S10.E17: Ship Happens

[itsadryheat]

Do alcoholics have hangovers like the rest of us mere mortals? Or are they numb.

If so, karma to Dorinda with that boat ride from hell.

[Jets4274]

Watching Dorinda on WWHL on her best behavior, she's in serious denial about her drinking problem.  I don't understand how she can watch herself on TV at the Miami dinner with Bethenny or in Colombia with Luann (amongst other times) and not want to hide or at least admit to having had at least a drink too much in those instances.  And she looks a mess every time with the slurring and lipstick smeared all over her face.  If she can make excuses for her nasty behavior while sober, I wonder what it will take for her to recognize that she should seek help.   

[ancslove]

Who were the editors trying to target, showing that fashion moment with Carole and Tinsley, that Bethenny couldn't stand?  I want to say that they were targeting Bethenny, since her reaction was OTT and she'd just gone on an epic shopping spree the previous episode, and yet I was on B's side here.  That conversation was the definition of inane.  It's not just that they were discussing fashion.  But is pairing a headwrap/scarf with a hat really so incredible?  Without the show, how long will Carole be able to stand Tinsley?

As for Dorinda, does she really not see the link between her over-drinking and her dark, furious outbursts?  She does have a turning point, and Luann's only mistake was not seeing it soon enough.  She'd already turned, not "was starting to turn".

[ShawnaLanne]

God, Dorinda is awful. Just awful. But, from personal experience, an alcoholic in denial becomes feral when confronted before they are ready.

Carole. Carole. The gaslighting. And both of them bickering like middle school witches.

Tinsley, smokey eye at breakfast is tacky AF 

Edited August 2, 2018 by ShawnaLanne

[DelicateDee]

Five pages of comments already and the episode hasn't even aired on the West Coast yet!  ??

[ScoobieDoobs]

Was Drunkinda still holding a drinkie when the boat was rockin'?  Mmmmm, 'kay.

Btw, Lu is kinda the last one to be pointing out to other drunks that they're drunks.  Just sayin' . . .

You know, I've been watching this stupid fucking show for 10 years, so it's not like I just met Lu in this ep, but shit, does that woman have a kick-ass bod or what?

[breezy424]

So much has been posted already....  I did get a kick out of Beth talking about a 15 foot wave coming at the boat.  So in real terms it was probably 3 feet.  The problem that afternoon was the wind.  It was causing chop and white caps.  The whole boat scene was kind of disappointing.  I'm with Tins.  But yeah, I would have asked for the life jackets.  Weather happens and that wasn't all that bad. 

I'm come to the conclusion that 'torture' is Beth's favorite word.  Dinner was a slice of torture.  She was told she has a long torturous colon.  Honey, you haven't a clue about real torture.  Sorry, I just can't stand the exaggerating.  She also couldn't stand it when Tins gave Carole a compliment.  Heck, you don't have to agree but you don't have to be so bitchy because it wasn't about your fashion sense.

[ShawnaLanne]

No Dorinda, at the end of the day, Lu was trying to help you save face, but Dorinda is a freaking feral animal, and so deep in furious denial that she is going to hold onto this forever, or until she decides that she's had enough.

I'm with Lu, darn it! Dorinda went dark. If Dorinda weren't feeling so ashamed and defensive she would not have gone off like that.

Edited August 2, 2018 by ShawnaLanne

[Jextella]

42 minutes ago, escatefromny said:

Good ear!  Dorinda attacked the banker with her shoe at the Regency (of course!) but in this episode, she references an incident at a different location - Bar and Books on the UES (which I remember being a cigar bar, meaning you can smoke, so I can see her there).

PS - sorry for posting fake Bethenny tweet.

 

Well, it may be fake, but I'd bet hard-earned cash that it's true.  Dorinda is on more than just booze.  No question about it for me. 

[itsadryheat]

5 minutes ago, DelicateDee said:

Five pages of comments already and the episode hasn't even aired on the West Coast yet!  ??

Weird-I'm in the microwave oven know as Phoenix, and our episode airs at 6pm.

And we are in the same time zone.

A plus for living in the desert in the summer!

[Keywestclubkid]

I still wanna know why there was shit on the floor and neither Ramona or Sonja seemed to be embarrassed in the least and just kept walking through it. 

[goofygirl]

BEST episode ever!! Loved the whole boat thing, made me laugh my fool head off!! And my favorite moment of all?? Lu SHIT THE BED and she admitted it.  That poor housekeeper cleaning the mattress said it all.

Edited August 2, 2018 by goofygirl
As usual, typing!

[ScoobieDoobs]

47 minutes ago, SuprSuprElevated said:

I understand why they would want to, but I would imagine that the Captain and crew were a little busy trying to keep that vessel upright.

OK, did we see this?  A shot of them doing that woulda been nice.  See, that's what I mean.  This was filmed & edited in a way that was soooo non-dramatic -- other than that stupid blaring music.  From the previews, I was expecting so much more than this disappointing buncha nothing we got.

I was on a whale-watching boat last summer off Provincetown & it was rocking like crazy.  Seemed way worse than the buncha nothin' we just saw in this ep.  Idk, color me deeply unimpressed. 

And given what happened with the duck boat, I think they should NOT have aired this buncha nothin' scene at all & just re-edited to go in a maybe slightly different direction.  It would have been easy enough for producers to do & it would have been the respectful & right thing to do.  But Andy Cohen & Bravo clearly only care about ratings.

Edited August 2, 2018 by ScoobieDoobs

[ShawnaLanne]

Bethany. Drop it. It's over. Just drop it. Carole does not care. At all. About you. She used you.

1 minute ago, ScoobieDoobs said:

OK, did we see this?  A shot of them doing that woulda been nice.  See, that's what I mean.  This was filmed & edited in a way that was soooo non-dramatic -- other than that stupid blaring music.  From the previews, I was expecting so much more than this disappointing buncha nothing we got.

I was on a whale-watching boat last summer off Provincetown & it was rocking like crazy.  Seemed way worse than the buncha nothin' we just saw in this ep.  Idk, color me deeply unimpressed. 

And given what happened with the duck boat, I think they should NOT have aired this 3 minute buncha nothin'at all & just re-edited to go in a different direction.  It would have been easy enough for producers to do & it would have been the respectful & right thing to do.  But Andy Cohen & Bravo clearly only care about ratings.

Sonja said the camera people had to put the camera's down. Safety.

[Anonysaurus]

I think I hate Bethenny. She's such a hypocritical bitch.

 

She goes on a massive shopping spree. Wants to make sure to save her hat during this boat ride from hell. But a group of women discuss shopping and she says "shoot me shoot me" multiple times. Carole gives the women earrings and she says it makes her sick. She CANNOT stand not being the focus of attention. Everything is only ok when she does it, no one else. And what's frustrating is that Tinsley has been extremely nice to her and hasn't been rude or cold at all even though she's obviously closer to Carole.

 

Show of hands that B would stab someone or have a nuclear meltdown if she walked in on someone talking shit about her the way she was doing with Carole. I don't mean one or two sentences of explanation but she was obviously ranting about it. She doesn't shut about it geez. Again, she's allowed but no one else is.

 

And finally, be your own person! Stand on your own two feet. Carole doesn't want to be your friend any more, I totally get why. STOP TALKING ABOUT IT. I understand where Carole is coming from - they talk and talk and talk and talk and talk and she says the same thing over and over and over but because she doesn't bow down to B and beg for forgiveness, B keeps bringing it up. God. Have some respect. If she is this needy in her friendships god help Dennis.

[Keywestclubkid]

14 minutes ago, Anonysaurus said:

I think I hate Bethenny. She's such a hypocritical bitch.

 

She goes on a massive shopping spree. Wants to make sure to save her hat during this boat ride from hell. But a group of women discuss shopping and she says "shoot me shoot me" multiple times. Carole gives the women earrings and she says it makes her sick. She CANNOT stand not being the focus of attention. Everything is only ok when she does it, no one else. And what's frustrating is that Tinsley has been extremely nice to her and hasn't been rude or cold at all even though she's obviously closer to Carole.

 

Show of hands that B would stab someone or have a nuclear meltdown if she walked in on someone talking shit about her the way she was doing with Carole. I don't mean one or two sentences of explanation but she was obviously ranting about it. She doesn't shut about it geez. Again, she's allowed but no one else is.

 

And finally, be your own person! Stand on your own two feet. Carole doesn't want to be your friend any more, I totally get why. STOP TALKING ABOUT IT. I understand where Carole is coming from - they talk and talk and talk and talk and talk and she says the same thing over and over and over but because she doesn't bow down to B and beg for forgiveness, B keeps bringing it up. God. Have some respect. If she is this needy in her friendships god help Dennis.

I seriously think it’s the fact that Carole doesn’t beg Bethany to be her friend is what is driving Bethany insane. She’s used to the ass kissing and everyone falling on themselves to want to be her friend so when she threatens to end their friendship and Carole doesn’t grovel that freaks Bethany out That’s not how she’s supposed to act she’s supposed to kiss her feet and tell her she will do whatever to be her friend. They are both women over 40 stop acting like teenagers and just don’t be friends Jesus Christ 

Edited August 2, 2018 by Keywestclubkid

[ScoobieDoobs]

14 minutes ago, breezy424 said:

So much has been posted already....  I did get a kick out of Beth talking about a 15 foot wave coming at the boat.  So in real terms it was probably 3 feet.  The problem that afternoon was the wind.  It was causing chop and white caps.  The whole boat scene was kind of disappointing.  I'm with Tins.  But yeah, I would have asked for the life jackets.  Weather happens and that wasn't all that bad. 

I'm come to the conclusion that 'torture' is Beth's favorite word.  Dinner was a slice of torture.  She was told she has a long torturous colon.  Honey, you haven't a clue about real torture.  Sorry, I just can't stand the exaggerating.  She also couldn't stand it when Tins gave Carole a compliment.  Heck, you don't have to agree but you don't have to be so bitchy because it wasn't about your fashion sense.

Yup, the cams were down, so our gal Bethenny, that bastion of truth & honesty, can now say those waves were 15 feet.  Sure it wasn't 800 feet, Bethenny?

Yeah, Bethenny is working over-time trying to get us to feel sorry for her.  Poor her.  Fancy vacays, beautiful homes, constant shopping for clothes, jewelry, bags, whatever.  Yeah, poor her. Boo-hoo-hoo.  When she starts with that stupid annoying fucking crying, I tune out quick.  Have no patience for that shit anymore.

5 minutes ago, ShawnaLanne said:

Sonja said the camera people had to put the camera's down. Safety.

I know, but the producers made sure to film these broads screaming & doing their usual over-dramatics.  How about at least one shot of crew members doing their jobs or trying to calm them down?  Idk, I'm suspicious something doesn't seem right.

[BloggerAloud]

The whole situation with Dorinda is so odd because she gets mad at Luann, seems to be sort of remorseful and then is extra embolden in her original feelings whenever they cut to her in the confessionals. Like saying "I could've been a lot meaner" is such a weird hill to die on. And she has managed to drift through this season, openly shit stirring and fighting with folks while everybody keeps making up excuses for her. I wonder what will happen at the reunion with the absence of Lu, I would hope some of the harsh glare turns onto Dorinda.

In regards the camera crew and footage, I remember way back when this was being reported as a thing that had happened, there were definitely bits about how not all of the things were going to be shown because there were whispers of some them wanting to sue.

And with the Bethenny/Carole stuff, Bethenny is getting dangerously close to giving a "Choose me, Love Me, Pick Me" speech a la Meredith Grey to Carole.

Edited August 2, 2018 by BloggerAloud

[hoodooznoodooz]

What the heck is going on with Sonja’s hair in the THs? In one, it looks like she crimped her hair. In another, it looks like she took a wig out of a bag and just put it on, without combing it or tidying it up at all. 

[BloggerAloud]

10 minutes ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

What the heck is going on with Sonja’s hair in the THs? In one, it looks like she crimped her hair. In another, it looks like she took a wig out of a bag and just put it on, without combing it or tidying it up at all. 

It just highlights how pieced together from different interviews these confessionals are. I noticed it going from crimped to New Wig Who Dis

[hoodooznoodooz]

How do you leave human excrement on the floor? And how do you leave it on the floor, and not try to clean it up?

[ShawnaLanne]

2 minutes ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

How do you leave human excrement on the floor? And how do you leave it on the floor, and not try to clean it up?

I hope they tipped the staff like mofo's.

[jumper sage]

1 hour ago, Keywestclubkid said:

I still wanna know why there was shit on the floor and neither Ramona or Sonja seemed to be embarrassed in the least and just kept walking through it. 

I could not believe that.

12 minutes ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

How do you leave human excrement on the floor? And how do you leave it on the floor, and not try to clean it up?

Right?  Watching the maids cleaning the mattresses is why I won't stay in a hotel.  Those women should be mortified.

How the hell does Ramona NOT know how to swim?  That can't be right.  I will never understand people who don't know how to swim.

[yourmomiseasy]

Of course Bethenny's colon is skinny.

[BloggerAloud]

3 minutes ago, yourmomiseasy said:

Of course Bethenny's colon is skinny.

Bethenny will do anything to remain on brand.

[Juneau Gal]

Is Adam contractually obligated to look like a giant ass in every Coupon Cabin commercial or does it just come naturally? Never mind, I know the answer.

[yourmomiseasy]

And of course Sonja is swimming with her tag still attached so she can get more when she eventually consigns her bathing suit.  Also, Jesus.  Who wants to wear a bathing suit after Sonja.  Bleh.

Edited August 2, 2018 by yourmomiseasy

[Sew Sumi]

13 minutes ago, Juneau Gal said:

Is Adam contractually obligated to look like a giant ass in every Coupon Cabin commercial or does it just come naturally? Never mind, I know the answer.

Holding Baby! Are you fucking kidding me?

[Jets4274]

3 hours ago, Keywestclubkid said:

I still wanna know why there was shit on the floor and neither Ramona or Sonja seemed to be embarrassed in the least and just kept walking through it. 

This needs to come up during the reunion show because I want to hear how a group of upper-class, elite women on a TV show could be so nasty.  Everyone has suffered from diarrhea but how many of us have lost control of our bowels to such an extreme?  It's absolutely disgusting.  Hope the staff at that house got paid extra to deal with that shit (pun intended).

[film noire]

Dorinda: Jesus, what a mess. She's run by grief and rage and booze, ready to turn on whoever is handy (and with a bitterness spewed like projectile vomit). And always unwilling next day to look inside  (like all deep-in-it alcoholics) because that's where the chaos lives. She's not good tv anymore, imo; she's everybody's nightmare of a drunk on a bender looking to draw blood.

That said (and I know this is a huge motherfucking caveat coming here) but THAT aside,  I have to say the image of Doris shrieking "We're taking on water!" (like Gene Hackman in "The Poseiden Adventure" -- right before Gene hangs over a death pit of ocean water, clinging to a giant wheel and excoriating the Lord himself for leading then down this path of madness -- as Doris herself led us all down a path, pretending to be all make-it-nice and Lady Diana-faced and sleepovers watching Law and Order, when really, she's a better candidate for "Intervention" at this point than a fluffy show about NY howives frittering their days away).  All that aside, that fucking line made me laugh. So thank you, Dorinda (or as you would say in Dorindish: "Allassside, oneFUCKPHRAS MUD meluff so fankyewDo.")

Tins:  I've grown to like her. Among other things, I think she's the most sophisticated traveler of them all (genuinely so; not in a competitive "Oh, I spent the holidays in a yurt in the Himalayas eating the most delish caramalized wild yam jam!" way).  She's also the one I'd most like to travel with in this crew  -- she loves the country, finds it magical, and is happy to take on the day as it unfolds -- if that includes a rocking boat or bitches sniping at each other, so be it.

Ramona: she was the sane one this trip. How is that not terrifying? Like finding out Lizard People really are running the planet (or at least Bravo).  I missed her trademarked bathing-suit-and-heels pouter-pigeon walk; she moved like a linebacker this trip  -- all shoulders and squared off torso and machine-like hips --  that's not the Ramona I've come to cherish! (And for the record, Moaner? If Tins wants to spend time being a wife, good for her.  Surely you're not policing a forty + year old women as if she were a Mormon child bride? OF COURSE YOU ARE.)

Sonja: good to know -  in matters of pissing and cleaning thereof  - that she doesn't actually need a bidet. 

 

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@Texas Gal

I really could have lived without seeing that poor maid scrubbing a presumably shit stained mattress.  I hope they tipped well

Not enough money in the world to clean up Luann's crap -- the woman left feces behind to be cleaned by a woman making pennies to every American dollar the Countess rakes in -- imo she is, by any definition, an entitled  piece of shit.

 

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@Mozelle

You mean to tell me that Bethenny has been--wait for it--full of shit this whole time?

 

Edited August 2, 2018 by film noire

[bichonblitz]

7 hours ago, Neurochick said:

They got sick because they ate before getting on that boat.

They got sick because they were drinking before getting on that boat. 

[biakbiak]

7 hours ago, LilaFowler said:

I've spent plenty of times on a boat but we've never had to cut off the anchor to avoid capsizing.

But that wasn’t what was happening when Tinsley said that, Sonja must only have had calm seas on her non existent yacht with John-John and Puffy, because when Tinsley said that Sonja was being ridiculous. On the tight edit it looks like Ramona is also freaking out but actually the longer clip she showed she is actually laughing while agreeing with Tinsley. 

Also, Sonja tug boats are built to pull gazillions times their weight so they are stable as shit.

[biakbiak]

2 hours ago, film noire said:

Luann's crap -- the woman left feces behind to be cleaned by a woman making pennies to every American dollar the Countess rakes in -- imo she is, by any definition, an entitled  piece of shit.

What was she supposed to do burn it? I doubt she willingly shit the bed. It can happen with diarrhea and it’s wouldn’t been great for Lu either who had to clean herself up and the mattress didn’t appear bad, we saw shit stains on the floor from either Ramona and Sonja and they could have easily cleaned up.

[weaver]

8 hours ago, Mozelle said:

What the hell kinda retcon is this? LOL. Bethenny said she's never had this kind of thing with a friend? I guess...Jill...hey, Jill!

This would've been the perfect moment for Jill to arrive at the house, screeching, "Bethennyyyyyyyy!!!"

And what about her two ex husbands?

[Higgins]

9 hours ago, BodhiGurl said:

Had roles been reversed, and BF had sea sickness, im going to go ahead and doubt Carole would be by her side rubbing her back... just saying...

If I am puking, please don't rub my back or touch me at all. Thanks.....

[CrinkleCutCat]

Too many bodily functions for one episode ? Piss, vomit, shit, and verbal diarrhea!

The joyous highlight for me was Ramona freaking out in the hammock about the crab/spider! That was a moment of true hilarity for me ? ... tinged with almost the physical pain of imagining that was me in the hot seat, or hot hammock, and the blessed relief it wasn’t me going through that! Do we laugh harder when we are relieved it’s not us?!

As an aside, I note that so many posts tonight pose questions....so many things we don’t know... like where IS Evelyn posting online?

Edited August 2, 2018 by CrinkleCutCat

[Higgins]

8 hours ago, KungFuBunny said:

That's not Bethenny - it's a fake account

However there's a 100% chance Dorinda was coked up during the trip. Some have commented did Dorinda wake up drunk - maybe she never went to sleep

That's what I think.

[coops]

The most funniest moment of this episode, or even this season, was when Bethenny was bitching about Carole and she walked in and Sonja's draw just drops and she breaks the fourth wall and looks right at the camera in muted horror! 

The boat ride from hell... I don't blame them for not being able to film, but that whole part could have edited a lot better. If they had inserted the talking heads into the boat sequence that would have made the editing of what was going on less less choppy (sorry) instead it was a bit of a let down after how much they built it up.

[Lizzing]

I feel kind of cheated.  The boat trip footage was not nearly as much as promised, but I too read the rumors that law suits were threatened because of the  choppy ride.  That, however, does not excuse leaving out the dinner afterward, at which camera were clearly present, or we wouldn't have had that 5 second clip of dancing.  It wouldn't have killed the editors to show at least some fun on this trip.

And yeah, Dorinda was still drunk off her ass at breakfast at the start of the episode.  She's at a level of Kim Richards at Original Game Night and needs to stop drinking before she gets to Kim Richards at Target level.

[Ms Blue Jay]

8 hours ago, ancslove said:

Who were the editors trying to target, showing that fashion moment with Carole and Tinsley, that Bethenny couldn't stand?  I want to say that they were targeting Bethenny, since her reaction was OTT and she'd just gone on an epic shopping spree the previous episode, and yet I was on B's side here.  That conversation was the definition of inane.  It's not just that they were discussing fashion.  But is pairing a headwrap/scarf with a hat really so incredible?  Without the show, how long will Carole be able to stand Tinsley?

I interpreted it as Bethenny not being able to stand Tinsley kissing Carole's ass about the fashion.  I'm not judging Tinsley, she admires Carole and she seems innocent and nice about it.  But it made Bethenny's jealousy go up like crazy.  It's like their bragging about their friendship in front of her after she lost hers -- again, I think Tinsley was just being herself but Bethenny didn't like it.  Bethenny is also probably jealous of Carole's connections to the Kennedys blah blah because they mentioned Lee Radziwill and it was just "too much" for her.

Edited August 2, 2018 by Ms Blue Jay

[b2H]

9 hours ago, snarts said:

It was too dangerous for the cameramen to continue filming on the boat,  but why skip filming that night? 

They were probably sicker than hell.

Here's what I don't get:  the house manager (and even Tinsley) said this happens every day around 3p.  So why did they feel the need to abandon the island immediately?  Does this condition last the rest of the day, and into the night?  Why not stay until the next day or until the waves pass?  They're at the Equator - light lasts long into the night, even at that time of the year.  I wouldn't be surprised if this was done to create the drama, but they over-played the hand here.

Edited August 2, 2018 by b2H

[Ms Blue Jay]

8 hours ago, BloggerAloud said:

In regards the camera crew and footage, I remember way back when this was being reported as a thing that had happened, there were definitely bits about how not all of the things were going to be shown because there were whispers of some them wanting to sue.

Exactly - there's a lawsuit in the works.  Everyone can Google it.  They probably had to be really choosy about the footage.

[Keywestclubkid]

4 minutes ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

Exactly - there's a lawsuit in the works.  Everyone can Google it.  They probably had to be really choosy about the footage.

a lawsuit? I mean they have them on film bitching about needing to leave and saying they arnt in a dingy and they dont want to leave and they will be fine and that they should be able to stay longer even after being warned about the water getting bad.....

Edited August 2, 2018 by Keywestclubkid

[coops]

How exactly could the housewives sue Bravo for what happened on the boat and hope to remain on the show? Wouldn't that condemn them to a firing or at least a lifetime of bad editing? 

[OFDgal]

11 hours ago, QuinnM said:

Carole is just looking for things to pick on.  I loved B’s saying ‘yes and you were just talking to *** about something that just happened’.       So we are 5 minutes in and already I need Carole to STFU.

 

Yes to this!  She also needs to stop chewing with her mouth open.  It's disgusting to watch.  She's been called out on this numerous times on this board.  Why would she continue to eat like this.  Not very princessey.

[Alonzo Mosely FBI]

I waited all season for THAT footage of the boat ride with CAMERAS shut off? Not even any audio????? Fuck that! LAME!

Edited August 2, 2018 by Alonzo Mosely FBI

[OFDgal]

11 hours ago, WhoaWhoKnew said:

I get the feeling that if she didn't have money all of her friends and connections would view her as a garbage lowlife.

Agree.  If she didn't have money, she probably wouldn't even have those friends.  Probably be sitting at home alone drinking 2 Buck Chuck (or however much it costs now).

[Juniebaby]

Raise your hand if you think Sonja leaves the tags on because she is returning the clothing to the store for a full refund instead of her claim of selling it to a consignment store.

[mytmo]

Did Sonja actually throw something piss soaked at Tinsley while arguing with her on the boat?  Like a monkey throwing poo.

[Gem 10]

11 hours ago, LilaFowler said:

Tinsley is so vapid and stupid. I wish that Carole would take her with her when she leaves the show.

Tinsley is a cute little girl, but that’s just it .. she isn’t womanly .. doesn’t think like a woman .. doesn’t look like a woman.  IMO, of course.

Edited August 2, 2018 by Gem 10