S01.E05: The Janitor's Boy

[oompa]

Air Date: May 26, 2023

Sims appoints Billings as chief deputy to keep tabs on Juliette, whose efforts to solve two murders lead to a showdown.

[HerkyJerky]

Well, at least, now we know why there are no elevators in the silo…

[marinw]

Seems like an arbitrary rule meant to segregate people. What to you do in an emergency?

”Douglas Turnbull” Nice. Did I hear that correctly?

[Accidental Martyr]

They don’t have any knowledge that they’re on a planet or anything? No knowledge of how the outside world around them even works?

[marinw]

7 hours ago, Accidental Martyr said:

They don’t have any knowledge that they’re on a planet or anything? No knowledge of how the outside world around them even works?

Why would they? They've been underground for over a hundred years and all the records of the Before Times have been conveniently destroyed. I'm intrigued by Cafeteria Guy.  Either the rotation of the Earth  (if that's where they are) is part of a simulation or only the vegetation looks dead.

The memorial service was interesting. They waste nothing.

[Rickster]

I ended up a little confused. Was that really Kennedy’s apartment, and Juliette tricked the shadow guy (can’t remember his name) into thinking he planted the evidence in the wrong place, or had it been handed over to an older couple, as she said (or do we even know).

Regarding the stars outside, while I was surprised he didn’t know what they were, I’d suspect there are people in the silo who know more about what’s going on than gets shared with the general population.

[Zaffy]

So... people on the Silo don't even have a clue about what a planet is, what a sky is, what stars are....
Did this happened on purpose? or because the rebellion destroyed all history?
But really.. I can't just accept that people who knew about history till the rebellion, they din't pass it orally to the next generations.
So I can only assume they keep them ignorent on purpose. 
The truth is we do not even know if it was rebellion who destroyed the history archive or they just pinned it on them.
And why the Pez is so important?

In other news, if you live in the Silo and you have knees issues...

[Enigma X]

I admit that I fast forwarded through much of this episode. So, were they threatening to kick someone out to clean? Have they explained what happens to people who they kick out to clean who refuse to clean?

I am guessing most will clean in hopes that others will see that there is a green planet out there. Being the person I am, this would make me suspicious why someone they forced out will willingly clean the lens. Maybe I misheard and only those who ask to go clean leave to do it.

Anyway, with each episode I become less interested and think that Common is not a very good actor.

 

[marinw]

Hawks bears a bit of a resemblance to Adam Driver.

[Accidental Martyr]

12 hours ago, Zaffy said:

So... people on the Silo don't even have a clue about what a planet is, what a sky is, what stars are....
Did this happened on purpose? or because the rebellion destroyed all history?
But really.. I can't just accept that people who knew about history till the rebellion, they din't pass it orally to the next generations.
So I can only assume they keep them ignorent on purpose. 
The truth is we do not even know if it was rebellion who destroyed the history archive or they just pinned it on them.
And why the Pez is so important?

In other news, if you live in the Silo and you have knees issues...

Yeah, that’s what I was thinking. Some of the higher ups must have knowledge about the world that they are keeping hidden for some reason. It seems like at least some of this would still be passed down.

[EtheltoTillie]

17 hours ago, Rickster said:

I ended up a little confused. Was that really Kennedy’s apartment, and Juliette tricked the shadow guy (can’t remember his name) into thinking he planted the evidence in the wrong place, or had it been handed over to an older couple, as she said (or do we even know).

Regarding the stars outside, while I was surprised he didn’t know what they were, I’d suspect there are people in the silo who know more about what’s going on than gets shared with the general population.

We were just as confused about that apartment issue. 

[Zaffy]

When Kennedy's wife died, they put him to a smaller apartment and put a couple in his old one. This somehow didn't go on the records and when the Judicial agent tried to frame Kennedy he put the "evident" in the wrong apartment (his old one). 

14 hours ago, Enigma X said:

I am guessing most will clean in hopes that others will see that there is a green planet out there. Being the person I am, this would make me suspicious why someone they forced out will willingly clean the lens. Maybe I misheard and only those who ask to go clean leave to do it.

It is up to each  person to clean it or not. Which is why the ones watching from inside celebrate when someone cleans.
But I suspect most of people indeed cleaned cause they see a different scenery when they are outside and they think by cleaning the lenses others will see as well.

[tkc]

Not a spoiler (as I haven’t read the books), but are the shadowy figures who actually run the silo pulling the “wool” over everyone else’s eyes?

[bilgistic]

On 5/27/2023 at 6:54 AM, marinw said:

Why would they? They've been underground for over a hundred years and all the records of the Before Times have been conveniently destroyed. I'm intrigued by Cafeteria Guy.  Either the rotation of the Earth  (if that's where they are) is part of a simulation or only the vegetation looks dead.

It seems that the image seen through the cafeteria "window" is actually a video being played on a loop. We saw it glitch when they turned off the power. The "daytime" image that displayed very briefly during the glitch was the same one that Holston saw in his visor when he went out.

Neither the Silo inhabitants nor we the audience know what it actually looks like "out there".

Edited June 15, 2023 by bilgistic

[Joimiaroxeu]

Surprising that they don't cremate people when they die. But I guess composting is the next best thing. The apples tossed into the grave didn't make sense to me though. Do rotting apples help with the composting?

Do deputy Hank and Juliette have history? She was acting a bit coy with him.

The sheriff's secretary is kind of insubordinate. Can Juliette not fire her or does Juliette realize she needs her institutional knowledge?

Man, you really have to be in good shape to be running up and down all those stairs. How is everyone not thin? Maybe most people tend to stay within a few floors.

Hah, I knew Trimble was getting tossed over the ledge. Weird that judiciary security would kill one of their own guys, but apparently it was necessary to head off Juliet's investigation. Judicial is like the mafia but luckily Juliette is onto them.

[astrohip]

13 hours ago, Joimiaroxeu said:

Surprising that they don't cremate people when they die. But I guess composting is the next best thing. The apples tossed into the grave didn't make sense to me though. Do rotting apples help with the composting?

In a world of extremely limited resources, where everything is recycled, cremation would be a waste of good organic material. Composting is the best thing to do with a body.

I think the apples are just a gesture. Just a guess, I don't know.

[Hanahope]

The apples are probably to help with the organic breakdown of the body and it looked like they were in an apple orchard so planting new trees.

Judicial still needed a patsy for the deaths and Trumbull ended up it.  Though no explanation is given as to why.  And we still don’t know exactly who killed Narnes and Jahns though I’m guessing it’s Sims who did it to help get nichols off of being sheriff.

maybe billings will be too much of a good guy and go against sims

Edited May 14, 2024 by Hanahope

[Paloma]

On 6/14/2023 at 10:17 PM, bilgistic said:

It seems that the image seen through the cafeteria "window" is actually a video being played on a loop. We saw it glitch when they turned off the power. The "daytime" image that displayed very briefly during the glitch was the same one that Holston saw in his visor when he went out.

Holston may have seen the daytime green image in his visor either because the powers that be planted that image or because that is what's really out there. But I think the green image seen through the cafeteria window during the glitch must be what it really looks like, because there would be no reason for the powers that be to include that image in a video playing on a loop that is intended to convince the people the world outside is dead/toxic. 

[PurpleTentacle]

Those are some expensive burrial customs for a civilisation of 10.000 that has to survive on food grown underground. Feeding the plants is so important that you need to burry bodies amoung them, super shallow, risking all kinds of diseases, but then you throw like half a harvest into the graves? Sure, makes perfect sense.

Also all those apples on the trees were super ripe. Anybody going to harvest them?

That dude really should have seen it coming, that he was going to get thrown off the side any moment, when he was asked repeatedly if he would give anything for the silo. I saw it coming when the two started talking on that walkway. I guess we have to be lenient, since these people have no TV and thus don't know all the tropes, but if they had, I'd call that guy a dumbass.

Btw. something I only noticed this episode, but was already a thing before. How are these stairs not more worn down? Thousands of people walk them every day, for hundreds of years now. There shouldn't be any visible steps anymore. It should basically be a ramp, if the staircase didn't totally collapse. Do they have the ability to make cement, pour new concrete, put some steel rebar in there? It isn't quite clear what they can and can't do...

Edited January 30 by PurpleTentacle

[PurpleTentacle]

On 5/26/2023 at 6:35 AM, HerkyJerky said:

Well, at least, now we know why there are no elevators in the silo…

Well not really. Only that it's a rule in their weird pact, but not why it's a rule in their weird pact.

On 5/28/2023 at 10:31 AM, Zaffy said:

It is up to each  person to clean it or not. Which is why the ones watching from inside celebrate when someone cleans.
But I suspect most of people indeed cleaned cause they see a different scenery when they are outside and they think by cleaning the lenses others will see as well.

According to dialouge in an earlier episode they always clean. The only bet is if they die before finishing. Which really makes no sense. They know that the people in the silo don't see what they see and no amount of cleaning will change that. If anything, letting the camera dirty up would give less of a distorted picture of the outside world (or at least so the cleaners would have to think).

If I was in that situation I wouldn't clean and I think most people wouldn't either.

On 6/15/2023 at 4:17 AM, bilgistic said:

It seems that the image seen through the cafeteria "window" is actually a video being played on a loop. We saw it glitch when they turned off the power. The "daytime" image that displayed very briefly during the glitch was the same one that Holston saw in his visor when he went out.

It can't be a video because of the cleaners and their bodies. It could be a real time deep fake. Or it's real and the lush landscape is the real time deep fake.

A hint is that the sheriff took his helmet off and then saw the body of his wive and crawled to her. He didn't see her body with the helmet on...