Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

[sandyskyblue]

Churchhoney - No one is perfect, everyone has faults - some bad some not so bad. The Duggars made everyone think they were these perfect people with perfect kids and perfect lives. Well, we all know that's not true. What we do know is JB, MeChelle and Josh are a bunch of lying hypocrites and most people are probably much better, kinder and more tolerant people than they are. So, don't be so hard on yourself.

 

I don't think Josh or any of the other 18 kids know how to makes choices because they were never given that opportunity like most people growing up. Josh could spent years in counseling to deal with the fucked way he was raised. That old saying  "You are what you are raised" certainly applies to Josh.

So agree with this last paragraph..the Duggar kids were raised to blindly follow and adhere to their parents and the cult teachings, they never had the chance to make up their own mind or make a decision of their own!!  That is one of the many things that is so f 'ed up with these cults, they turn kids/adults into robots (Jonestown, anyone??) who never get the chance to use their brain to learn how to make the best choices, never get to develop decision making abilities, their intuition, etc...IMO, God gave us brains to be used....

[Aja]

I know that Josh is smarter than most people but how was he planning to hook up with a fake FB picture and profile?  He gets to the secret love nest and surprise it's me - Josh Duggar!  Like what was that about?  OK the AM accounts well he wasn't using a fake photo right but still surprise again anyway right?  II mean he's been on TV.  The woman would have to be like where's Joe Smithson? What are you doing here Josh Duggar? 

You consistently crack me the hell up, Defrauder.

[JoanArc]

 

The woman would have to be like where's Joe Smithson? What are you doing here Josh Duggar?

"You're obligated to have sex with me."

[Churchhoney]

I know that Josh is smarter than most people but how was he planning to hook up with a fake FB picture and profile?  He gets to the secret love nest and surprise it's me - Josh Duggar!  Like what was that about?  OK the AM accounts well he wasn't using a fake photo right but still surprise again anyway right?  II mean he's been on TV.  The woman would have to be like where's Joe Smithson? What are you doing here Josh Duggar? 

 

You mean you don't think getting Josh Duggar instead of a male model would be a wonderful surprise? Whatever is wrong with you? Josh Duggar is a TEE VEE personality! And a political figure of some note, to boot! C'mon, now.

Edited August 23, 2015 by Churchhoney

[Aja]

"You're obligated to have sex with me."

*Danny Thomas spit take*

[MonicaM]

I know that Josh is smarter than most people but how was he planning to hook up with a fake FB picture and profile?  He gets to the secret love nest and surprise it's me - Josh Duggar!  Like what was that about?  OK the AM accounts well he wasn't using a fake photo right but still surprise again anyway right?  II mean he's been on TV.  The woman would have to be like where's Joe Smithson? What are you doing here Josh Duggar? 

 

I doubt most people would recognize Josh or most of the Duggars.  Their program didn't exactly target a mainstream audience.  As much as I've enjoyed reading these forums since the molestation came to light last spring, I had only watched the program once.  I doubt most people looking for casual sex hook ups were watching 19 Kids, or paying much attention to the Duggar's in the news.  Josh was pretty well assured that he wouldn't be recognized from television.  

 

However, he still had the problem of his appearance not even coming close to the picture he posted!!!  You can gain or lose weight to explain the body differences, but there's no cosmetic surgery in the world that would make that kind of difference in your face!

[Churchhoney]

 But he did have a choice on hitting that last 'submit' button when he was giving his credit card info to AM.  

 

IMO - the only thing that Josh is truly sorry about is that he got caught. 

 

Yeah, I agree.

[MamaMax]

http://fiddlrts.blogspot.com/2015/08/josh-duggar-ashley-madison-and-covenant.html#comment-form

 

I really enjoy this blog, and he has an interesting take on Josh.

[Tabbygirl521]

This is a real question from my religiously naive self. If one is forgiven for all sins as long as one is a believer, what, other than the morals which the average person has, is the motivation to not sin?

It appears to me that a less then moral person could use their belief as a Stay Out of Hell Free card.

Sadly, I think plenty of people do this. I have known, for example, a couple of Catholics who thought anything was A-OK as long as they regularly went to confession.

The way so many religions control through fear of hell, rather than true awareness of doing right so as to honor yourself and others, just won't always work. I think it nurtures potential sociopaths that happen to be among the congregation. It just makes you worry about YOU. And if you are willing to risk hell, and/or figure you are so special via forgiveness that God always has your back - well, just do whatever you want. You can always make a fake apology once you get caught.

Sorry, I am ranting again.

Edited August 23, 2015 by Tabbygirl521

[IndianPaintbrush]

http://fiddlrts.blogspot.com/2015/08/josh-duggar-ashley-madison-and-covenant.html#comment-form

 

I really enjoy this blog, and he has an interesting take on Josh.

This guy is spot-on in his analysis of how Gothard's patriarchal and sexually repressive teachings led to this mess.  And he's right about Anna being completely trapped too.  I had no idea covenant marriages were still legal anywhere in the U.S..

[Albanyguy]

I doubt most people would recognize Josh or most of the Duggars.  Their program didn't exactly target a mainstream audience.  As much as I've enjoyed reading these forums since the molestation came to light last spring, I had only watched the program once.  I doubt most people looking for casual sex hook ups were watching 19 Kids, or paying much attention to the Duggar's in the news.  Josh was pretty well assured that he wouldn't be recognized from television.

 

 

Plus, he's a very ordinary-looking young man, neither handsome enough nor ugly enough to be memorable. Even those of us who've seen his face hundreds of times could walk right past him in a crowd and not recognize him (unless, of course, he was doing something Duggarish to attract our attention). If he introduced himself to a potential sex partner as "Joe" and resisted the temptation to brag about being famous, he could probably indulge himself safely.

 

However, he still had the problem of his appearance not even coming close to the picture he posted!!!  You can gain or lose weight to explain the body differences, but there's no cosmetic surgery in the world that would make that kind of difference in your face!

 

 

If you spend a lot of time answering ads on those sites, you quickly become accustomed to meeting people who look nothing like the photos in their ads. While most don't post photos of an entirely different person (although Josh wouldn't be the first), it's more common than not for someone to use a picture from when he was ten years younger or thirty pounds lighter, or a picture in which his face is hidden in shadows. Then they play the law of averages. Some people they rendezvous with will be disappointed and turn them down. Others will shrug and think "Well, nobody's perfect...my picture doesn't look much like me either...he seems nice enough...let's give it a whirl." Josh may have gotten lucky once or twice.  

[Ljohnson1987]

Hey, Anna. Wake up!  How is Smuggar’s cheating your fault? Did you know that he was doing it, and did nothing about it? I don’t think so.  Stop blaming yourself, for your husband’s actions. Smugs is his own person. It’s not your fault that he’s an idiot.  This is worse then when she blamed herself for Smugs’ weight gain. Were you shoving the food in his mouth? Don’t think so. Do yourself, and you children  a favor. Get out, and get some real help.  Stop taking responsibility for what your husband does. You have a choice.  You and your children can live a happy life by yourselves, or stand by a man who has admitted to be a porno addict, forcibly touching his siblings, and unfaithful to you. Your choice.

[Defrauder]

You consistently crack me the hell up, Defrauder.

Thanks AJA, you've given me the serious giggles more than a few times yourself.

"You're obligated to have sex with me."

LOL. 

You mean you don't think getting Josh Duggar instead of a male model would be a wonderful surprise? Whatever is wrong with you? Josh Duggar is a TEE VEE personality! And a political figure of some note, to boot! C'mon, now.

Oh it would be a surprise alright.  

[Fuzzysox]

http://fiddlrts.blogspot.com/2015/08/josh-duggar-ashley-madison-and-covenant.html#comment-form

 

I really enjoy this blog, and he has an interesting take on Josh.

Anna and Josh got married in Florida. This blogger should have dug a little deeper to have found that out.

 

Only three states have covenant marriage so Anna might be able to get a divorce if she wants without all the restrictions that the covenant marriages have right!?

 

Google:

Covenant marriage is a legally distinct kind of marriage in three states (Arizona, Arkansas, and Louisiana) of the United States, in which the marrying spouses agree to obtain pre-marital counseling and accept more limited grounds for later seeking divorce.

 

Paging any lawyers in the house....

Edited August 23, 2015 by Fuzzysox

[sandyskyblue]

http://fiddlrts.blogspot.com/2015/08/josh-duggar-ashley-madison-and-covenant.html#comment-form

 

I really enjoy this blog, and he has an interesting take on Josh.

Thanks so much for this link, MamaMax...very interesting and informative blog!

[Skittl1321]

Is breaking one of the 10 commandants (adultery) not a decent reason out of a covenant marriage?  Of course, they don't have one, so it is moot.

[LilyoftheValley]

Anna and Josh got married in Florida. This blogger should have dug a little deeper to have found that out.

 

Only three states have covenant marriage so Anna might be able to get a divorce if she wants without all the restrictions that the covenant marriages have right!?

 

Google:

Covenant marriage is a legally distinct kind of marriage in three states (Arizona, Arkansas, and Louisiana) of the United States, in which the marrying spouses agree to obtain pre-marital counseling and accept more limited grounds for later seeking divorce.

 

Paging any lawyers in the house....

If she married in Florida then she does not have a covenant marriage.  Her divorce would be subject to the laws of Arkansas, where she is currently domiciled, but the covenant marriage statute would not apply because there is no way that is the default.  

[GeeGolly]

If Anna wanted a divorce I'm sure there would be no shortage of lawyers willing to make it happen pro bono,

Edited August 23, 2015 by GeeGolly

[cmr2014]

I posted something earlier about Josh's response to the OKCupid question: Do you believe that anyone is ever obligated to have sex with you? Josh, of course, responsed: Yes.

 

I'm wondering if I read that response wrong, though. In his generally uninteresting list of things he's looking for, he mentioned a "take charge woman." I wonder if Josh simply wants the experience of having sex with someone who WANTS to have sex with him, rather than someone who is obligated to have sex with him because of her medeival religious upbringing.

[Defrauder]

Is Josh happier being Josh Duggar or Joe Smithson?  If Josh would rather be Joe than he's just going to repeat the behavior at some point.  I wonder if deep down Josh would rather be divorced but his life's brainwashing can't deal with that so his only alternative is 'a double life'.  He may try to pray 'Joe' away but 'Joe' may want out. Josh may also not know how to live a life outside of the cult and is entrenched in it too deeply to get  out.

[LilyoftheValley]

I posted something earlier about Josh's response to the OKCupid question: Do you believe that anyone is ever obligated to have sex with you? Josh, of course, responsed: Yes.

 

I'm wondering if I read that response wrong, though. In his generally uninteresting list of things he's looking for, he mentioned a "take charge woman." I wonder if Josh simply wants the experience of having sex with someone who WANTS to have sex with him, rather than someone who is obligated to have sex with him because of her medeival religious upbringing.

First off I should say that I do think that married people should have sex with their spouse on a regular basis.  I not saying it is an obligation or a duty, but rather that once you have married someone, you have in essence taken away their "right" to have sex with other people, so it is pretty shitty to then deny them sex.  Having said all that, maybe it is because I am not a man, but would having sex with a woman who is only doing it out of duty really going to be all that great?  It sounds sort of like having crap sex all the time to me.  This would not be Anna's fault, but rather just the nature of the arrangement.  You get an exhausted mother of four small children and tell her you want sex and she "complies" with the request.  I bet that was mind-blowing sex!  And really, say Anna submits to her husband whenever he wants sex, even if she really, really does not want to.  Eventually the bitterness will start to seep out of her.  It turns out that people don't very much like having sex they didn't want to have.  Once this goes on for too long, then that was going to be the only kind of sex Josh would be getting out of Anna, because she would reach a point where she would completely turn herself off wanting to have sex with him.  

[kellylovessnark]

It seems Josh is delet mode with Joe Smithson. Deleled the FB account. The email come back undeliverable. Why not before your name was putted?

[Sew Sumi]

Anna's older brother Daniel - who also left ATI many years ago - sticks up for Anna. Calls Smuggar a "prik" and a "pig."  Read what he says about Anna and their parents. Both responses are totally what we predicted here. Anna just does not have it in her to leave. :(

 

 

https://instagram.com/p/6vQllYg4iM/

 

https://instagram.com/p/6vXxafA4jh/

[randomania]

I hope this doesn't veer too much into "psychoanalyzing Josh" territory – mods, if it does, please delete and accept my apologies.

 

I have a friend who's a dominatrix. One of her steadiest streams of income is "financial domination" – receiving money or gifts from men who for whatever reason enjoy spending money because some woman tells them to, without getting anything in return. 

 

Josh reminds me of those men. I wouldn't be at all surprised if all he did was spend money on AM because he took pleasure in secretly spending money on something illicit. If he subscribes to a world-view in which thinking about cheating on his wife is just as bad as doing it, spending $20 a month (plus a one-time payment of $250) is a relatively affordable way to get a thrill.

[Fuzzysox]

Nice that the Keller's are more concerned with their status than what Anna has to suffer through. #parentsoftheyearwhere'stheplaque

[Julia]

It takes a fair amount of time to spend $1k at $20/month plus a one-time payment of $250.

[JoanArc]

I hope Daniel never stops trying. Imagine Prissy's response to this crisis:

[Granny58]

Exactly. I am one of those Christians who doesn't believe in all this ATI bullshit. They've totally redefined Christianity. But I still think that a non-ATI Christian counselor could be the key to get Anna to really evaluate her situation. I've seen the effect when these legalistic fundamentalists meet Christians who don't define their faith by their rules. The person is presented with a person who has a deep faith and passion for the Lord without making 'look what I did' checklists. It can really cause the legalistic to question the foundation of the faith. I absolutely  want Anna to dump Josh on his doughy butt. However, even more than that I want someone to help her understand that this isn't her fault. That she doesn't have to just accept his behavior. That she is allowed to step up and make demands of Josh if he hopes to salvage he marriage. And most of all that she is not required to stay with him as a function of her faith. I am hoping she will meet a Christian who can explain to her that Jesus isn't expecting her to suffer with Josh as a symbol of her faith to Him and the Christian marriage doesn't mean that the man does what he wants while the woman cleans his house and bears his children.

all this and more!   I want Anna to stay and work on their relationship IF she wants to, not because she must.  

[Oldernowiser]

Finally someone in that crowd I can get on board with.

Hopefully he can threaten the day lights out of Josh and/or talk some sense into Anna.

[JoanArc]

http://www.people.com/article/cross-church-pastor-josh-duggar-ashley-madison-sermon

Derick pimped this sermon.

 

 

One of the most notable was the fifth suggestion, which mentioned keeping both husband and wife happy through "sexual contact," which may only be put on hold for "focused prayer." However, Floyd warned, if a husband or wife fails to keep his or her partner happy sexually they are opening themselves "up to the attack of the enemy.

The sermon version of 'Anna didn't give non-stop BJ's, at Josh's command. If she did, Josh wound'nt have cheated.'

 

 

Floyd carefully stated that the service was not designed to make anyone "feel guilty,"

*snort*

[Granny58]

This is a real question from my religiously naive self. If one is forgiven for all sins as long as one is a believer, what, other than the morals which the average person has, is the motivation to not sin?

 

It appears to me that a less then moral person could use their belief as a Stay Out of Hell Free card.

Speaking from a Christian perspective, which I assume you mean, you ARE forgiven of your sins if you repent and accept Jesus as savior.  However, God being who He is, understands the motivations of the human heart.  If you think salvation is a get out of jail free card and can sin at will, then you don't understand redemption and you are not yet forgiven.  it is when you understand your sins and repent (and mean it) that you are forgiven and this change of heart also makes one not wish to sin further.  People will sin, still...because that's how we are...and the saved will repent.  

[Sew Sumi]

Nice that the Keller's are more concerned with their status than what Anna has to suffer through. #parentsoftheyearwhere'stheplaque

I'm still seething about that, and I saw these posts a couple of hours ago. What kind of parents DO that to a daughter who is being made a complete fool by her cuckolding husband? Fuck you, Ma and Pa Keller. I have seen it with their two youngest boys being sent to the Wallers on many occasions; they are DESPERATE to have no more of their kids leave Gothardism. 

 

And Pa Keller is NOT a high-ranking person in ATI. I don't know how that rumor started, but it's just not true. They are just suck-up true believers.  The prison ministry has only gained some esteem in the past few years because of David Waller. It wasn't because of his FIL, other than that he facilitates the Journey to the Heart for the kids to come down to preach to the inmates. Waller facilitated all of that from his position at Gothard HQ. 

 

But back on topic, with parents like these, who needs enemies? Poor, poor Anna. Not only does she not have the courage to leave, she has almost no support to do so. I hope she really understands what Daniel is willing to do for her here and maybe take him up on this in the next few weeks once things die down a bit.

Edited August 23, 2015 by Sew Sumi

[truthtalk2014]

I hope this doesn't veer too much into "psychoanalyzing Josh" territory – mods, if it does, please delete and accept my apologies.

 

I have a friend who's a dominatrix. One of her steadiest streams of income is "financial domination" – receiving money or gifts from men who for whatever reason enjoy spending money because some woman tells them to, without getting anything in return. 

 Wow!  Might have to delete this part of my post too - but many moons ago, I was a bartender and had a creepy guy that would come in and want me to tell him what to do.  Don't have that dominatrix gene so I would simply tell him to write me a check.  He did many times. I can say that I felt no guilt until the last visit.  His check bounced and my friend was the bank manager and told me that he and his wife had an account there for years.   I think he was one of those guys.  Josh may be as well- a compete opposite of Boob.  He might want to be told to hand over money to a woman- for sexual purposes or other.  I will go out on a limb, but I can see Josh as the type that really wants a woman to take control.

 

I was so excited to see the posts from Anna's brother!  I was shouting FINALLY at my computer.  Geez!  From the parents, the siblings, the in laws,etc - they seem to all defend the creep.  Major kudos to Daniel Keller!  And Anna's parents SUCK!  They probably did have a clue about Josh but wanted to get Anna out of the house quickly.  Zero respect for them at this point.  Oh, and nice post Lawson!  

Edited August 23, 2015 by truthtalk2014

[Granny58]

Parents are an influence, sure, but how long can you blame your behavior on them? No one had an idyllic childhood but most people choose ethical behaviors. He, among any of the children, had more freedom and forgiveness.

I think our parents are critically important in our personality development.  And who even knows if Josh is blaming them.   The thing is, he may not even understand those influences....yet.  When some more maturity sets in, and he sees his children's life develop, it may all hit him.  Personally, I didn't realize the impact my parents had on me until the last couple of years - and I'm almost retirement age!!!

[ThinkerBell]

Plus, he's a very ordinary-looking young man, neither handsome enough nor ugly enough to be memorable. Even those of us who've seen his face hundreds of times could walk right past him in a crowd and not recognize him (unless, of course, he was doing something Duggarish to attract our attention). If he introduced himself to a potential sex partner as "Joe" and resisted the temptation to brag about being famous, he could probably indulge himself safely.

If you spend a lot of time answering ads on those sites, you quickly become accustomed to meeting people who look nothing like the photos in their ads. While most don't post photos of an entirely different person (although Josh wouldn't be the first), it's more common than not for someone to use a picture from when he was ten years younger or thirty pounds lighter, or a picture in which his face is hidden in shadows. Then they play the law of averages. Some people they rendezvous with will be disappointed and turn them down. Others will shrug and think "Well, nobody's perfect...my picture doesn't look much like me either...he seems nice enough...let's give it a whirl." Josh may have gotten lucky once or twice.

.

I suspect Josh Duggar fancied himself as quite the political mover and shaker, although we all know how delusional that is. He likely told his prospective mistresses that he couldn't use a real photo of himself because of the 'highly sensitive' and 'important work' he did. When he showed up for the dirty little tryst, he probably announced to the poor unsuspecting woman, "Well, here I am . . . I'm Josh Duggar!", thinking she would be impressed. I wonder how many times he had to explain who Josh Duggar is.

Edited August 23, 2015 by ThinkerBell

[Oldernowiser]

So that sermon boils down to, "put out or put up."

If I were Jill, I might think back in a few years when she's dealing with five kids under six and Derrick is giving her that crap and wonder what the hell she was thinking.

And what an utterly shitty thing to do to Anna right now. Subtext, " it's all your fault."

I want Anna's brother to go have a little chat with that "minister."

[randomania]

It takes a fair amount of time to spend $1k at $20/month plus a one-time payment of $250.

If he were only paying for one account at a time, that would be... *scribble, scribble*... 36 months. The leak indicated that he was a member for a bit over two years, and that he was paying for two accounts much of that time. So if all he was looking and fantasizing, he got about two years of thrills in $20- and $40-dollar increments -  amounts small enough to not be missed in a household budget.

 

$250? "Business expenses, honey. I'll get reimbursed." Hey, he's already a terrible person in his mind for thinking about cheating - why not lie while he's on a roll with disappointing Jesus?

[Churchhoney]

So that sermon boils down to, "put out or put up."

If I were Jill, I might think back in a few years when she's dealing with five kids under six and Derrick is giving her that crap and wonder what the hell she was thinking.

And what an utterly shitty thing to do to Anna right now. Subtext, " it's all your fault."

I want Anna's brother to go have a little chat with that "minister."

 

Yeah. And that minister is the current President of the Southern Baptist Convention. Makes you wonder how far these ideas spread.

[Julia]

upon reflection, moved to the Derrick/Jill thread.

Edited August 23, 2015 by Julia

[Rhetorica]

I think our parents are critically important in our personality development. And who even knows if Josh is blaming them. The thing is, he may not even understand those influences....yet. When some more maturity sets in, and he sees his children's life develop, it may all hit him. Personally, I didn't realize the impact my parents had on me until the last couple of years - and I'm almost retirement age!!!

Even if we don't rationally admit parental influence, we can decide how to act. My mother was a monster. I chose not to be. Josh knew from biblical teachings, if nothing else, that adultery was wrong. Yet he pursued it and then blamed it in old Satan.

[Sew Sumi]

Speaking from a Christian perspective, which I assume you mean, you ARE forgiven of your sins if you repent and accept Jesus as savior.  However, God being who He is, understands the motivations of the human heart.  If you think salvation is a get out of jail free card and can sin at will, then you don't understand redemption and you are not yet forgiven.  it is when you understand your sins and repent (and mean it) that you are forgiven and this change of heart also makes one not wish to sin further.  People will sin, still...because that's how we are...and the saved will repent.  

To the bolded, this is what I mean when I say that Smuggar is not spiritually where he wants people to think he is. He has obviously been sinning has ass off for three years on AM as well as other pickup sites and Facebook. He may have sincerely sought repentance when he was 16, but he seems to have thought that he didn't have to do it again; that he was washed clean and that anything he did afterward, no matter how heinous and hurtful, was okay with the big guy upstairs. 

 

That's why I don't think he is really all that religious (and why Jessa's post today highlighting god's forgiveness was laughable). Smuggles spent 20 years at home learning the ins and outs of this cult. He knows how to say the right things. He's lied before, who's to say he isn't going through the motions to save his ass? From what we've seen of him, it wouldn't be the first time. 

[Fuzzysox]

I'm glad to see that Anna has a loving caring NORMAL brother who is willing to get her out of a bad situation. How awesome is he that he recognized that Josh needs some real help not just a pat on the back (as to say boys will be boys). IDK I know Anna is brainwashed but the women in the FDLS have escaped and have been de-programmed I have hopes for Anna.

Edited August 23, 2015 by Fuzzysox

[Churchhoney]

Even if we don't rationally admit parental influence, we can decide how to act. My mother was a monster. I chose not to be. Josh knew from biblical teachings, if nothing else, that adultery was wrong. Yet he pursued it and then blamed it in old Satan.

 

He knew from biblical teachings. And, although I don't think he's particularly smart, I'm sure he also could figure out that when you earn your living making high-profile political speeches in defense of "traditional marriage" you're both being a hypocrite ethically and courting a potential disaster for you and your employer if you spend your free time spitting on traditional marriage.

 

For whatever reason, he chose to ignore quite a few clear signs that doing what he did was a bad idea. Who can unravel all that's really wrong with him? But what's quite clear is that he's made numerous lousy decisions, for years and years, when he clearly had to know that he should choose other options, for numerous reasons.

 

I guess what bugs me the most about this that Anna, likely pushed and prodded by Josh's family and, we seem to learn from her brother, her own parents, will probably stay with him on the supposition that he can and is likely to change. But all we've got is a lot of evidence that, for whatever combination of reasons, he's such an inveterate maker of stupid and unethical choices that he's not going to.

 

I guess if Satan gets into you, then it's supposed to be relatively easy to throw Satan out. Or if you were pushed by porn's evil influence to do bad things, you can just get an "accountability partner" and close your electronic doors to porn.

 

Too bad that if you're doing things not because an external force possessed you but because of some complex tangle of your messed-up nature, your messed-up nurture, and your own free choices to do the fun and selfish thing rather than the responsible thing -- and this has been your habit for most of your life -- then changing is incredibly difficult. So difficult that only somebody brave, strong and desperate is likely to try and do it. And then can likely only succeed after years of struggle and with tons of competent outside help and a family-and-friends network truly committed to honesty and stalwart tough and loving support. I don't think Josh has any of that. I think his chances of truly changing are extremely slim. (and even slimmer as it seems the stupid Duggar clan are trying to push the damned forgiveness narrative again). Poor Anna. And, even more so, poor Smuggar children.

Edited August 23, 2015 by Churchhoney

[kathe5133]

Instagram is new to me, but I am mindful that everything you read on the Internet is true, and everyone is who they say they are. (snark) That being said, why is Anna's "brother" posting on "freejinger"? Do we know it is her brother? I know if my husband had just publicly humiliated me I would welcome my siblings to post how they and my parents felt about this, and how I was handling it on a public board. What a brother! (again with the snark.) Do we know if it is her real brother? If it is, he is almost as big a piece of shit as Josh. Of course I want the inside scoop, but I know it will be a while before I get it.

[Marigold]

I t6hink Josh went on AM site hoping for some action. He didn't get much and had to pay for a pro. 

I think he would mount anyone and pay for it.

 

I hope he didn't give Anna a disease. 

[Sew Sumi]

It's her brother. He goes on to tell someone that the parents' motivation is NOT to save Anna's marriage, but is all about saving face. He says he knows this because he was was raised by them. eta: Remember, he left ATI/Gothard because he refused to go into the prison ministry with Pa Keller, so there was a falling out. He drinks beer and his wife has body piercings and wears real swimsuits. So, not even "conservative" Christians, but more mainstream. 

 

These were also screenshots from FB, not twitter. There are STILL people out there defending Smuggar, even to Anna's brother who flat out called him a prick and a pig! I wish I could post more screenshots of the conversation (he has a closed account, so all of this is going on in relative privacy), but trust me, this is Anna's brother, and he has her back, going as far as to offer her plane fare and a place for her and the kids to stay. He says that her leaving might actually "break" Josh, whom he does not believe is truly at rock bottom yet. 

Edited August 24, 2015 by Sew Sumi

[LilyoftheValley]

I'm glad to see that Anna has a loving caring NORMAL brother who is willing to get her out of a bad situation. How awesome is he that he recognized that Josh needs some real help not just a pat on the back (as to say boys will be boys). IDK I know Anna is brainwashed but the women in the FDLS have escaped and have been de-programmed I have hopes for Anna.

Yeah except he is no longer a member of Rape Cult, so she is not supposed to turn to him for help.  

[Fuzzysox]

Yeah except he is no longer a member of Rape Cult, so she is not supposed to turn to him for help.

True but once Anna wakes from the fog she will know that there is someone watching out for HER. Edited August 24, 2015 by Fuzzysox

[graefin]

Those comments from Daniel are all posted on Jessa's latest FB post for anyone to see. He is definitely more, eh, mainstream than the others in the family.

[kathe5133]

 

These were also screenshots from FB, not twitter. There are STILL people out there defending Smuggar, even to Anna's brother who flat out called him a prick and a pig! I wish I could post more screenshots of the conversation (he has a closed account, so all of this is going on in relative privacy), but trust me, this is Anna's brother, and he has her back, going as far as to offer her plane fare and a place for her and the kids to stay. He says that her leaving might actually "break" Josh, whom he does not believe is truly at rock bottom yet.

I think he is a crappy brother. I know that Anna signed on to put her life on television, but she did not sign on for this. Why would he post publicly? Can he not support her in private? It just smacks of a brother with an axe to grind trying to publicly embarrass his parents and Anna is just the collateral damage. If he is truly estranged from his parents how does he know what they think and feel? I don't know why I am surprised. These people take the term "trash" to a whole new level.