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After reading all the reviews (yes, I can't help myself), I think I have a pretty good idea what is targeting Beckett. And I think it ~may be a decent story arc for her and bring up some things I realized now we don't know about. (how's that for vague? lol)

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Let me introduce you to How I Met Your Mother...

Sara2009
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Tbh, this drama is more interesting than the show has been in quite some time.

oberon55
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This is completely true. But at the same time I watch TV for escape. I watch all kinds of shows & have different expectations depending on the show. When I watch gritty shows like Breaking Bad or

Castle75

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After reading all the reviews (yes, I can't help myself), I think I have a pretty good idea what is targeting Beckett. And I think it ~may be a decent story arc for her and bring up some things I realized now we don't know about. (how's that for vague? lol)

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verdana

verdana

Those 802 pics make you wonder if they kept the breakup or ditched it. It must be after everyone thinks everything is back to normal and then blindsided at the very end.

Hmmm could be but I suspect the break up is still on. I presume the kiss is because he's found her safe and well again which makes sense (and I'm pleased that for once appear to get a kiss that isn't in silhouette or something equally silly because their reunions lately have been pretty meh) but then right at the end she drops the bombshell on him.
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Well, I don't want to reveal too much for those who haven't read reviews, but I think it has to do with her time in DC working for the FBI/Attorney General and the cases she was a part of then. Which is a part of her professional life we really didn't get much about on-screen other than the season 6 2-part premiere.  

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I think another mysterious person will come out of the shadows at the very end, probably literally knowing this show heh, and drop a bombshell on Beckett, who will in turn then decide to drop a bombshell on Castle.  Ooh la la, they thought the threat was gone but turns out there's a Big Bad behind the big bad.  Now on what other TV shows have we seen that before? ;)

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Regarding those photos, I have to say she's looking rather casually dressed for a police captain.

As long as we're not going back to her time with Rogan!

I have no idea what you're talking about...that period has been erased from the memory banks.

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Regarding those photos, I have to say she's looking rather casually dressed for a police captain.

 

That's her "out in the field" look. She'll wear skirts (like the BTS pic Susan posted from 803) when she's stuck at the precinct all day. lol 

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I think another mysterious person will come out of the shadows at the very end, probably literally knowing this show heh, and drop a bombshell on Beckett, who will in turn then decide to drop a bombshell on Castle.  Ooh la la, they thought the threat was gone but turns out there's a Big Bad behind the big bad.  Now on what other TV shows have we seen that before? ;)

The Man Behind the Man at TV Tropes 

 

When a character previously positioned as a Big Bad is revealed in fact to be either the flunky, puppet, or spokesman for a higher authority.

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In many genres, the Man Behind the Man often has more sinister and apocalyptic goals than his predecessor. For example, while a puppet king or greedy corporation may want to take over the world, the real Big Bad may want to destroy the world, or even erase all of existence.

At least Castle has experience of saving the world already so he'll be fine when we discover that Bracken is merely the flunky to the Man Behind the Man. SIGH

 

Marlowe loved these kind of stories and I fear the new writers will be equally keen to explore similar avenues of melodrama.

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Did Jessica Fletcher ever "save the world" or were those quainter days?  They seem to be giving Hayley a Bond-ish flavour so I wouldn't be surprised if they went with a Bond-ish super villain.  But why would someone so all powerful and almighty care about people like Beckett and Castle, no offence?

 

Now that TV tropes has mentioned it, it may be time for an evil greedy corporation on Castle since those seem to be en vogue right now.  Ugh.  

 

That's her "out in the field" look. She'll wear skirts (like the BTS pic Susan posted from 803) when she's stuck at the precinct all day. lol

 

Surprised that Luke resisted the black turtleneck of doom for Beckett since you just know bad stuff happens.  I'm sure Luke will amply feature Stana's legs at the precinct.  At least let's have some sexual tension by Castle giving them a good ogle since he won't be appreciating them up close post break up.  

 

Whatever my feelings about any storylines, I'm going to be assessing if the new showrunners do better with melodrama and dialogue and characterisation and general tightness of scenes in an episode.

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Well, I don't want to reveal too much for those who haven't read reviews, but I think it has to do with her time in DC working for the FBI/Attorney General and the cases she was a part of then. Which is a part of her professional life we really didn't get much about on-screen other than the season 6 2-part premiere.  

Agree S55. It looks like Beckett's anonymous tip to save that woman from the mob in 6x3 "Need to Know" will come back to haunt her and it will cause some bad consequences. I wonder if Marlowe is still consulting on the show because it looks like once again Beckett is choosing loyalty to her job over Castle (what Bracken tells Castle during prison visit). At this point in the relationship, no reason to keep anything from Castle.  Even if Beckett is convinced a  "breakup" is needed to keep him safe, there is no guarantee that Castle would not be killed by some member of a criminal group. Those kind of evil organizations don't operate that way. Hawley must be a fan of 'The Blacklist'(secret society,FBI,CIA, cabal).

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But why would someone so all powerful and almighty care about people like Beckett and Castle, no offence?

 

Crazy shippers of Beckett and Espo?

 

Even if Beckett is convinced a  "breakup" is needed to keep him safe, there is no guarantee that Castle would not be killed by some evil group. They don't operate that way. Hawley must be a fan of 'The Blacklist'(secret society,FBI,CIA, cabal).

 

Ever since I heard that Hayley is a "security specialist" and that Castle's safety is supposedly in question, I've wondered if there's a connection.  Maybe Beckett asks her to help keep Castle safe, and that's why she sticks around? I hope it doesn't play out like that behind Castle's back, but the logic of how a break up protects me has me wondering if there's more going on.

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Whatever my feelings about any storylines, I'm going to be assessing if the new showrunners do better with melodrama and dialogue and characterisation and general tightness of scenes in an episode.

 

Not to mention brightness of scenes....

Castle: New season 8 photos reveal big spoiler at EW

 

Well, we know Beckett survives the season premiere!

 

This big spoiler reveal had me giggling, Beckett is alive! Noooo! Really? Who'd have guessed that! It's fair to say that surely most fans weren't that worried their beloved badass Becks was going to meet her maker in 8.01.

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My early prediction: If they have Beckett actually lie I think when they revisit Castle's disappearance they will show him having been more actively involved & that he kept something from Beckett. That way it will kind of balance out & they will both be at fault. Sort of a sad rehash of season 4.

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Mega Buzz: Is a New Office Romance Brewing on Castle? at TV Guide. 

 

A love triangle on Castle, don't worry they're not talking Caskett and Hayley it's worse than that lol.

 

That's because somebody else has their eye on Haley: Esposito (Jon Huertas)! "She is pretty cute, and I think Esposito has noticed that for sure," Huertas tells TVGuide.com. "He's admiring the scenery right now."Does that mean that Esposito might have some awkward interoffice moments with on-again-off-again love interest Lanie (Tamala Jones)? "Lanie hasn't necessarily noticed, but ... a triangle is a huge possibility and something I think we're definitely going to see this season," Huertas says.

Although executive producer Terence Paul Winter wouldn't commit to pairing Haley and Espo -- "we're open to see where the natural progression of these characters go, but there is an obvious flirtation between the two that's come up in a couple episodes," he says -- moving Esposito away from the relationship with Lanie seems like it's in the cards.

Dear God in heaven please let this be is aimless talk from an actor that comes to nothing, I thought Esplaine was bad enough but the idea of them serving up a Hayley/Espo/Lanie love triangle gives me an instant sick headache.  With any luck this will go the same way as Jon's wishes for some back story on a Beckett/Espo hook up. 

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VinceW

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My early prediction: If they have Beckett actually lie I think when they revisit Castle's disappearance they will show him having been more actively involved & that he kept something from Beckett. That way it will kind of balance out & they will both be at fault. Sort of a sad rehash of season 4.

Ever since I heard that Hayley is a "security specialist" and that Castle's safety is supposedly in question, I've wondered if there's a connection.  Maybe Beckett asks her to help keep Castle safe, and that's why she sticks around? I hope it doesn't play out like that behind Castle's back, but the logic of how a break up protects him has me wondering if there's more going on.

Exactly. That is why I posted earlier that no matter the reason for the "breakup", the premise will be weak. In the past, the writers have not handled the spy stories well at all especially what was thrown together in "Sleeper". Hayley must have some past experience working against the evil cabal types.  I just hope the writers are not using secrets between Caskett in order to cause relationship angst during the entire season which is so Marlowe.

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I just hope the writers are not using secrets between Caskett in order to cause relationship angst during the season which is so Marlowe.

 

What else can they do but have one or both keeping secrets from each other of some kind? It's the easiest way to create a problem between them which is why Marlowe loved using it in the past. If they were both open and honest with each other (as a happily married couple should be) from the start they'd be no reason to be separated or for much angst to occur and the story founders. Since I presume they want to prolong this for weeks if not months, I can't see it working out any other way unfortunately.  

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KaveDweller

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If they were both open and honest with each other (as a happily married couple should be) from the start they'd be no reason to be separated or for much angst to occur and the story founders. Since I presume they want to prolong this for weeks if not months, I can't see it working out any other way unfortunately.  

 

They have both been open and honest with each other since getting married, so if they are going the lie/secrets route they'll need to come up with a good explanation for why that would suddenly change. If they are connecting this to something that happened when Beckett was working for the AG's office, maybe it is some classified data that she's not allowed to tell Castle or that will put him in danger if he knows it.  Kind of like how no one can know whatever Castle did to save the world during his missing time? That would at least make sense for why there's a secret, but it doesn't explain a breakup.

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They have both been open and honest with each other since getting married, so if they are going the lie/secrets route they'll need to come up with a good explanation for why that would suddenly change. If they are connecting this to something that happened when Beckett was working for the AG's office, maybe it is some classified data that she's not allowed to tell Castle or that will put him in danger if he knows it.  Kind of like how no one can know whatever Castle did to save the world during his missing time? That would at least make sense for why there's a secret, but it doesn't explain a breakup.

So True. They have gotten past the lack of communication over issues that have come up since the wedding unless season 7 was just a farce. If the reason for the secret is classified information, she just needs to tell him "it's classified". That is not a reason to "breakup" unless she went rogue at some point working for the feds which might explain Bracken's odd comments to Castle in prison. None of which explains the need to "breakup".  Again, I think the show runners are trying to get too clever with the love story at the risk of losing a lot of viewers with this mystery story to start the season.

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verdana

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It always keeps comes back to the simple fact they're married, things should be different. Marriage means you're making a commitment to share your life with someone and certainly anything serious that occurs which will affect you both good or bad. They could get away with the miscommunication, secrets and lies when they were apart (or there were insecurities whilst they were dating) but now they're married - and what's more happily married - I can't think of anything (aside from using the highly sensitive information excuse) that would convince me there is a valid reason why they stop wanting to share things and worse have to separate. Even if it is a "blast from the past" about the time she was with the FBI then I'd expect Beckett to at least be honest about that too.

Another preview from Spoiler TV.

Castle - XY - Advance Preview

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It always keeps comes back to the simple fact they're married, things should be different. Marriage means you're making a commitment to share your life with someone and certainly anything serious that occurs which will affect you both good or bad. They could get away with the miscommunication, secrets and lies when they were apart (or there were insecurities whilst they were dating) but now they're married - and what's more happily married - I can't think of anything (aside from using the highly sensitive information excuse) that would convince me there is a valid reason why they stop wanting to share things and worse have to separate. Even if it is a "blast from the past" about the time she was with the FBI then I'd expect Beckett to at least be honest about that too.

This is the whole problem about the entire premise. There's no realistic way to explain why they cannot do it together. Beckett is making a choice (in my opinion the wrong one) and it will depend on the individual viewer whether they can accept it (or ignore it) enough to the point where it wont be their underlining issue for (potentially) an entire season.

 

A potential storyline isn't the reality of how each episode is constructed after all. How much of an influence does them being broken up effect each scene together (one would assume a lot)? Will fans accept this substitute when last season they were happily married? Will there simply be enough Caskett scenes given the interviews and impressions we are receiving about Captain Beckett and Castle PI? All of these questions are going to determine whether this show survives season 8.

 

The TVLine article (about the breakup) gave off the impression that TPTB didn't care about the fallout, that they were willing to take the risk. You can admire it on some level, but the arrogance or obliviousness to the reality (when ratings drop, social media turns ugly) seems like a recipe for disaster to me.

 

They've grown an audience for 7 seasons who now demand a certain level of Caskett, who expect a certain amount of them on their screens...if you take that away from them, you're potentially playing with fire.

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ZingerCaskett

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What TV line article about the breakup?    Link please.      I see a lot of clickbait out there, but there is nothing definite that indicates it was Caskett that TVLine was talking about.    TV Line sure did a good job keeping us talking over the summer huh?    Since the Season 7 ending wasn't a cliffie, they stirred the pot and got us all into a handwringing mess wondering and speculating if it was Caskett they were talking about.    They did their job.    

 

Kate keeping Castle out of the loop for his safety is certainly plausible.     She did Top Secret cases when she was in DC and the ONE time Rick came to town and tried to help he almost died because of it.    Damn straight she'd keep him out of the loop to keep him safe, or from offing himself trying to help her while she tries to figure out what the hell is going on.      

 

Here's a better idea,   how about we wait and watch what happens?    I'm very much looking forward to seeing what Terence and Alexi have come up with for our show.    If we watch it and it's crap,  I'm sure we'll do a bang up job letting them know, right?      

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Here's a better idea,   how about we wait and watch what happens?    I'm very much looking forward to seeing what Terence and Alexi have come up with for our show.    If we watch it and it's crap,  I'm sure we'll do a bang up job letting them know, right?      

If people wish (or don't wish) to have a conversation about the show prior to watching the new episodes, then that is their prerogative, no?

 

If you wish to wait and see , then feel free :). I personally feel there has been enough information and interviews to make early impressions on what we know so far. The conversation will evolve with episodes being aired of course, until then. Here we are!

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verdana

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What TV line article about the breakup? Link please.

Here you go.

 

 

Here's a better idea,   how about we wait and watch what happens?

Doesn't that kind of defeat the object of a "spoilers and speculation" thread?

 

Kate keeping Castle out of the loop for his safety is certainly plausible.     She did Top Secret cases when she was in DC and the ONE time Rick came to town and tried to help he almost died because of it.    Damn straight she'd keep him out of the loop to keep him safe, or from offing himself trying to help her while she tries to figure out what the hell is going on.

Kate's on a hiding to nothing if she thinks attempting to keep Castle "out of the loop" will prove a success, she must know her husband's character after 7 years. It's already been ably demonstrated that he doesn't keep his nose out of things, unless he's completely lost his ability to "read" her Castle's probably going to get suspicious about her behaviour and start snooping around. She'd be better off talking to him, if she doesn't he's more than likely going to land himself in big trouble (without her) and she risks losing her husband in any case. 

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VinceW

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Joy from Gossip and Gab seems to be moonlighting (ironic)  over here VinceW.

 

Castle Season 8 Premiere Preview: Should You Watch or Not? at TV Overmind. 

verdana. Thanks for that link. I think G+G might have grown tired of her perspective on the show, but she has always been very concise and objective with her comments about Castle the series. She is one of the better TV writers/critics out there. IMO. When I read those new comments on G+G about the spoilers, I had to check the author myself because the tone was not at all Joy given her comments during the summer about the direction of the show. In fact, in her last blog on G+G, she suggested for season 8 that the viewers put the episodes to DVR and just skip thru to the Caskett scenes.  I still have a copy of her 'Watershed' review and analysis which was excellent. She is convinced that BTS issues have really hurt the show the last two seasons(Insert actual 'Moonlighting' video here).

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VinceW. Yeah Joy is usually pretty reliable and I've enjoyed reading some of her analysis on certain episodes even if I don't always agree with everything she says. I too noted her change in attitude since Watershed. I look forward to reading her proper review when it's out to see what she thought in more detail. I must admit I caved and skimmed over her preview and I wonder if her comment about the first ten minutes of the show relates to Alexis and her introduction to the audience as a young super sleuth? Heh. 

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If people wish (or don't wish) to have a conversation about the show prior to watching the new episodes, then that is their prerogative, no?

 

If you wish to wait and see , then feel free :). I personally feel there has been enough information and interviews to make early impressions on what we know so far. The conversation will evolve with episodes being aired of course, until then. Here we are!

I don't have a problem with "What if" speculation.    Or talking about "the breakup" in a "if it happens" way.    Because the TV line article about the breakup that  keeps mentioning is clickbait that doesn't specifically mention Castle.    Yet it's being talked about as if it's real and it's Caskett.     Unless there's an article that confirms it's Caskett  that I missed somewhere.   

 

The pictures, interviews and promo's I've seen to date don't scream breakup to me, either.    They scream that the show made some changes and it's going to be interesting to see when it actually airs on Monday.       I have seen BTS and tweets where Nathan and Stana are wearing their character's wedding rings.   You don't wear your character's wedding rings if your character's have broken up or if you are "faking" breaking up to keep the assassin's at bay.   

 

 What I have seen to date with the promos, pics, and interviews is that Terrance and Alexi are doing their part to have the show evolve.   If the show didn't evolve then Rick and Kate would not be together, then Rick would still be a scruffy, rich asshole who lives on Page 6,  Kate would not have a date every Saturday night, Alexis would still be in high school, Martha would still be a former broadway diva figuring out her life,  Kevin would still be single,  Roy would still be alive.   Lol, I see that Javi and Lanie haven't progressed at all.      

 

I'm seeing posts  that talk about the breakup as if it's true and not just clickbait from TVLine about a TV couple that may or may NOT be Caskett.      I'm happy to go along if we're clear that we're speculating,  and not talking as if a breakup is a done deal and it's Terry and Alexi that don't give a shit about us fans. 

 

Keep calm, it's almost Monday!

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Here you go.

 

 

Doesn't that kind of defeat the object of a "spoilers and speculation" thread?

 

Kate's on a hiding to nothing if she thinks attempting to keep Castle "out of the loop" will prove a success, she must know her husband's character after 7 years. It's already been ably demonstrated that he doesn't keep his nose out of things, unless he's completely lost his ability to "read" her Castle's probably going to get suspicious about her behaviour and start snooping around. She'd be better off talking to him, if she doesn't he's more than likely going to land himself in big trouble (without her) and she risks losing her husband in any case. 

Yes, this is a spoilers and speculating page, but some of us are not speculating....we're speaking as if a breakup a done deal.   And it isn't !

 

You are right that Kate should know that Castle would eventually read her tells and get himself involved.    This can only be a delay tactic IF this is what she's going to do.    It's also in Kate's bailiwick that she likes to absorb the facts first before she acts.    As Caskett has evolved she's doing the analyzing quicker and quicker,but Kate is very much a "look at the evidence" , then act kind of girl.    I get the sense from the info given to date that this is a fast moving crisis that hits Kate on her first day as Captain.   Since the crime scene is related to her time in DC, and the last time Rick got involved in something from DC he almost died, then it IS in Kate's character to hold off Castle so he doesn't get himself killed while she figures out 1. What's going on and 2.  When is is safe for Rick to join the investigation. 

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I don't have a problem with "What if" speculation.    Or talking about "the breakup" in a "if it happens" way.    Because the TV line article about the breakup that  keeps mentioning is clickbait that doesn't specifically mention Castle.    Yet it's being talked about as if it's real and it's Caskett.     Unless there's an article that confirms it's Caskett  that I missed somewhere.   

 

The pictures, interviews and promo's I've seen to date don't scream breakup to me, either.    They scream that the show made some changes and it's going to be interesting to see when it actually airs on Monday.       I have seen BTS and tweets where Nathan and Stana are wearing their character's wedding rings.   You don't wear your character's wedding rings if your character's have broken up or if you are "faking" breaking up to keep the assassin's at bay.   

 

 What I have seen to date with the promos, pics, and interviews is that Terrance and Alexi are doing their part to have the show evolve.   If the show didn't evolve then Rick and Kate would not be together, then Rick would still be a scruffy, rich asshole who lives on Page 6,  Kate would not have a date every Saturday night, Alexis would still be in high school, Martha would still be a former broadway diva figuring out her life,  Kevin would still be single,  Roy would still be alive.   Lol, I see that Javi and Lanie haven't progressed at all.      

 

I'm seeing posts  that talk about the breakup as if it's true and not just clickbait from TVLine about a TV couple that may or may NOT be Caskett.      I'm happy to go along if we're clear that we're speculating,  and not talking as if a breakup is a done deal and it's Terry and Alexi that don't give a shit about us fans. 

 

Keep calm, it's almost Monday!

We've been given info from Hal that there is a breakup.

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I don't for one second doubt the writers ability to have Beckett or Castle lie or keep secrets. After all they have had both of them doing it for years. What they don't seem capable of writing for any length of time is them trusting & believing in each other enough to face things together. The old "I'm doing this for your own good" trope is getting pretty stale right about now. Of coarse the flip side of that is that most of the forward progress in their relationship has been a direct result of them hurting each other (Always, Watershed, etc). Going by past history an argument could be made that the harder Beckett stomps on Castle's heart the better off they will be.

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VinceW. Yeah Joy is usually pretty reliable and I've enjoyed reading some of her analysis on certain episodes even if I don't always agree with everything she says...............I wonder if her comment about the first ten minutes of the show relates to Alexis and her introduction to the audience as a young super sleuth? Heh. 

Alexis working with her father and theorizing over cases is her hot button. She uses the 'creepy' word to describe it. I think the Castle PI/Alexis connection by itself could tank the viewership numbers. Given the low ratings over the PI arc last season, to add-in Alexis shows real arrogance from the new producers or just real stupidity over what keeps viewers watching.

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Not directly Castle related, but did you see this news?

http://tvline.com/2015/09/15/hart-to-hart-reboot-gay-couple-nbc/

 

Everything's getting rebooted these days! ;)  I never saw the original series, but I understand Castle's been compared to it and that show sure sounds similar.  Seems like these shows, along with Moonlighting, can never escape the "free spirited" and "by the book" partnership TV trope. Well, what works...   Anyone know if they would they be the first gay crime-solving couple?  Castle missed the boat by not pairing up Ryan and Esposito lol.

 

Struck by this remark by Mindy Kaling in an interview of hers:

I’ll say this again and I’ve said it before:  I personally think that if a couple gets together and it’s boring, it means the characters are bad.

I imagine Castle would be a very different show if she were the writer!  Castle would look different too if we got back our old costume designer who jumped ship to her show..

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VinceW. Lets hope that the Alexis moments don't unbalance the episode too much. She's a character best enjoyed (for me) in small doses.

 

Alexis working with her father and theorizing over cases is her hot button.

Sounds like it's a lot of folks hot button right now lol based on comments I've seen on twitter, tumblr etc.

 

ABC's 'Castle' preview: 7 things to know about 'XY,' the Season 8 premiere at Julie Boudwin, NOLA.com

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Alexis working with her father and theorizing over cases is her hot button. She uses the 'creepy' word to describe it. I think the Castle PI/Alexis connection by itself could tank the viewership numbers. Given the low ratings over the PI arc last season, to add-in Alexis shows real arrogance from the new producers or just real stupidity over what keeps viewers watching.

 

I'm not sure any of us can make assumptions about exactly what most viewers do and don't want, just state our own opinions without generalizing. While I know many here dislike Alexis, for instance, the 'real life' Castle fans I know generally enjoy her and her relationship with Castle. And the people I'm referring to are intelligent women between the ages of 32 and 55, not adolescent 'fanboys' who think Mollie Quinn is hot :) Similarly, some love Beckett and dislike Castle, others love Castle and dislike Beckett, some adore the couple more now than ever before, others wish they'd never gotten together in the first place and watch primarily for the humor and the mysteries...I try to just voice my own thoughts rather than speaking with any authority on how 'most' viewers feel or how that might ultimately affect ratings (which inevitably decrease for a show on this long anyway), since I've found there's actually a huge diversity of opinion out there.  

 

Personally, I'm not too psyched at the prospect of turning Castle and Alexis into an ABC version of Keith and Veronica Mars, but I'll reserve judgment until I see how it plays out on screen!   

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ABC's 'Castle' preview: 7 things to know about 'XY,' the Season 8 premiere at Julie Boudwin, NOLA.com

 

Not directly Castle related, but did you see this news?
http://tvline.com/20...gay-couple-nbc/

 

I loved Hart to Hart, although this reboot is technically Hart to Hartman lol but what is about "free spirited" characters on TV these days? Meh. 
 
I thought Jennifer and Jonathan got more action between the sheets than Castle and Beckett ever have lol, with this new one who is going to play their butler Max? Or are they going to make it Maxine?

 

Thanks for the link madmaverick to the article from Mindy.

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I'm not sure any of us can make assumptions about exactly what most viewers do and don't want, just state our own opinions without generalizing. While I know many here dislike Alexis, for instance, the 'real life' Castle fans I know generally enjoy her and her relationship with Castle. And the people I'm referring to are intelligent women between the ages of 32 and 55, not adolescent 'fanboys' who think Mollie Quinn is hot :) Similarly, some love Beckett and dislike Castle, others love Castle and dislike Beckett, some adore the couple more now than ever before, others wish they'd never gotten together in the first place and watch primarily for the humor and the mysteries...I try to just voice my own thoughts rather than speaking with any authority on how 'most' viewers feel or how that might ultimately affect ratings (which inevitably decrease for a show on this long anyway), since I've found there's actually a huge diversity of opinion out there.  

 

Personally, I'm not too psyched at the prospect of turning Castle and Alexis into an ABC version of Keith and Veronica Mars, but I'll reserve judgment until I see how it plays out on screen!   

I don't speak for 'most' viewers, but rather I read the actual ratings. The show lost 2.5 million (30%) viewers in the middle of last season. Successful shows don't lose viewers in the middle of the season due to a show aging. Such condescending comments from a 'real life' Castle fan.

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Joy from Gossip and Gab seems to be moonlighting over here VinceW.

 

Castle Season 8 Premiere Preview: Should You Watch or Not? at TV Overmind. 

I understand that some posters here are fans of this reviewer.  I don't know her and don't read her regularly, but I personally am not impressed by this kind of preview/review which comes off as being bound by and responding to very specific likes and dislikes, both her own and perceived ones from loud voices in the fandom whom may not even be representative of viewers at large but get a bulk of the attention.  Sure, every reviewer has their subjective tastes, but if you can't take a step back to evaluate the storytelling and characters from a wider perspective and different perspectives, it's not a really rigorous, insightful review.   Honestly, none of the Castle "reviewers" impress.  But none of the professional critics bother with Castle.

 

I'm not sure any of us can make assumptions about exactly what most viewers do and don't want, just state our own opinions without generalizing.

 

 

I agree.  I predict that ratings are going to decline anyway in accordance with the general pattern of such long running shows, but no doubt you're going to have a lot of people attributing that to this storyline or that character, when in truth, there may be correlation but causation can't really be proven and there are a million reasons why ratings rise or fall any given week.  I don't find ratings to be a measure of quality either.

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I don't speak for 'most' viewers, but rather I read the actual ratings. The show lost 2.5 million (30%) viewers in the middle of last season. Successful shows don't lose viewers in the middle of the season due to a show aging. Such condescending comments from a 'real life' Castle fan.

 

Ratings talk bores me so I don't pay a lot of attention to ratings because like I said, I don't find them to be a measure of quality.  But just for the sake of this discussion, I looked at last season's ratings at wiki (which I don't think factor in DVD recordings etc.).  The general pattern was this: the premiere had over 10m viewers in line with the S6 finale and then there was a steady decline subsequently; slight pick up with the wedding episode followed by another steady decline all the way through the PI arc and into the 1st part of the 2 parter; slight pickup for the 2nd part of the 2 parter and then pretty much holds steady around 8m viewers till the end of the season.  Some people, generally those who didn't like the PI arc, like to attribute the ratings decline to that storyline.  But I could just as well argue based on the data that a lot of people left after the premiere because there was no wedding and no real answers to Castle's out of the blue kidnapping and disappearance.  And personally, I found Amann's premiere flat and neither compelling nor entertaining on both suspense and character levels.  Some people came back for the wedding episode but the episodes after weren't able to hold their interest, or they had no intention of sticking with the show anyway after 623/701. Point is, there are any number of reasons why people might decide to tune in or not, some of which might even have nothing to do with Castle.  We have no way of knowing so I would caution against generalisation or coming to conclusions especially if no one here is a ratings professional.  I personally care far more about the quality of an episode than its ratings, although yes, naturally I understand that a show has to get decent ratings to go on.  There were people who disliked the PI arc and the Bracken arc respectively, and yet both are making a comeback this season regardless of declining ratings for both.  The writers must see some merit to those storylines and I'm happy to wait and see if they are right about that, no matter what ratings the show gets.

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