something else to make her interesting. And if the idea was that she was supposed to be evil through and through I wish they had at least made her fun or just given her SOMETHING. Hell, make her a psychopath who was really into knitting and was super good at it too, or something random that at least made her a cool character. She was just a drag, at least to me.

[bravelittletoaster]

I've seen a lot of comparisons of Vee to Dickens' Fagin, and that seems fair. That neatly captures the role she played in Taystee's life. But now it also occurs to me that she's also very much like Iago and his "motiveless malignancy." I do believe some people are just evil. I wouldn't want to see them rely on that too often, but I don't think they will. I suspect Vee will be one of a kind.

[DangerousMinds]

 

I totally agree. The flashbacks, especially, have made it very clear that Piper has a strong physical connection to Alex, more so it would seem than anyone else. I would add in addition to the one you mention, the Piper/Polly conversation that precedes the flashback of her meeting Larry. Polly notes that Piper keeps going for crazy-making girlfriends and Piper says something about liking hot ones. It seems to me that this could be read as Piper trying to recreate her relationship with Alex (minus the drug running) after their break up.

Hmm, I was under the impression that Alex was the one and only girlfriend Piper has ever had. Were there supposed to have been others?

[Madding crowd]

I was a little disappointed in Piper when she asked Larry and Polly to rat out Alex. She really is selfish. I did like the finale but felt there were too many moments (throughout the season really), when things happened to create a quick reaction from the audience rather than moving the story forward in a reasonable way. For example, glad Fig is gone but the last ditch BJ with Caputo didn't make me laugh like I'm sure it was supposed to. I also continue to be annoyed that we were supposed to think the actual warden didn't make any policies and Fig ran everything from her rather plush office. 

 

I still can't reconcile big-boned Russian sounding Rosa with medium boned Spanish sounding Rosa, but I guess I'm glad she got away and the radio happened to be playing "Dont't Fear the Reaper". I knew that she would end up hitting Vee too, but would rather have had something else happen. 

 

No longer like Suzanne, but my love of Poussey has grown this season so something good happened.

[Mindymoo]

I finally finished the second season, a bit later than everyone else. So, so glad that Vee is dead, even though it was telegraphed a mile away. I found Vee to share a lot of characteristics with Dr. Narcisse from "Boardwalk Empire." Both preyed on young, disenfranchised people, manipulated them, were able to talk an amazing game, and were able to get them to do some really, really repugnant shit. (Which I guess makes Poussey Chalky White, as she sees through Vee's bullshit, and Taystee is Daughter Maitland, since Vee is her evil mother figure.) Did any other BE fans make this connection? I am just curious.

 

I was glad that Rosa got away, and the transformation back into her younger self was quite remarkable. Since this is clearly the end of the line for her, I am really going to miss the actress.

 

Nicky and the heroin really worries me. I don't want her to end up like Trischa. Red needs to get well and back on her feet so she can take care of that shit once and for all. I know there will always be the chance of some prisoner bringing in contraband in some way, but I don't want Nicky going down that road again.

Edited June 16, 2014 by Mindy McIndy

[ElectricBoogaloo]

I especially disliked the scene where the assistant warden blew what's-his-face to keep him from telling on her, and then he was like, "Ha! I already told." I didn't think it was funny, and it made me a little uncomfortable.

Me, too. It seemed like the audience was supposed to cheer that or consider it a just part of her punishment. Otherwise, what was the point of it?

millennium

Perhaps to show that Caputo is equally despicable, in different ways.

I think it was to show us both of their characters. Fig is willing to resort to offering a blow job in exchange for Caputo's silence (and it really does make me suspect that the way she moved up from the warden's secretary to assistant warden was similar), and Caputo was willing to accept it knowing that he'd already turned over the evidence. They're both assholes!

[DrSpaceman]

I liked the ending with Vee getting hit and didn't see it coming. I found it believable how they all turned on her

I liked that Rosa got away to hoepfully die in peace.

As always, still not sure what to think of Piper and Alex ending. She didn't run, so now what happens? Nothing, I would guess. Did Piper tell her she was leaving when she really wasn't? Was it a test for Piper, was she trying to set her up somehow.

I still cannot buy Piper-Alex in current time. I can't see them as anything more than two who truly loved each other when they were together, but they have bothed moved on since and I don't think they any longer have anything in common. Its like if most of us tried to get back together with a high school GF/BF when they were 30. Usually doesn't work. Maybe Piper knows this and just has no one else. I didn't see Piper as that attracted to Alex. She was young and ALex offered her something new and exciting in many ways, so she took the chance and tried it. I know supposedly the storyline is supposed to be Piper via the jail time is realizing she is more like that person she was with Alex than the person she is now, but I still just don't buy that idea.

[Kel Varnsen]

As always, still not sure what to think of Piper and Alex ending. She didn't run, so now what happens? Nothing, I would guess. Did Piper tell her she was leaving when she really wasn't? Was it a test for Piper, was she trying to set her up somehow.

With respect to Alex I am pretty sure that being in possession of a gun would be in violation of her parole, so she would be headed back to prison. Although I am not sure what the chances of her heading back to Litchfield would be.

[DrSpaceman]

I suppose they could send her back for having a gun, but they know she is in danger from the drug dealer guy who was set free, so they may cut her some slack for that OR they may already know she had a gun for protection.  By the letter of the law though, yes, she violated the rules.  ITs different from fleeing the state or country though

[Kel Varnsen]

I suppose they could send her back for having a gun, but they know she is in danger from the drug dealer guy who was set free, so they may cut her some slack for that OR they may already know she had a gun for protection.  By the letter of the law though, yes, she violated the rules.  ITs different from fleeing the state or country though

When Alex met with Piper, she mentioned that she had a gun (which Piper commented was a parole violation), and that her parole officer was kind of a jerk and didn't really care that she was in danger. Based on that, plus the look on Alex's face when the PO came in her door, plus the fact that she was hiding the gun behind her back would indicate to me that the gun would be a big deal. Plus if they want to do Alex/Piper stories next season, they would need to get Alex back in prison, if this isn't how they are going to do it, then the scene with Davy Crockett would have been kind of pointless.

Edited June 17, 2014 by Kel Varnsen

[NoDakGrl]

I really hope that we won't see much of Larry and Piper's best friend.  While I don't really mind her best friend, I really think Larry is scum.  He has profited off of his fiancee's prison time and still tried to push her to be a snitch.  All he cares about is himself, and Piper is better off.  Polly's husband clocking him was the best.  He deserves so much more than that.

[bluedevilblue]

Hmm, I was under the impression that Alex was the one and only girlfriend Piper has ever had. Were there supposed to have been others?

 

There's an episode in Season 1 where they flashback to Polly's wedding (or rather when she's getting dressed with Piper).  Polly tells Piper that she's always dating girls who make her crazy and that she needs to settle down with someone who knows when to order Chinese.  Piper responds that she likes hot girls and hot guys* - she likes hot people.  But it's right after this flashback that they show the flashback to her meeting Larry and him offering to order Chinese.

 

* interestingly, it seemed to me that Piper added that reference to hot guys almost as an afterthought, like it was more in theory than practice and I think it's also interesting that Polly only mentioned the girls. IRL, I believe Piper Kerman had primarily, if not exclusively, dated women before her husband. And I know this show has deviated a ton from her actual story, but I this part seems to match up for the most part (unless my recollection is off).  A longer discussion of this probably belongs in the Piper thread, but I also think juxtaposing the conversation with Polly right before meeting Larry, really enforced how much Piper really did "create" her life with Larry and who she was when she was with him.  It was a deliberate decision to change her life.  And I think plays into her comments about how prison has both made her someone different and who she's always been. 

 

As for Alex, at the very least, they'd probably revoke her supervised release for the gun.  Given that not only is a violation of her release conditions, but it's also an entirely new crime - federal law prohibits possession of firearms by convicted felons - if all they did was pull her current release and not charge her anew, that would actually be doing her a favor.  They could do both - revoke her current release and prosecute her for the gun - but they probably won't. 

Edited June 17, 2014 by bluedevilblue

[DrSpaceman]

All true about Alex having the gun

 

I am wondering if she'd rather be back in prison.  She'd be safer there from the drug dealer she ratted out. 

ALso I was expecting a suicide attempt by Soso sometime this episode

[Pixel]

ALso I was expecting a suicide attempt by Soso sometime this episode

 

Eh, I don't know. Despite Soso's new disillusionment, I don't think she's hit bottom.

[jvr]

Your on point bluedevil, that is the exact scene from Bora Bora Bora I believe, I just got finished watching some random season 1 eps.

I think Piper added on the hot boys and hot people in general because Polly was only talking about girls in reply to Piper saying she couldn't imagine forever with somebody (Polly: "Considering the kind of girls you date?"). I believe your right that she must have been on a string of relationships with 'hot girls that drive you crazy' according to Polly.

This was post Alex right so it might tie into her looking to replicate that relationship with her, she even mentions she needs someone she has a chemical reaction with and she can go on adventures with. Polly hits back with that line, 'Adventure is just hardship with an inflated sense of self' or something like that. Polly tells her to settle for chinese food and we see her do that with Larry.

I don't think about real like Piper, I have not read her book. I just focus on what I see on my screen which is fiction.

Edited June 17, 2014 by jvr

[DEM]

I still can't reconcile big-boned Russian sounding Rosa with medium boned Spanish sounding Rosa

 

Until her first flashback, I was sure Miss Rosa was Romanian. I was very confused!

[sunfleck]

I wasn't a big fan of Soso, but I did like her musing that "this isn't like summer camp AT ALL." One of the big criticisms of the first season is that it portrayed prison too much like summer camp, so I thought she was speaking directly to the audience there.