Survivor In The Media

[ProfCrash]

Tiffany's post game interview is hilarious. There is a lot of pregame stuff. She was on the cast, then bumped from the cast, and then added back on when someone on the cast tested positive for COVID. She quit her job to play and her quarantine stories and pre-game training stories are hilarious. They had 20 of pregame stuff were they couldn't talk to anyone while in quarantine and the training period. 

Her energy is insane and she has a very limited filter. She is great. 

[Melina22]

30 minutes ago, ProfCrash said:

Her energy is insane and she has a very limited filter. She is great. 

Wow, I'll definitely watch it now! Sounds good. 

[LadyChatts]

On 1/18/2022 at 2:39 PM, ProfCrash said:

That said, Ricard is also clear that Shan is fragile, my word not his. It sounds like she is not talking to Ricard right now for reasons that he doesn't know. He assumes that she is upset with her edit on the show and that the viewing of the series reopened wounds from the taping. 

During the season I took a peek at Shan’s Twitter and IG accounts because I’m always curious how contestants take it when they are not being perceived well by the audience and/or getting a bad edit (or even a purple edit).  Judging by Shan’s accounts I think she was trying to have a sense of humor about everything but it seemed like it did bother her.  And this was before she got voted out.  So you could be right about the open-wounds thing, too.  Plus, Shan did take heat for getting J.D. to give her his advantage and for taking the idol out from under Genie’s nose (although I feel like in those cases she really didn’t do anything wrong and they were the stupid ones).

I started listening to Ricard’s interview and I’m liking it so far.  He seems like a pretty level headed guy who can separate the game from everything else.  

[ProfCrash]

The Tiffany interview is my favorite. Far more humorous then the others and less walk through the Ricard and Evvie ones. Lots of fun

[Nashville]

On 1/19/2022 at 6:45 AM, ProfCrash said:

Ricard's discussion of why Xander got no votes was pretty interesting. And Evvie, I am half way through her talk, gets at the fact that Xander's sincerity was so sincere that people didn't trust him. And we did hear people say that during the game. Ricard and Evvie did both say that there were times that they know now that Xander was being sincere that they didn't trust in the game. 

So basically nobody gave Xander a vote because they all figured, “Nobody’s THAT nice without a reason, so the boy has to be working us”…?  😆

That’s both hilarious and sad at the same time.

[ProfCrash]

50 minutes ago, Nashville said:

So basically nobody gave Xander a vote because they all figured, “Nobody’s THAT nice without a reason, so the boy has to be working us”…?  😆

That’s both hilarious and sad at the same time.

That is what both Evvie and Ricard's interviews sounded like but it also lines up with a lot of what we saw.

The stepping out for rice for the tribe. Dude had individual immunity already, he didn't really put himself at risk. Evvie flat out said that no one gave credit to the first three who stepped out because they all had idols. 

The swapping places with Erika was seen as nice but a jury management move. 

Ricard was clear that he really had a great relationship with Xander but that Xander's mention of using the idol and then not doing so was a mark against Xander. Don't raise the possibility and not do it. He did think Xander was being authentic in the moment but that many of Xander's gestures were ill timed and seen as being attempts at jury management. 

Evvie seemed to think that Xander was too good to be true. I got the same feeling from Tiffany. She had a great opinion of Xander but his game just wasn't that strong and his gestures were seen as obvious so he got no credit for them. 

[Melina22]

2 hours ago, ProfCrash said:

Evvie seemed to think that Xander was too good to be true. I got the same feeling from Tiffany. She had a great opinion of Xander but his game just wasn't that strong and his gestures were seen as obvious so he got no credit for them. 

I've noticed over the past many seasons that being nice or self-sacrificing gets you exactly zero brownie points in Survivor. If anything it seems to put a target on your back. It's sad, but future players need to take note. 

[ProfCrash]

6 minutes ago, Melina22 said:

I've noticed over the past many seasons that being nice or self-sacrificing gets you exactly zero brownie points in Survivor. If anything it seems to put a target on your back. It's sad, but future players need to take note. 

I think people realized that many times those gestures are nice but also self serving. I think that you probably get more out of doing something like giving up your spot for someone then giving up a chance of immunity when you have an immunity idol. 

And then suggesting that you would use the idol to help someone when they know you are not going to is not going to help you. 

I think there is a balance between being nice and obvious jury management. 

I am listening to Xander's 90 minute interview with The Specialists. He has such a different take on how things played out then what we saw. 

He doesn't get why people didn't like all the advantages at the beginning because it made it harder for people to hide and float. He doesn't seem to understand that he was seen as a floater. I am only 10 minutes into the interview so it should be an interesting listen. I am surprised he has not done a RHAP interview.

[jsm1125]

46 minutes ago, ProfCrash said:

I think people realized that many times those gestures are nice but also self serving. I think that you probably get more out of doing something like giving up your spot for someone then giving up a chance of immunity when you have an immunity idol. 

And then suggesting that you would use the idol to help someone when they know you are not going to is not going to help you. 

I think there is a balance between being nice and obvious jury management. 

I am listening to Xander's 90 minute interview with The Specialists. He has such a different take on how things played out then what we saw. 

He doesn't get why people didn't like all the advantages at the beginning because it made it harder for people to hide and float. He doesn't seem to understand that he was seen as a floater. I am only 10 minutes into the interview so it should be an interesting listen. I am surprised he has not done a RHAP interview.

He has done one with The Purple Pants podcast, an offshoot of subset of RHAP. Brice from Cagayan hosts that one. Haven’t yet listened though.

[Ms Blue Jay]

 

[himela]

I'm sorry to post here but I don't remember the thread about Australian Survivor. Anyway it's starting on the 31st of January. Sandra and her daughter are participating! ;)

[peachmangosteen]

And it will be on Paramount+! Paramount+ also now has all the past seasons of Australian Survivor.

[himela]

Finally we will get Survivor where you actually get to know the players even if they are voted out in the first episodes. And Gosh we will surely see the winner in the first six episodes, unlike Probst and Co's ridiculousness.

[jsm1125]

4 hours ago, himela said:

Finally we will get Survivor where you actually get to know the players even if they are voted out in the first episodes. And Gosh we will surely see the winner in the first six episodes, unlike Probst and Co's ridiculousness.

Ehh, Australian Survivor isn’t great at letting us know all of the players either.

I can think of at least 4 that were pretty purple last season, all of whom made it to at least the swap, if not further.

[LadyChatts]

Shan has an interview on RHAP.  It’s over two hours long but I think I’m actually gonna sacrifice that time and listen.  It’s gotta be a good train wreck, right?  

[ProfCrash]

1 hour ago, LadyChatts said:

Shan has an interview on RHAP.  It’s over two hours long but I think I’m actually gonna sacrifice that time and listen.  It’s gotta be a good train wreck, right?  

I'll have to listen tomorrow

[Melina22]

3 hours ago, LadyChatts said:

Shan has an interview on RHAP.  

I saw that. (Didn't watch yet.) I'd like to watch at least some of it after I watch Tiffany's which sounds like a lot of fun. I'm a little hesitant to dive into Shan's because she's so intense. I'm not sure if I'm up to it right now, so if anyone sees any of it, please let us know how trainwrecky it actually is. 

[Vikitty]

1 hour ago, Melina22 said:

I saw that. (Didn't watch yet.) I'd like to watch at least some of it after I watch Tiffany's which sounds like a lot of fun. I'm a little hesitant to dive into Shan's because she's so intense. I'm not sure if I'm up to it right now, so if anyone sees any of it, please let us know how trainwrecky it actually is. 

Lots of recaps/summaries/tidbits in this Reddit thread.

 

[LadyChatts]

So Shan's RHAP:

The interview started off as a combination of boring and upbeat. 

On her evil little hum: long story short, she was asked in a pre-game interview if she had any weird quirks, she said no, and when she talked to a friend of hers back home they reminded her of the humming thing she does, so she went back and did it for the interview, and BOOM something annoying and not cute was born.  Apparently everyone was allowed to talk to someone back home due to having to quarantine I guess.  She brought up J.D.'s lack of athletic ability and his failure to own his mistakes, like how they'd have to drag him through water challenges despite him claiming he was a good swimmer, and then he'd stereotype himself by saying "water is the black man's kryptonite" (her words, not mine).  She thought the show did a good job showcasing her relationship with Liana, and praised the diversity this season.  She would have liked to have worked with Evvie.  

Some of the more interesting highlights: Shan hasn't talked to Brad yet, J.D. is still mad at her, but she's good with her other Ua members.  She disputes Ricard's version of events that it was his idea to get J.D. to give her his advantage before blindsiding him (Shan said it was 100% her idea). She gets kind of worked up over the notion that Ricard was trying to take credit for the strategy in the game and said 95% of what went down was all her.  She feels her downfall was giving up the 'knowledge is power' to Liana, but she wouldn't have told anyone she had it.  She said Heather just emerged out of nowhere and she couldn't figure her out, but it sounds like they didn't like each other much.  

Honestly, not a train wreck, but I feel Shan contradicts herself in some cases, tries to really portray herself as the mastermind this season, and does kind of seem bitter still.  She wishes Liana hadn't told her about the Ricard vote and she could have just been blindsided (she said blindsided by Ricard leaving, but he won immunity so he wasn't going anywhere that vote).  She said that Heather gets credit for the split vote between her and Liana but it was actually Erika.  She felt Ponderosa was toxic because she was getting bits and pieces of information as to what led to her ouster so it just made her unable to heal.  I feel like she doesn't really take blame for anything this season that led to her ouster or her allies feeling like they couldn't trust her.

 

  

[Melina22]

20 minutes ago, LadyChatts said:

So Shan's RHAP:

The interview started off as a combination of boring and upbeat. 

This is great, thanks. Shan gives off such mixed signals. In some way, I don't feel like I have any more of a handle on her personality than I did when the season started. Ricard's interview confused me even more. She's a very complex person but I sense that her friendships don't last long. Sooner or later, she'll cut people off, or they'll back off. 

[LadyChatts]

Yeah, my overall impression of Shan is that she’s never wrong, always in control, will say she doesn’t understand why someone’s holding a grudge for one thing when she’s doing the same thing, and really likes to hear/talk about how awesome she is.  

[MsTree]

1 hour ago, LadyChatts said:

Yeah, my overall impression of Shan is that she’s never wrong, always in control, will say she doesn’t understand why someone’s holding a grudge for one thing when she’s doing the same thing, and really likes to hear/talk about how awesome she is.  

100% true!  This girl is the most arrogant player ever. And the fact that she believes she's a legend in her own mind just proves how delusional she is too.

[ProfCrash]

Listening now. Only 20 minutes in, she is discussing JD. 

JD was a star athlete in his area, track and field. That doesn't translate to other areas. We could see in the game that he was over confident and presenting an image of himself that quite simply wasn't there. He wanted to try and be the great athlete but he just wasn't. 

Look, JD was a kid who struggled, found a niche area where he appears to have been legitimately good at, and then conflated that with being great with everything. But he wasn't. We saw that in every challenge. I am not certain that he is upset with Shan and how much he watched the season and saw that he sucked at the challenges. I mean, objectively, watching the show probably was an eye opener for JD. And I can see that it would hurt him to see what he saw. 

ETA: She is trying to make herself out to be the savior of all the people who were not liked. She cites JD and Brad. She wanted to bring them in because they were not liked by the others. 

So far, she sounds less reflective then Ricard, Tiffany, and Evvie were. The three of them owned different issues with their games and did not try and present themselves as perfect. I mean, Ricard less so then the others, but their interviews felt less like "I am amazing and you should all love me" while Shan is on the self promotion tour. 

I suspect that part of Shan's connection with JD is that they both have crap self confidence because of their childhoods. JD was bullied and struggled. Shan's time in foster care and the like had to leave her struggling to know who she is as a person and influence her desire to control everything in her life. She is using the interview to try and control her image but is unable to look at how she played and really understand why she is disliked. 

And here we are with the "Pastor card" which is the same as the "Mom card" and people trust her and were upset that she voted them out. No shit sherlock. Especially since she was gloating about doing just that. She was talking about manipulating people out there because people trusted her. Of course they are going to be pissed with you.

And she is talking about how she laid out all the ways that Brad had lied to Genie so that Genie knows that Brad wasn't her number one and had to be voted out to protect Genie. 

Shan is not helping herself here. I am not sure she gets why people don't like her game play. She is just reinforcing that she takes pride in manipulating people.

And now Ricard. 95% of Shan's idea who was riding her coattails. Look, I buy that they discussed things but there is no way that she is responsible for 95% of things. I am sure that it was closer to 50%, like it always is. There are very few pairs were one person dominates and the other is riding the coattails. She really has to control everything. And I don't buy that Ricard was responsible for the planning and Shan was the closer but Ricard gives Shan more credit then Shan gives Ricard. I doubt that Shan ever allows Ricard into her life. "He clamors for power. He really does." 

[himela]

My interview with Shan would end in 20 seconds after I would ask 'Why did you get the air time all the other players got combined"?

[LadyChatts]

10 hours ago, MsTree said:

100% true!  This girl is the most arrogant player ever. And the fact that she believes she's a legend in her own mind just proves how delusional she is too.

I don’t think Rob was helping matters by pumping her up as some mastermind.  When she said at the start of the interview that she wanted to play like Parvati, Tony, Kim, and Sandra, I thought at least three of that group would eat her alive if they ever played together.  Even Parvati, whose gotten mellow since becoming a mom.

I touched on this above, but she said if she had the knowledge of power advantage she wouldn’t have told anyone. Yet she told Tiffany that Liana had it, and that blew up in Liana’s face as a result.  I think her logic was that Liana said her, Tiffany, and Evvie were good, but then maybe let Liana tell them about her advantage?  Or ask her at least?  And like, she said Heather was mad and went off the rails because her name was being thrown out as a red herring and she didn’t like it or was asked if it was okay.  And somehow Shan thinks she needed to just sit back and play along and not worry.  Because of course everything always goes according to plan.  Yet Shan blew up her own game by finding out Ricard was being targeted and yet can’t seem to understand what went wrong there.  Judging from her interview she really took it personally being voted off.

Edited January 26, 2022 by LadyChatts

[fishcakes]

12 hours ago, LadyChatts said:

So Shan's RHAP:

...  She would have liked to have worked with Evvie.  

... She feels her downfall was giving up the 'knowledge is power' to Liana, but she wouldn't have told anyone she had it.

If she wanted to work with Evvie, then maybe she shouldn't have repeatedly targeted Evvie for the vote. Hard to work with someone who's at Ponderosa. And her claim that she wouldn't have told anyone about the knowledge is power advantage is ... I don't even know what to say about that after-the-fact nonsense. She was the one who told Tiffany that Liana had it.

I don't think Shan has the ability to tell the truth about anything. She'll say whatever she thinks will benefit her in the moment and maybe even believes it while she's saying it. That's sad for her, but worse for anyone who has to be around her.

[ProfCrash]

Work interrupted my listening. Shan called the AA Alliance the campout. (eye roll)

She did point out that Survivor shot before BB did and so that they did not copy the BB Cookout strategy.

I am really lost on how Shan gets the Knowledge is Power advantage that Liana had. Was Liana suppose to just give that to Shan? Seriously. I am not understanding that logic at all. 

And the big lesson from the season is not to give away your advantages. No, that is already known. The other one is don't tell people about your advantages, which should already being known. 

Just shaking my head at her idiocy. 

[LadyChatts]

On 1/23/2022 at 9:59 AM, himela said:

I'm sorry to post here but I don't remember the thread about Australian Survivor. Anyway it's starting on the 31st of January. Sandra and her daughter are participating! ;)

This got me thinking that it'd be kind of cool for our Survivor to recruit contestants that competed on international versions.  Australia has had Russell Hantz and now Sandra.  It'd be better than cross casting from Big Brother and The Amazing Race (which granted Survivor isn't as guilty of anyway).

[Lamb18]

7 hours ago, LadyChatts said:

This got me thinking that it'd be kind of cool for our Survivor to recruit contestants that competed on international versions.  Australia has had Russell Hantz and now Sandra.  It'd be better than cross casting from Big Brother and The Amazing Race (which granted Survivor isn't as guilty of anyway).

I don't know, I think it would be fun to see Raven on Survivor.

[Nashville]

16 hours ago, Lamb18 said:

I don't know, I think it would be fun to see Raven on Survivor.

What you got against the continent of Australia that you would inflict Living Dead Girl upon it???

[SVNBob]

On 1/26/2022 at 10:36 AM, fishcakes said:

I don't think Shan has the ability to tell the truth about anything.

She's a pastor.  It goes with the job.

[seacliffsal]

On 1/28/2022 at 2:35 PM, SVNBob said:

She's a pastor.  It goes with the job.

Maybe for her church, but not for others.

[MsTree]

On 1/28/2022 at 11:35 AM, SVNBob said:

She's a pastor.  It goes with the job.

Right...and she rec'd special dispensation to lie through her teeth on Survivor 🤥

[ProfCrash]

LOL the RHAP "Why Voce Lost" podcast with David Bloomberg and Jessica is hilarious. Tiffany was brought on half way into the podcast and the two of them going back and forth like there is no tomorrow, It is great. So fun. Voce called her "free willy" for the balance beam performance. 

[Nashville]

On 1/30/2022 at 2:56 AM, MsTree said:

Right...and [Shan] rec'd special dispensation to lie through her teeth on Survivor 🤥

But… but… but God WANTED Shan to get the money - so it’s gotta be all right, right?

Right?

🙄

[ProfCrash]

The Voce interview is long but has some interesting info about the Pre-Jury Ponderosa. It was all sorts of messed up. 

They had booked plane flights to get the pre jury out ASAP because of travel restrictions with COVID. They could not send them out on a trip and they did not want them staying on Fiji. Except that COVID led to flights being cancelled and other issues. The Pre Jury ended up at Ponderosa right until the day before Sydney's vote out. They couldn't go any where so they could hike on that island and kayak and use the resort area but that is all. Voce said that the amount of time together and being bored at the resort is why the pre jury is super close. 

He also said that the resort employees at Ponderosa had to stay there for 3 months. They locked down the island and they staff was not allowed to leave,

The pre jury ended up flying to the mainland on a Google plane that had space for people and back to the US on another Google plane that was flying almost empty back to the US. He said Google for both trips so I am guessing there was some event in Fiji for Google and that the Producers were able to buy seats on the Google plane for the trips. Sydney joined them on mainland Fiji right after she was voted out. 

Voce thinks that the limited Ponderosa environment was part of the reason the Jury was crabby. They didn't really have much that they could do because of the lockdown and so that led to more stewing by folks. There was no real release at Ponderosa because you could hike, kayak or watch TV.

The other tidibt was that they thought the game was going to be 30 days but there had been some issues with Jeff getting there. So Jeff had an extra day of quarantine and had a specific place at Ponderosa that he had to stay away from everyone else. The few times they saw Jeff there were Fijian military dudes with him and he was wearing a mask when everyone else was maskless. Voce thinks that the 29 days came from them needing to start an extra day late because of Jeff's extended quarantine. 

No one liked the pregame prep. It was very controlled and very strict and 5 days longer then normal because of quarantine crap. 

 

[fishcakes]

The new season promo is cute.

 

[LadyChatts]

5 hours ago, fishcakes said:

The new season promo is cute.

 

"Voted Rupert off the island 213 times"  Rupert looks like he could care less that it's now 214 times.

Also, I think another forum might have been created for Celebrity Survivor aka Beyond the Edge, but it premieres March 16th.  

 

Edited February 5, 2022 by LadyChatts

[peachmangosteen]

7 hours ago, LadyChatts said:

Also, I think another forum might have been created for Celebrity Survivor aka Beyond the Edge, but it premieres March 16th.  

https://forums.primetimer.com/forum/4911-beyond-the-edge/

[Maverick]

 Why are they running this the same time as Survivor?  Seems like it would be a fill in between Survivor seasons.  

[LadyChatts]

3 hours ago, peachmangosteen said:

https://forums.primetimer.com/forum/4911-beyond-the-edge/

Ok thanks!  I did see that but Beyond the Edge seems like such a generic title I wanted to make sure that was the right forum lol. I hope this is a fun s*it show.

1 hour ago, Maverick said:

 Why are they running this the same time as Survivor?  Seems like it would be a fill in between Survivor seasons.  

I was thinking the same thing.  I thought they might save it for the summer.

[Lady Calypso]

Here is the first full look of the cast for Survivor 42.

[LadyChatts]

Some S42 Press:

https://ew.com/tv/survivor-42-cast-on-why-they-will-win-video-interview/

I feel like whoever had answers that were short and to the point will the winner.  Except Zach.  Saying you know this game better than anyone and willing to work harder than anyone doesn't always equal success.  Omar says he's the biggest fan out there.  Chanelle says she's manifested this moment and done the leg work (which means studying and reading, like How to Win Friends and Influence People). 

https://ew.com/tv/survivor-42-cast-secrets-video-interview/

 

Edited February 15, 2022 by LadyChatts

[treeofdreams]

"The 'Survivor 42' Cast Makes Bold Prediction For This Season | Entertainment Weeklyy"

 

Edited February 25, 2022 by treeofdreams

[LadyChatts]

The more I see of this case the more people I find to dislike (or dislike even more).  Hopefully that changes when the season starts, otherwise it’s going to be a looooooong season.

Edited February 26, 2022 by LadyChatts

[Nashville]

I’m finding myself strangely disinclined to give a good country shit about this season.

[treeofdreams]

New Survivor type show in the offing:

NBC Announces Extreme ‘Survivor’ Rival ‘Million Dollar Island’

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/nbc-million-dollar-island-reality-show-1235104386/

[diana]

Well that should be interesting. But, 100 contestants? Not sure how that’s going to work. I wonder if this will be a summer show going opposite Big Brother. They don’t say yet when it might air.

[treeofdreams]

Can't find an air date, but one more bit of information - it will run 50 days instead of the usual (or usual pre-covid) 39.

[Vikitty]

On 3/5/2022 at 5:10 PM, diana said:

Well that should be interesting. But, 100 contestants? Not sure how that’s going to work. I wonder if this will be a summer show going opposite Big Brother. They don’t say yet when it might air.

I feel like it's going to be similar to Squid Game with big challenges that eliminate large chunks of the contestants.