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Guys, I really don't think they are on the verge of breaking up.  Mika comes into the studio when they are both out in CT; Joe just frequently stays in the bunker (maybe to spend more time with his kids?).  I think they've gotten some pretty nasty responses on Instagram, FB, and Twitter, and now they curate what they say more than they did before (maybe in connection with the NRA thing).  They are the real deal, I think, as much as some of you may wish it were otherwise!  If they've been together as long as some speculate, then they probably made absolute certain that it was going to work before going public, knowing the speculation it would spark when they finally did go public.  Read that NY Magazine article and the comments that the author made again -- what they have is pretty rare.  And for those of us who have seen them in person, it's also pretty obvious.    

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I think Joe is at the NBC Sports studio in Stamford, CT.  I see “sports” in the background.  I doubt they work at 6 am at NBC Sports, hence the basement look.  

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The whole exchange over holding hands and acknowledging being engaged was kind of fascinating.  Joe was definitely rude in the exchange with the author, but Mika never seems to mind it (or is just so used to it), but the on-air make-up made her deeply uncomfortable.  She doesn't seem to mind references that acknowledge they are together -- like, even at the beginning of this show she pointed out that Joe had exercised yesterday, which was "historic" according to her, but also something that someone who was just a co-host (and not a romantic partner) would not know.  They certainly make references to what they do on the weekend, after hours, etc. -- like the whole pig squealing thing a few weeks ago or when they showed the pic of Mika (in Joe's house) cooking from A World in Disarray.  (And they are fine with discussing it on other shows or in the media; they held hands on The View and discussed being engaged; they held hands on Colbert; they've discussed it in numerous articles, the Couric podcast, etc.) 

But she has a line about the relationship being referenced directly on Morning Joe itself -- like it made her uncomfortable for Joe to say they were "engaged," which seemed utterly silly.  (Joe didn't say he gave her a ring, but that she was wearing his ring -- a suggestion that everyone knew it and it was crazy not to acknowledge it, and I agree with him.) The hand holding thing definitely uncomfortably blurs the line between "news" (such as this show is) and something else like tabloid, which understandably makes Mika uncomfortable -- perhaps because she wants to be seen as serious.  That said, I will say from having seen them off-air at several events, including the 10th Anniversary show, they are quite affectionate when the cameras are not on them.  Indeed, at the 10th Anniversary show, Mika would occasionally put her arm on Joe's back, when the camera was off them.  (She also has kissed Joe several times during his live feeds for his band's performance, including the one on Saturday in Boston.) It's about being "caught" on camera during MJ for Mika, and what that suggests -- and I think it goes to her fundamental insecurity about not being as good as the rest/not being as smart as or as knowledgeable as, and only being seen as Joe's romantic other.  

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1 hour ago, teddysmom said:

Where the heck was he this morning? They were both in studio yesterday right?  

It's like they're on the run from the mob or something how they're always in a different undisclosed location. 

Joe was back in the CT bunker.  He got to sleep in while Mika had to trek into the office.  He also disappeared for the last hour or more.  

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4 hours ago, cased said:

Joe was definitely not in the Connecticut bunker today.  I think if they were in DC, then Joe and/or Mika would have been in a normal studio, but who knows. 

This whole bunker thing is weird. Why will they never say where the bunker is? Why won’t Joe and Mika make joint bunker appearances, now that they are no longer hiding their relationship? And why dies Mika never make solo bunker appearances?

I thought it might be the Nantucket bunker for a bit but then Mika posted the social media pic with her mom... I can’t imagine Joe would go to Nantucket by himself.   The only Mika bunker appearance I recall was when they were in London.  I agree it is time for joint bunker appearances, but I suspect the CT bunker was only built for one.  Maybe the new house will have a bunker for two!  

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1 hour ago, stormy said:

Is Mika on this show anymore?

I guess her extra vacation time carries over for this year.  For what it is worth, I think they are in DC — Mika posted a picture with her mom on social media.  And Joe doesn’t have the CT bunker background, which is like poster board quality.  This is like an actual screen image (indeed, it went dark at one point with a glitch).  I think it is strange that they always say where everyone else is at the top, but not where Joe is.  If he is in DC, a little weird that he didn’t do it live with Katty and Ignatious and the Rev who were also in DC...

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It's interesting because I've seen them interact off camera a few times at events, and their dynamic suggests a lot of mutuality -- if Mika is not actually in charge.  I don't think Mika sees their relationship as anything other than a relationship between equals even if, as the article points out, others might see Joe as being in the superior position.  But she certainly does not see their story as having anything to do with all of her sermonizing on work relationships, which is a little much -- even for me (one of Mika's only fans around here!).  

Clearly there is a huge, huge difference between what Matt Lauer and others were doing and Joe and Mika.  But, that said, some of the reaction will no doubt spill over into relationships like theirs.  And surely there are other, less high profile people within NBC/MSNBC who have had mutual relationships within the work place.  But policing these things becomes tricky.  What would have happened if Mika were not interested in Joe's advances?  (Or vice versa -- everyone seems to assume that Joe pursued Mika.)  The bottom line is that if it had not worked out, it surely would have affected or ended the show, which may have been a good thing for some but probably not for NBC/MSNBC!  

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58 minutes ago, cased said:

I’m pretty sure that Mika is wearing a ring. I can’t tell if it’s her original engagement ring. There hasn’t been a good view, just quick flashes. 

She is definitely wearing a ring today -- hard to tell if it is the original, but it still looks large and of a similar style.  All is well!  (phew -- ha ?)  

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Mika is really working hard to hide not having her ring.  I don't remember her ever spending a week covering up her hands with her sleeves or a scarf.  She kept wearing her wedding ring for a long time after she was divorced (and until the Page Six report of her divorce).  So maybe the ring got lost in the chicken coop.  

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16 minutes ago, cased said:

Interesting. I had not seen that video, but I just watched it. Mika was not wearing her ring in the video, but she and joe looked very much together, and Mika talked about looking forward to getting married soon. Joe’s dog also was wandering around. 

Maybe Mika lost her ring, or broke it?

Yes, I highly doubt they have broken up -- they have been acting very "together," including having Mika speak for Joe this morning -- they present a united front in that regard.  Joe's animals are almost always at Mika's house.  Joe's house is on the market.  I suspect something happened to the ring and Mika has been trying to hide it just to avoid having people speculate (like I am doing -- ha!).  I think they are most definitely in it for life.  

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2 minutes ago, oakville said:

It's very weird . Something happened between Mika & Joe over the weekend. They were both loopy on Monday morning.

Mika is holding a scarf in her left hand. Earlier in the week, she was hiding her hands in her sweater sleeve. 

Joe is now bragging that he knew about Lauer & Charlie Rose's philandering. He didn't know that they were predators.

Mika is opposed to workplace affairs.Joe said it's ok. This is very bizarre behavior

Mika did a FB live on Tuesday after the show and Joe was in her house, and she showed him during the video (he was reading a book by the fire, bundled up in a blanket looking pretty at home).  She even responded to a commenter during the video that she and Joe "acted like they were married," confirming that they do.  I don't think they have broken up, but something may be going on and she has definitely been trying to hide not wearing her ring.

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7 minutes ago, Chloesmom said:

Why does she have a scarf wrapped around her left hand?

She is not wearing her ring and has been trying to hide it all week.  I wonder if they have really put things on hold or something.

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11 hours ago, cased said:

This morning it appeared that Mika was not wearing her engagement ring. I wonder if this means something.

Good observation -- I think she was also not wearing it on Monday, too, which may have had something to do with why her hands were in her sleeves.  Maybe she was self conscious about not wearing her ring.  They have been very flirty on tv so I doubt there has been a change in their status, but I wonder if something happened to the ring!

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45 minutes ago, gundysgirl said:

I would have like to given her the benefit of the doubt, but she is still taking that same crazy train today. 

Honestly, there is not enough room in my house for all the vomit after listening to Mika again today. How can she not hear herself? I honestly thought that after her loony rant last Friday that someone who cares about her might have sat her down and helped her see the hypocrisy in her comments. I guess that didn't happen. 

She is getting hammered on social media, which is as it should be. 

https://www.thewrap.com/mika-brzezinski-harassment-morning-joe-regulars/

Agreed -- I thought she might have pulled her comments back more than she did after reflection.  She seemed to acknowledge that she had gotten some heat on Twitter for Friday.  And she pulled back a bit -- have an early drink/dinner, don't get sloshed, she said -- but I just think the conversation needs to be more nuanced.  I totally understand her not wanting to put her own experience into the light, but the reality is that a lot of us may have feelings for coworkers or even subordinates and make a pass (sloppy or not), and there are shades of gray here.  Mika would be better served (or at least her audience would) in the conversation by putting herself into it, not taking her own experience out of it.

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I really do think Mika has an opportunity to have a more nuanced discussion of sexual relationships and sexual harassment in the workplace, since both of her long-term relationships in the last 30 years began at work.  The reality is that many of us meet our spouses and partners at work, because we spend so much time there/share things in common.  It's a tricky thing, dating someone at work.  Mika surely knows that as well as anyone, and that refusing to socialize is surely not the solution -- so it was a very strange comment, and she probably had not fully thought it out.  I also think she doesn't want to talk about her own personal life on the show, which is a little odd given how many other aspects of her personal life she shares -- but the reality is that everyone knows that she's sleeping with someone who could be seen as her "boss," though I suspect that is not at all how she sees it (and it's also not literally true -- Phil Griffin is her boss).  Still, Joe has some power over her (they do have a difference in income, which is public knowledge/well established, for example), and that makes it complicated -- at least more complicated than she made it seem on Friday.  

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6 hours ago, oakville said:

I think this clip deserves it's own long recap . It seems that Mika's family is not as supportive of marrying Joe. I am pretty stunned that Leslie Stahl asked Mika about her previous marriage. Why didn't Leslie ask Joe about his previous marriage(s) ?

As expected, Joe & Mika denied being supportive of Trump in 2015 & 2016.

I too was surprised that Stahl pushed Mika so hard -- and don't know why the focus is always on Mika's perspective (same in recent articles).  I guess because she was the last to divorce, the assumption is she was the hold out.  Her narrative seems true but who knows about the timeline.  

I guess we read it the same -- that Mika's family is less supportive.  I wonder if that is why she wants to hold onto her house too -- for her daughters.

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1 hour ago, cased said:

Mika bought a house in Bronxville after she got divorced. This is where the chickens are.

Joe's house in Connecticut is probably bigger and nicer than Mika's house, but it would be a long drive in to NYC every morning. Hence the dilemma on where to live. Plus Joe's younger kids live in CT.

I wonder if Joe ever drives in from CT to the studio, or if whenever he spends the night in CT he broadcasts from the bunker the next morning.

Joe still refers sometimes to living on the Upper West Side, so I assume he still has an apartment there.

I get the feeling that Mika and Susan are still somewhat friendly (maybe Susan was happy to get rid of Joe), but all of them living in the same house would be awkward. Maybe Susan has moved out by now.

Mika is often in CT with Joe based on her instagram photos -- and she never is in the bunker with him (when they marry will they get their own bunker for two??).  Seems like they are together most nights based on comments about "living" with Joe, so they must be racing around all the time.  And who takes care of the chickens when they are in CT?

It seems like there are two halves of the CT house and Joe lives on one side and maybe his ex is on the other.  Would seem a little weird for Mika to move in, but I imagine that it would make more sense for them to stay near Joe's younger kids.  But enough logistics I suppose to make it more complicated.  And they clearly can't agree on the last name yet -- but Mika seemed to indicate she would consider taking Scarborough, which I thought was very surprising.  

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1 hour ago, teddysmom said:

Paul Scheer & June Diane Raphael are married and do the How Did This Get Made podcast together and at the beginning of each episode act very formal toward each other as a joke.  Maybe Joe & Mika think they can pull something like that off. 

So they can't get married next summer when the kids are out of school?  What's the big deal?  Find a judge and get married.  Maybe Dr Z asked her before he died "I beg you, re think this before you ruin your life". 

I suspect it is less an attempt at humor and more just their awkwardness.  They don't seem to want to directly acknowledge their relationship on the air, which makes sense in some ways but not really in the context of a show that has always traded on the "chemistry" of the hosts.  I thought Stahl was right to call then out on all the suggestive photos they show of them.

I think Dr. Z was on board, but I am thinking Mika's daughters may not be.

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The last couple Mondays Joe has asked Mika about her weekend, which seems a little odd -- as if they had not seen each other or spoken.  

The CBS interview was as expected except that I was surprised Mika said the wedding was on "pause."  She even seemed kind of sad when describing the "logistics."  Made me wonder if there is some issue (other than that they cannot settle on a house and last name).

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44 minutes ago, oakville said:

I don't know why Mika & Joe are not in the studio together for the past 2 days

Joe has been doing music (recording in the studio), of course, so I guess the commute eats into his music time.  He also seems to be watching a lot of late-night baseball, so I guess he needs to sleep in.  If I were Mika, I would insist he get up at the same time as me to make the drive in from CT.  (Seems like they are living together now based on recent comments in the press/social media.)

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I don't like the bunker thing either -- and I thought it was super annoying when they were both in bunkers while in London.  I think they took a lot of time off this summer to be with their kids, which makes sense.  I bet we will see more regular attendance for the rest of the year (minus holidays).   

Based on Instagram, Mika went up to Dartmouth to help her daughter today, hence her no show.  I guess Joe is less interested in showing up in person when Mika is out.  It is a long drive in from CT.  

I had much prefer some fill-ins around the table and no bunkers, but we will probably have lots of bunkers from here on out as they vacation together.  For example, some of the time this summer, Joe was in the Nantucket bunker with Mika on vacation.  I guess that is how they will handle it to try to minimize mutual absences.  Still, it is a different show when they are not actually around the table.  

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1 hour ago, millennium said:

One thing I don't get is why Scarborough and Mika are still on vacation schedule.   It's October and they're still doing the "fill-in-the-blank is off today" business.   I think they do three days together now, then alternate, each taking one day of the week off for a four-day work week.   Are you really "off" anymore when you're apparently no longer working 5 days a week?

Apparently, Mika asked for more time off this year -- she has mentioned that in some articles this year as part of her know your value stuff.  She needed more time with her father, sending her daughters off to college, etc.  Here is a recent article that mentions it at the end: http://www.marieclaire.com/culture/a12486453/mika-brzezinski-morning-joe-trump-interview/

And there is some on the impact of being "out" about their relationship and working together.  They actually sound sweet, for those who actually like one or both of them.

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14 hours ago, Junie said:

Anybody know how the chairs on their set work? Used to be that Mika and Joe were different heights when seated, as in real life. But now, Mika has gotten a higher chair or maybe Joe lowered his? Sometimes she's just a little lower than Joe but other times they look like they are the same height when seated. Once in awhile, Mika meets or even exceeds Joe's seated height. She seems happiest when she is not the smallest person. I realize he slumps around a lot when seated and manages to bend over sideways when he wants to address someone on the end of either wing of the table. That brings him way down low. He didn't have to do that when they had the old set and everyone faced everyone else in the circle. So, does Mika adjust her chair so she's sitting really high up? Can't see if her feet reach the floor. Does she just have amazing posture that lengthens her torso? Kind of distracting, but hard not to focus on this every time.

They used the same chairs for the live show, and Mika's chair is both raised up a little higher and she sits on a cushion that elevates her a little more than the just the chair.  I think her feet were at least hitting the metal rung halfway down the chair but not the floor.  

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3 hours ago, oakville said:

 

Oh my! Mika is wearing her engagement ring on the right hand. This is done by Eastern Orthodox women.

Mika is talking about killing her chickens.

I think it was a mirror image through the selfie camera and FB live stream -- Joe's part was on the other side, too.  I think the ring is on the left.  

I had been wondering how well Mika's roosters would go over up in Bronxville... they need to move to Joe's 40 acres in CT.

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1 hour ago, WhineandCheez said:

Hey COOL!!!  How did you get into the audience??  Give us some dirt!!  

I just requested a ticket and got lucky!  

No dirt -- and I was upstairs and didn't get to hobnob with them or anything.  But they were chatty between segments.  Mika was eating cookies from someone who brought them to her in the audience.  

Joe shook a lot of hands -- way more than Mika.  You can still see the politician in him.  There were lots of hugs and kisses for all the guests.  Joe and Mika are relatively affectionate with each other when the cameras are not rolling -- especially Mika.  

It was a smooth operation.  Have to say that Mika is actually keeping things in line, even when she is not actively questioning -- she nudges Joe and whispers off camera with direction to include certain folks in the conversation.  

57 minutes ago, oakville said:

I was surprised that Chris Christie mentioned Mika's odd attraction to him. Mika & Joe were friendly with him when he was a rising star in 2011 but not so much recently.

That was totally weird.  Mika seemed uncomfortable and like immediately grabbed for Joe from behind.  We were sitting behind them so could see a lot of the body language from the back.  

I know it is not popular, but I like Christie -- the man just says what he thinks.  That segment got a lot of somewhat uncomfortable laughter.