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S03.E04: I Will Bury You Under the Sand

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DEL901

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Bob did it to himself when he took a shot at Rob after the challenge.  Especially with Rob helping to banish Tony.  He looked physically sick afterwards.  

But props to Bob for laughing at the end, saying it was just a game.  

17 minutes ago, Michichick said:

What the actual fuck? I really feel like Traitors shouldn’t be allowed to lead the vote against other Traitors. When Dan came for Phaedra last season, everyone was pissed at Dan. Why do people act like Rob is a hero now?

Oh never mind, just saw the end. Hahahahaha!

I think it was because Dan was kind of in the hot seat and people took h8m going after her as a desperate attempt to distract from himself,

And who’d have thunk that Wes would be the one to point out that there was one way to be sure that someone was a traitor  

 

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Robyn is clueless.

Wes is clueless.

Carolyn hasn't liked any plan that was pitched to her so far.

The editors of this show are so fucking dramatic. The way Rob turned to Queen Bob after he was like "this is all a distraction!", it took me out. That whole roundtable was dramatic as fuck.

Dylan is so fucking weak! He wasn't gonna say anything. He was just going to sit there. I'm yelling at my TV like "Dylan! Shoot your shot! Get your bazooka out and aim it at Bob! SAY SOMETHING!!!!!"

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1 hour ago, Michichick said:

What the actual fuck? I really feel like Traitors shouldn’t be allowed to lead the vote against other Traitors. When Dan came for Phaedra last season, everyone was pissed at Dan. Why do people act like Rob is a hero now?

1 hour ago, DEL901 said:

I think it was because Dan was kind of in the hot seat and people took h8m going after her as a desperate attempt to distract from himself,

It was purely because Dan already in the hot seat and he dragged Phaedra down for nothing. Everyone thought Dan was a traitor already. By that point, there was absolutely nothing Dan could have done to shift the heat off of him and onto someone else.

I'll give Dan and Rob credit for one thing, they gave us a hell of a roundtable. They gave us pure cinema.

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30 Helens

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I think Rob may have overplayed this one. Detective Redbeard has already established the possible Means for Rob’s fantastical traitor-sniffing skills. (He’s also a traitor!) Now, if he remembers what Rob told him about Bob casting suspicion on the late arrivals, he will also have Motive. Put that together, and it shouldn’t be too hard to convince others to get Rob out. I think Danielle and Carolyn, for two, would happily fling themselves on that particular bandwagon.

Of course, there’s also the hero-worship factor that somehow always shields Rob like a moldy old Survivor tarp. He already has the lesser Efron in his thrall, much like the nerdy kid from last season’s Deal or No Deal Island. And the way the episode ended, with Redbeard’s spilled tea causing suspicion in Boston harbor (cliffhanger!), makes me think everyone will shrug and walk away when the scene resumes. Because production loves to build drama out of nothing. And in the end, sheep gotta sheep.

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DEL901

DEL901

1 hour ago, 30 Helens said:

I think Rob may have overplayed this one. Detective Redbeard has already established the possible Means for Rob’s fantastical traitor-sniffing skills. (He’s also a traitor!) Now, if he remembers what Rob told him about Bob casting suspicion on the late arrivals, he will also have Motive. Put that together, and it shouldn’t be too hard to convince others to get Rob out. I think Danielle and Carolyn, for two, would happily fling themselves on that particular bandwagon.

Of course, there’s also the hero-worship factor that somehow always shields Rob like a moldy old Survivor tarp. He already has the lesser Efron in his thrall, much like the nerdy kid from last season’s Deal or No Deal Island. And the way the episode ended, with Redbeard’s spilled tea causing suspicion in Boston harbor (cliffhanger!), makes me think everyone will shrug and walk away when the scene resumes. Because production loves to build drama out of nothing. And in the end, sheep gotta sheep.

If Wes does get some traction with his suggestion that Rob could only be so sure Bob is a traitor was if he was one, and if that leaks to Rob, then Rob can turn it around on him.  Rob would remind everyone of what Bob TDQ said about one of the new guys being a traitor, and that Wes is likely the Traitor and is using Rob’s prowess at sniffing out Traitors as a reason he is pointing a finger at Rob.  He is afraid of Rob discovering Wes is the traitor.  

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Tachi Rocinante

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The more I watch this season, the more I'm coming to realize Derrick may have been lucky to win Big Brother.  He's not good at reading any of these people.

11 hours ago, sugarbaker design said:

I'm only 25 minutes in, but I'm happy to report Tom Sandoval and Robyn Dixon continue to be this season's biggest dumb and dumber.

Except Gabby is even dumberer. 😁

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peachmangosteen

peachmangosteen

Rob played that terribly but he always seems to have a bunch of fucking idiots around him who buy into his bullshit so he'll probably get away with it. Sigh.

The second hand embarrassment I had for Dylan. Like yikes. Rob doesn't give a shit about you, dumbass. He better hope someone gets Rob out before he makes himself look even more embarrassing.

1 minute ago, Tachi Rocinante said:

The more I watch this season, the more I'm coming to realize Derrick may have been lucky to win Big Brother.  He's not good at reading any of these people.

If this season gets people to see how overrated Derrick and Rob are than it will have all been worth it to me lol.

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MicheleinPhilly

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When the ginger guy (Wes?) was talking about Nikki being a performer and being extra and making mountains out of molehills, I literally cackled. Dude, you've just described every single person in the game. It was so jarring to watch this immediately after watching UK. The drama! The acting! I think Tom might be the worst. His facial expressions are like something from day 1 of an acting class you see advertised in the back of a magazine. It's all just so laughably ridiculous. 

I do hope that the tables quickly turn on Rob because I can't stomach watching another month+ of people kissing his ass. 🙄

As someone who used to watch The Biggest Loser way back in the day, it was shocking to see Bob H. struggle so much with the challenge. I knew that he had had a massive heart attack but was not expecting to see him in such physical distress during a challenge. 

 

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Cheyanne11

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Rob may be in trouble, but BTDQ kinda left him no choice.  His big mouth, always having to interject something, was his undoing.  Rob, next week, can claim he wasn't "sure" Bob was a traitor ('hey, I said if I'm wrong, vote me out next week') and turn it around on Wes--I guess we'll see.  They SHOULD vote him out for his rep alone (too dangerous to keep around as the guy has nine lives), but some of these folks have proven they're not very smart.  

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MerBearHou

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Bob TDQ isn’t used to anyone standing up to him and going toe-to-toe with him in an argument (or at the round table) so it was a blast to watch Rob not give an inch.  Loved it.  Bob used his size and loud voice to try and dominate every chance he could.  He was so vocal in every scenario and it provided great ammo to get him banished.  It’s clearly just his personality but it wasn’t very strategic.  

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Yogisbooboo64

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Now THAT’S how you get rid of a player!  Dang, I never watched Boston Rob’s Survivor season, but the way he executed everything?  What a turn on!

Ding dong, the witch is dead….I’m SO happy that BobTDQ’s dramatic ass is gone; now, if it had been Danielle?  All the better, but I’ll bide my time.

Very UO, but she’s a ‘legend’ in her own mind.  I never liked her during Big Brother, the way she talked about everyone behind their back, calling Roddy the devil and being on all the time was annoying.  At least Janelle could back up her putdowns with sweat and character.  And how hypocritical, shedding tears at eliminating BobTDQ, her ‘ride or die’, but when Britney did it to her during the BB Reindeer games, she felt some type of way.  FOH!

Loved Jeremy, but he unfortunately couldn’t keep his mouth shut about Danielle.  The trick is to wait until you find someone you can trust, then share your concerns.

Who would have thought that Robbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb Dixon has more moxie in this show than she ever did on Potomac, when she sat mealy-mouthed as she let her husband run roughshod over her.

Derrick, your gut is steering you wrong!  What happened to the guy in BB with the street smarts?

I felt for Bob H., remembering his heart attack years ago and having to lift that object….although, little Britney was carrying it like it was a bag of groceries!

I see Wes is still Wessing, with his smug behind….I’d like for him to be banished after Danielle.

 

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fishcakes

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Carolyn wants to be trustworthy, but I don't think she's capable. She folds quickly when asked a direct question, and even when she's not talking she gets a panicked look as soon as an uncomfortable-for-her conversation begins. The only thing she has going for her is that people think she's so odd and inconsequential that they don't pay much attention to her, but I fully expect at some future Round Table, something will make her nervous and she'll blurt out, "I'M A TRAITOR!"

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AntFTW

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2 hours ago, fishcakes said:

Carolyn wants to be trustworthy, but I don't think she's capable. She folds quickly when asked a direct question, and even when she's not talking she gets a panicked look as soon as an uncomfortable-for-her conversation begins. The only thing she has going for her is that people think she's so odd and inconsequential that they don't pay much attention to her, but I fully expect at some future Round Table, something will make her nervous and she'll blurt out, "I'M A TRAITOR!"

I don't want to be too hard to Carolyn.

IMO, it seems like she has ideas but she does't think about how her own ideas conflict with each other. For example, I think it was second meeting of the traitors in the turret when Rob enters as a traitor, Carolyn suggested they murder Britney. Danielle gave what I thought was a rational response that they would pin it on Danielle because of the history she has with Britney. Carolyn looked visibly annoyed. However, she wants to work with Danielle (and the traitors in general) to some extent. She also wants to be heard, but she's giving Danielle an idea that would draw attention to Danielle.

It seems to me that Carolyn wanted to work with Jeremy. I imagine she confided in Jeremy about how she was feeling because she trusted him. However, Carolyn wants to remain united with her fellow traitors so she tells Danielle that Jeremy, a person she seemingly trusts, said her name. She doesn't want Jeremy murdered but she provides the ammo for having him murdered. Her wanting to work with Jeremy and work with the traitors clashed, and ended up resulting in Jeremy being murdered.

It seems like she hasn't quite figured out how she wants to navigate in the game.

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Also, forgot to mention just how sloppy it was for them to leave the bookcase open. On top of that, they all seem to get past it pretty quickly after that brief discussion at breakfast.

Gabby hears Danielle's voice coming out of the bookcase, and that is legitimately the most solid lead anyone has ever had at finding a traitor only for Gabby to completely abandon it after Danielle gave her convenient excuse of being in there with Dylan.

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susannot

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3 hours ago, peachmangosteen said:

IMO Carolyn is the best of the Traitors. Bob, Rob, and Danielle are/were varying levels of terrible tbh. Carolyn is actually benefiting from them having no respect for her but she doesn't see that right now.

I think Danielle is the smartest and best of the Traitors.  I'm rooting for her.

Also, as we got a hint of last night, I SO want Carolyn and Danielle to unite to take out Rob.  Would love it so much!

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Quilt Fairy

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I wasn't sure about having a group of 4 traitors, but this is working out fine.  There has been antagonism between the traitors before, but I can't recall outright war.  

BTW, I would appreciate it if people didn't spoil the winners of the international versions of the show in the threads for this show.  You can describe situations ("Wow, that final had 2 faithfuls and one traitor." ) without naming names. 

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SourK

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This could be true of any version of the show, but I will say it here: IDK whether those bad, weird pop songs on the soundtrack are made just for this show, but I wish they were tailored even more to the show, and literally describing the events. Like, "Ooooo, Rob's gonna turn against Bob; now Danielle's crying; awkward meeting later in the turret."

I watched this immediately after the latest episode of the UK version, where they do a different version of the statue challenge. In the UK one, they have a group discussion about who should get the shield, and work together to assemble the statues, and end up doing a vote to make the final decision. And, as I watched that, I was like, "If they do this on the US one, they'll all run up the hill with their own heads." LMAO.

Anyway. Rob did a very good job of taking out Bob, and it was the first time he looked like he was having fun all season -- doing what he loves & backstabbing people at a vote.

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violet and green

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13 hours ago, AntFTW said:

It seems like she hasn't quite figured out how she wants to navigate in the game.

She knows how she wants to navigate, the other Traitors just won't listen to her. She is insightful and has good intuition and good ideas, but they talk over her and ignore her. So glad they got Bob the Drag Queen out for that reason alone, but he has worked on my last nerve since episode one.

Throwing out Rob's name via that loud, unnecessary comment at the end of the challenge was a dumb move and I am glad it bit him back immediately!

Now I just need Danielle out; also Wes.

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AntFTW

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22 minutes ago, violet and green said:

She knows how she wants to navigate, the other Traitors just won't listen to her. She is insightful and has good intuition and good ideas, but they talk over her and ignore her.

It just seems to me that Carolyn has more freedom to navigate than all the other traitors. With the exception of Rob, the other Survivors are gone. Carolyn is seemingly unconnected to everyone. Carolyn could murder anyone and there would be no reason for anyone to look at Carolyn first. She's relatively new to the reality TV world than other traitors. The other traitors don't have that kind of freedom. They have to be a little more picky about who they murder so to me, it seems understandable that they would not agree to Carolyn's ideas because Carolyn's perceived threat level is not as high as theirs. Additionally, that's why Carolyn makes the perfect traitor.

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violet and green

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1 hour ago, AntFTW said:

It just seems to me that Carolyn has more freedom to navigate than all the other traitors. With the exception of Rob, the other Survivors are gone. Carolyn is seemingly unconnected to everyone. Carolyn could murder anyone and there would be no reason for anyone to look at Carolyn first. She's relatively new to the reality TV world than other traitors. The other traitors don't have that kind of freedom. They have to be a little more picky about who they murder so to me, it seems understandable that they would not agree to Carolyn's ideas because Carolyn's perceived threat level is not as high as theirs. Additionally, that's why Carolyn makes the perfect traitor.

She's got a lot more experience on navigating a social strategy game, having done very well on Survivor, than Bob the Drag Queen - who I only remember for his runway schtick with the big rectangular purse.

Carolyn has also successfully sold herself to the rest of the Faithful as one of them.

They're just not listening to her because they don't make the time to hear her out, and assume she is a ditz. Her reasoning is sound. 

 

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AntFTW

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10 minutes ago, violet and green said:

They're just not listening to her because they don't make the time to hear her out, and assume she is a ditz. Her reasoning is sound.

Agree to disagree. I didn't think so.

ETA: I disagree that her reasoning is sound, but I agree that they probably think she's a ditz.

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snarts

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I'm not familiar with BobTDQ outside of this show but seems like the power (of being selected a Traitor) went to his head and he thought he was the star of the show. He was just doing too much, all the damn time.

There was zero need for the comment he made at the end the challenge throwing unnecessary suspicion Rob's way. The plan they'd set in motion with the coffins was working. Had he not said it, I guarantee either Ciara or Nikki would've been voted off. 

So I totally understand why Rob manipulated his ouster before BobTDQ could do the same to him. The only flaw in his plan was that everyone was too timid to bring up BobTDG's name at the roundtable which forced him to do it. That may come back to haunt him.

Danielle's comes across as a bully to me so I'm not a fan. Caroline is wacky but I agree with @violet and green that her instincts are good but she gets talked over & dismissed. Hoping BobTDQ's departure will allow her to be heard.

Also hoping that they're not immediately directed to recruit a Traitor replacement.  The game is already stacked against the Faithful, allowing the Traitors an endless supply of replacements just makes the odds all the worse.

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65mickey

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2 hours ago, snarts said:

'm not familiar with BobTDQ outside of this show but seems like the power (of being selected a Traitor) went to his head and he thought he was the star of the show. He was just doing too much, all the damn time.

 

And the fact that he went ballistic when he found out that Dylan brought up his name. His comment that if anyone mentioned him he would go all ham on them. It was almost like he felt entitled to win this game. Everyone at some point will most likely have their name mentioned even BTDQ. His reaction should have been a clear indication that he was scared of being found out. And Danielle crying and carrying on when he was banished should point the finger at her.  

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ichbin

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7 hours ago, snarts said:

Danielle's comes across as a bully to me so I'm not a fan.

I saw her on Big Brother in 2002 and here it is nearly 23 years later and I can still remember how much I couldn't stand her then, and her gameplay, and how happy I was that she did not win. I still don't understand why she is considered some kind of super player. If I recall correctly she was one of those players who also seemingly felt entitled to the win because she was, "doing it for my family".  I like players who utilize skill, wiles, and strategy, and not just badmouthing, denigration, and unfairly casting aspersions on other players as a tactic. Hubris caught her on Big Brother thanks to ousted players back then still being able to see her confessionals prior to the finale.  I'm hoping something similar happens now because it seems like she remains as over confident.

Also, I'm really over the overacting on her part on Traitors so far while she thinks she is being such a superior actress.

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ladle1

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Oh, man.

So, I was a huge fan of Bob the Drag Queen on Drag Race, and I was so excited to see him as part of the cast and then tickled pink when he was selected to be a traitor. That said, his behavior as a traitor was not a good look and he became extremely unlikable to me. On the other hand, at least he was entertaining, and now we're stuck with three traitors who are neither likable nor entertaining. I feel like I don't have anybody to root for. Ho hum.

I'd love to see Boston Rob get picked off and then the women recruiting someone like Dolores or one of the Bambis.

Hopefully they have more challenges coming up that aren't just about brute strength. It would be interesting to give an opportunity for contestants who aren't just giant dudes to shine. I've always been partial to "What's missing from this room?" and "How well do you know your competitors?" type challenges, but maybe that's because I'm a giant nerd.

I felt awful for Bob H. during the challenge. I know that they have to be medically cleared to participate, but he looked like hell, and I was half worried he was going to have a medical episode right then and there. 

Finally, I'm just going to miss hearing contestants say "Bob the Drag Queen." There's just something that tickles me about that fun, silly name being said in such a serious way.

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Quilt Fairy

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4 hours ago, ladle1 said:

Hopefully they have more challenges coming up that aren't just about brute strength. It would be interesting to give an opportunity for contestants who aren't just giant dudes to shine. I've always been partial to "What's missing from this room?" and "How well do you know your competitors?" type challenges, but maybe that's because I'm a giant nerd.

The circus challenge required no strength at all and they mucked it up completely.  

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Rodney

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On 1/17/2025 at 9:01 AM, Tachi Rocinante said:

The more I watch this season, the more I'm coming to realize Derrick may have been lucky to win Big Brother.  He's not good at reading any of these people.

Derrick had a bunch of bro-y sheep with no minds of their own to lead to victory, as well as two incredibly dumb women who hated other women for some reason.  Hell, one of Derrick's own sheep was on the first season of this show and proved to be just as bad at this game.

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jackjill89

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On 1/17/2025 at 8:28 PM, SourK said:

This could be true of any version of the show, but I will say it here: IDK whether those bad, weird pop songs on the soundtrack are made just for this show, but I wish they were tailored even more to the show, and literally describing the events. Like, "Ooooo, Rob's gonna turn against Bob; now Danielle's crying; awkward meeting later in the turret."

I watched this immediately after the latest episode of the UK version, where they do a different version of the statue challenge. In the UK one, they have a group discussion about who should get the shield, and work together to assemble the statues, and end up doing a vote to make the final decision. And, as I watched that, I was like, "If they do this on the US one, they'll all run up the hill with their own heads." LMAO.

Anyway. Rob did a very good job of taking out Bob, and it was the first time he looked like he was having fun all season -- doing what he loves & backstabbing people at a vote.

The music bumps in this show totally remind me of the ones in Love is Blind!  I have really noticed them this season and I don't recall noticing them in prior ones. 

ladle1

ladle1

I'm not that keyed into the Survivor universe, though I'd heard of Boston Rob. The way the contestants on Traitors discuss him, I thought he must be some insanely great game player. So I looked at his Wiki, and it... does not read like the bio of someone who is an insanely great game player? 

Folks more familiar with him, am I missing something here? 

Wikipedia: "He placed tenth in the show's fourth season Survivor: Marquesas, finished as the runner-up to his eventual wife Amber Brkich in the show's eighth season Survivor: All-Stars, came in 13th place in the show's 20th season Survivor: Heroes vs. Villains, won the show's 22nd season Survivor: Redemption Island, returned for the show's 39th season Survivor: Island of the Idols as a mentor for the new players alongside Sandra Diaz-Twine, and came in 17th place in the show's 40th season Survivor: Winners at War. Mariano is the first contestant to appear on Survivor six times, and play five times. He also competed on The Amazing Race twice alongside his wife, where they placed second and eighth."

peachmangosteen

peachmangosteen

3 hours ago, Rodney said:

Derrick had a bunch of bro-y sheep with no minds of their own to lead to victory ...

Same for Rob lol.

1 hour ago, ladle1 said:

I'm not that keyed into the Survivor universe, though I'd heard of Boston Rob. The way the contestants on Traitors discuss him, I thought he must be some insanely great game player. So I looked at his Wiki, and it... does not read like the bio of someone who is an insanely great game player? 

Folks more familiar with him, am I missing something here?

You're not missing anything. He is very overrated.

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SourK

SourK

On 1/18/2025 at 4:16 PM, ladle1 said:

Finally, I'm just going to miss hearing contestants say "Bob the Drag Queen." There's just something that tickles me about that fun, silly name being said in such a serious way.

Same. I know that's his stage name, and they have to differentiate him from the other Bob when they talk about him, but it made me laugh because it sounded like they thought they had to specify, in every context, that he was a drag queen.

3 hours ago, ladle1 said:

I'm not that keyed into the Survivor universe, though I'd heard of Boston Rob. The way the contestants on Traitors discuss him, I thought he must be some insanely great game player. So I looked at his Wiki, and it... does not read like the bio of someone who is an insanely great game player? 

Folks more familiar with him, am I missing something here?

IMO, he's not insanely great, but he is unusually cool-headed in his game play. He's the rare person who doesn't go out of his way to be mean and dramatic but would also backstab his best friend if he thought that was the right move, mechanically.

There are usually a lot of social politics in these kinds of games where people are like, "Hold my hand and stare into my eyes and say we're allies forever," and that doesn't work on him, so that might be why people think he's intimidating.

But, no, it's not because he wins.

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