S18.E19: Chicago Reunion, Part 1

[TwirlyGirly]

Tensions are high as the entire Chicago cast returns one year later to debate and discuss shocking and emotional moments from their season.

[Elizzikra]

3 hours ago, TwirlyGirly said:

Tensions are high as the entire Chicago cast returns one year later to debate and discuss shocking and emotional moments from their season.

Is the reunion usually filmed a year after the original season??? I don’t remember what I did last week…

[Retired at last]

No, the reunion is usually 90 days after the cameras are gone, but since this show was filmed so far back, I am really glad that this will be more recent. But, do we really need more than one part? I can see Michelle still yelling about being lied to, while the others have moved on (I hope). 

On the other hand, I can see Madison and David faking to still be together, regardless of their real situation, just to prove their love.

[EXEAL]

On 3/8/2025 at 10:09 AM, Retired at last said:

On the other hand, I can see Madison and David faking to still be together, regardless of their real situation, just to prove their love.

I thought it was reported through different sources in the reality world that they were no longer together. But here they are, all lovey-dovey.

[Crashcourse]

I thought it was interesting that Allen had met someone online the day before the "experiment" but decided to go ahead with it.  Now, he's dating that person.  

Juan and Karla are friends who occasionally have coffee together, but he's made it clear that he's dating someone, but she was kind of vague about it.  Ikechi basically said none of your business.  No surprise there.   

Camille and Tom are boring and I still don't see any chemistry there. 

I'm not interested enough to watch anymore.  I'm just happy for Allen, Juan and Karla.

 

[Bees52]

On 3/8/2025 at 11:09 AM, Retired at last said:

No, the reunion is usually 90 days after the cameras are gone, but since this show was filmed so far back, I am really glad that this will be more recent. But, do we really need more than one part? I can see Michelle still yelling about being lied to, while the others have moved on (I hope). 

On the other hand, I can see Madison and David faking to still be together, regardless of their real situation, just to prove their love.

Only because Kevin wants to hear  e v e r y   d e t a i l   of when and how those two got together. Looking for that absolute truth that they were involved physically before that text. I think at this point, he's the only one who really cares. I'll still watch next week to see what David will say, though.

I'm also watching the Secrets Revealed special, aka another update of some past marrieds who are single again.  They're up to over 70 couples now. I did not realize there's that many people who have signed up to marry a stranger on television. 😦

 

[LennieBriscoe]

Awkward as all get-out.

And that was before I turned it off so as not to hear any syllable whatsoever from David. 

[Chatty Cake]

I was kind of happy that Thomas and Camille stayed together, got a new place and have traveled. Still, their segment was long and a little boring. 
They showed Madison acting annoyed at Michelle for bringing her into the David drama. It looked to be filmed at the retreat. I wish they would stop giving Michelle a reason to be smug. She was an insufferable asshole the entire time she pretended to stay in the marriage. 
David is keeping it 100. Whatever that means. 
Ikechi seems emotionless. He did act slightly like a human during their segment. Emem still seems emotionally charged but had no choice but to back down.

I fell asleep so still have a bit more of the reunion to finish.

[Jeanne222]

That was a   l o n g   hour..or two!

[kristen111]

What a boring reunion.  Why doesn’t Madison just sit there nude already?  Butanna.  The ONLY thing I like at this reunion was Camille’s hair.  She looked very pretty with her hair straight and combed back, without he curly things all over her head.  Ikeshi remains a doushe.  Lots of fake laughter all around.

Edited March 12 by kristen111

[seacliffsal]

What I got from this episode was that everyone watched themselves on the season and decided to go into full-on damage control.  I liked that Kevin pushed on several questions and will watch next week to see how David answers the push for the 'real' timeline.

A lot of double-speak from Madison, especially in her segment with just Allen.  She continues the 'we bonded because we were both miserable' angle about her relationship with Daivd, but it is really a cruel statement to make as it implies that Allen made her feel miserable.  Allen stated that his current girlfriend was selected by a matchmaker, so I think he really was sincere in wanting to get married if he had gone to a matchmaker for help.

I just can't with Camille's ongoing talk about Thomas' swag when she herself dresses as she does (no criticism about her outfits, it's more that they don't look 'swaggy' in the least IMO).

Emem finally ditched the extra-long eyelashes and looked so much more natural.  But, this was my least favorite of all of her outfits this season.  Oh, and Ikechi, you can just drop your future wife being a 'Michelle Obama' as you would have to be like President Obama to have a Michelle Obama and you, sir, are not a President Obama.  Oh, and he is still playing games with the producers when he was asked if he was dating someone and he was all 'I'm keeping that private.'  I don't know why, because I think nobody really cares.  But, I was glad that Kevin pointed out that he had applied previously to this season.

[After7Only]

2 hours ago, seacliffsal said:

liked that Kevin pushed on several questions and will watch next week to see how David answers the push for the 'real' timeline.

David was doing the same squirmy vagueness thing he did when lying to Michelle and the experts when KF asked about the timeline.  I don’t expect him to tell the truth.   But it’s pretty clear things were physical before the retreat.  

Still don’t understand Madison’s hostility towards Michelle.  Her conversation with Allen was civil and she genuinely (for her) apologized.   If she kept that same energy towards Michelle, it would have been a much better look.  Also interesting there is no footage on Michelle bad mouthing Madison.  Madison commenting on Michelle’s age was an especially bad look.   

[atomic]

I thought Camille's hair looked terrible straightened and swooped over to the side like that. So fried and unhealthy looking compared to her beautiful, bouncy curls. I am glad she and Thomas still seem happy together a year later. I think Camille is probably a lot different than the person we saw on screen constantly nagging about swag. In the sit-down with the other women, they all agreed what great advice she gives and how she really cares for everybody in the group. So that made me glad for Thomas to know she's probably a kind and nurturing partner to him as well. Thomas does need to work on his baby handling skills before they have kids because pressing his elbow down on the baby doll's skull was crazy lol.

Michelle looked amazing and showed maturity in just accepting Madison's apology for what it was even though it was obvious BS. Madison is just a ridiculous person begrudging Michelle for airing out the drama on camera when they all signed up for this and that includes showing the good, bad, and ugly of everything involved in this process. I called it in the episode thread where Madison and Allen had the "transactional" fight that Madison used it as an excuse to run into David's arms afterwards, and sure enough that's exactly what happened. David looks better now with his hair pulled back, but I believe his story about buying an investment property about as much as I believe his story about buying a bar and renovating it into a condo.

Ikechi says he was never attracted to Emem, but his actions and body language most definitely said otherwise in those honeymoon episodes. He was all over her and saying things like he couldn't wait to get her alone. He should either take responsibility for leading her on or say the real reason he stopped being attracted to her. At least Emem is not holding onto the visceral anger she had in the last few episodes when dealing with him anymore. 

I skimmed through the Secrets Revealed episode that aired afterward. Not really interested in any of the people they brought back with the exception of Cortney. Cortney seems really happy in her life with her new family and looks great. I thought she carried herself with a lot of class in how she tried to be respectful towards her new husband and also in how she spoke about her ex, Jason. It also made me like her more hearing her speak up about the gross way Jamie Otis exploits her children on social media. Couldn't agree more with how disturbing it is how Jamie and Doug seem to have absolutely no regard for their children's privacy or any sort of boundaries when it comes to using them for online monetization. 

[Retired at last]

I also fell asleep during the first show. I did wake up for the second one, but that was nothing exciting. I didn't know a lot of the people on that panel. Gina still has her mouth open all the time, even though she said she became aware of that habit after watching their season and feedback. She also has not figured out how to wear a dress without her boobs falling out. I wish Clint had been on. I forgot how cute he was. I guess the most interesting was Miguel. He tried hard not to say too much negative about Lindy, but he did admit that she was bossy and sometimes challenging to be with and she changed her story often to his surprise. And, no, they don't see each other.

I will have to watch the rest of the first show later, although from the comments, I saw enough. I thought Michelle looked beautiful and remains physically, much prettier than Madison. (IMO, of course). While I am glad that this show was filmed a whole year after their season, it was more than past time to let the whole lying/cheating thing go. I am glad that both Allen and Juan seem to have found better partners for them. I still don't believe anything about Em and Brandon (although I didn't see Brandon, but Kevin said he was there.) If they had such a magical love, why aren't they married? Still waiting for one or both to get a divorce?

Tom and Camille remain boring, and I am glad they called her on her playing games by wanting to pretend they weren't together. I wonder if Tom got in trouble for just coming out and saying it before she could be her "cutesy Camille" self.

It looked like Karla had a lot to say, but I don't know if she did or not because I was asleep. I will watch today. I thought it was interesting that they seem to have maintained a friendship and see each other for coffee, etc., even though Karla had just wanted to make a clean break. I wonder what Juan's gf is like.

David did look a lot better, but he really is immature. He is still all swoopy in love with Madison, and while she said she loved him, she still seems so hard to me. I don't see that lasting. I am guessing that he moved into her place. But, I think I heard them say they were buying a house?

I really don't know why Ick even showed up, unless he just wanted to do his walk-off routine. I want to see his response to having previously tried to get on the show. Was it just to push his "book?"

From the very small number of responses, it seems that this season/show has run its course. Even though many of us say every year that we are done, maybe this time we are?

Edited March 12 by Retired at last

[Rightside]

Why was the evening gown competition  "reunion show" now the "where are they now show?"

I am surprised Madison and David are still together with their "faux wedding rings" and matching green satin fabric.

17 minutes ago, Retired at last said:

From the very small number of responses, it seems that this season/show has run its course. Even though many of us say every year that we are done, maybe this time we are?

Well since the show is moving from Lifetime to Peacock, many of us have no choice than to be done!

This was the first season that I only watched the weddings and the final episodes. Usually I would fast forward the episodes but didn't have the energy this season to do that!

 

 

[Shauna]

1 hour ago, Retired at last said:

 

David did look a lot better, but he really is immature. He is still all swoopy in love with Madison, and while she said she loved him, she still seems so hard to me. I don't see that lasting. I am guessing that he moved into her place. But, I think I heard them say they were buying a house?

 

David moved into Madison's place and he bought a rental property.  

[Kendra143]

I don’t understand the “Michelle is so much more beautiful than Madison and so gracious to accept her apology yada yada” line. Her personality is so ugly it shows on her face. I can’t imagine any normal man wanting to date her much less marry her. 

[Crashcourse]

I wonder if someone told Emem that those false eyelashes weren't a good look, or she saw herself on tv and went 😱.  She looks much better without them.

[Rightside]

4 hours ago, atomic said:

I skimmed through the Secrets Revealed episode that aired afterward. Not really interested in any of the people they brought back with the exception of Cortney. Cortney seems really happy in her life with her new family and looks great. 

I thought she carried herself with a lot of class in how she tried to be respectful towards her new husband and also in how she spoke about her ex, Jason. It also made me like her more hearing her speak up about the gross way Jamie Otis exploits her children on social media. Couldn't agree more with how disturbing it is how Jamie and Doug seem to have absolutely no regard for their children's privacy or any sort of boundaries when it comes to using them for online monetization. 

Did Courtney really say " the gross way Jamie Otis exploits her children on social media" on the Secrets episode?

[LakeGal]

David & Madison are both proven cheaters.  Which one of them is going to cheat on the other first?  I know it is going to happen.  

[atomic]

2 hours ago, Rightside said:

Did Courtney really say " the gross way Jamie Otis exploits her children on social media" on the Secrets episode?

No, she said it very tactfully that she doesn't agree with children being used as content the way Jamie chooses to do. Describing it as gross and exploitative was my further commentary on the matter.

[JenE4]

David and Madison were dressed for the prom with their green satin numbers. I can’t believe Madison is still acting bitchy toward Michelle for daring to question her integrity…when everything Michelle was questioning turned out to be absolutely true! It’s mind-boggling. Surprisingly she was much more gracious toward Allen. But I guess that’s because she said that Allen is nice to her and doesn’t badmouth her. Madison seems to think Michelle never had any right to be upset in the first place, even though Michelle has said she’s angry about being lied to, not that they are together. David seems to have said that it all started on the honeymoon. Maybe he just meant HiS feelings, since Madison claims her feelings started 3 weeks in. I think David is going to admit next week that the physical affair started pretty quickly. He seems like he’s dying to express his love and is over pretending about it. But Madison seems like she’s the one holding the line on the truth. 

Emem says this year with Brandon has had its ups and downs and has been hard but the love is there and she can do anything with his love, etc. Seems to me this man locked her down with an engagement and they’re planning a wedding without even knowing each other. And maybe if they were just dating the “downs” would’ve been enough to realize they’re not compatible—but she’s too locked in with this guy. He proposed after two dates and now he wants Pastor Cal to marry them on television right this minute without any of their families or loved ones there?!?! Girl. What the hell?!? This new man is making Ikeche seem rational in comparison—and that is not an easy task!

I’m happy for Thomas and Camille. They seem to have built a good marriage together. Allen seems to be doing well, too. Michelle seems about the same emotionally, but made some improvements physically. Juan and Karla I guess we’ll hear more about next week. But it seems that they keep in touch more frequently than bi-quarterly.
 

[Retired at last]

The fact that this Brandon guy wants to have Pastor Cal marry them on TV should show Emem exactly what he wants and why he is marrying her. She is going to be twice divorced in the same year.

[Elizzikra]

Madison and David acted like they were in middle school and dressed like they were going to the prom. I don't buy their constant canoodling; it seemed performative. 

I still love Allan. I think he is mature and gracious. He looked good dressed up for the reunion. I hope that things work out for him with the new GF. 

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I thought it was interesting that Allen had met someone online the day before the "experiment" but decided to go ahead with it.  Now, he's dating that person.  

I think he met her and they went on a first date sometime before the wedding; I'm guessing even before he knew he'd been chosen for the show. He said she called the day before the wedding to say she was ready for a second date and he told her he was getting married.

Kudos to the ladies who wore dresses they didn't have to pull up or down (or both) to sit comfortably and avoid a wardrobe malfunction. Once again, I think Michelle wins best in show. She looked amazing. I maintain, though, that evening gowns for this event are ridiculous. I wish they would go with more of the cocktail dresses or even smart casual for these things.

I like Thomas and Camille together. I think they are sort of what this show is about - two people who have enough in common and enough of an attraction to build a relationship on, even though I don't think either would have picked the other out of a crowded party as a potential mate. I think they are a little boring because... they are normal?

I also thought that Karla looked maybe a little less frail than she looked all season? A little older in the face, too, in a good way. I can't quite put my finger on what it is, but something seemed different.

I was surprised that the conversation between Emem and Ike was as civil as it was. I'm tired of watching them fight, though. I still think Ike is a dick who thinks way too highly of himself. As for Emem and Brandon... I guess time will tell? I suppose they could be like Camille and Thomas but I don't have a good feeling for them.

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David moved into Madison's place and he bought a rental property.  

I have a feeling that his "move in" process was to just spend more and more nights at Madison's and to pick up his clean laundry from mom every couple of days, until eventually all of his stuff was at Madison's. Who knows? Maybe he brought the keg thing too?

Also, why was I not surprised that Madison is the "queen of shots?"

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What a boring reunion.

@kristen111 - hope you enjoyed some heart healthy snacks and continue to be on the mend though!

[Alexander Pope]

It kind of ruins the effect of an evening gown to have your entire naked leg sticking out of it when you sit! I'm talking to you, Madison, and also you a little bit, Camille! 

[princelina]

12 hours ago, After7Only said:

Still don’t understand Madison’s hostility towards Michelle.  

I assume she blames her for "outing" them!

12 hours ago, atomic said:

Ikechi says he was never attracted to Emem, but his actions and body language most definitely said otherwise in those honeymoon episodes. He was all over her and saying things like he couldn't wait to get her alone. He should either take responsibility for leading her on or say the real reason he stopped being attracted to her.

Ikechi is a known liar and gaslighter - David is more likely to tell the truth than him!

11 hours ago, Retired at last said:

I really don't know why Ick even showed up, unless he just wanted to do his walk-off routine. I want to see his response to having previously tried to get on the show. Was it just to push his "book?"

He loves his walk-off routine!  He probably does want to push his "book" - his lack of self-awareness is amazing.

[Elizzikra]

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I really don't know why Ick even showed up

I think he subscribes to the "all publicity is good publicity" philosophy...

[Rightside]

20 hours ago, atomic said:

No, she said it very tactfully that she doesn't agree with children being used as content the way Jamie chooses to do. Describing it as gross and exploitative was my further commentary on the matter.

Oh, ok. I was reading this that Courtney actually said Jamie's name.

I don't have any energy to watch that show!

[atomic]

43 minutes ago, Rightside said:

Oh, ok. I was reading this that Courtney actually said Jamie's name.

I don't have any energy to watch that show!

It was a comment that Cortney made talking specifically about Jamie. She shared that they're no longer friends and that she has a problem with the way Jamie uses her children for social media content. She was really nervous to say it and the host reassured her not to feel bad and that other MAFS alums have told her the same thing about Jamie.

[Rightside]

2 hours ago, atomic said:

It was a comment that Cortney made talking specifically about Jamie. She shared that they're no longer friends and that she has a problem with the way Jamie uses her children for social media content. She was really nervous to say it and the host reassured her not to feel bad and that other MAFS alums have told her the same thing about Jamie.

Oh wow!  Thanks for the info.  I remember years ago, there was no love lost between Courtney and Jamie.  I do think it is a bit strange that Jamie named her kid Hendrix, which is Courtney's last name.

Maybe now I do need to go watch the show.

[kristen111]

23 hours ago, Elizzikra said:

Madison and David acted like they were in middle school and dressed like they were going to the prom. I don't buy their constant canoodling; it seemed performative. 

I still love Allan. I think he is mature and gracious. He looked good dressed up for the reunion. I hope that things work out for him with the new GF. 

I think he met her and they went on a first date sometime before the wedding; I'm guessing even before he knew he'd been chosen for the show. He said she called the day before the wedding to say she was ready for a second date and he told her he was getting married.

Kudos to the ladies who wore dresses they didn't have to pull up or down (or both) to sit comfortably and avoid a wardrobe malfunction. Once again, I think Michelle wins best in show. She looked amazing. I maintain, though, that evening gowns for this event are ridiculous. I wish they would go with more of the cocktail dresses or even smart casual for these things.

I like Thomas and Camille together. I think they are sort of what this show is about - two people who have enough in common and enough of an attraction to build a relationship on, even though I don't think either would have picked the other out of a crowded party as a potential mate. I think they are a little boring because... they are normal?

I also thought that Karla looked maybe a little less frail than she looked all season? A little older in the face, too, in a good way. I can't quite put my finger on what it is, but something seemed different.

I was surprised that the conversation between Emem and Ike was as civil as it was. I'm tired of watching them fight, though. I still think Ike is a dick who thinks way too highly of himself. As for Emem and Brandon... I guess time will tell? I suppose they could be like Camille and Thomas but I don't have a good feeling for them.

I have a feeling that his "move in" process was to just spend more and more nights at Madison's and to pick up his clean laundry from mom every couple of days, until eventually all of his stuff was at Madison's. Who knows? Maybe he brought the keg thing too?

Also, why was I not surprised that Madison is the "queen of shots?"

@kristen111 - hope you enjoyed some heart healthy snacks and continue to be on the mend though!

Thanks so much.  Doing good. ❤️

[JayDub1987]

Just getting around to watching this shit show. Quick thoughts: 

David cannot tie a tie. You're a grown fucking man, dude. Watch a YouTube video or go upstairs and ask your dad to show you how. 

Oh, he doesn't live there anymore. He managed to get Madison to start keeping him up...OH! And he got her to buy a rental property. No way the former owner of a failed bar could afford Chicago real estate. 

Michelle....DAYUM! She is looking GOOD! 

Shockingly, Madison and David have convinced themselves that they're the victims in this whole thing. Fucking morons. 

[Gator Stud]

1 hour ago, JayDub1987 said:

No way the former owner of a failed bar could afford Chicago real estate. 

Chicago real estate is cheap.

On 3/12/2025 at 3:15 AM, Chatty Cake said:

I fell asleep so still have a bit more of the reunion to finish.

I feel asleep several times, it was so boring.  I didnt have it in me to watch it till the end.

On 3/12/2025 at 8:27 AM, After7Only said:

I don’t expect him to tell the truth.   But it’s pretty clear things were physical before the retreat.  

Why would they tell the truth?  So everybody can call them a scumbag for the millionth time?  No. 

[Gator Stud]

On 3/12/2025 at 8:27 AM, After7Only said:

Still don’t understand Madison’s hostility towards Michelle.

She thinks Michelle is full of shit because she didnt like David at all, but pretends that she is wounded to look good.  The experts are giving Michelle a pass on her shitty behavior towards David.  Michelle deserved it.  Allen didnt deserve it.

On 3/12/2025 at 3:36 PM, LakeGal said:

David & Madison are both proven cheaters.

When did they cheat?  When was it proven.  Flirting and texting have been proven.

[Lindz]

On 3/12/2025 at 6:13 AM, seacliffsal said:

Ikechi, you can just drop your future wife being a 'Michelle Obama' as you would have to be like President Obama to have a Michelle Obama and you, sir, are not a President Obama.  Oh, and he is still playing games with the producers when he was asked if he was dating someone and he was all 'I'm keeping that private.'  I don't know why, because I think nobody really cares.  But, I was glad that Kevin pointed out that he had applied previously to this season.

WTF does he mean Michelle Obama?!!! He doesn't know that lady!!! No self-respecting woman would tolerate his BS!!! WHY did he apply & continue applying for MAFS?!! WTF did he think it was?!!! WHAT was he gunna do, get married then "experience" his wife to find out if he even likes her?!! 😕 WHY'D he put her hand on him to then reject her?!!! NOTHINGBURGER SEGMENT, AS EXPECTED!!! 🙄

[Chatty Cake]

1 hour ago, Lindz said:

WTF does he mean Michelle Obama?!!! He doesn't know that lady!!! No self-respecting woman would tolerate his BS!!! WHY did he apply & continue applying for MAFS?!! WTF did he think it was?!!! WHAT was he gunna do, get married then "experience" his wife to find out if he even likes her?!! 😕 WHY'D he put her hand on him to then reject her?!!! NOTHINGBURGER SEGMENT, AS EXPECTED!!! 🙄

He’s an idiot. He couldn’t handle Emem’s success. Remember how jealous he was of her place and her business? He says he wants a successful black woman but he got one and acted like a jealous whiny bitch.

Michelle lost all that weight (Ozempic?) and her skin looks better yet she kept that awful nose ring! She still has stank face though because she is a miserable person. The reunion is a year later and she is still complaining about being lied to by a man that she treated like crap. I wish David had the balls to tell her that he didn’t care enough about her to be honest. She was condescending and nasty and still has that look on her face. No wonder she’s still single. She learned nothing from watching what a horrible person she was. 

Edited March 14 by Chatty Cake

[Lindz]

Seems this is the dressiest reunion on the guys side, I don't recall so many suits! It's nice they didn't let the ladies be the only dressy ones. Glad there's not boobs everywhere, finally! Seems most went with legs instead. Except for Karla & her pasties & tat showing through her mesh top. 😵 I'll take legs over boobs. D&M looked super bummy in that silly ring buying footage Juan shot. That was surprising Madison could be that rough looking. 😂 I wonder why Karla reversed & is talking to Madison again. Knew she'd change with Juan, he'd be useful.

[Chatty Cake]

1 hour ago, Lindz said:

Seems this is the dressiest reunion on the guys side, I don't recall so many suits! It's nice they didn't let the ladies be the only dressy ones. Glad there's not boobs everywhere, finally! Seems most went with legs instead. Except for Karla & her pasties & tat showing through her mesh top. 😵 I'll take legs over boobs. D&M looked super bummy in that silly ring buying footage Juan shot. That was surprising Madison could be that rough looking. 😂 I wonder why Karla reversed & is talking to Madison again. Knew she'd change with Juan, he'd be useful.

I think the ladies didn’t ice out !Madison because they know Michelle is a bitch and though Madison was wrong she has a better personality. I noticed nobody said they were close to Michelle. 
I thought all the dresses were terrible. Michelle’s was probably the best but she’s such an asshole, nobody cares what she wears.

[atomic]

I don't think Michelle went on Ozempic. She was never heavy before and couldn't have lost more than 10 pounds. During the show she would tell David she wasn't a gym person at all and I think she might have just started working out more. You can see here that she's got muscular legs and not just a stick figure body.

[Retired at last]

When did Karla get boobs? They look about the same size as Michelle's and not the flat little boy chest she had all season.

[Lurk]

On 3/7/2025 at 9:57 PM, Elizzikra said:

Is the reunion usually filmed a year after the original season??? I don’t remember what I did last week…

I think this season's reunion was filmed so much later was because of what happened with the previous season. That turned into such a sh!tshow during editing and filming the After Parties and Reunion. They probably delayed some of this season's wrap up filming to try to get the best spin on the cheating. 
 

[Chatty Cake]

3 hours ago, atomic said:

I don't think Michelle went on Ozempic. She was never heavy before and couldn't have lost more than 10 pounds. During the show she would tell David she wasn't a gym person at all and I think she might have just started working out more. You can see here that she's got muscular legs and not just a stick figure body.

A lot of the lazy people use Ozempers. Many Real Housewives have admitted to taking it. They weren’t fat by any means but want to be skinny on camera. I don’t know if Michelle has done it but my guess would be yes. I think she treated herself to some Botox too. All that and still miserable and complaining about being lied to, a year ago by a guy she treated like shit. 

[Elizzikra]

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A lot of the lazy people use Ozempers.

Wow.

Ozempic is expensive, hard to get and hard on the body. Most insurers won't pay for it unless you have a diabetes diagnosis. 

As someone who has taken it for both diabetes and being overweight, I will say that I am not lazy. I was able to lose weight on the medication when I could not despite my lazy ass dieting and exercising. I struggled with some pretty unpleasant side effects but continued to use it because it was really effective in bringing my blood sugars under control.

I don't appreciate the judgment.

[Chatty Cake]

4 minutes ago, Elizzikra said:

Wow.

Ozempic is expensive, hard to get and hard on the body. Most insurers won't pay for it unless you have a diabetes diagnosis. 

As someone who has taken it for both diabetes and being overweight, I will say that I am not lazy. I was able to lose weight on the medication when I could not despite my lazy ass dieting and exercising. I struggled with some pretty unpleasant side effects but continued to use it because it was really effective in bringing my blood sugars under control.

I don't appreciate the judgment.

I’m not judging people who really need the medication for diabetes or obesity.

It’s the people that want to lose 25 pounds and buy it. There was a shortage for awhile because so many people were begging their doctors to let them buy it.

Again, I’m not sure Michelle did that but she admitted to not liking working out and likes to eat out all the time at high end restaurants.

[atomic]

People who don't particularly like working out can still make a lifestyle change in that area if they choose to. Maybe Michelle doesn't like hitting the gym in the traditional sense, but found a pilates or group dance class that she really likes and got into. Again, this isn't a case where someone lost a drastic amount of weight in a short amount of time, so pointing to Ozempic as the most likely scenario just seems strange to me -- especially when it comes to a regular person without Housewives type money in their bank account.

[Elizzikra]

32 minutes ago, Chatty Cake said:

I’m not judging people who really need the medication for diabetes or obesity.

It’s the people that want to lose 25 pounds and buy it. There was a shortage for awhile because so many people were begging their doctors to let them buy it.

Again, I’m not sure Michelle did that but she admitted to not liking working out and likes to eat out all the time at high end restaurants.

The number of people who didn’t have a diabetes diagnosis and had to pay for it out of pocket AND could afford it was probably too Small to have caused the shortage. Some of it was almost certainly the drug companies themselves making the drug more desireable by making it scarce. It also turned out to be much more effective in controlling diabetes, hence its popularity.

Maybe you heard of some people taking it only to lose weight when you determined they didn’t need to, but that’s really between them and their doctors. Even a small amount of weight loss can have positive effects on health. I object to the characterization of people who use Ozampic and similar medications as “lazy.” You don’t know what other people have tried and what may or may not have worked for them.

Also agree that there is really no evidence that Michelle has taken Ozampic. I don’t think she really looks like she has lost a dramatic amount of weight. I do think the clothes she is wearing on the reunion show (and in After Party episodes) are more flattering than those she wore on the show. I also think her hair and makeup have been great.

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On 3/11/2025 at 10:41 PM, Bees52 said:

Only because Kevin wants to hear  e v e r y   d e t a i l   of when and how those two got together. Looking for that absolute truth that they were involved physically before that text. I think at this point, he's the only one who really cares. I'll still watch next week to see what David will say, though.

I'm also watching the Secrets Revealed special, aka another update of some past marrieds who are single again.  They're up to over 70 couples now. I did not realize there's that many people who have signed up to marry a stranger on television. 😦

 

I listen to multiple podcasts and about the show. And read people's thoughts about the show. I've never heard or read a single person not want to know when things started between David and Madison. Its also literally one of two or three talking points worth talking about. Its basically that and trying to get Ike to explain why he wasn't attracted to Em but put her hand on his junk at the honeymoon.

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When did they cheat?  When was it proven.  Flirting and texting have been proven.

Many people consider that cheating. Both Madison and David admitted to having "caught feelings" for each other while still married to other people. I consider that cheating and I think the rest of the cast does as well. You don't have to actually have sex with someone else to be cheating.

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Its also literally one of two or three talking points worth talking about.

True. Thomas and Camille gave us nothing to work with and all they have on Juan and Karla is the very tired "you forgot me" on the honeymoon.

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On 3/12/2025 at 11:27 AM, After7Only said:

David was doing the same squirmy vagueness thing he did when lying to Michelle and the experts when KF asked about the timeline.  I don’t expect him to tell the truth.   But it’s pretty clear things were physical before the retreat.  

Still don’t understand Madison’s hostility towards Michelle.  Her conversation with Allen was civil and she genuinely (for her) apologized.   If she kept that same energy towards Michelle, it would have been a much better look.  Also interesting there is no footage on Michelle bad mouthing Madison.  Madison commenting on Michelle’s age was an especially bad look.   

Because Michelle successful flipped the villain role to Madison. On Madison's side, she can't figure out why Michelle gives a damn since she hated David.

Madison did plenty herself to make her a villain but her vitriol is basically always at Madison. I don't think they were ever friends. David or no David. She was also out of that marriage since the honeymoon .

Also, Madison continually has to take verbal lashing for her behavior (for good reason) but ever since the secret came out no one wants to call out Michelle for her despicable actions towards David the whole time they were "together"

Everyone was in the wrong here except for Alan. He was the only one legitimately trying. He's just wrong for missing the signs or ignoring the signs we all saw.

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Karla's red lace dress reminds me of corsets and lingerie that I sold when I worked at Frederick's of Hollywood. It's a little too revealing. 

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