Avaleigh June 13 Share June 13 4 hours ago, Notabug said: I think the discipline of skating seems to lend itself to the sorts of skills that lead to academic success. There are so many skaters with advanced degrees. Paul Wylie got an MBA from Harvard. He was accepted into law school there, but changed his mind and did the MBA instead. Debi Thomas went to Stanford for undergrad and went to med school at Northwestern. She was a practicing orthopedic surgeon for a while. Unfortunately, she has struggled with bipolar disorder and I don't think she has practiced in a number of years. Years ago, when I heard the update about Debi, it made me feel so sad. I hope things are better for her now. 3 Link to comment
annzeepark914 June 22 Share June 22 https://people.com/olympic-ice-dancers-madison-chock-evan-bates-marry-hawaii-wedding-8663677 9 Link to comment
annzeepark914 June 27 Share June 27 https://www.usfigureskating.org/news/article/figure-skating-love-story-eva-pate-and-logan-bye 2 Link to comment
SweetSable July 25 Share July 25 Finally!! CAS ruling on Kamila Valieva case means US skaters can finally get gold medals. https://tinyurl.com/2pbrhcr5 1 8 1 1 Link to comment
galaxygirl76 July 26 Share July 26 21 hours ago, SweetSable said: Finally!! CAS ruling on Kamila Valieva case means US skaters can finally get gold medals. https://tinyurl.com/2pbrhcr5 I'm so happy they will still get their Olympic moment, especially the bronze medalists. 1 1 Link to comment
SweetSable July 26 Share July 26 4 hours ago, galaxygirl76 said: I'm so happy they will still get their Olympic moment, especially the bronze medalists. The bronze may be going to the Russians (minus Valieva), not the Canadians. I haven't seen any confirmation. And if the Canadians aren't awarded the bronze I'm sure they'll appeal. 2 Link to comment
redpencil July 26 Share July 26 Canada already has appealed, and there's been no decision on that one that I've seen. This is only the Russian appeals that were dismissed, making gold for the U.S. and silver for Japan now official. 2 Link to comment
annzeepark914 July 27 Share July 27 I sure hope all the gold, silver & bronze team members will be in Paris for this way overdue awards ceremony. They deserve all the attention the media can give them. 5 1 Link to comment
Chaser August 2 Share August 2 (edited) Canada has lost the appeal. Russia will have the Bronze medal. So stupid. They should have disqualified. Edited August 2 by Chaser 13 Link to comment
NUguy514 August 3 Share August 3 3 hours ago, Chaser said: Canada has lost the appeal. Russia will have the Bronze medal. So stupid. They should have disqualified. While I am not surprised because of all the corruption, what utter bullshit. 9 Link to comment
MaryMitch August 3 Share August 3 The medals will be awarded in a ceremony at Champions Park, next to the Eiffel Tower, on Aug. 7 at 5 p.m. The Russian team will not be allowed to attend. https://www.beloitdailynews.com/2024olympics/canada-loses-beijing-olympics-figure-skating-medals-appeal-russians-also-wont-get-medals-in-paris/article_ec066299-c675-5b9f-b3dd-30f19caee979.html 3 Link to comment
annzeepark914 August 4 Share August 4 (edited) I am so disgusted by this decision. Was really looking forward to seeing three deserving, winning teams, who competed clean, be rewarded & recognized. The Russians all were tainted by this drug scandal. I'm so tired of them always being allowed to compete, allowances always being made for them Even now, they're representing other countries since Russia isn't allowed to participate. Edited August 4 by annzeepark914 6 Link to comment
Avaleigh August 4 Share August 4 2 hours ago, annzeepark914 said: I am so disgusted by this decision. Was really looking forward to seeing three deserving, winning teams, who competed clean, be rewarded & recognized. The Russians all were tainted by this drug scandal. I'm so tired of them always being allowed to compete, allowances always being made for them Even now, they're representing other countries since Russia isn't allowed to participate. What's also annoying to me is the Russians don't even want the bronze. They're wallowing in denial and think they're big victims in all of this. They think they deserve the gold and think their team was so strong that if they'd subbed Shcherbakova or Trusova that the end result of them getting gold would have been the same. To me, they should have been completely disqualified. The wrong message is repeatedly being sent by allowing them to have the bronze. Kamila is the one who got caught, but there's every reason to think that she wasn't the only Russian skater participating in this state sponsored doping. Russia continues to get away with this stuff again and again, and there have been little to no consequences for what they've done. Even when they aren't competing under their flag, they're still up to the same shenanigans even after they were caught *again*. What else is it going to take? Even now, they aren't being kept from competing because of their cheating. They're being kept out because of Ukraine. Which is fine, I don't have an issue with that apart from wishing that this was *in addition* to being banned for all the years they've been cheating. They see themselves as victims who are being kept out for political reasons and I wish that they could also know that even if the war hadn't happened that they'd still be banned because they don't play by the rules. It's very frustrating that they think they're the ones who are being treated unfairly. 3 9 Link to comment
CeeBeeGee August 4 Share August 4 15 hours ago, Avaleigh said: Kamila is the one who got caught, but there's every reason to think that she wasn't the only Russian skater participating in this state sponsored doping. I mean, of course she wasn't the only one. At this point, I'm suspicious about every one of their athletes. And I agree about the victim complex. Just eff off, Russia. No one is missing you these Games. We're all glad we don't have to witness a starving, lied-to teenager melt down spectacularly because she didn't get the gold. 4 9 Link to comment
Chaser August 5 Share August 5 Or girls like Anna. Sitting alone with a teddy bear. 2 2 1 Link to comment
MaryMitch August 6 Share August 6 (edited) Looks like the ceremony will be Wednesday, Aug. 7 at 11 a.m. ET on Peacock and USA Network https://www.usfigureskating.org/news/article/2022-olympic-team-event-medal-ceremony More info here: https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/columnist/brennan/2024/08/06/us-figure-skaters-olympics-gold-medals-eiffel-tower/74686261007/ Edited August 6 by MaryMitch 2 1 Link to comment
annzeepark914 August 16 Share August 16 https://northernvirginiamag.com/culture/culture-features/2024/08/14/ilia-malinin-world-figure-skating-champion-from-vienna/ 1 Link to comment
Salacious Kitty August 29 Share August 29 Maybe they thought that since they're just competing domestically that doping wouldn't be an issue? More reason to not let them back to international competition, ever. 2 Link to comment
NUguy514 August 29 Share August 29 2 hours ago, CeeBeeGee said: Sigh. Russians be doping again. It must be a day ending in -day. 9 Link to comment
annzeepark914 September 17 Share September 17 Somewhere online at NBC Sports is the video of our Gold Medal Team finally receiving their medals. They're at a table, with glasses of champagne, being interviewed. Evan Bates made a final, very apt remark about the delay and this ceremony. ❤️🇺🇲❤️ I can't find the link. 1 Link to comment
wintrygal September 18 Share September 18 They rejected Canada's appeal for the bronze medal, it will go to the Russians, cause that's fair! B.S... I console myself with knowing that Canada already has a gold in this event, so they can stuff it. 1 1 Link to comment
honeywest September 19 Share September 19 Tatiana Tarasova on Russia’s exclusion from the Olympic medals ceremony: “It’s unfair, uncultured, and dishonorable. The Olympic Committee should treat everyone equally, especially us.” 10 Link to comment
peachmangosteen September 22 Share September 22 Does anyone have a link to TV schedule for this season? Is Peacock airing everything this year? Link to comment
annzeepark914 September 23 Share September 23 On 9/18/2024 at 8:17 PM, honeywest said: Tatiana Tarasova on Russia’s exclusion from the Olympic medals ceremony: “It’s unfair, uncultured, and dishonorable. The Olympic Committee should treat everyone equally, especially us.” Doesn't this beat all? After all their repeated cheating (summer & winter O's), Russia should be permanently banned from the Olympics. I'm sick of them being catered to (their athletes being allowed to represent other countries). Clean up your act, Russia, or just get stuffed. 5 4 Link to comment
honeywest September 24 Share September 24 (edited) That quote came from FS Gossips, where Russian skaters reassure one another that any event without them is illegitimate. Tarasova is also shocked––shocked!––that anyone can think there is doping in Russia. Edited September 24 by honeywest 2 2 Link to comment
annzeepark914 September 30 Share September 30 https://www.goldenskate.com/new-heights-for-usas-sarah-everhardt/ So...do we dare get excited? 🤞 1 Link to comment
Salacious Kitty September 30 Share September 30 I've been out of the skating loop. Her results are promising! I hope she gets a second Grand Prix assignment. Link to comment
annzeepark914 October 3 Share October 3 https://apnews.com/article/figure-skating-nikolaj-sorensen-suspended-1e90e02df72c6f6a515f23b6fa5fe943 3 1 Link to comment
Salacious Kitty October 3 Share October 3 He should have been nowhere near Worlds last season. Good riddance. 2 2 Link to comment
annzeepark914 October 4 Share October 4 1 hour ago, Salacious Kitty said: He should have been nowhere near Worlds last season. Good riddance. My sentiments exactly! Over at Golden Skate it seems to be a sensitive subject 🙄. 3 Link to comment
Maelstrom October 4 Share October 4 The few times I’ve ventured over to GS, everything seems to be a sensitive subject 😒 1 1 Link to comment
Salacious Kitty October 5 Share October 5 I prefer FSU. Dissension is okay and oftentimes leads to great debates. 2 Link to comment
annzeepark914 October 12 Share October 12 https://www.forbes.com/sites/jimclash/2024/10/07/sasha-cohen-on-why-us-women-skaters-havent--medaled-since-2006/ https://www.nbcsports.com/olympics/news/alysa-liu-figure-skating-comeback 1 Link to comment
Maelstrom October 12 Share October 12 (edited) TV schedule for those of us dinosaurs who refuse to get Peacock https://usfigureskatingfanzone.com/sports/2024/9/27/television-schedule.aspx Edited October 12 by Maelstrom 4 Link to comment
CeeBeeGee October 14 Share October 14 Alysa Liu won the gold medal at the Budapest Trophy! What a great start to a comeback! 7 Link to comment
Avaleigh October 14 Share October 14 19 hours ago, CeeBeeGee said: Alysa Liu won the gold medal at the Budapest Trophy! What a great start to a comeback! I haven't seen her programs yet for this season. She's definitely going to be a highlight on the Grand Prix. I can't wait to find out everyone's new music this season. I'm also curious to know how everyone especially younger skaters are navigating the new changes in terms of music rules. 1 Link to comment
Maelstrom October 15 Share October 15 I haven’t kept up with the newest round of rule changes - what’s different this season? Have they finally disallowed vocals in music? (she asked hopefully) 1 Link to comment
annzeepark914 October 15 Share October 15 On 10/12/2024 at 12:19 AM, Maelstrom said: TV schedule for those of us dinosaurs who refuse to get Peacock https://usfigureskatingfanzone.com/sports/2024/9/27/television-schedule.aspx Fellow dinosaur here. Sheesh...I just can't see paying NBC to see skating competitions. Glad that we get to see parts of them on E! & USA. Oh, that vocals would become disallowed. I might be able to watch women's (without having to endure whispery, anemic sounding ballads). One more gripe (& I sound like Dick Button): the arms constantly flying up in women's & also lately in ice dance. Whatever happened to Lori Nichols? She knew how to artistically use arms & hands. 3 Link to comment
Maelstrom October 15 Share October 15 Yeah, I have Thoughts on NBC/Peacock's business model, but I'll spare you all my tirade. I intend to watch as much as I can on tv for as long as I can. I don't know which is worse - the whispery anemic ballads, the classic rock songs I still have stuck in my head after working decades of retail, or umpteenth use of Moulin Rouge/Phantom/__insert overplayed warhorse song here__. Thank goodness for the mute button! 3 Link to comment
annzeepark914 October 15 Share October 15 I hit the mute button as soon as I hear a concertina playing. Its sharp sound really gets on my nerves 😖. 2 Link to comment
peachmangosteen October 15 Share October 15 14 hours ago, Avaleigh said: I can't wait to find out everyone's new music this season. I'm also curious to know how everyone especially younger skaters are navigating the new changes in terms of music rules. So, what are the new rules? If they disallow words in the music I'll probably watch less. I think more of them need to be using more current and/or well-known songs tbh if anyone wants figure skating to become somewhat popular again. 2 Link to comment
Avaleigh October 15 Share October 15 (edited) 11 hours ago, peachmangosteen said: So, what are the new rules? If they disallow words in the music I'll probably watch less. I think more of them need to be using more current and/or well-known songs tbh if anyone wants figure skating to become somewhat popular again. Someone else will be able to do a much better job than I will regarding the new rules for this season. In a nutshell though, it's about everyone covering their asses regarding any future lawsuits wrt music after what happened with Alexa and Brandon. Quote For a song to be fully licensed through U.S. Figure Skating's blanket licenses, the song must be 100% covered between ASCAP, BMI, or a combination of the two. So basically skaters have to choose a song from the Songview database. I have zero idea of how extensive this database is, but I suspect it isn't going to do anything to aid the issue with skaters opting for warhorse music or any other safe/not particularly imaginative choices. I could be way off base, maybe we'll all be pleasantly surprised, but right now my cynicism is getting the better of me. The other new thing, and please someone correct me if I'm wrong, is the issue of video sharing. Basically, all competitions no matter how minor have had professional videographers so that skaters can get copies of their performances. With the new rule, the videographers will only be able to share performances that contain no music. Considering how skating is struggling to gain new viewers, this seems like a counterproductive change to make when we take into account how many people used to share videos with family, friends, schools, etc. Where I'm unclear about the music rule is with something like Sectionals. I've been enjoying being able to tune into Sectionals via Peacock and now I'm curious how that's going to work. Will they just have the music for the livestream and then mute everything for the 48 hours the events remain accessible? (I can't remember how long they stayed up last season.) For somebody like Starr Andrews who got early exposure for her Whip My Hair program, it seems unfair for young and emerging skaters to be restricted in this way. Maybe there could be some sort of compromise that addresses videos that go viral, but for the average young skater who is only going to be seen by a handful of people, this seems like an over reach that isn't going to really help anyone. Edited October 16 by Avaleigh 1 2 Link to comment
ML89 October 15 Share October 15 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Avaleigh said: So basically skaters have to choose a song from the Songview database. I have zero idea of how extensive this database is, but I suspect it isn't going to do anything to aid the issue with skaters otping for warhorse music or any other safe/not particularly imaginative choices. I could be way off base, maybe we'll all be pleasantly surprised, but right now my cynicism is getting the better of me. The other new thing, and please someone correct me if I'm wrong, is the issue of video sharing. Basically, all competitions no matter how minor have had professional videographers so that skaters can get copies of their performances. With the new rule, the videographers will only be able to share performances that contain no music. Considering how skating is struggling to gain new viewers, this seems like a counterproductive change to make when we take into account how many people used to share videos with family, friends, schools, etc. I read the long article about it and I have some familiarity with copyright and it still confused the hell out of me. So skating can't use songs but gymnastics can? Do these bands who sue realize that skaters skating to their music leads to more exposure? The band suing Knierem/Frasier was particularily hilarious because "House of the Rising Sun" was allegedly an old ballad/folk song/blues song when the Animals remade it and they were covering that version. So you got some damages, good job. Music copyright is so messed up anyway because its roots go back to sheet music then performance on top of that and it's all a confusing tangle of owners and copyright that still manages to shaft most artists. I love the idea of music with vocals but if I hear "Rain in Your Black Eyes" or that Muse song again? The problem is something gets popular (Moulin Rouge), then everyone does it. I will go on record as loving Donna Summer's version of "MacArthur Park" and I can't wait to see Liu's full program to it. I don't know if she had the song before it was used in Beetlejuice 2 and it's a happy coincidence. Edited October 15 by ML89 Edit 1 3 Link to comment
Maelstrom October 15 Share October 15 (edited) 10 hours ago, peachmangosteen said: if anyone wants figure skating to become somewhat popular again. 2 hours ago, Avaleigh said: Considering how skating is struggling to gain new viewers The number one thing that would help figure skating gain viewers in the US is if NBC loosens their damn stranglehold on it. It's impossible to find it on the schedule, and trying to force people to pay extra for Peacock is a surefire way to drive viewers further away. I only keep at it every year because I'm stubborn and dance is nowhere to be found on US tv, so skating is the next best thing in my book. It would also help if the USFed would promote the sport more in a general way rather than focusing on the latest Chosen Star! who's the best thing since sliced bread. If they'd cultivate a love of and appreciation for the sport, rather than just pushing the current quad king or ice princess, it would go a long way toward increasing the audience. One of the things that keeps me watching every year, despite the increasing difficulty of finding it on tv, is how cool it is to watch skaters grow and evolve over time, going from that young kid with a lot of promise to a big new talent to a seasoned veteran. It's pretty awesome. (And I hope it's clear that my frustrations aren't directed toward any posters here but instead at NBC and the USFed and the other morons in charge of things). 🙂 Edited October 16 by Maelstrom 1 3 Link to comment
Avaleigh October 16 Share October 16 (edited) 3 hours ago, Maelstrom said: The number one thing that would help figure skating gain viewers in the US is if NBC loosens their damn stranglehold on it. I agree with you that NBC does a terrible job. I thought that ABC was great when they were doing the Grand Prix events and nationals way back when. Also, it isn't just skating. I don't think NBC has done a great job covering gymnastics either. The problem though, as I see it, is that I can't necessarily see Disney/ESPN, CBS/Paramount, or Fox Sports doing a better job. No matter who has it, skating is so niche that it would probably be on a streaming service the way it currently is with Peacock. Sure, they'd do a highlight reel on their network with a bunch of talking and filler instead of showing more skaters, but I'm not convinced that the coverage would necessarily be better. That being said, I do agree that something needs to change and I 100% agree with your point that USFS needs to step up and has needed to do better promotion for the sport for years now. 3 hours ago, Maelstrom said: One of the things that keeps me watching every year, despite the increasing difficulty of finding it on tv, is how cool it is to watch skaters grow and evolve over time, going from that young kid with a lot of promise to a big new talent to a seasoned veteran. It's pretty awesome. I know there have been failed attempts in the past to have a competitive skating show, but I wonder if any sort of reality series could help? Not necessarily a competitive show, but an ice diaries sort of thing like how MTV (I think?) did years ago. Getting audiences exposed to some up and coming junior and senior skaters, so that they feel like they know them when they go out to compete could be interesting. Maybe look at skaters from three different clubs, one from each sectional, and get to know them as they navigate a season? If done well, it could be a fun way to introduce a new group of viewers to skating. I don't know how the ratings have been for shows like Johnny's or the dance one on IAM, but I'm assuming they weren't great, just like those failed competitive shows. OTOH Torvill and Dean's Dancing on Ice has been on for 14 seasons, so maybe it just depends on the quality of the show? Obviously social media is the main way to generate interest in young people and I think the current group of skaters are doing a great job of using it more. I just wonder if there aren't some other ways to heighten interest that aren't really being explored. Edited October 16 by Avaleigh 4 Link to comment
redpencil October 16 Share October 16 6 hours ago, Avaleigh said: So basically skaters have to choose a song from the Songview database. I have zero idea of how extensive this database is, but I suspect it isn't going to do anything to aid the issue with skaters opting for warhorse music or any other safe/not particularly imaginative choices. I could be way off base, maybe we'll all be pleasantly surprised, but right now my cynicism is getting the better of me. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure they can still use other music, they just have to secure their own rights. USFS just got blanket clearance for certain songs, so all but the top skaters are probably better if using something that falls under that blanket clearance rather than trying to clear it themselves. 2 hours ago, Avaleigh said: The problem though, as I see it, is that I can't necessarily see Disney/ESPN, CBS/Paramount, or Fox Sports doing a better job. No matter who has it, skating is so niche that it would probably be on a streaming service the way it currently is with Peacock. Sure, they'd do a highlight reel on their network with a bunch of talking and filler instead of showing more skaters, but I'm not convinced that the coverage would necessarily be better. I completely agree with this. It would be mostly on a streaming service no matter who had the rights in this day and age. Even major sports are increasingly on streaming. Frankly, NBC may be better equipped than some other companies based on having some non-sports cable channels they can use that don't already have to worry about other sports they have rights to. Disney/ABC/ESPN for example would absolutely put most of it on ESPN+. 1 1 Link to comment
peachmangosteen October 16 Share October 16 They don't air it more readily on TV because it's not popular so it doesn't generate them much money but because they never air it there's no way for people to become exposed to it so it won't get popular. 3 Link to comment
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