NFL Thread

[Carey]

Had a feeling that Harbaugh would've found a way to survive.  Several teams playing against Burrow and company often crumble.  Cincinnati is one of the best teams that are great at midgame adjustments.  Shades of New England when they were very good.

Just was a bit surprised that Los Angeles would blow a big lead.  Not so much the Chargers, which they've done a ton, but that was before Jim got there.  Still they won.  Guess it helps when you have family that has tips to beating AFC North opponents

[mojoween]

Hope both teams make it out of Jerry’s World tonight before it collapses into the ground.

[merylinkid]

@mojoween Even the stadium is giving up on the season.

[twoods]

Wow I’ve never seen this many Texans fans at the Cowboys stadium. 

[Carey]

Makes sense.  The NFL has a lot of fans.  So it's fitting that the professional team from the Lone Star State makes the time to root on a real professional football team

[Bastet]

I'm laughing very, very hard that the Texans head slap penalty took the Cowboys' three points off the board, and they wound up getting zero on the drive. 

[Salacious Kitty]

That was Dallass' season in a nutshell. 😂

[Carey]

The thing is Houston is currently borderline.  If you're Detroit (Dallas totally isn't), then taking the penalty totally makes sense regardless of the outcome.  Same with Baltimore, Buffalo, Philadelphia, etc.  On the other hand, if you're a team (that includes the teams I just mentioned) facing a team like Kansas City, Minnesota, Pittsburgh, or any team with solid defense, you have to take the points.  Especially off of a great but no longer unprecedented 64-yard field goal. 

Of course, if you can score, then I'd do what Dallas did.  Unless you weren't having any success within that game.

The Cowboys are done.  Mike McCarthy is done.  Doesn't really matter thinking about that blunder.  Maybe he thinks it through any other time, but a lost season with nothing to lose makes it moot.  I do not think Jerry Jones is rewarding the guy with an extension had they converted there.  Or even if they win the game

[Magog]

Texans 34 - Them Boyz 10

Man, I've sure enjoyed that ass-whooping tonight!! 😊 😊

HA HA HA HA!!!! 😂 😂

I really hope that loser Jerry Jones & his loser son Stephen enjoyed it as much as me. 🤣 🤣 🤣

Edited Tuesday at 04:36 AM by Magog

[Salacious Kitty]

They showed Jerruh after the doinked FG attempt. He looked pained, eyes closed as if he couldn't stand it any longer 

I wonder how much rope McCarthy has left?

[Fukui San]

I mean, Jerry kept Jason Garrett as head coach for how long after his expiration date?

[merylinkid]

McCarthy is gone after the season.   The play calling was terrible.   I think he just gave up.   Taking 3 points off the board to accept a penalty when you have been having trouble in the red zone all evening was stupid.   3 points would have closed the gap.   But after not making it, its like the momentum went out of the team.  

The doink was Aubrey's fault, he slipped.   

 

[Carey]

For what it's worth, Dallas nearly turned the ball over before the drive ended.  Near fumble lost, and then a near pick six.  As mentioned, the Cowboy should have taken the points.  You're not a Detroit or Philadelphia where you can score at will, and Houston's defense isn't as horrible as Cincinnati's defense or the Jets & Panthers. 

If you were accept the penalty, maybe go for it over a 64 yard field goal.  Which you shouldn't do if it's 4th and a lot.  At which point, just punt there.  It's a moot point because Dallas is done anyway.

IMO, what's different between Jason & Mike is that the former was one of their own.  However, "batting" .500 each of your first 3 seasons losing out on a chance on not just a winning season but the division title is tough.  Especially when it benefited every other team in the division.

Since then 2 division titles & a playoff win.  However, running into prime A-Rod wasn't pleasant.  First loss was sort of questionable, the second one was just unlucky.  In between that was dealing with a banged up TR.  While his final three years concluded with another NFC East title & playoff win and not getting it done in 2019, the way things shaped up helped a guy who collected 3 rings with the same franchise.

The other guy is just another dude from Western Pennsylvania who has only one playoff win against a guy in his mid 40s before losing to Jimmy G and later on to 7th seeded Green Bay.

[Carey]

New York Fires General Joe Douglas

[Fukui San]

Jets fired someone. 
 

Must be Tuesday.  

[mojoween]

Eli made the most recent cut for the HOF, now we wait …

[Fukui San]

1 hour ago, mojoween said:

Eli made the most recent cut for the HOF, now we wait …

In related news, Hall of Fame to be rebranded as Hall of Popularity.  

[mojoween]

Ha!  Everyone hated Eli, including me, if my Facebook memories are any indication.

But as long as the jacket is gold and the bust is poorly designed, I’ll take it.

[Carey]

I'd put him in.  Like this year.  Otherwise that might be a problem with all the other QB's that are due before the decade ends.

On an unrelated note (for the most part) I think I've definitely changed my tune on Edelman's 2026 eligibility (well, starting in 2026).  Screw the stats on the lack of First Team All Pros.  Screw the stats on the lack of Pro Bowls.  When you ball out in the biggest games, in January, and can play the game in multiple ways, I'd put him in ASAP.

[baldryanr]

10 hours ago, Carey said:

I'd put him in.  Like this year.  Otherwise that might be a problem with all the other QB's that are due before the decade ends.

It's an old argument, but I think those two rings have to get him in.  The real fun will be when Matt Ryan and Philip Rivers come up.  I think they're comparable (and maybe even a little better) than Eli, but no rings is a real downer for their cases.  Is being above average for a long time enough?  In basketball, the answer (for better or worse) is yes.  I'm not so sure about football.

[bluegirl147]

5 minutes ago, baldryanr said:

It's an old argument, but I think those two rings have to get him in

And those two rings came against a team who's players from that era will be if they aren't already in the HOF.

Edited 14 hours ago by bluegirl147

[Carey]

Just now, bluegirl147 said:

5 minutes ago, baldryanr said:

It's an old argument, but I think those two rings have to get him in

And those two rings came against a team who's players from that era will be if they aren't already be in the HOF.

Agree & disagree there.  We know about Brady and Moss, as well as Seymour and Gronkowski.  We'll see with Harrison & Edelman.  Revis and Seau on the team was very short-lived, not sure about Vrabel, pretty certain about Vinatieri, but the majority of those players aren't getting in (unless people have a pleasant heart)

While stopping New England in 2007 was rather impressive defensively like Seattle and Denver did in 2013 & 2015, when you persevere against Belichick in the biggest game, that means everything.  Helped that the defense showed up, but that also helped Jared Goff in 2018.  So that's a decent case, more than the name on the back of his jersey.

Speaking of TB12, I should have mentioned that Tom is in and Drew Brees is in (unless proven otherwise).  That QB "log jam" is based on everyone else, including Matt Ryan.  Plus there's Nick Foles, who would have a better case than Eli if we judged things on Super Bowls more than anything else.

Doesn't help that there are other people eligible in the next several years (Adam V, Suggs, Fitz (not Ryan), Withworth, AB, maybe AP).  However, typically they'd like to get a QB into Canton & each QB class.  I know Warner had to wait a minute, but he also didn't play that long either.

No reason Edelman can't get in as mentioned, but I'm not going to be surprise if I'm proven otherwise.  I did disagree a long time ago, but changed my mind FWIW.  It had something to do with Josh Allen I believe.

[merylinkid]

19 hours ago, Carey said:

When you ball out in the biggest games, in January, and can play the game in multiple ways, I'd put him in ASAP.

Wasn't one of the reasons Lynn Swann took so long to get in was because he was great in the playoffs but not the rest of the time.

Eli can  join his dad* and Peyton in the HOF.

 

 

 

 

 

 

* yes I know Archie Manning is not, but that's my schtick here and I am sticking with it.

[Carey]

That College HOF thing for Archie is an annual tradition here LOL!

Swann probably doesn't wait that long had he played for someone other than the Steelers.  Of course, there were a ton of Hall of Famers on that team, which isn't the case for New England.  Or wasn't the case for the Steelers.

Speaking of which, as mentioned on Sunday, I was happier that the Chiefs lost than the Steelers winning.  For one, that 20-0 talk is dead.  Whew!  Plus that's good for Kansas City.  Unlike New England and Indianapolis in 2007 and 2009, KC lost a game they were trying to win in a month that ends in an R as opposed to a Y.  They've been fortunate and survived, but it finally caught up to them.  Now they can address their issues while no longer having to worry about "perfection" in the regular season.  On the other hand, they could be the 2011 Packers.  They're just not that good, after having played until end city the previous year (2 years for the champs in this case).

For Pittsburgh, the good news is that if they win out, they'll finally obtain the number one seed for the first time in the Tomlin Era, and the first time in 20 years.  I do get that feeling from 2004, except that team was much better.  Plus, this era of the NFL is brutal with all the Thursday Night Games and flexible scheduling.

With that, no way good news is the story for the Steelers tonight.  I've seen a ton of action for tonight's game; nothing for the Browns at all.  Everyone's going black and gold.  With a win from Cleveland, I think it might be the closest thing I've seen where a winless team knocks off an undefeated team, minimun of 10 games.  Of course, if the Steelers escape, they'll clinch another non-losing season while the Browns will hit yet another losing season.

Something that'll probably happen anyway regardless of tonight's outcome, but the percentage of that will not be 100% if the home team does win.  BTW, I do think people are going to be wrong since a loss by the home team, IMO, will not be by more than a point or two.  Maybe a FG margin.  Line is 3.5 BTW, similar to the Jets/Steelers from a decade ago.  Frustrating, but no surprise.

Finally, with the Chiefs losing to Buffalo, it now means that Pittsburgh will get a much better version next month than they could've had Kansas City won.  KC (and Pittsburgh based off of their current record) will be playing for the top seed.  Steelers might be still having to hold off or catch Baltimore.  Sadly, with a loss, it could be another year of PIT trying to win in Week 18 + get help just for a wild card.  Which is a problem since the Bengals could also be playing for the playoffs.

Despite 8-2, it's must win for the Steelers when you think about it.  Unlike anybody else, they're next game off of extra rest, is against a team that has this week off.  Then Cleveland again before the trifecta of horror or whatever someone calls it

[mojoween]

Were I a voter, Julian Edelman, Nick Foles and Phillip Rivers would get into the HoF when they bought a ticket.

[kathyk2]

2 hours ago, mojoween said:

Were I a voter, Julian Edelman, Nick Foles and Phillip Rivers would get into the HoF when they bought a ticket.

I strongly disagree about Julian Edelman he was Tom Brady's favorite receiver and was clutch especially when Gronk was injured. You can't just look at raw numbers when determining HOF eligibility.

[mojoween]

Cleveland!  Send me that snow.  I know it won’t cross Erie intact but a girl can dream.

I’m watching the game off to the side on my iPad and I swear all I see are penalty flags.

[twoods]

How can they see anything out there?  Kudos to the fans for embracing it.

[Salacious Kitty]

The snow is starting to stick! Bring it, lake effect!

[Marley]

The snow is making this really fun to watch. I don’t know how they can even see lol.