[S03.E09: Chapter Forty-Four: No Exit]

It sucks that they put Choni's first "I love yous" and first sex scene (or the start of it) in an episode where it's upstaged by this stealing-and-betraying-their-friends ooc mess. I wonder if this is backlash against some of the more unruly Choni stans. If it is, that's petty.

It was also something to have Veronica perform the ending song (when it more naturally would have been Josie as she's sung everything this season), just so they could drum up pity for poor old Archie dying in a cabin juxtaposed with his ex chirping happily away and kissing another man. LOL, could the writers hate her any more? Maybe I was wrong about the comics treating her worse. It doesn't help that she has the voice of a Japanese pop singer.

I liked the Betty plot in this episode, especially the ending, and that's about it.

[S03.E08: Chapter Forty-Three: Outbreak]

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But I don’t quite understand how comic book Betty and Veronica are such icons in the world of female friendship. To me they aren’t great friends.

You're right, they're not. Archie Comics promotes the idea that they're friends because it gets them female empowerment points and sales. But, even though there are more stories where B and V are friends than enemies, the enemy stories have gone way too far to make their friendship credible anymore. Basically the comics make their money off selling Betty as the can-do-no-wrong heroine and Veronica as the can't-do-anything-right shithead who exists as a foil to B, not a friend or equal. Riverdale didn't entirely abandon that gimmick, but they softened it.

[S03.E08: Chapter Forty-Three: Outbreak]

On 1/11/2019 at 7:22 PM, Insomnia said:

I'm wondering if the show is a prequel of sorts for the comic book.

No.

[S03.E07: Chapter Forty-Two: The Man In Black]

I don't know if C&C actually moved faster than SH? They just opened up about it faster to the public, because like I said, they seem to be leaning into the show biz aspect of their relationship, which I kind of like. I mean, Hollywood romance, it is what it is. But you're right, getting off topic here. I guess because The Man In Black was pretty boring, lol.

[S03.E07: Chapter Forty-Two: The Man In Black]

4 hours ago, WhosThatGirl said:

I think they are a pretty good couple, actually. And yeah it’s hard for on screen romances and yes some happen and some don’t. I’m not saying marriage but I do like them as a couple. I kind of hope they don’t break up during the shows run,  honestly. That would be really bad for the show. But I kind of hope lzt. Maybe I’m wishful thinking but I do think they’re pretty stable as a couple. 

The couple I worry about more than Lili and Cole is actually Charles and Camilla. They seem to be going full speed since they started. They became  media official like instantly and already they each spent holidays with each other families sdand were posting about it. Cole and Lili May have done this too but weren’t posting about it. Seriously with Charles and Camilla it really does seem like it happened at a fast speed. I’d be more worried about that pairing if I was someone who worked on the show and behind the scenes drama. And yes while Reggie and Veronica aren’t a couple they do seem to be sharing quite a lot of scenes together this season so I’d be a little worried.

And yes when I say make it, I don’t know what I mean. I am hoping they do stay together because honestly I do think they are cute together as I said. And I brought up Charles and Camilla as a negative only because like you said it’s always a bad idea sometimes for on screen couples to fall In Love on screen and all that drama and it rarely works out but I think that’s why Lili and Cole took so long to make their relationship public. They didn’t want it to bleed into the show, for some reason this makes me think their relationship is kind of stable. Granted I obviously don’t know them but from how they’ve acted in regards to the public and their relationship, this is how I feel.

Sprousehart seems like they might have a good chance of staying together till Riverdale's finished. After that? Well, frankly, just think of all the showbiz couples who've seemed absolutely rock solid stable and then split up. I wish the best for both SH and C&C, they're cute, but I don't expect either one to stay together too long after the show ends (which I think will be about three years from now), if that. Hollywood's track record is just that bad. I'll only hope that when if they want to move on later, they make clean breaks and stay friends. Anything more will just be a nice surprise. 

I don't know too much about Charmila, but if they're posting about themselves publicly, that's not necessarily a bad sign. It shows that even though they're probably in love, they know that this is a Hollywood romance they're in, so they're having fun with it. Private or public, either approach works depending on the actors' personalities. I'd worry less about them breaking up than SH just because if it happens, it's not going to hurt the show as much. Reggie and Veronica aren't as big of a couple on Riverdale as Betty and Jughead, and Reggie and Veronica are supposed to have a thorny, combative dynamic, so if the actors break up, it kind of fits in a way that broken up SH would not. But like I said, it seems like SH could last to the end of the show.

[S03.E07: Chapter Forty-Two: The Man In Black]

On 12/11/2018 at 4:06 PM, WhosThatGirl said:

They are adorable, I like them too and I hope they make it.

Make it to what, marriage? I hope not, for their sake. Real-life romances between actors who play onscreen couples almost always break up. The exceptions happen once in a blue moon. 

[S03.E06: Chapter Forty-One: Manhunter]

They should have locked up Veronica in the SoQM instead of Betty so Ronnie will stop blabbing the plans to Hiram.

Joaquin getting killed was disappointing. Kevin had more chemistry with him than anyone else, and his death was rather pointless. I almost hope Riverdale goes supernatural just so they can bring him back.

I think Josie deserved to be the one to tell off Marty Mantle after her tiein comic story with him and Reggie last year, but the show writers never give her much. Then again, Betty saying it to the world's worst parents instead of the police or someone else useful was sort of a flashy move that sounded good but accomplished nothing and probably pissed the guy off to do further violence, so maybe it's just as well.

[S02.E21: Chapter Thirty-Four: Judgment Night]

3 hours ago, Anna Yolei said:

Alice has always been Alice, which was a very common name when the comic originally began. 

During the sixties and seventies, Betty's mother was named "Helen." (Thanks to the site you linked to for reminding me what it was! They're mistaken about it only being one story though, or maybe they haven't seen the other stories.) I remember seeing a bunch of panels from different stories posted in one of the Archie groups years ago that showed Hal calling her Helen, by someone who was pointing out how the names changed over the years. Mr. Lodge was originally named Burton for instance, then Albert, then J.P. and I think a few other things before he became Hiram. "Alice" was given to Mrs. Cooper in the eighties or nineties.

[S02.E21: Chapter Thirty-Four: Judgment Night]

11 hours ago, Superclam said:

Alice Cooper, the singer, was famous for using snakes as props. But I'm pretty sure the names Alice and Hal Cooper come from the comic book, before the band. 

Hal does, but "Alice" was apparently given to Betty's mother long after the real Alice Cooper became a rock star (she was called something else before that), so the name was probably meant as a nod to him.

[S02.E18: Chapter Thirty-One: A Night To Remember]

After this episode I find myself really wanting to see the usual couples split up and regrouped, at least for a while, because the Betty/Archie and Chuck/Veronica scenes are such a breath of fresh air just for the change, even though I usually prefer Bughead and Varchie. Well, maybe not Varchie anymore. They're in a rut and Chuck is awesome with Veronica, even without the lap dancing. Maybe we can pretend certain episodes never happened. Because hell, the writers do it all the time. I'm dreading Moose/Kevin but that's probably where the show is headed. I hope there's at least a decent interval. 

[S02.E17: Chapter Thirty: The Noose Tightens]

Finally watched this episode. Not as much fun as the previous but more touching because of Choni. Also funny that Toni and Veronica expected Josie to just forget about the stalker Cheryl revelation and go help find her. Well, of course they did. Toni grew up in a street gang and Veronica grew up in a mob family, sending pig's hearts is probably no big deal to them, lol. And I loved Archie's boast about how he rearranged Nick St. Clair's face. Yeah dude, while he was laid up in bed with a broken leg.

[S02.E16: Chapter Twenty-Nine: Primary Colors]

1 hour ago, Dee said:

Veronica is a White Latina.

Veronica & other White Latinos can identify however she/they want(s), that doesn't alter how she's/they're perceived to the rest of the world.

There's a reason Gina Rodriguez and America Ferrera are considered Latina actresses and Cameron Diaz and Alexis Bledel are not.

Veronica doesn't look as white as  Cameron Diaz and Alexis Bledel. (Though I'm not going to judge their identity either, since there's more to it than looks.) She looks about as white as Sweet Pea, who's played by a Eurasian actor. They both look ethnically ambiguous. 

I notice there's a thread here about race relations in Riverdale, so maybe we should continue this discussion there. I'll wait for you to reply there, or you can do it here and I'll answer you there. edit: here's the thread.

[S02.E16: Chapter Twenty-Nine: Primary Colors]

14 minutes ago, UNOSEZ said:

Latina isn't a race.. 

I said made up country because its never been established exactly where Hiram and Hermione are from.. Sometimes shows create foreign countries as stand INS to not offend anyone.. 

And by white I mean whatever country she's from the ppl who looked like her with her skin and features are considered white a few 100 years ago she would've owned slaves if it were her prerogative..  The laws in said fake country would be slanted in the favor of her and those who look like her... 

If you don't believe me go look at the history of oh I dunno Colombia Venezuela Cuba Brazil Costa Rica Panama Puerto Rico etc.. 

On the show almost all of hirams traits and all his "family " stuff has been lifted from the Italian mafia... 

And other than dropping the occasional "Mija" they drop almost no Spanish or Portuguese (Camila's language)...  So yeah... White lady... No shade I like her.. Just hope that clarifies my point

Latina isn't a race, but many Latinos don't consider themselves white. For good reason. I would never call one white unless they said they identify that way.

Veronica doesn't live in a Latino country. She lives in the United States, which has different standards for whiteness. 

I agree about the Italian mafia stuff although I don't think the Lodges are supposed to be part Italian. Just more Riverdale weirdness.

A lot of Latino Americans from the second generation onward don't speak Spanish apart from scattered phrases and words, because their parents wanted them to assimilate and didn't teach it to them.

[S02.E16: Chapter Twenty-Nine: Primary Colors]

1 minute ago, UNOSEZ said:

In whatever made up latin country her ppl hail from on the show.. She's considered white there.. And for the purposes of the show she's basically a white lady 

?

She's Latina, she and her parents don't look white to me, and the show acknowledged when she first joined the Pussycats that she isn't white. 

How can she be considered white in a made up latin country (if she comes from one)--you don't know the rules of a made up country, do you?

'Basically a white lady' which means...

[S02.E16: Chapter Twenty-Nine: Primary Colors]

On 3/23/2018 at 5:46 AM, Dee said:

Betty, like her mother, has no problem judging other people and interfering in their lives. Yet when others interfere in her life (much like Kevin who was returning the favor from earlier in the season), she has a problem with it.

It doesn't matter when Chuck's apology happened. The point was that it happened, and was unprompted.

Also, the writers knew exactly how racist they were being by having white women chain up & assault a young black guy, which is why they included conveniently never seen again except for a single plot dependent appearance Trev in the same episode.

And if hiding dead bodies is no big deal then why is Chuck still in need of "redemption?"

Veronica isn't white.

[S02.E16: Chapter Twenty-Nine: Primary Colors]

I love the fact that Hiram's big plan is building a prison in his hometown, it's hilarious. Like something from a literal cartoon villian.

There were a lot of good moments in this episode. Ethel milkshaking on Veronica, Josie turning out to be a double agent, Veronica punching Reggie, Chic being his awesomely creepy self.

There was also some real crap, like Veronica's weak ass line about not saying no to her parents. I think it was supposed to be a rare moment of vulnerability but so out of character it was lame. Josie making up a lie about Veronica being best friends with a rapist and putting it on the poster. Everything else she said was justified but that was putrid, especially since Veronica was one of Nick's victims. Kevin betraying Betty because he's hot for Chic and then getting forgiven like it was nothing. Hello?