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I'm fine with a professional foil, but the moment they start hinting at anything romantic, I'll be done.  I'm not interested in a love triangle.  I really hope they are not going there.

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WendyCR72
WendyCR72

Let me introduce you to How I Met Your Mother...

Sara2009
Sara2009

Tbh, this drama is more interesting than the show has been in quite some time.

oberon55
oberon55

This is completely true. But at the same time I watch TV for escape. I watch all kinds of shows & have different expectations depending on the show. When I watch gritty shows like Breaking Bad or

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I'm fine with a professional foil, but the moment they start hinting at anything romantic, I'll be done.  I'm not interested in a love triangle.  I really hope they are not going there.

Uh but it's FUN ;) and this season is all about THE FUN.

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verdana

verdana

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Uh but it's FUN ;) and this season is all about THE FUN.

It is? Because last time I checked having marital troubles and letting yourself become obsessed about something to the point you could die and take family and friends with you as collateral damage really isn't that amusing.

 

For showrunners determined to bring back the fun they appear to be going about it in a rather convoluted way....

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Chado

Chado

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Every season has hundreds of guest stars, so this news doesn't seem out of the ordinary to me.

It's a recurring role.

 

I find it funny how quickly they shot down the idea of Toks being a love interest for Castle and yet Vikram and now this guy, is often described the same way that Vaughn was.

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TWP

TWP

PRJedi Mind Trick #438:  Love triangle leading to major character angst and excess viewer frustration/loss of viewers = "Fun".

 

A love triangle for Castle would be understandable, given that Beckett left him.  A love triangle for Beckett would be unjustifiable on any level...but given how tempted she (the superhero-wannabe, commitment-phobic) has been by other men, it's really possible that she would go there.

 

No doubt, the show would go down in flames.  I need to stock up on popcorn for that one.  My favorite hobby would be finding the cream of the crop superfans and seeing what lengths they would go to, to sacrifice their intellectual honesty for a TV show ;-).

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KaveDweller

KaveDweller

It's a recurring role.

I find it funny how quickly they shot down the idea of Toks being a love interest for Castle and yet Vikram and now this guy, is often described the same way that Vaughn was.

Other recurring parts were that Sully guy in S6 and the guy who pretended to be a witness seeing Castle camping during his disappearance. They were both in 2 episodes. So it doesn't necessarily mean much.

I actually really like the idea of having a public defender show up occasionally. TV cops always get annoyed when suspects ask for their lawyer, but it is part of the justice system.

That headline is pretty much the definition of trolling....

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verdana

verdana

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Love that headline from TV Guide, they make TV Line look like a bunch of trolling amateurs. 

 

I hope he's not going to keep that horrible beard.

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TWP

TWP

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That headline is pretty much the definition of trolling....

 

A work of art in trolling if you ask me ;-).  I think we need a new thread...call it, the Caskett breakup trolling hall of fame.  This article would be Exhibit 1 ;-).

 

But you know, the showrunners would never break the couple up....so now that they're broken up, the showrunners would never introduce a love interest for Beckett...orrrr...maybe they know the show is done so they've decided, "let's throw stuff at it and see what sticks ;-)".  It's their little sandbox to play in, with we viewers as the poor bugs that get squashed when they crawl all over it ;-).

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TWP

Along with the "media trolling hall of fame" thread I mentioned in the media thread, I think we need to start a "manufactured drama and angst drinking game" thread and maybe even a "Castle (the show) is stupid -- let's make fun of it" thread.  It wouldn't lead to a better show, just more opportunities to laugh about it.

 

...because at this point, laughter is all we have ;-).

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verdana

verdana

I don't trust showrunners to keep any of their "promises" to the fans, it's all a load of bullshit, they'll do anything they need to in order to keep fans invested and watching who cares if they're frothing at the mouth when they do it?  Heh.

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Along with the "media trolling hall of fame" thread I mentioned in the media thread, I think we need to start a "manufactured drama and angst drinking game" thread and maybe even a "Castle (the show) is stupid -- let's make fun of it" thread.  It wouldn't lead to a better show, just more opportunities to laugh about it.

 

...because at this point, laughter is all we have ;-).

 

True, but if you implement this suggestion, alcohol poisoning may be all you have.  ;)

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WendyCR72

WendyCR72

No one is in trouble, but I am making this "official" so as to be seen and read.

 

I do realize that you all are basically joking about this, and it is a coping mechanism for the way the show has fallen into the crapper, more or less, but I am asking politely to please stop talking about Beckett in terms having having a mental illness or about people with guns and mental illness.

 

Like I said, I get the intent and the tone, and it's understandable. But mental illness is also a sensitive subject, and it just seems a bit wrong to be tossing it around so lackadaisically, and I think it may be better to stop using potentially sensitive topics as fodder for jokes about fictional characters.

 

This would truly be appreciated. Thank you.

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Cyranetta

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Do they need workplace drama for Beckett and personal drama too? Isn't there quite enough going without adding yet more of it? They say the show is more a comedy than a drama but you could have fooled me the way they're going about it.  I don't know...everything these guys say they're doing has me more and more confused about where their heads are at this season.

That was more or less my reaction. Is the theme for the season "the Great Beckett Pile-on"? There have been such criticisms of the character's Superwoman description, now she's to be a super drama-juggler? Maybe they think that the blur of the motion will obscure the plot holes. Of course they haven't added a health crisis or financial meltdown yet (or the returned-from-dead relative). Who knows how many dramatic balls in the air Beckett will be asked to juggle before S8 grinds to its conclusion? (Oops. Just realized that the new character's being seen as a Beckett love interest does give a rather...unusual...aspect to "balls in the air.)

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TWP

TWP

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Honestly, I think Castle should give up women (and robots) and get a dog ;-).  Just a thought, plus, also, too, I love dogs.  Showrunners could borrow @MarloweWheaton.

 

Then Castle could be the Turner, rather than the Hooch.

 

"A man and his dog, -- hopefully -- fighting crime".  Has a nice ring, yes?

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Sara2009

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I get that people are frustrated with this season, but why are they automatically jumping to the worst case scenario? Maybe this guy will turn out to be a love interest, but why jump to that conclusion immediately? Isn't the current story line stressful enough without being paranoid about things with zero evidence to back them up?

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TWP

It occurred to me...this new potential love interest....will be about further. protecting. Castle. from Big-Bad.  ...about getting him out of the picture so he won't be killed. 

 

If so, this show will have taken self-destruction to Hall of Fame level....

 

But I know why they would do it.  Yes,  go down in  flames -- but with an epic-sized asterisk next to your name.

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TWP

In better news, NF will be on Jimmy Kimmel Live  on Wednesday , Oct 14.  Wonder if Jimmy will bring up the current bad blood about the show?

 

I'm sure he will.  Nathan appeared on Kimmel last year around November (just Googled), so this is a yearly event, not just him being rolled out for damage control.  But no doubt, this time the showrunners have briefed Kimmel and Fillion (same network) on the Jedi talking points.  You ask the straw man questions so you can shoot them down.  It will be fluff, nonsense and BS, but it may soothe a fan or two.

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madmaverick

madmaverick

Paranoia.  Hysteria.  Jumping to conclusions.  Judging before watching.  Going negative on everything.  Ah, what fandom does best.  At least the loudest parts of fandom.  Maybe it's this age of immediacy and social media, fans always need something to feed off of, and it's usually rumours coming from God knows where or just completely made up, and soundbites and spoilers without context, all usually churning into a negative vortex unfortunately.  And once people get sucked into that, most don't get out.  Pretty sure those people will be hating on tonight's episode no matter what is served up.  

 

Maybe there's something to be said for binge watching so at least people don't have to be subjected to all the complaining in between.  And it must be tough for writers who want to write a slower paced, more suspenseful story because many fans don't seem to want to give stories time once their first impressions are formed, not even time for course correction if need be.  Many fans today demand to know the ending of the story in chapter one.  And one thing's clear, most people react very badly to change. I'm far from defending everything about this storyline, but a gentle reminder that we're only going into episode 4 of a season.  

 

I get that people don't like that Caskett have broken up, myself included, but if this were another season under Marlowe, would they be doing anything terribly interesting with Caskett, or would we be getting just another uninspired and mediocre episode that did not elicit much feeling either way?  We had a few seasons of that already with just a handful of episodes that fulfilled potential.

 

Foil or not, let me predict that the new recurring character will be calling Beckett 'impressive' or 'extraordinary' sooner or later. Maybe he'll be inspiring Capt. Beckett to go to law school and offering her another top job. ;)

 

I do wonder how much they managed to save with the budget by cutting Penny out if they can afford all these recurring characters.  That said, we don't know how often they will recur.

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verdana

verdana

I get that people are frustrated with this season, but why are they automatically jumping to the worst case scenario? 

Because they're Castle fans and it's best to jump to the worst case scenario immediately. 

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FlickerToAFlame

FlickerToAFlame

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Sorry about the bad joke, Wendy.

I know we aren't supposed to comment on other posters' opinions (which they are all entitled to of course), but the repetitive negativity is just getting to me and I was trying to lighten the mood. I mean, there's skepticism about the quality of the show and there's setting it up to fail (and feeling the need to say so 10 times a day) before anything has actually happened.

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madmaverick

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Because they're Castle fans and it's best to jump to the worst case scenario immediately.

 

I'm not sure it's limited to Castle fans though they may win the prize for being the 'best' in this category. ;)  This age of feedback and immediate knee jerk reactions through the internet really cuts both ways.  Maybe writers crave some feedback from the audience but how helpful can it be when it all becomes this incredibly loud noise?  Even if there are any salient points, it gets lost in the melee.  And it's the most negative ones that tend to like making the same points 10 times a day.  I think I'd go crazy if I had to read that and then go write a show.  

 

I mean, there's skepticism about the quality of the show and there's setting it up to fail (and feeling the need to say so 10 times a day) before anything has actually happened.

 

So much this.  Be a critic, by all means, but be a fair one.  And I think if one goes into watching any show with the mindset that it's bad or it's definitely going to fail and disappoint, then that makes it doubly hard to watch it with a clear vision and an open mind. 

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MaryM47

MaryM47

I will watch until I find it too insulting to my intelligence, or they cross over certain personal lines I have for this show

 

Agreed.

 

And what if the new guy is actually a love interest for Castle ;)

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ZingerCaskett

ZingerCaskett

I'm very happy they added this new recurring character .   One of the things I wished they did in previous seasons was have Beckett go toe to toe with slimy lawyers.    I think there was one in Season One....but that's it.    Has Beckett ever had to deal with a murderer going free because they made a "deal" and so forth?   It was her worst nightmare in regards to finding her mother's killer-- that he'd make some deal and only do a couple of years....which is how many years Bracken did before he got shanked in solitary. 

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femmefan1946

femmefan1946

So if we hate the Justice!Beckett 's breaking up with Castle for no good reason.

And nobody wants a pregnancy story.

How about cancer?

A nice meaty dramatic storyline and a happy ending after appropriate treatment... with the possibility of recurrences whenever the ratings need a boost.

Also SK was looking rather thin and drawn in PhDead, which made me wonder if she was in good health personally.

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KaveDweller

KaveDweller

So if we hate the Justice!Beckett 's breaking up with Castle for no good reason.

And nobody wants a pregnancy story.

How about cancer?

A nice meaty dramatic storyline and a happy ending after appropriate treatment... with the possibility of recurrences whenever the ratings need a boost.

Also SK was looking rather thin and drawn in PhDead, which made me wonder if she was in good health personally.

 

I feel like cancer storylines are overdone on TV these days.

 

I remember them talking about deliberately making Beckett look unwell at the beginning of S4, I wonder if they are doing it now to show her unhealthy obsession? Or maybe I've just read too many fanfics that talk about Beckett forgetting to eat and sleep away from Castle?

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moodyblue

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Or maybe I've just read too many fanfics that talk about Beckett forgetting to eat and sleep away from Castle?

 

lol...If you believe fanfic, it is miraculous that Beckett was able to survive with the lack of food and sleep she had before Castle entered her life.

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Badsamaritan

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I took a stroll thru the Castle page on FB and wow, I think I saw 1 positive comment from last night's episode. Most folks seem to feel this separation makes no sense and the showrunners are insulting fans' intelligence with it.

Right there with them.

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TWP

Castle 8.05 "The Nose" - promo ABC (legendada) [HD]

 

I know Beckett has got the hots for Castle, what does that have to do with their current situation he finds himself in? I know I keep saying it but that's not the problem here, showing that Beckett still thinks he's hot isn't addressing anything. 

 

I think the idea is to soothe the viewers a little without giving the whole (icky) storyline up, to make sure that we know that Castle knows that she still loves him, so that we won't think he's going to give up and go elsewhere.  It's about continuing to give us (maybe false) hope.

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cappuccino

cappuccino

Castle 8.05 "The Nose" - promo ABC (legendada) [HD]

I know Beckett has got the hots for Castle, what does that have to do with their current situation he finds himself in? I know I keep saying it but that's not the problem here, showing that Beckett still thinks he's hot isn't addressing anything.

You know what sticks out the most to me? THE WIG! God that thing is distracting. I don't get why Castle is doing it. He's gonna look stupid and like a fool once he realizes why Beckett dumped him and I just don't get how he can't see what she is doing. That he can't put two and two together. I'm surprised little miss genius Alexis hasn't caught that one yet.

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Cyranetta

Cyranetta

One thing that occurred to me while watching 8.04 is the twist that changes things for the February reintroduction might be that Beckett is arrested and jailed, framed for something to do with the heroin. After her friends/family, what is most important to her --her integrity as a police officer? It would be one way for her enemies to "hit her where it hurts", and it would make it easy to film Beckett scenes for several episodes (and maybe give her some "badass Beckett" prison moments), since it would be a single location. And it would certainly give the rest of the cast lots to do. It does have the disadvantage of making "light' eposides hard to shoe-horn in, but maybe one could be devoted to a wacky escape.

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turnitwayup

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They could do something like that, or have her do something that gets her demoted back down to detective. But then I don't see how they could do the COTW thing.

 

It would give Ryan and Espo more screen time with them dealing with the random COTW and working to free Beckett. Or they can take turns with 12th's COTW and Castle PI case so that they're not working on the same COTW and freeing Beckett. At this point I rather tptb give more screen time to Ryan and Espo than Alexis since the boys interactions has been an improvement over the last few seasons.

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