[S17.E25: Denver Reunion, Part 2]

Six months after less than two months of relationship? Emily should have forgotten his name by then. If the group can't let it go, something seriously troubling is happening with them.
These girls represent all shades of pink insecurities.

[S17.E0 • Where Are They Now: To Hurt or to Heal]

On 4/19/2024 at 1:26 PM, seacliffsal said:

Just from the title it sounds like the women are not letting go of their anger.  I have been in much longer relationships than what the Denver couples had and I never had this level of anger/hatred (well, maybe for a week or two...).  Why are they holding on to their anger so hard and so long?  Why are they trying so hard to portray themselves as victims when their relationships ended between two days and eight weeks (and most of them were finished well before that)?

And perhaps my bigger question is why are the men still participating?  Are the contracts that punitive that everyone feels like they have to show up?

Because the pinks were publicly humiliated by the boys rejecting and not finding them attractive on national TV, I am not sure of Lauren's reason.

the boys keep trying to prove they were not villains 
 

[90 Day: The Single Life]

 

I think Mike has been paying all Natalie's bills. He gave her monthly allowances to buy food and other things and sponsored her mom to come to the US through the Helping Ukrainian Refugees program. 
Josh only paid for large gifts, such as a new FIAT and a one-year apartment rent.
No wonder Natalie is so devastated. She will have to start supporting her and her mom for the first time in four years.

[S17.E25: Denver Reunion, Part 2]

It is interesting that nobody has mentioned Emily's comment that she would find the girl Brennan dates and tell her how awful Brennan really is. Shallow move, especially if she think that she is so better than him.

I am still confused when read how horrible Brennan was. Knowing that we know now, I think the only bad thing he has done was staying in this show too long.

However, I saw Emily's reaction when he was honest, so no wonder he preferred to keep his mouth shut and asked her to do the same.

I think Dr. Pea should apologize to him as well in return.

[S17.E25: Denver Reunion, Part 2]

3 hours ago, Elizzikra said:

That is my opinion as well. I think he looked down on Emily and thought she was not worthy of being matched with him.

 

Why is she “nasty?” Because has had a lot of one night stands (although we don’t know how many she has had; we only know that she has enjoyed the ones she has had). She could have had safe sex and we have no reason to believe that she has STIs. And I don’t see any judgement here at all about the men who took her home (especially if she was so drunk she might not remember what she did), had sex with her and never called her again. Are they as “nasty” as she is?

I agree that people have different values around sex. No problem there. But when words like “nasty” start to come into it, that’s a judgement about someone’s worth and value as a person. I do have a problem with that. 

So if 2 one night stands is better than 50, where is the cut off? What’s the scale. Is “zero” excellent and non-nasty; single digits are ok but start to get a little nasty when you get into the upper reaches and double digits is really nasty territory?

What is really interesting to me is that Emily showed no signs of wanting to continue one night stands after she was married. She didn’t seem to want an open marriage or polyamory or anything like that. So when I wonder why this was an issue for Brennan, I’m coming from a perspective of Emily’s one night stands being something she did when she was single and something that really didn’t directly impact him. She didn’t even know him when this was what she was doing.  It didn’t say anything at all about how she was going to behave in their marriage.

I am surprised by that as well. Lauren seems to have more common sense than that and I thought she acted a little more immature than I would have anticipated. Plus, while I think that Orion treated her really badly, she only had about two weeks of that bad behavior and then she could have been totally free of him (his multiple offers of “friendship” and “reconciliation” notwithstanding). Her anger seems disproportionate to the length of their relationship.

Brennan doesn't have to explain why it was a turn-off for him or how many times it was too many.
If a guy wipes his nose using his T-shirt, I'm turned off, even if he does it once.
 

[S17.E24: Denver Reunion, Part 1]

Did Austin take Becca to build terrariums? I thought it was Dr. Pea's idea 

[S17.E24: Denver Reunion, Part 1]

As a strong and independent woman, I feel ashamed for those wackos who think they could represent women's power by crying, making faces, and playing victims.
If any gaslighting occurs, you reveal it while filming and ask for a divorce. 

 

[90 Day: The Single Life]

I still think Debbie is 78, If she posted her profile as 58, it is just unrealistic. Her orange stockings are fine, but she should cover her knees.

[90 Day: The Single Life]

The reason some viewers see mental issues with Natalie is that she is all over the place and doesn't act her age, although she looks 38 for sure. 
She wants a career in Hollywood; she wants a baby, and she wants Josh; she wants to stay with Mike. She wants Mike to sponsor her mom; she wants Josh to pay for her apartment and find her a job; she wants, wants, wants, but doesn't take much responsibility for anything.
And if anyone tells her who she really is, she gets defensive. 
She may not get an official diagnosis, but some characteristics of ADHD and bipolar disorder are definitely present.
It is the same as with the girl from My Big Beautiful Life; whatever worked for Natalie in her twenties became more challenging to sell now, when you hit 40, so she needs to be more dramatic and ridiculous to get what she wants.
 

[90 Day: The Single Life]

It becomes more and more Jerry Springer’s show

[S17.E23: Second Time's the Charm?]

6 hours ago, Yeah No said:

I agree with you to an extent.  I think the women's behavior that is being criticized needs to be seen in the context of what they were facing both from the show and their spouses, and I forgive them a lot because of that.  I don't think they banked on this level of crap coming at them.  We don't even like it so why should we criticize them that much for having to deal with it first hand?  We still want the show to be about really finding love so why shouldn't they?  That's what it's supposed to be about, not what we're seeing here.  I do believe most of these women (except for perhaps Chloe and even to some extent Clare) were sincere about finding love and marriage even as they may have had their own issues getting in the way of that happening.  I am not so sure about the sincerity and willingness of some of these men to put themselves into this 100%.  Knowing how so many of them are recruited and end up obviously not even interested in much less ready for marriage makes me see them as the biggest offenders here right off the bat.

I wouldn't use the word OFFENDER loosely.
Could you please provide some examples, not adjectives for each male participants to justify your use of the word?

[S17.E23: Second Time's the Charm?]

Emily did not throw the glass. She knocked somebody else's glass from their hands.
She was rude and judgmental toward others during Afterparty episodes.

And I don't know how we can justify her behavior toward Cam. He is very sick, so-so sick nor sick at all - it is on him, not my place to question.

And I hope nobody will ever question Emily how ill she is, next time she has health issues.

[S17.E23: Second Time's the Charm?]

1 hour ago, Yeah No said:

I don't agree with you mostly because I see how Emily's inability to express herself well and recall details when put on the defensive is making her look bad.  And I still think Keisha was taking advantage of that.  I was once like that myself and evil people took advantage of that and made me look like the bad guy while they came out smelling like roses.  It's something you recognize if you've been bullied and made to justify every little detail of yourself like I have and I don't mistake that for Emily lying or misrepresenting herself.  I also don't forget who pays Keisha's salary, either.  She is likely being manipulated as much as the rest of them were by producers, etc. to suit whatever narrative they want her to pursue.  And that's not what the Afterparty was EVER about nor should it be in my opinion.  This show is getting more and more trashy by the minute!  

And I think the opposite about Emily - I think much was made about relatively little with her in reality and she was made to look much worse by both the show and Brennan.  In his effort to look like the "good guy" he threw her under the bus at every opportunity by stretching the truth to make her look bad.  And let's not forget the clever editing making it look like she was responsible for breaking a glass and acting wild at Michael and Chloe's wedding.  I don't buy any of that stuff and several people here have commented that she didn't throw the glass.  That is the tip of the iceberg.  She is still getting trashed for engaging in what would be typically male behavior and that's unfair and undeserved too.  

What are you talking about? The show loooved Emily and the entire cast was consoling after the decision day. She made a complete fool of herself attending the aftershows and attacking others. I had enough of her after 30 minutes, so I totally understand Brennan now.

[S17.E23: Second Time's the Charm?]

Watching Afterparty, I could testify that Emily IS a negative person and DOES have a problem with alcohol. 
And Becca, please stop your crying. Nobody dies in this show. According to you, Austin is a liar and a cheater, so why are you crying about him two months later? The only emotions you should have by now are anger and relief.

[90 Day: The Single Life]

I am torn between thinking of Natalie as a psychopath or a very talented manipulator. And watching today's episode, she always knows what to do and what to say. Clearly, the previous night she spent with Josh was to groom him for today's episode. And it looks like he is still responsible for her and her mom living in LA. Like Yara said, 'Natalie, please give me some lessons!'

[S10: Tell All Part 2]

I like Igor. And found it very disrespectful to use his real name as a joke.

[S17.E22: Doubts, Dilemmas and Drag!]

Before Samantha, it was Blanche from GG. However, women have more physical limitations for having as many partners as men. They also have various health issues as a result of these choices; therefore, they naturally have fewer partners during their lives.
It is also important to understand if Emily has one-night stands as her choice or because of her desperation to look for a man. Based on her demanding sex from Brennan while under the influence, it could be either. 
Emily seems happy right now, and I think she dropped the idea of marriage for at least 5 years. She should take care of her health and revisit this idea when ready.

[S17.E22: Doubts, Dilemmas and Drag!]

18 hours ago, qtpye said:

Can we talk about how this man went on this show twice, when he is supposedly not ready for marriage???

He could be ready for marriage, but not five foster kids, 573 animals, and permanently moving together after two months of knowing each other. He is another man who is afraid of the woman he was paired with because although originally fine, she day after day reveals her crazy side and makes Mike anxious about their future.

[S17.E22: Doubts, Dilemmas and Drag!]

Chloe makes bizarre facial expressions when nervous. It is especially weird when she switches from smiling to serious face in no time. It makes me think that all her cheerfulness is fake.

[S17.E22: Doubts, Dilemmas and Drag!]

I remember renting 2 bedroom apartments with a garage in Loveland for less than 1000. It was long time ago

[S17.E21: Climbing Down From Decision Day]

I think any woman knows and excuse me feels when a man wants her.

I have never been mistaken in my life. However, it really hurts to admit the truth, but this is when your independent woman comes out and you let him go.

[S17.E21: Climbing Down From Decision Day]

20 minutes ago, Elizzikra said:

When did she do that?

And there’s no rule that says only one of them can lie.

i would not have guessed that Becca was going to turn out to be such a divisive cast member…

I really don't know why this season makes people so polarized. I usually talk about girls' power and independent women's stuff because it is who I am. However, the girls from Denver are extremely dependent on their husbands, their girlfriends and social media optics(finally I used the word of the season).
These three girls are three 'f***good person Alyssas who keep criticizing without any self-reflection, telling each other that they deserve better(not sure why). 

 

[S17.E21: Climbing Down From Decision Day]

If we talk so much about lying,
Let us remember that Becca agreed, promised to divorce on the day of the decision, and changed her mind in front of Austin's eyes. This is quite a lie in my opinion.

[S17.E21: Climbing Down From Decision Day]

I feel that we are watching different shows at this point.
I see the boys reacting to the girls' actions in all three cases.
Emily - cause - alcohol and agressive behavior - resulting Brennan's distancing and withdrawal.
Becca - needy and emotionally fragile- resulting Austin hiding stuff and giving vague answer.
Claire - cold and calculating - Cam - defensive and removed himself from the situation.
Just the way how I see this season. 

Again I blame the production and believe all these matches were purposely mismatched.

 

[S17.E21: Climbing Down From Decision Day]

During the after-party, Austin said that they agreed to divorce and try friendship/relationship after that. He let Becca speak first and was shocked to hear that she wanted to stay married. He didn't want her to look bad and said yes, although clearly, it was not his plan. I would not be surprised if they had planned to go out before the decision day. I still don't understand why going out with the producer after decision day was a crime, but it tells me that Becca is a controlling partner who would play a victim if anything doesn't go how she wants it to.
i feel that Austin was trying to hide from her as much as possible to avoid another meltdown. It explains his hesitation to tell Becca he was not into her physically.
Again another mismatched couple where Becca needs someone more mature and tolerant to her fragile health and emotional issues and Austin needs a younger girl he can go to bars, vape, have a  good time without exhausting psychological dissection of his actions.