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AngelaHunter

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4 hours ago, Superclam said:

"Star." 

Honestly, though, it's kind of dicky to film someone like this. I know everyone has a video camera now, but the Golden Rule could be used in a lot of cases. 

Definitely dicky and not something I would do, but if you want to throw a kicking, screaming wailing tantrum in a common area of a building and then claim, while being handcuffed for an out-of-control assault, that your privacy is being invaded that's pretty dicky too. I'm just amazed that anyone recognized her. And talk about being a dick:

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“This is so fun. I’ve always wanted to get arrested,” she says to the arresting officers.

1 hour ago, OoohMaggie said:

That’s not exactly true, she left after the Saviour war had ended,

Maybe she left because knowing that Ricky and his girlfriend were guarding Negan against any harm and using up valuable resources to feed and care for him after he beat Glenn's head in was too galling for her.

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mfw they let Negan ruin an entire network...

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1 hour ago, AngelaHunter said:

Definitely dicky and not something I would do, but if you want to throw a kicking, screaming wailing tantrum in a common area of a building and then claim, while being handcuffed for an out-of-control assault, that your privacy is being invaded that's pretty dicky too. I'm just amazed that anyone recognized her.

I guess I miss the days where you could act like an asshole in public and only the people there see it. Takes all the fun out of public drunkenness. 😞 

1 hour ago, AngelaHunter said:

And talk about being a dick:

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“This is so fun. I’ve always wanted to get arrested,” she says to the arresting officers.

Yep! That is really dicky! 

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OoohMaggie

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18 hours ago, Superclam said:

Honestly, though, it's kind of dicky to film someone like this. I know everyone has a video camera now, but the Golden Rule could be used in a lot of cases. 

When you’ve got TV shows paying $100’s for video of you dropping your child on its head, footage of ‘STARS’ misbehaving or preferably getting shot must be paying a premium 🤑

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OoohMaggie

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15 hours ago, icemiser69 said:

Most of the settlement folks never really challenge "leadership".  Sure they complain a little, but they also back down pretty quickly.

Absolutely, the fact that nobody stood against Jesus in the leadership vote says it all. They should have had what they do now at Alex, a council, especially after seeing what one man, Rick, can do if left in charge too long.

Maggie wont have time to party, there’s too many graves to be laying flowers on 

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4 hours ago, icemiser69 said:

I really wish they would show Nagen's backstory before the ZA.  I figure he was either a motivational speaker at a porn convention or a high school gym teacher.

I always figured Negan for either a high school coach or a used car salesman.

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AngelaHunter

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3 hours ago, Nashville said:

I always figured Negan for either a high school coach or a used car salesman.

Considering his constant talk of dicks, balls and nut taps, I say high school coach. Although he's smarmy enough to be a used car salesman, his language and approach leaves something to be desired: "Gooood mornin' you little prick! Got your pissin' pants on? Cuz you're gonna piss your pants when you see this sweet '02 Chevy Aveo here with your name on it! Happy hour at the p****y bar when you tool around in this baby, trust me!"

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Y’all ever hear a used car salesman on a clunker lot try to sell a piece of shit to a guy in his teens/20s?  I have, more than once - and I’ll guarantee you if the salesman thinks there’s not a female in earshot, the phrase “pussy wagon” is not an unknown inclusion in the sales pitch.  Their guiding rule is, “Whatever works.”

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AngelaHunter

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5 hours ago, OoohMaggie said:

it’s official-ish

All out war was the worst

The Walking Dead: All But One of the Show’s 10 Worst Episodes Are From Seasons 7 and 8

 

https://comicbook.com/thewalkingdead/2019/12/28/the-walking-dead-ten-worst-episodes-ranked-seasons-7-and-8/

I started to look at the list, but it created such unpleasant flashbacks I nearly had  to dunk my head in icewater.

However, that article lead to an even worse one about Negan:
 

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Recently, Morgan's character has emerged as the best part of The Walking Dead. Throughout the current season, the character has provided some of the most interesting story beats and outright entertaining moments. Of course, he was also reunited with his precious Lucille bat and his leather jacket which always makes the character that much more fun.

"Kang's take on Negan is one which makes him slightly more relatable for fans," ComicBook.com's article about Negan reads. Yes, this is still the guy who killed beloved characters which makes it difficult to fully embrace him, but that conflict makes the whole thing that much more intriguing. Now, Negan is fully defending kids from harm and stopping murderers in their tracks."

 

That JDM named his car "Lucille" and had the bat engraved on the trunk is just creepy.

 

https://comicbook.com/thewalkingdead/2019/12/24/the-walking-dead-jeffrey-dean-morgan-negan-bat-car/

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The Walking Dead: AMC Chief Admits Seasons With Negan as the Villain Were “Too Hopeless”
 

No shit,

"It’s true to say that that season with Negan became a little too hopeless for audiences. I think that there was creative intention behind it that was really smart and thoughtful, but it I think it probably pushed people to a place where it was a lot to take at a time when maybe people just didn’t want to see that."

 

https://comicbook.com/thewalkingdead/2020/01/17/the-walking-dead-amc-chief-seasons-negan-as-villain-too-hopeless-savior-war/

 

 

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The real takeaway is the series has been on the air too long, with repetitive plot arcs and really no end game.

Sure they want to keep it on the air as long as possible, since it's their most popular show.

But when there is no end in sight for the story, people wonder what is the point.  Survival alone, even if it means defeating villains, becomes a tedious existence.

Now several characters are having babies in the post-apocalypse.  What kind of a life will they give to the children?  Nomadic existence broken up by protracted battles.

But what are they fighting for?  To win and survive in a shitty world?

At least with other shows, they were chasing something, some objective, even if illusory which was suppose to break the cycle.  But TWD doesn't even have that dangling in front of them.  Instead of dogs in a race chasing a fake rabbit, they're just wild dogs roaming around in packs digging for scraps, killing other packs to win those scraps.

Of course AMC won't make this conclusion because they have no choice but to keep milking it.

 

 

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AngelaHunter

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4 hours ago, OoohMaggie said:

"It’s true to say that that season with Negan became a little too hopeless for audiences. I think that there was creative intention behind it that was really smart and thoughtful, but it I think it probably pushed people to a place where it was a lot to take at a time when maybe people just didn’t want to see that."

"Hopeless"? "A lot to take in"?  Is that code for "Stupid, tedious, nonsensical and boring"? Because yes, "people don't want to see that."

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I think that there was creative intention behind it that was really smart and thoughtful,

Who comes up with this babble-speak bullshit?

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Negan has found redemption of sorts under Kang: a poll conducted in November showed a majority of fans who voted are now in favor of Negan and are actively rooting for the anti-hero

Good job, Kang. You certainly haven't underestimated those fans. What's a little on-going sadism, rape, and sexual slavery anyway?  All water under the bridge. Negan! Negan! Rah rah!

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Here's the original L.A. Times article containing the Sarah Barnett quote that's being posted all over the place (it's a long interview)...

Cable TV can survive the streaming wars. AMC chief Sarah Barnett explains how
By MATT BRENNAN   JAN. 16, 2020 
https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/tv/story/2020-01-16/sarah-barnett-amc-networks-the-walking-dead-killing-eve 

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Pure scale may not be Barnett’s mission, but that doesn’t mean she’s hesitant about doubling down on what works. After launching the acclaimed “Killing Eve” in her previous role as the chief of BBC America, in 2019 Barnett oversaw the simulcast of its second season on AMC, which led to an 87% rise in viewership. She’s also a booster for the expansion of “The Walking Dead” universe, which will soon include a second spinoff, “World Beyond,” and at least one feature film distributed by Universal. She and the franchise’s lead creative, Scott Gimple, aren’t necessarily going to stop there, either.

“We’re plotting a lot more ambition for this,” she says. “I think there are endless stories to be told in this universe.”
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While Barnett argues that the blockbuster zombie property has unfairly become a standard-bearer for “the rise of hollow-genre programming,” she admits that the AMC brand — once defined by Golden Age dramas like “Mad Men” and “Breaking Bad” — is “in an evolutionary phase,” and the network’s forthcoming projects suggest a departure from its recent horror-heavy slate. Among new series in the works are “Quiz,” about a British couple accused of cheating on “Who Wants to Be a Millionaire”; “For Life,” an anthology Barnett pitches as “‘Black Mirror’ for love”; courtroom drama “61st Street”; and a wildly ambitious spin on the sitcom wife, “Kevin Can Go ... Himself.”
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[L.A. Times:] I’d argue that there was a period in Seasons 6, 7, 8 where part of what was shaping that narrative was a sense among critics of a decline in the creative. How do you avoid ‘Walking Dead’ fatigue or zombie fatigue or, even more broadly, horror fatigue — turning off fans of the ‘Mad Men’ and ‘Breaking Bad’ brand.
[Barnett:] When we look at our study with our audiences, it doesn’t turn them off. They love “The Walking Dead” and they love “Better Call Saul” just as much. I don’t think fans of AMC discriminate between genre and non-genre in the ways that maybe critics do. ... I would challenge anyone to watch the last couple seasons of “The Walking Dead” and not say that that is remarkable storytelling that has a lot of complexity and depth and emotion to it that is real and earned, along with the horror aspects.

In terms of the quality question, I think that with 10 seasons of television — something like “ER” or “Grey’s Anatomy” — shows go through spurts. We’ve done a lot of research on the response to it and we certainly have our own thoughts about it. It’s true to say that that season with Negan [a mega-villain played by Jeffrey Dean Morgan] became a little too hopeless for audiences. I think that there was creative intention behind it that was really smart and thoughtful, but it I think it probably pushed people to a place where it was a lot to take at a time when maybe people just didn’t want to see that.

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17 hours ago, AngelaHunter said:

"Hopeless"? "A lot to take in"?  Is that code for "Stupid, tedious, nonsensical and boring"? Because yes, "people don't want to see that."

Yes, thank you.  Besides being hopeless it was also stupid and nonsensical.  Lose - lose. 

I'm glad they conducted research to discover people don't enjoy repeatedly watching heroes die humiliating deaths.  I'm sure they'll get it right now. 🙄 

Maybe they should take a peek at Tarantino's success, which is retconning history so that the BAD GUYS get the humiliating deaths.  

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AngelaHunter

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5 hours ago, peach said:

I'm glad they conducted research to discover people don't enjoy repeatedly watching heroes die humiliating deaths. 

One exception: When they finish transforming Negan into their version of a hero then, yes - I'd be all in for a humiliating death.

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I don’t watch The Young and the Restless either.

What kind of character development can you have in a world where existence is going around fighting one group after another?

They try to give the characters some unique personality traits but those are just mannerisms or just have unique weapons.  It’s always been cartoony.

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Of course, this is an action-oriented show.

They spend a lot of time and money on battles or making sets where they kill walkers in unique ways.

If they did too much relationship stuff, they'd be accused of being too much of a soap opera.

I don't have a problem with the action per se but what is it building to?  Really  nothing, because they plan to keep producing the show for another decade or more, so they have to come up with new villains and battles.

No end in sight to these survival battles, because Kirkman has been dead set against an end, like a cure that starts to restore the world.

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AngelaHunter

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4 hours ago, icemiser69 said:

The reason why the series has turned sour for many is because there is little to no character development.  Give people a reason to care about the characters.  The writers haven't done that.  

Absolutely. In the first few seasons we got to really know and care about the characters. When they died it meant something to audiences, I think. Now? Kill Saddiq or Neil or "that lady" or the "guy with the moustache" or some Whisperer and who cares? Not I.  I think the last time I felt anything other than, "Oh. Whatever" when someone got bumped off was Abe. There was some character development with him and they did a pretty good job, so maybe people cared for his demise. I didn't even care about Glenn since they did such a thorough job of turning him into a dreary pendantic bore before killing him. It was hard to care about Carl dying, since TPTB gave him such a senseless, maddening and idiotic exit. Same with Rick. By the time they dragged out his nonsensical (fake)death, cutting away constantly for irrelvent stuff, I just thought, "Oh, die already!"

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AngelaHunter

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4 hours ago, iRarelyWatchTV36 said:

Way to try and monetize an old Rick Grimes quote from a past season, tptb.   Truly original.

Hey, if one more strip of skin can be flogged from that dead horse it will be done.

What the hell is that freaky spiderweb looking thing hanging off Elpha's eye? Is it an artistic choice? We know how well TPTB do when they decide "We are artistes!"

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OoohMaggie

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On 1/29/2020 at 6:09 PM, icemiser69 said:

I am surprised that he didn't work a "Klingons on Uranus" reference into his response.

If the Klingons were not just on but also ‘Exploring Uranus’ then who knows where the infection could have originated 🙄

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AngelaHunter

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10 hours ago, OoohMaggie said:

I still can’t heat it because my VPN has run out, do you have to use headphones?

Try NordVPN. Works great and I think they're having a sale on right now.

Anyway, you didn't miss much. Just stupid whispering/mumbling and the scraping.

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OoohMaggie

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20 hours ago, AngelaHunter said:

Try NordVPN. Works great and I think they're having a sale on right now.

I was with ‘Express’ for a year, but the renewal price was just taking the piss, I was holding out for a last ditch “please renew with us” offer, but it never appeared.

ill try a few ‘trial period’ offers, using some disposable emails, in the hope that one will offer me a good deal.

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4 hours ago, OoohMaggie said:

I was with ‘Express’ for a year, but the renewal price was just taking the piss, I was holding out for a last ditch “please renew with us” offer, but it never appeared.

ill try a few ‘trial period’ offers, using some disposable emails, in the hope that one will offer me a good deal.

 I use Windscribe.  It is free for 10 G. per month,  That's enough for me and it works fine.  No ads or hassles, really good.

https://windscribe.com/?affid=p3aqx1gz

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OoohMaggie

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15 hours ago, heisenberg said:

I use Windscribe.  It is free for 10 G. per month,  That's enough for me and it works fine.  No ads or hassles, really good.

Thanks  I’ll give it a go, although I can burn through 10G in one sitting, maybe that’ll generate a decent offer 💷

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AngelaHunter

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5 hours ago, icemiser69 said:

If the protagonists weren't written as morons and if the writers would stop using flashbacks, that would go a long way in improving the ratings.  

Flashbacks are fine if used properly. However, none of TPTB seem to know how to do this and the flashbacks are so disjointed and random. They're stuck in like afterthoughts, e.g. how Dr. Whateverhisnamewas from the Whisperers joined our gang. His backstory, when someone finally thought to create one, raced along so nonsensically it looked as though someone had a lightbulb go off over his/her head at the 11th hour: "Oh shit. We forgot to explain that! Someone think of something quick!" then just stuck it in any old place. It made no sense at all to me. We, or I should say "I", am left wondering what the hell I'm watching. What's going on? Is this happening now? Is it something from the past? I know they feel they're making art but to me it's just an amateurish mess.

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AngelaHunter

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2 hours ago, OoohMaggie said:

It’s ok to show Walkers feeding off brains, but a little one on one action between beloved characters is a no-no?

Yep. A little girl lying bloodied and dead is fine by them. An adult man and woman having, or even thinking about sex is just too shocking and obscene. I'm thinking Kirkman and AMC don't like to deal with adult sexuality (although they have no problem with a juvenile preoccupation with bodily functions) in any way unless it's Negan raping his sex slaves. Even that was only implied. For all we know, he just liked to hang out with them, engage in witty repartee and have a relaxing drink. It's all a perplexing, weird mix of the vile and the puritanical. I've never seen anything like it.

 

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