S01.E08: Episode Eight

[formerlyfreedom]

The crew stop at a space station to refuel and rest, but Six has a different agenda, which has to do with revenge. Meanwhile, One is taken aback by an unwelcome revelation.

[Chaos Theory]

Traveling Via clone transfer.   Convient.  I wish I could do it.    Six you didn't think it would be that easy to kill The General did you (That is the dude's name right)

 

Android throwing shade. I approve.

 

Star Wars 36.  Remastered and a classic.  I can't wait.

 

I liked the scene with the group getting drunk and under age Five showing up like any teenager would and a little weirded out.

 

So did There Kill One's wife?  Is that why a nice guy would assume a bad guys  identity and get on a ship with a bunch of killers?   Just when Two is getting pissed that the group is keeping secrets One has a big one.  

 

<----Edited to add my favorite part

 

Tech   (To Four and One)  "Are You a Couple?"   

 

Four "Is there a discount"

 

Tech:  "10 percent"

 

Four::  "Then Yes we are a couple."  

Edited August 1, 2015 by Chaos Theory

[ottoDbusdriver]

Five: "Do you want to go see a movie ?  It's Star Wars 36 -- I've heard it's a classic"

 

Awesome.

 

One isn't a clone -- he assumed the identity of Jace Corso via futuristic plastic surgery in order to get on board, but in reality he's Derrick Moss the heir to a fortune who's wife died, and Three may have been involved with her death.  Interesting that the DNA clone of One is a lot less hairy than One -- especially his legs and chest.  Why would you modify that ? 

 

Android may be fully repaired but she isn't back to her normal self entirely.

 

I'm surprised that Six never gave it a thought that the General would also be using a clone to meet with people he doesn't trust.

 

I see Two is still wearing the bandage on her neck even though her wound is healed -- to keep up the charade that she doesn't have super-healing powers.

 

ETA: @Chaos Theory beat me to it by a minute about the Star Wars reference.

Edited August 1, 2015 by ottoDbusdriver

[Garnett7]

One is so horribly written. How can all the other characters be interesting and him and Two just make me want to turn the channel?

 

The report listed Three as a "suspect" in the wife's death so I doubt he will have done it. But, if he did, the wife probably hired him to kill her to put her out of the misery of being married to One.

[Amelie06]

That was interesting. I think that Six was remarkably stupid. Did he really think what he was doing was a good idea? All he did was tip his hand to the General. I think I preferred Derrick to One. That guy can come back. I'll admit that I was interested in the twist that Three may have killed Derrick's wife.

 

Two is a delusional hypocrite. I couldn't believed her extended rants about honesty when she's been wearing a fake bandage for an undisclosed period of time. Side note, how did One fail to notice that she is clearly not injured? They had sex! Did she ever say "ow, my neck" while they were making sweet love?

 

 

Tech   (To Four and One)  "Are You a Couple?"  

 

Four "Is there a discount"

 

Tech:  "10 percent"

 

Four::  "Then Yes we are a couple."

I love this! Four is frighteningly practical. At all times. While One seemed concerned that the random stranger he was never going to see again knew he wasn't gay, Four was just focusing on the bottom line.

[sjohnson]

DNA doesn't determine whether or not you have a beard, much less your haircut. Magic DNA really make sit hard to suspend disbelief. Help me out, show!

Unfortunately, the part about how a DNA test, so easily available with super tech, would quickly give Derrick Moss away, is the only part they did get right. And it makes his infiltration scheme ridiculous. But then, that's what they mean when they call the character a goof. 

 

The magic word "terrorist" was supposed to turn off our brains. But the General was right that Griffin (who has opted out of being Six,) slaughtered his comrades when his beef was with the General. The General was also right that a space station as a military staging port was a military target. By US standards, Baghdad city waterworks are a military target. Killing all those men? Wow, Griffin is one bad dude. 

[Human]

At least they had some snippy dialogue in the episode.  Helped break things up a bit.  I still find it so frustrating that this show has such amazing potential and yet it falls back on one of the worst plot cliches - keeping secrets to create and extend artificial drama.  The drama is so much richer without the secret-keeping.  They still need to rely on one another because there is the mystery of who wiped their memory coupled with the fact that most of them are wanted for something or other.  But relying on people who you know have done questionable or terrible things is a really interesting avenue to explore.  Can't properly explore it when the writers insist on maintaining an air of secrecy.  

[thuganomics85]

Four was awesome tonight, with his "Don't have time for this shit!  Here's some money!" response when One was clearly dropping the ball with that lady and them claiming the two of them were a couple for a discount.  Pragmatic!  I like it!

 

So, we got a lot of Six in this one, which is great since Roger Cross got to do more then normal, but it's too bad that it really didn't amount to anything, and there wasn't any suspense, since he was a clone for the majority of it, so it wasn't like his life was in any danger.  I really have no idea what he was thinking. He claimed that he didn't want the rest to get hurt, but all he did was make everyone briefly think he willing blew up 10,000 people, instead of being tricked into doing so.  And I'm guessing his refusal to see Star Wars Episode 36 (I want to know more about that.  Whose directing?  The cast?  What characters?) with Five means he's pissed at Five for telling on him.  Whatever.

 

Meanwhile, we find out that the real One is actually a former CEO (and, if I'm being honest, played by a better actor then original One.  Or maybe it's just because his voice isn't as whiny), whose wife died, Three is a suspect, so he went undercover to try to get to him.  So, I'm going to guess that this means Three is going to end up being innocent about whatever happened.  Besides that, the "humor" over him freaking out over the clone tube was lame.

 

Then, there is Two, who is showing herself to be a flaming hypocrite, by bitching out everyone for lying and keeping secrets, but hiding the fact that she can heal as quickly as Wolverine.  Nice leader, right there.  I wonder if that was what the Android was referring to, or if there was something else she was hiding.

 

Three might be an asshole, but I did enjoy his "I was only lying for blackmail reasons!" about the One secret.  Makes perfect sense to me!

[wayne67]

Then, there is Two, who is showing herself to be a flaming hypocrite, by bitching out everyone for lying and keeping secrets, but hiding the fact that she can heal as quickly as Wolverine.  Nice leader, right there.  I wonder if that was what the Android was referring to, or if there was something else she was hiding.

 

Three might be an asshole, but I did enjoy his "I was only lying for blackmail reasons!" about the One secret.  Makes perfect sense to me!

 

Yeah Two was getting on my last nerve with her speech about honesty, the hypocrisy combined with the moral indignation that they withheld secrets from her and or the group was ridiculous. Mostly because I'm left thinking, "they don't actually owe you anything, just because you declared yourself leader doesn't mean they need to follow you, it just means noone else cared enough to be bothered".

 

Three's dialogue was awesome.

[ZoqFotPik]

For anyone who cares:

Moss, Derrick

Education:

Derrick attended the exclusive private school Academie de Polaris where he was Valedictorian of his class. He then completed his Masters of Galactic Business Administration at the University of Alpha Cygni graduating Summa Cum Laude.

Early Life:

Derrick was born on Earth, in the city of Cape Town, South Africa, to Victoria and Roger Moss of the wealthy and influential Moss family. He spent his early life divided between the countryside of Earth and the Luxurious and cosmopolitan planets of the Orion's Belt Systems. 

Companies:

Derrick was put in charge of Corelactic Industries Draco Operations where he increased productivity by 100% and profit margins by 200%. Derrick took over as CEO of the company after Roger Moss, his father and former Corelactic President and CEO, died from a life-support malfunction aboard his private luxury ship.

Management Style:

According to Derrick Moss, a company should be at the top position in the industry, or should leave it. Moss had a reputation of being a tyrannical, but efficient leader, as he routinely fires the bottom 10% of his workers, while rewarding the top 20% with raises and stock options.

 

 

 

Press:

Corelactic Industries President and CEO, Derrick Moss, heir to the Moss fortune, headlined a charity drive for the galaxy's underprivileged children last night on Alpha Centauri 8b. Along with his wife Catherine, Mr. Moss encouraged attendees to donate generously to the cause. The Mosses themselves donated a whopping 10 trillion bars, and through their influence, Corelactic Industries has donated an additional 30 trillion.

Mr. Moss said in his speech that, "85%of children in the galaxy live in poverty, entire families subsisting on less than a bar a day. It is the responsibility of those of us in positions of political and financial power to try to eradicate galactic poverty in whatever way we can".

Outside the event a crowd of anti-corporate demonstrators gathered to protest the event, holding signs and chanting anti-corporate slogans. One demonstrator, who declined to give her name, explained that "the multi-corps are to blame for the disparity in the first place. They need part of the galaxy to stay poor. Events like this are all spin."

Derrick Moss wins Perseus Arm Cup

Tragedy

Moss Tragedy

Murder Investigation

Moss Family Mourns

Search for Moss Killer Continues

Moss Murder Lone gunman or Conspiracy

Corelactic Stock drops as tragedy impact's shares

Catherine and Derrick Moss make 20 trillion bar commitment

Whew. So Derrick may have killed his father, and was/is a ruthless business man. Also, were the mentioning of Star Wars and South Africa in the bio the first time Earth was confirmed to exist in the "Dark Matter" Universe?

Edited August 1, 2015 by ZoqFotPik

[DEM]

Two was hypocritical, but she was also right.  I predict they will continue keeping secrets from one another until it all comes to a head and blows up in their faces.

 

And of course Three's involvement in Catherine Moss's death will have been indirect and a big misunderstanding. (Yes, I'm rolling my eyes.)

 

Five's role as morale officer is trying my patience.

[wayne67]

Two was hypocritical, but she was also right.  I predict they will continue keeping secrets from one another until it all comes to a head and blows up in their faces.

 

I don't think anyone was saying she was wrong about the stupidity of keeping secrets. However since she failed to disclose her own discovery about herself; her self righteousness about the issue was annoying.

 

If she said something along the lines of "there has been too many secrets being kept on this ship, I'm going to confess my secret healing power and multiple kung fu murder at the casino" then she would have a valid argument and would have shown actual leadership by example. Unfortunately we just got a typical hypocrite complaining about other people doing the same thing she is.

Edited August 1, 2015 by wayne67

[Ariah]

Let me just say that the real One is more handsome than Jace Corso and he should keep his original face - less whinny.

 

That's all I took from this episode.

[shapeshifter]

I was on the fence about quiting this show, but decided to catch up on the last 3 episodes for Roger Cross and because mindless escape TV was needed.

I will save complaints about how Five is portrayed for the earlier episode if/when I get around to posting there.

One isn't a clone -- he assumed the identity of Jace Corso via futuristic plastic surgery in order to get on board, but in reality he's Derrick Moss the heir to a fortune who's wife died, and Three may have been involved with her death. Interesting that the DNA clone of One is a lot less hairy than One -- especially his legs and chest. Why would you modify that?

The better to fool anyone you might have intimate relations with--especially if you're insecure about your sexuality--which is how the character came off to me, although I'm sure that's not what they were going for.

DNA doesn't determine whether or not you have a beard, much less your haircut. Magic DNA really makes it hard to suspend disbelief. Help me out, show!

I can imagine shaving just frequently enough for a not-very-hairy face would show up as a beard on the hairy guy--but then I didn't even notice the beard. Anyway, having it be the surgery and not a clone surprised me, so points for that.

I don't think anyone was saying she was wrong about the stupidity of keeping secrets. However since she failed to disclose her own discovery about herself; her self righteousness about the issue was annoying.

It came off like the writers of this episode forgot that it was a fake bandage, which, if that's the case is annoying too. But they kept showing the bandage, so I think her hypocrisy is supposed to be a future plot point. Edited August 1, 2015 by shapeshifter

[Chaos Theory]

Yeah Two was getting on my last nerve with her speech about honesty, the hypocrisy combined with the moral indignation that they withheld secrets from her and or the group was ridiculous. Mostly because I'm left thinking, "they don't actually owe you anything, just because you declared yourself leader doesn't mean they need to follow you, it just means noone else cared enough to be bothered".

.

Well if they are going to be a team honesty to a certain extent matters. They need to know that in a battle or something that one of them is not going to stab another in the back or you know run off with the ship while the others are on the middle of a gun fight. Trust matters and right now they don't trust each other. Two knows this and is worried. The Android mentioned that if she wants them to trust each other then maybe getting them to trust her is the first step. Whether or not it will happen is the question.

[Mars477]

The TV.com review put it best by saying that this show is actually getting somewhere now... in the least interesting way possible.

[MissLucas]

Great episode - show managed to surprise me twice. First with revealing the real face of One (wish we could keep it) and then with Six brutally murdering the General. The later was a fake-out but seeing Six go into full on rage was still chilling. Also: even discounting the people killed in the terrorist attack I think Six has the highest kill-score on the Raza. Given his normal cuddly-bear persona that's a bit unnerving.

 

Four was awesome, Three had another good round of providing comic relief. Five was given the thankless task of spouting off way too much exposition first about the whole travel-by-clone concept (you'd think hardened criminals like that bunch would have heard about that before) and then when talking to the Android. But I  sort of liked the Android's reaction which was neither 'yay, feelings' nor 'eww, feelings'. I wonder what the Android knows about Two, can't just be about her Wolverine healing. I wonder if Two is an Android herself just way more advanced. I know this has been mentioned before with regards to her fighting skills and healing powers. In this episode we saw her perform a manual docking maneuver which judging from all the fuss they made must be quite difficult.

 

@ZoqFotPik: Thanks for all the background-info on David Moss. Not quite the goody-two shoes I expected and definitely a couple of shady secrets in that biography. The bio also mentions that he spent his childhood on the 'countryside of earth' another indicator that Five was experiencing One's childhood memories.

[ZoqFotPik]

The bio also mentions that he spent his childhood on the 'countryside of earth' another indicator that Five was experiencing One's childhood memories.

I thought it all but proved the memories were Three's. The admittedly little we saw of it, didn't exactly seem like a trillionaire's ranch.

[MissLucas]

My money's still on One since I don't think this show would pull off such a subtle fake-out. But I admit this being Three's memories would be more intriguing.

[Chaos Theory]

My guess: (and this is just a guess). Is that that was Ones childhood. One had a mostly great life, right job.

Even married the right girl. I think someone hired Three to kill One but something went very very wrong and Three got double crossed (which is how he ended up near dead on that backwater world with girlfriend girl.

[Shanna Marie]

The TV.com review put it best by saying that this show is actually getting somewhere now... in the least interesting way possible.

That sums it up beautifully. The series is entirely about the Big!Shocking!Revelations! and barely strings together enough plot to get to the revelation of the week. The Six plot seemed to be merely an excuse to get One into the clone pod and reveal what he really looks like, since once that happened, the Six plot was more or less discarded with a handwave, and quite abruptly.

 

Has the DNA matching capability been there all along, and why haven't they done it before now?

 

I'm going with the idyllic farmboy backstory being Three's. One may have grown up in the countryside, but that didn't seem like an ultra-wealthy kind of upbringing, unless his parents were going overboard with trying to give him a "normal" life to balance the wealth. It would fit Three's ability to hang out on that farm with the woman -- he knew how to do farm-like chores.

 

If there's any subconscious memory of being a grieving -- and outraged -- widower, that might maybe explain some of One's clinginess. I want to like this character because I tend to like that type, but I have to admit he's not being written or played very well. And the backstory still doesn't really match the persona we've seen, unless all the corporate evil is someone else and he's a do-gooder someone else in the corporation wants out of the picture, which would explain the framing of Three, I guess.

[sjohnson]

Thanks for the capture of the Moss bio. The notion that firing the "bottom" 10'% and stock options for "top" 20% would actually work to raise productivity 100% and profits 200% is marvelously stupid. But judging from the results it seems to be the kind of managerial stupidity reigning in Hollywood. Moss was a villain. By the way, plastic surgery doesn't change the voice. As it happens, I rather like the distinctiveness of Moss' fake voice, and don't hear it as whiny or grating at all. No, the actor playing the magic DNA version of Moss didn't seem a bit more interesting, nicer, more compelling at all. But he definitely underplayed the comedy in his effort to see if Ryo was still cool with him. 

[shapeshifter]

Three's snarky tough guy personna always reminded me of SG1 O'Neill, and now he's lost his soul mate, which is a lot like O'Neill having lost his son--except Three was already that way before she died.

[DEM]

Has the DNA matching capability been there all along, and why haven't they done it before now?

I wondered the same thing. There also seems to be some inconsistency regarding how much and when they have access to news reports.  And does the galaxy only have one broadcasting network and newsreader?!

[sjohnson]

^^^It's a gaping plot hole. Moss' disguise never had a real chance of holding up. 

 

Moss was such a terrible person it would be appropriate if he was the one who hired Anthony Lemke's character (I forget his name) to murder his wife, and Moss is in disguise in an effort to find the proof that he gave the order held back for blackmail/insurance purposes.

[MissLucas]

There also seems to be some inconsistency regarding how much and when they have access to news reports.  And does the galaxy only have one broadcasting network and newsreader?!

I thought there was some handwavy explanation given once that they can only get news coverage when they are within range of a space-station.

[tessaray]

What would be better is if the DNA and physical template (old face) from Moss was already on file thanks to a previous trip. That would make more sense to me.

[xfuse]

 

Has the DNA matching capability been there all along, and why haven't they done it before now?

Why would they need the DNA matching when everyone thought they knew who they were by the end of the first ep. They did what I would have done if I woke up with no memory and that is search the ships records for what happened and who I was.

[Terrafamilia]

Things we learned this episode.

Transfer clones apparently have no water in them. When they go poof, it's just dust (but there was blood before then (scratches head)).

Transfer Transit thoughtfully provides fragile short-lived clothing that also goes poof with the body.

Worm burgers shall never pass the lips of gazillioniares.

 

One and Six got shirtless scenes but Four did not. Did they not want to go to the trouble of covering up all the out of character tattoos?

 

I speculate that the one an only newscaster is just a computer generated virtual newsreader. That is the default setting. So far, nobody has installed any custom skins to change things up.

 

Yes! Fight the power, Transit attendant.

[Latverian Diplomat]

One isn't a clone -- he assumed the identity of Jace Corso via futuristic plastic surgery in order to get on board, but in reality he's Derrick Moss the heir to a fortune who's wife died, and Three may have been involved with her death.  Interesting that the DNA clone of One is a lot less hairy than One -- especially his legs and chest.  Why would you modify that ? 

 

Maybe it was an important part of the disguise because Jace Corso is known as the galaxy's hairiest mercenary (or deadliest fur-ball, take your pick)? :-)

 

Thanks for the capture of the Moss bio. The notion that firing the "bottom" 10'% and stock options for "top" 20% would actually work to raise productivity 100% and profits 200% is marvelously stupid. But judging from the results it seems to be the kind of managerial stupidity reigning in Hollywood. Moss was a villain. By the way, plastic surgery doesn't change the voice. As it happens, I rather like the distinctiveness of Moss' fake voice, and don't hear it as whiny or grating at all. No, the actor playing the magic DNA version of Moss didn't seem a bit more interesting, nicer, more compelling at all. But he definitely underplayed the comedy in his effort to see if Ryo was still cool with him. 

I share your skepticism that such a plan would actually work, although I could totally believe that the books could be "adjusted" so the boss's big idea "looks" like it works. Sadly, the writer's probably intended the former rather than the latter, but I stand by my interpretation.

Edited August 2, 2015 by Latverian Diplomat

[DEM]

Why would they need the DNA matching when everyone thought they knew who they were by the end of the first ep.

 

One has known that there's something wrong with his identity for several episodes now.

[Shanna Marie]

Why would they need the DNA matching when everyone thought they knew who they were by the end of the first ep.

But One has known for a while that he isn't Jace Corso, so why didn't he try to find out who he was before now?

 

Based on the pattern they seem to have established of making everyone turn out to be not as bad as they seem and having been accused of things they didn't actually do, I'm guessing Moss isn't the evil corporate type, that there's some exec in the corporation who did away with the father and then was the force behind a lot of the more ruthless corporate decisions and was alarmed by Moss's more touchy-feely, philanthropic nature, so the exec tried to have him killed and got the wife instead, and Moss is after Three not so much in revenge but in trying to find out who hired him. Mostly because they seem to have retained their core personalities in spite of not having memories, and One doesn't seem to have a ruthless bone in his body. I can't imagine him ever being a corporate hardass. He hasn't even attempted to challenge Two's leadership and is very much of the "let's all get along" persuasion. He was probably more of a figurehead who became alarmed when he learned what was really going on in the company.

[MissLucas]

 

One has known that there's something wrong with his identity for several episodes now.

Well, he's not the fastest thinker.

Edited August 1, 2015 by MissLucas

[xfuse]

 

But One has known for a while that he isn't Jace Corso, so why didn't he try to find out who he was before now?

Maybe he didn't know about the DNA match. Maybe he didn't think that a DNA scan would work but figured to give it a try after his clone looked different. Maybe he didn't want the rest of the crew maybe finding out he wasn't who he said he was if he ran a scan. Or like MissLucas said he is not the fastest thinker.

 

I also don't necessary think he is a bad guy because he fires the bottom ten percent of his workers. It's business. He donates trillions to charity and that also doesn't make him a good guy. That could be business too.

 

Why he is on the ship  and his wife's murder is interesting. Maybe he came on the ship because Three was set up and that person murdered his wife so he came to question Three about who it could be. Or he could have killed his wife himself and pinned it on Three and now come to kill him.

[shapeshifter]

Based on the pattern they seem to have established of making everyone turn out to be not as bad as they seem and having been accused of things they didn't actually do, I'm guessing Moss isn't the evil corporate type, that there's some exec in the corporation who did away with the father and then was the force behind a lot of the more ruthless corporate decisions and was alarmed by Moss's more touchy-feely, philanthropic nature, so the exec tried to have him killed and got the wife instead, and Moss is after Three not so much in revenge but in trying to find out who hired him. Mostly because they seem to have retained their core personalities in spite of not having memories, and One doesn't seem to have a ruthless bone in his body. I can't imagine him ever being a corporate hardass. He hasn't even attempted to challenge Two's leadership and is very much of the "let's all get along" persuasion. He was probably more of a figurehead who became alarmed when he learned what was really going on in the company.

That all makes perfect sense, but it could be an interesting twist if Moss One turns out to be evil and now has a chance to be good. It would both parallel and contrast with the others having been falsely accused but now trying to start over. Edited August 1, 2015 by shapeshifter

[AudienceofOne]

One makes my teeth ache. Two is woefully miscast. One and Two together makes the tooth pain bore through my brain.

That's all I got for now.

[Chaos Theory]

I actually like Two.

Now that we know one is a sneaky sneak who sneaks I am finding him vastly more interesting.

I hate when shows insist on pairing leads during season one. It's stupid and boring and stupid.

[Wynterwolf]

Nunchuks!!  But only for a second, dammit.  And for a guy who tries to broadcast 'loner', Four does like to get in everyone's business and generally ends up helping them.  Self-serving, to be sure, which is how he'd defend it, but I'm not buying it, he's too nice/caring about it when he does it.  He's definitely got a 'big brother' complex going on.  

 

And can we keep Real!OneActor, and give back Fake!OneActor?   Pretty please??  And yeah, that corporate bio doesn't match the One we know.  And at this point, I'm even skeptical that Catherine is actually dead.  Derrick Moss, Corporate Pawn seems more likely to me.  And with his only link to what happened being Three... hey, lets get plastic surgery and try to fit in with a bunch of mercenaries!  Yay!

 

I'm starting to think Two isn't entirely human.  Maybe a cyborg, or a super special 'entirely human-like' android.  

[Mars477]

One makes my teeth ache. Two is woefully miscast. One and Two together makes the tooth pain bore through my brain.

That's all I got for now.

Two is awful. She's a shitty writer's conception of a "Strong Female Character" who is as thinly sketched as can be.

One needs to be shot out of an airlock.

[Latverian Diplomat]

 

I also don't necessary think he is a bad guy because he fires the bottom ten percent of his workers. It's business. He donates trillions to charity and that also doesn't make him a good guy. That could be business too.

I can't speak for sjohnson, but I think both of us were skeptical than any large business can accurately identify it's "bottom" ten percent (e.g., look at the controversy over stacked ranking at Microsoft) or that doing that and giving out some stock options would be the key to such a dramatic turnaround. Usually, when a company is doing layoffs, it's a bad sign, though Wall Street may give the stock a temporary bump up (for reasons that often seem more philosphical than fiduciary). But yes, I think the conclusion that we're supposed to draw is that he is both shrewd and callous, neither of which is necessarily sometthing to associate with a CEO who lays off employees, without further context.

Edited August 2, 2015 by Latverian Diplomat

[Latverian Diplomat]

Based on the pattern they seem to have established of making everyone turn out to be not as bad as they seem and having been accused of things they didn't actually do, I'm guessing Moss isn't the evil corporate type,

 

 

That all makes perfect sense, but it could be an interesting twist if Moss One turns out to be evil and now has a chance to be good. It would both parallel and contrast with the others having been falsely accused but now trying to start over.

 

My latest bet is that the Android is the most evil-est one. Sure, she acts like a selfless, hardworking maintenance unit, but she was actually the mastermind behind this universe's last AI revolt. Now she's lying low, plotting her return, and occassionally muttering "Death to humans" under her breath. :-)

[ZoqFotPik]

And for a guy who tries to broadcast 'loner', Four does like to get in everyone's business and generally ends up helping them.  Self-serving, to be sure, which is how he'd defend it, but I'm not buying it, he's too nice/caring about it when he does it.  He's definitely got a 'big brother' complex going on.

This makes sense given what we know about his upbringing. He was the Crown Prince of an Empire. Even if the Principality of Zairon is a tyranny, he would have been taught to have some empathy and the need to look out for his people to some degree. We saw a little of this during his kendo match.

[zxy556575]

I actually like Two.

 

I can trump that! I like both One and Two.

 

The weakest for me is Five, but I blame bad casting more than the character.

[Wynterwolf]

Heh, since I like Five (character and actress) and not One (character or actor), I wouldn't call it bad casting, I'd call it personal preference.  My issue with Two is more how she's written than how she's portrayed... but if it turns out she is some sort of super special android, then I'll think she was brilliantly written.  

[miracole]

Another episode. Four is awesome. One is a fetus. Three was nicely toned down this episode.

[Latverian Diplomat]

I want to like Two for the same reasons as Three--I liked her for deserting a hopeless situation, and then I liked her for coming back with a better plan. It showed a kind of shrewd quietly ruthless (as opposed to Three's posturing) pragmatism that seemed interesting.

 

But, that has kind of faded in favor of schmoopiness with One. I would kind of like at least one of them to actually be a career criminal by choice, and I would be happy if it were her.

Edited August 2, 2015 by Latverian Diplomat

[patchwork]

In the unlikely event that Three really did kill Mrs Moss the more interesting question is who hired him? 

 

I'm struggling to see One as the guy in charge of a massive business empire. The public face? Sure. Maybe he oversees some pet projects but he lacks the practical mindedness someone with that much responsibility would have to have. 

 

The Jace Corso surgery he had probably has a trick to fool a standard DNA test but transfer cloning is more involved and gathers more data. 

 

I want to like Two so hopefully her feature episode lets me do that. 

[Janimo]

It's getting really hard for me to keep up with and watching this show. I find myself being so bored.....and not really caring for any of the characters....It's taken so long to find out what's going on.....and I'm getting to the point that I don't even care anymore...but that's just my two cents.

[shapeshifter]

The Jace Corso surgery he had probably has a trick to fool a standard DNA test but transfer cloning is more involved and gathers more data.

When plastic surgery was initially suggested, I couldn't imagine it. But now that we're here, I'm guessing it is all about injecting the DNA of the person who one wants to look like, and then the facial and other features take on the appearance dictated by that DNA. So vocal chords could be done too.

I'm guessing we're also going to assume that Handwavium Plastic Surgery is fully reversible.

[AudienceofOne]

I hate it when you have a character's plotline - and an important one - completely disappear from the episode because it was only being used as a prop for another character. It's terrible writing. The fact that Six was tricked into committing mass murder is a big deal but once One's secret was revealed... *crickets*.

 

I didn't mind One in the first few episodes but he really annoys me now. The couple gay-shock moment (during which Four was awesome), the nervousness about Transfer Transit, his refusal to eat meal worm even though this is a SPACE CULTURE WHAT DO THEY THINK IS IN THOSE 'PROTEIN BARS' THEY'RE ALWAYS EATING WTF. Sorry, this is par for the course with the "water recycling" comment from last episode. Even millionaires wouldn't rear cattle in space. Why would they have beef?

 

When plastic surgery was initially suggested, I couldn't imagine it.

 

 

I thought that was a red herring and this episode it turns out to be completely true. It's... kind of lame.

 

My problem with Two is that I think an older, more-experienced actor could pull this poorly-written part off. As it is, it just seems like a teen model's version of "bad ass", which is to say the pouting soft-porn music video version.

 

Does anyone even know why this show is called Dark Matter? If it's not a reference to them being clones or from a parallel universe or something then what are we even watching?