Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

[Cinnabon]

14 minutes ago, Churchhoney said:

Woohoo!

One thing that definitely was not in Joshley's favor, I expect, is that his is just one of many many many many very very very similar cases that have been moving through that district over the past few years (and continue to). All the cases, including his, have probably been handled in virtually identical ways and by the same people. This argument they've made suggests that he's some kind of special snowflake who's being especially disadvantaged by the process. But it was the same process that they're using over and over again. And so the judges have seen it over and over again. So all the disadvantages to Josh that the legal team has intimated may be in there -- uh, nope. 

Why are they saying Josh is especially disadvantaged?

[Tdoc72]

19 hours ago, Albanyguy said:

"But...but...but...I'm Jim Bob Duggar! The Lord ain't supposed to TAKE AWAY!"

“I gave you 19 arrows!”

[GeeGolly]

I would like Josh to take a plea deal, as long as its not an Alford plea. I have no desire to know any more details than have already been released. Like many of you already mentioned, Josh now has to follow the rules of his house arrest until October, which he'll likely violate. Lets just get him in jail for the next decade or so and forget he exists.

Edited June 22, 2021 by GeeGolly

[Churchhoney]

12 hours ago, Cinnabon said:

Why are they saying Josh is especially disadvantaged?

I could easily be wrong about this, but I get the impression that they'd like people to think that his fame may have led to him getting railroaded. 

EMLTA: ...my annoyance about the amount of time they tried to demand is just based on how many virtually identical cases to Josh's have been brought and ended with convictions or -- mostly, looks like -- pleas in this same district over the past few years......But, oh, no, they think they should be able to hold things up for the better part of a year because in his case it's likely that all the evidence has been so botched...So to me, because of all the other cases, that suggests that they're arguing that his is different. And their constant claims to be different and better piss me off.....especially here. So -- blame my paranoid suspicions about what they're claiming on my having read through the press releases in their district about the outcomes of other local cases just like this over the past few years!

 

Edited June 22, 2021 by Churchhoney

[floridamom]

Has anyone figured out how much money JB & Michelle will be collecting from the child-stimulus payments every month for each child under 18 they have at home? Anna will get money for her 7 soon. Perhaps that will be Josh's defense fund. Under normal circumstances, Jim Bob does not need that check from the government but he will get it any way.

[lascuba]

53 minutes ago, floridamom said:

Has anyone figured out how much money JB & Michelle will be collecting from the child-stimulus payments every month for each child under 18 they have at home? Anna will get money for her 7 soon. Perhaps that will be Josh's defense fund. Under normal circumstances, Jim Bob does not need that check from the government but he will get it any way.

And he will publicly rail against the government giving out the money while happily cashing the check.

Even with all the minor children, I wouldn't think it would be enough to cover his defense. Though I'd bet JB will demand Anna hand over that money.

Edited June 22, 2021 by lascuba

[Rootbeer]

13 minutes ago, lascuba said:

And he will publicly rail against the government giving out the money while happily cashing the check.

Even with all the minor children, I wouldn't think it would be enough to cover his defense. Though I'd bet JB will demand Anna hand over that money.

The child tax credit is $250-300 per kid and will be going out mid July.  Counting Tyler, JB has 6 minor kids still at home, same as Anna.  So, at most, they will get a combined $3600 in tax credits.

Josh' big time lawyer wouldn't get out of bed for less than $10 grand.  His retainer is probably more than $3600 and JB would be expected to keep replenishing it as they go and/or pay all costs as they are incurred.  The tax credit money is a drop in the bucket.  The lawyer has probably already billed well into 5 figures so far and there is nowhere to go but up.

[peppergal]

18 hours ago, Cinnabon said:

Can you imagine being the “expert” who is paid to watch hours of violent child porn (including an infant in this case 🥲) to try and assist Josh in getting away with it? Selling their soul.

I agree with the selling their soul part.  But I get the feeling that the defense angle here is not to dispute the content of the downloads, but to dispute the details that can more easily confuse a jury by burying them in tech speak:  when it was downloaded, by whom it was downloaded, was it ever watched/accessed and if so when, what other electronic devices were in the area, that kind of thing.  So the expert likely isn't needing to watch the actual video, other than a few seconds to verify it is the right file.  Instead they will be looking for details on the file system itself to try to disprove the government's claims that Josh was the one who downloaded and/or watched the filth on a specific date.  I still couldn't do it though.

 

 

[hathorlive]

8 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

I would like Josh to take a plea deal, as long as its not an Alford plea. I have no desire to know any more details than have already been released. Like many of you already mentioned, Josh now has to follow the rules of his house arrest until October, which he'll likely violate. Lets just get him in jail for the next decade or so and forget he exists.

The government will not even entertain an Alford plea.  I can't imagine them offering much of a plea deal, regarding less time.  They have him nailed to the wall and there's no reason to not go to court.

[GeeGolly]

6 minutes ago, hathorlive said:

The government will not even entertain an Alford plea.  I can't imagine them offering much of a plea deal, regarding less time.  They have him nailed to the wall and there's no reason to not go to court.

To quote Jill, YAY!!

[hathorlive]

Just now, GeeGolly said:

To quote Jill, YAY!!

I also really want a trial.  I know from first hand experience that once those videos are discussed/viewed, people will never look at Josh the same way.  Including, I hope his family. I'm sure the defense will do their best to say someone else did it, the wireless connection was open with no security (we always check this when we first get on site).  But most of that stuff is empty gestures.  The iPhone geo location is going to bury him.

The lawyer is bleeding and pleading as we speak.  

[MargeGunderson]

3 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

To quote Jill, YAY!!

Yay indeed. I want to see if the defense tries to blame it on someone else, specifically another Duggar male who had access to the car lot. The defense wouldn’t have to prove definitively that someone else had done it, just that Josh wasn’t the only one who could have done it; in other words convince the jury that there was reasonable doubt that it was Josh. Would JB and Josh drag another Duggar into this mess to save Josh? My money is on yes. Better to taint another Duggar with the possibility than make Josh take responsibility for his actions. 

[FizzyPuff]

27 minutes ago, MargeGunderson said:

Yay indeed. I want to see if the defense tries to blame it on someone else, specifically another Duggar male who had access to the car lot. The defense wouldn’t have to prove definitively that someone else had done it, just that Josh wasn’t the only one who could have done it; in other words convince the jury that there was reasonable doubt that it was Josh. Would JB and Josh drag another Duggar into this mess to save Josh? My money is on yes. Better to taint another Duggar with the possibility than make Josh take responsibility for his actions. 

I would really hope that somewhere inside JB would be really disgusted at Josh trying to bring down another family member. 

[hathorlive]

1 minute ago, FizzyPuff said:

I would really hope that somewhere inside JB would be really disgusted at Josh trying to bring down another family member. 

I've seen suspects blame their minor children for the CP on their computers.  For an affirmative defense, you usually have to try to provide facts for it.  But the defense lawyers entire goal is to get "it was his brother" into the jury member's minds.  Even if the prosecutor objects, it's still out there.  And even if they blame J boy X, its not like they go and arrest that boy.  

 

JB is in a lose lose situation.  If Josh pleads, then he is admitting guilt and JB looks like a bad Christian and parent.  If they go to trial, everyone will know what Josh was looking at and they look like a bad family.  It's fascinating to see how this plays out.  

[Mojitogirl]

Interesting blind item  Here. That site isn’t what it used to be but they’ve had a few decent blinds lately. Would the feds view stolen car parts traffickers as a better win than sending a pervert like him to jail?

this is the blind:

This former reality star who has a habit of molesting children and watching them being molested is arguing for a no jail time deal. The only way he is getting a no jail time deal is if he rolls over all the car dealers in his area using stolen parts which would also mean throwing a bus over dad who is paying for everything.

 

[hathorlive]

7 minutes ago, Mojitogirl said:

Interesting blind item  Here. That site isn’t what it used to be but they’ve had a few decent blinds lately. Would the feds view stolen car parts traffickers as a better win than sending a pervert like him to jail?

this is the blind:

This former reality star who has a habit of molesting children and watching them being molested is arguing for a no jail time deal. The only way he is getting a no jail time deal is if he rolls over all the car dealers in his area using stolen parts which would also mean throwing a bus over dad who is paying for everything.

 

Nope.  Not going to happen.  Imagine being the AUSA in Western Arkansas, explaining to the people why stolen car parts negate child pornography.  There will be NO deal for Josh Duggar, unless it includes 10 years (or more) in prison.  I've never seen any case where CP charges were dropped for information in another case.  

 

[Albanyguy]

1 hour ago, MargeGunderson said:

I want to see if the defense tries to blame it on someone else, specifically another Duggar male who had access to the car lot. The defense wouldn’t have to prove definitively that someone else had done it, just that Josh wasn’t the only one who could have done it; in other words convince the jury that there was reasonable doubt that it was Josh. Would JB and Josh drag another Duggar into this mess to save Josh? My money is on yes. Better to taint another Duggar with the possibility than make Josh take responsibility for his actions. 

I can easily see Jim Bob and, especially, Michelle being willing to throw one of the less favored "expendable" brothers under the bus. Probably not JD (the family pilot) or Jed! (who Jim Bob may try to run again for public office), but one of the other Howlers. Of course, the ideal solution would be to cast the blame on a non-family member,  but that may not be feasible.

[3 is enough]

I bet Mrs Reber is thrilled.  Three more months of the houseguest she really did not want in the first place.

 

[Cinnabon]

5 hours ago, Rootbeer said:

The child tax credit is $250-300 per kid and will be going out mid July.  Counting Tyler, JB has 6 minor kids still at home, same as Anna.  So, at most, they will get a combined $3600 in tax credits.

Josh' big time lawyer wouldn't get out of bed for less than $10 grand.  His retainer is probably more than $3600 and JB would be expected to keep replenishing it as they go and/or pay all costs as they are incurred.  The tax credit money is a drop in the bucket.  The lawyer has probably already billed well into 5 figures so far and there is nowhere to go but up.

Aren’t those child tax credits only for low income families?

[Nysha]

27 minutes ago, 3 is enough said:

I bet Mrs Reber is thrilled.  Three more months of the houseguest she really did not want in the first place.

The only people supporting Josh that I feel sorry for is Mrs. Reber and the M&Ms.

[ginger90]

2 minutes ago, Cinnabon said:

Aren’t those child tax credits only for low income families?

I believe these are the tax credits from next year’s deductions? So, get half now, claim half next year. 

[Rootbeer]

4 minutes ago, Cinnabon said:

Aren’t those child tax credits only for low income families?

For a married couple to get the full amount for their kids, they need to make under $150,000 a year.  Anna and Josh probably qualify.

However, all married couples with an income under $400,000 will qualify for at least $2000 per child.

Remember, this is taxable income claimed on their returns. I'd be willing to bet JB has found a way.

[JoanArc]

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Nope.  Not going to happen.  Imagine being the AUSA in Western Arkansas, explaining to the people why stolen car parts negate child pornography. 

Yeah. No way. The feds are smart enough too bust a Boob-run car parts ring without Josh's help.

I hope the raid Boob the day Josh is sentenced!

[hathorlive]

2 hours ago, Nysha said:

The only people supporting Josh that I feel sorry for is Mrs. Reber and the M&Ms.

I don't feel the least bit sorry for Mrs. Reber.  She could have told the judge she didn't want him in her home, and yet she played submissive wife.  She's made her bed, now Josh gets to lie in it.

[floridamom]

What is this about stolen car parts and Boob? Is there something to this?

[ginger90]

1 hour ago, floridamom said:

What is this about stolen car parts and Boob? Is there something to this?

I believe as of now, it has just been stated in a blind item.

[libgirl2]

14 hours ago, hathorlive said:

I don't feel the least bit sorry for Mrs. Reber.  She could have told the judge she didn't want him in her home, and yet she played submissive wife.  She's made her bed, now Josh gets to lie in it.

This would never have gone down in my house. I would have told my husband, you want this, I'm staying with someone. Let him take care of the perv. While I don't feel sorry because she could have done something, I guess I feel sorry that this is the way women are treated and behave in this cult. No say in anything. 

[GeeGolly]

7 minutes ago, libgirl2 said:

This would never have gone down in my house. I would have told my husband, you want this, I'm staying with someone. Let him take care of the perv. While I don't feel sorry because she could have done something, I guess I feel sorry that this is the way women are treated and behave in this cult. No say in anything. 

Yep. I'm unsure how long Mrs Reber has been cultified, but she didn't think she had a choice. She has a major asshole for a husband.

[rue721]

16 hours ago, hathorlive said:

I don't feel the least bit sorry for Mrs. Reber.  She could have told the judge she didn't want him in her home, and yet she played submissive wife.  She's made her bed, now Josh gets to lie in it.

She did tell him that she wasn't comfortable, her daughter wasn't comfortable... And that's what she told the judge in open court, in private she probably went even further begging her husband not to do this.

I really lay it at her husband's feet. He wants to get in good with Boob or the Lort or whatever and his wife and daughter are the ones paying for it.

If I were Mrs. Reber, my marriage probably wouldn't survive this bullshit. But she can't really move out at a moment's notice, she's a housewife and probably doesn't have access to sufficient money. So she's probably trying to make the best of it. And who knows if her marriage will ultimately survive this, either.

[GeeGolly]

I'm guessing if Josh is obeying the court rules, Mrs Reber might feel less uncomfortable by now. Josh is probably respectful enough that Mrs R doesn't feel threatened by him either.

Personally, I wouldn't want a houseguest I liked to stay with me that long, so there's that part of it too.

[3 is enough]

I have to wonder that if Mrs Reber had flat out said she did not want Josh in her home, and by doing so did not defer to her husband, that she would have faced some dire consequences when she got home.  From what I have read she was pretty much pleading in with the judge not to send Josh to their house but it seems the judge did not get it.  

Isn't there a verse in the Bible about beating your wife?  I know the one about sparing the rod and spoiling the child, but since these folks seem to delight in twisting interpretations to suit their needs, I can see them justifying "punishing" a disobedient wife.

[Rootbeer]

1 minute ago, 3 is enough said:

I have to wonder that if Mrs Reber had flat out said she did not want Josh in her home, and by doing so did not defer to her husband, that she would have faced some dire consequences when she got home.  From what I have read she was pretty much pleading in with the judge not to send Josh to their house but it seems the judge did not get it.  

Isn't there a verse in the Bible about beating your wife?  I know the one about sparing the rod and spoiling the child, but since these folks seem to delight in twisting interpretations to suit their needs, I can see them justifying "punishing" a disobedient wife.

She probably would've been forced to stand up in front of the members of their church and beg forgiveness and promise never to contradict her husband again.

[rue721]

1 hour ago, GeeGolly said:

I'm guessing if Josh is obeying the court rules, Mrs Reber might feel less uncomfortable by now. Josh is probably respectful enough that Mrs R doesn't feel threatened by him either.

Really? I would feel threatened as fuck. This is an adult male stranger under house arrest, sitting there with nothing to do and no place to go while every day draws him closer to being hauled into court on an airtight case that will get him a very long prison sentence. He has nothing to lose and is in a desperate situation -- and desperate people do desperate things. On top of that, the dude is an incorrigible sex offender and all-around-predator. And when Mrs. Reber asked for help before and said she was anxious about having him in her home, nobody listened -- so there's nobody who's going to help her if things turn bad. She is at his mercy.

Personally, I would move the fuck out. But she can't, because she has no outside source of income and it would probably destroy her marriage and financial security (or worse).

I feel bad for her.

Edited June 23, 2021 by rue721

[GeeGolly]

5 minutes ago, rue721 said:

Really? I would feel threatened as fuck. This is an adult male stranger under house arrest, sitting there with nothing to do and no place to go while every day draws him closer to being hauled into court on an airtight case that will get him a very long prison sentence. He has nothing to lose and is in a desperate situation -- and desperate people do desperate things. On top of that, the dude is an incorrigible sex offender and all-around-predator. And when Mrs. Reber asked for help before and said she was anxious about having him in her home, nobody listened -- so there's nobody who's going to help her if things turn bad. She is at his mercy.

Personally, I would move the fuck out. But she can't, because she has no outside source of income and it would probably destroy her marriage and financial security (or worse).

I feel bad for her.

Yes, really. I really don't think Mrs Reber is at risk to be raped or murdered by Josh. 

[Cinnabon]

1 hour ago, GeeGolly said:

I'm guessing if Josh is obeying the court rules, Mrs Reber might feel less uncomfortable by now. Josh is probably respectful enough that Mrs R doesn't feel threatened by him either.

Personally, I wouldn't want a houseguest I liked to stay with me that long, so there's that part of it too.

Hopefully she doesn’t have to cook for him, etc. If he stayed in his room, it wouldn’t be that bad. But who knows how often Anna drags the kids over?

[emmawoodhouse]

Redditors have uncovered another layer to this. Anna's brother David is apparently courting Hannah Reber. It's on his Instagram. 

Thoughts?

[Zella]

2 minutes ago, emmawoodhouse said:

Redditors have uncovered another layer to this. Anna's brother David is apparently courting Hannah Reber. It's on his Instagram. 

Thoughts?

WTF? That's like soap opera levels of crazy. 

[JoanArc]

3 minutes ago, emmawoodhouse said:

Redditors have uncovered another layer to this. Anna's brother David is apparently courting Hannah Reber. It's on his Instagram. 

Thoughts?

 Hannah, make a run for the border! Get the hell out of your own family as well as the Kellers.

Just when it gets crazy he finds a way to get crazier.  Soon will find out that Mr. Reber’s Car is made up entirely of stolen car parts!

[lascuba]

3 minutes ago, emmawoodhouse said:

Redditors have uncovered another layer to this. Anna's brother David is apparently courting Hannah Reber. It's on his Instagram. 

Thoughts?

My eyebrows went up when I saw that, but really, it shouldn't be surprising, fundie circles being what they are.

David's the one that had left fundamentalism and called out Josh after Ashley Madision, right? I know nothing about Hannah Reber and her religiosity, but it makes me sad that David might be taking such a huge step backwards in taking a fundie approved wife.

[Zella]

Just now, lascuba said:

My eyebrows went up when I saw that, but really, it shouldn't be surprising, fundie circles being what they are.

David's the one that had left fundamentalism and called out Josh after Ashley Madision, right? I know nothing about Hannah Reber and her religiosity, but it makes me sad that David might be taking such a huge step backwards in taking a fundie approved wife.

I think that's Daniel. I think David is the one who used to match with Nathan all the time before he got married. 

[emmawoodhouse]

21 minutes ago, Zella said:

I think that's Daniel. I think David is the one who used to match with Nathan all the time before he got married. 

Yeah, this is the right guy. David is the youngest of the Kellers. I think he's about 22, as is Hannah.

eta His IG is private, so we can't post the picture. She has a bouquet of flowers, and he's introducing her.

Edited June 23, 2021 by emmawoodhouse

[crazy8s]

today Jill rodrigues is crying because she could not snare another keller boy to court one of the not nuries

 

[JoanArc]

Oh, and of course it is Anna’s 33rd birthday. Quite a birthday surprise!

[Heathen]

23 hours ago, Mojitogirl said:

Interesting blind item  Here. That site isn’t what it used to be but they’ve had a few decent blinds lately. Would the feds view stolen car parts traffickers as a better win than sending a pervert like him to jail?

this is the blind:

This former reality star who has a habit of molesting children and watching them being molested is arguing for a no jail time deal. The only way he is getting a no jail time deal is if he rolls over all the car dealers in his area using stolen parts which would also mean throwing a bus over dad who is paying for everything.

 

Enty is so FOS, it's not even funny. He must have run out of Q-quality lies to post about Meghan Markle when he wrote that Smuggar blind. 

Topic: Wasn't Hannah W allegedly rumored to be in a possible courtship with Jeremiah Duggar? Or is that another W? 

[emmawoodhouse]

Yes, Hannah Wissmann is rumored to be with Jer. There have been "sightings," but nothing concrete.

[iwantcookies]

Jill Rod scared off David with her greediness. Yeah she is definitely pissed she could not pawn off another daughter. Less mouths to feed.

Happy birthday Anna! I wonder how much food and cake she brought over to JOSHUA. 33 years old 7 kids and husband who is a lazy perv. What a charmed life!!! Her parents failed Anna. 

[emmawoodhouse]

Hannah Reber has changed her IG picture to the one with the flowers. 

[Cinnabon]

54 minutes ago, emmawoodhouse said:

Yeah, this is the right guy. David is the youngest of the Kellers. I think he's about 22, as is Hannah.

eta His IG is private, so we can't post the picture. She has a bouquet of flowers, and he's introducing her.

I just found the picture on a public fb group.

9 minutes ago, emmawoodhouse said:

Hannah Reber has changed her IG picture to the one with the flowers. 

Then we should be able to post it? I have it all ready!

[BradandJanet]

The Kellers already have one Rodrigues married into the family. One is enough considering the crazy, grifting parents that come attached. The Reber daughter is probably a better prospect for a Keller son. 

Edited June 23, 2021 by BradandJanet

[BetyBee]

41 minutes ago, BradandJanet said:

The Kellers already have one Rodrigues married into the family. One is enough considering the crazy, grifting parents that come attached. The Reber daughter is probably a better prospect for a Keller son. 

Maybe the Keller boys will travel together & split the cost of feeding the grifting Rodriguii. Jill will be expecting double  the grift and will be sorely disappointed. I'm here for disappointed Jill! 😆