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3 hours ago, trxr4kids said:
I was just clarifying what I meant since it seemed I was unclear originally, one of the drawbacks of online discussions, no special font to signify mood or intent . : )
Gotcha!
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10 minutes ago, trxr4kids said:
Well I'm not sure because this site doesn't have a fandom faction reveal option, so I have no clue in general which posters fall into which neat little categories and which ones bisect/trisect factions. For that matter I'm not even aware of all of the factions and have no desire to be. I try not to put people into boxes and see everyone as a unique individual. JMO MMV etc.
Okay? I was simply trying to explain how perhaps @RulerofallIsurvey mistook your comment even if it wasn't what you intended. I wasn't making any kind of judgement, soI don't understand your response at all.
Agree to disagree? (Even though I have no idea about what we are disagreeing...)
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24 minutes ago, trxr4kids said:
You'll note that nowhere in my post did I point fingers at segments/factions of the fandom, I said generally with an admittedly small sample size that that was I saw. I didn't state that it was just my opinion/perception only because I assumed that was obvious, my bad.
IMO, I think the "generally attributed to" phrases imply a bit of finger pointing at factions of the fandom. Because who else is generally attributing these behaviors to either being OOC or being a dick but different factions of the fandom? But that's just my interpretation of that phrase.
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Server upgrades don't usually mean adding features. It usually just means they're running out of storage room on the current servers. It also usually means a much shorter downtime than upgrade of software or user interface, so depending on the time the upgrade is started, it could be back up before SPN even airs.
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I liked the bits of Sam with Shrike, especially in the office knowing the difference between a basilisk tooth and a gorgon's tooth. As an aside: when Dean and Sam were in the vault, I kept thinking they were calling him Shrek! I liked that the show remembers Dean's time in Hell also, but I thought the bit with him putting his hand in the stone mouth thing was overdone. Bart was a pretty good character too, but I didn't like either of his minions much. Lots of good action in this one.
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Good episode. Good, creepy monster. I loved Sam's attempts to help cheer Dean up. I love that he tried, at least. I'm not crazy about the two hypodermics now being a part of Dean’s regular toolkit like iron bars and salt rounds.
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On 11/1/2017 at 0:09 PM, catrox14 said:
This is one of those eps where the gag reel affects my viewing now. LOL
It's not a bad thing but I can't not watch the scene of Sam and Dean interviewing Scott without hearing Jared say "Look... Scott" and then Jensen laughs and Jared says "That's some bad acting" about himself. LOL
I have not seen the gag reel for this season, I don't think. Is it on the dvd? I'll have to get it soon. There are several outtakes that I admit affect my viewing of the aired scene, but this is not one of them.
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11 minutes ago, Wayward Son said:
I think Mary’s room is actually a general guest room they give to people. Castiel has also stayed in it a few times IIRC.
Although I agree they probably gave Jack a room close to Sam so Sam could keep an eye on him and to keep him away from Dean due to Dean’s negative feelings towards him.
I thought Cas stayed in Sam's room? But I admit to not paying close enough attention to that.
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On 10/31/2017 at 7:57 PM, MysteryGuest said:
I'd love to see an actual conversation between Sam and Dean where they discuss the reality of Jack. While I'll be happy with Dean realizing he's blaming Jack for things that weren't his fault, I would also like Sam to admit that he's a bit blinded by his own past, and isn't even allowing for the possibility that Jack could go dark side. They need to move forward with the possibility that either one of those outcomes could become a reality, not just one, and try to be as prepared as possible for both.
Haven't seen the latest ep, so this all may be a moot point, but I don't think Sam was not even allowing for the possibility that Jack could go dark side. Hoping for the best does not preclude preparing for the worst. (Of course, that's not saying that Sam has prepared for the worst. Most likely, in this show, he has not.)
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Not to derail the current conversation, but going back to the most watched ep for a moment: Fan Fiction for me!
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An observation I haven't seen noted in the comments, but I thought it was interesting to me:
Sam's room in the bunker=21
The kitchen= 23.
Jack's room= 22.
So, if the numbering is like streets where odd and even are opposite sides then Sam's room is right next to the kitchen. (hee!) and Jack's is across the hall.
Also: Dean's room=11.
Mary's room=15.
So Mary was just a couple doors down from Dean. And probably in a different wing than Sam's.
It makes sense to me that Jack was given a room closer to Sam, given Dean's animosity. It's interesting though that Mary was either given or choose a room closer to Dean.
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2 minutes ago, Aeryn13 said:
So, Dean killing three big names in the span of 4 episodes (or in one Season) has simply never happened.
I guess I'll have to take your word for it since I have no desire to go back and verify myself. But I think it depends on the definition of 'heavy hitter'. I guess it also depends upon whether only the 'heavy hitter' kills count towards bad-assery. I don't think so, but obviously you do.
According to your survey though, Dean did kill three big names: Abbadon, Cain, and Death, while Sam got none. Granted, it wasn't over the span of 4 episodes or one Season, but he still did get three big kills while Sam got none. So, if I'm understanding your bitterness here correctly; it's that Sam got so many in a short period of time. Never mind that 6 year stretch from Season 6 through Season 11 where Sam didn't get any big kills but Dean did. Hokay.
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21 minutes ago, Aeryn13 said:
And last Season was sooooo bad for me and the memory is still so fresh, not to mention this Season started in exactly the same way so one awesome moment in this moment is not enough to balance out the scales right now.
Shouldn't the criteria go back to the very beginning of the series in order to determine if it were truly balanced? Only counting last season seems to be leaving a huge chunk of data out of your estimations.
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54 minutes ago, Aeryn13 said:
For me they are very different things. On this show I often find the writing bad. Not just for Sam, for Dean also. His lines, if I just read them on paper? I might hate the character. I have always considered it Jensen`s greatest strength as an actor to soften up such writing, give it a little bit of a different spin.
Say for example you have an "angry" line, as written. Now one actor might think "I`ll play that straight" and screams the line at the top of their lungs to significy "angry". Another actor might go "hm, I`ll go a bit different here" and play that more understated. Maybe the second time works better.
If you have good enough writing, you can play the lines straight, if not, you gotta save them.
Now even Jensen can`t save everything but a lot of it he does. At least he does for me.
Take on the other hand Mary. I saw this recent Con panel of hers where I was very put off because she talked about Mary in a "can do no wrong" and "is right here, here and here" way. And that`s IMO also how she played the character in certain scenes. Not with an undercurrent of guilt or regret or something else than self-righteous indignation and being amazingly self-involved. That`s what the writing made her but from an actor I would have wanted to imbue these scenes with some more warmth and give it a less annyoing spin.
In short, if I had a written line, that doesn`t necessarily mean I will hate how it comes across later in the scene. That is where performance comes in. If on the other hand I hate it even more than just the wording because the overall scene makes that worse for me? Yup, that`s a real problem.
I agree with this to an extent. But as you pointed out - sometimes, not even the actor can save a bad line (or two.) It also depends on the director and his/her vision for the episode and what they allow the actor to do. Maybe the actor plays it differently than written and the director agrees they like it better and it stands. Maybe the actor tries it and the director doesn't like and makes them reshoot the scene how they want it played out. There's a lot like that which goes on behind the scenes to which the general audience is never privy.
And for me it boils down to; without the words first, there is no character. This is not a chicken or egg discussion. The words, the script, came first.
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3 minutes ago, Aeryn13 said:
If it ended up being played as a comedy, making a big joke out of the character? No thanks.
It could be done as a comedy without making a joke out of the character, imo. Of course, unfortunately, some would probably not think so no matter how well it was done.
4 minutes ago, Aeryn13 said:Because, contrary to what Sam seems to believe, Dean isn`t actually mentally deficient and his wires are working properly.
I don't think that Sam believes Dean is mentally deficient at all. I think that is a gross, perhaps intentional, misinterpretation of what Sam meant.
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I'm enjoying the new season so far!
13 hours ago, ILoveReading said:*my apologies if this post is to much bitch/jerk. It's not intended to be but since the whole episode was basically one big Sam vs Dean set up its hard to not go there.
I didn't think the whole episode was one big Sam vs. Dean set up for the following reason:
6 hours ago, companionenvy said:IAs others have said "Dean can't handle grief" and "Dean is too black and white on monsters" are both beats that seem played out and disrespectful to Dean's character growth. But this episode established for me that this isn't actually what is happening. When Sam said Dean had his wires crossed, the conclusion to that statement wasn't simply "because he is sad and Dean acts out when he's sad." Dean's "wires were crossed," according to Sam, because Dean feels an obligation to protect everyone, especially after losing two loved ones, and recognizes that he may not be able to both protect Jack and protect people from Jack. At the end of the episode, Dean more or less confirms this. It isn't that he hates Jack because he's a monster or wants to take out his grief for Cas and Mary on him. It is that he knows that if, as is likely, this goes South, he's the one who will have to kill Jack. Not Sam, him. So he doesn't have the luxury of getting close and just hoping things turn out for the best. This strikes me as comparatively psychologically subtle, for this show.
I thought that was incredibly insightful of Sam. And this part seems to be missing or glossed over in a lot of the complaints about this conversation between Sam and Jack.
1 hour ago, Aeryn13 said:Dean is probably lucky Jack didn`t take the "crossed wires" comment literally and tried to "fix" Dean`s brain or something.
Heh. I actually think this would be an interesting and fun episode if they did it. Or it could turn out not so fun and some fans would get the 'dark' Dean they've been wanting since the Demon Dean storyline.
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9 minutes ago, Aeryn13 said:
The first should absolutely count but IMO the Jack thing would be reaching. Even if Sam, who is getting most of the saves and kills these days and is super-pimped, did it, it wouldn`t be a "save" in my eyes. Jack was just experimenting a bit, there was zero reason for actual concern.
I disagree. I also think the Jack thing should count. If there was no real cause for concern, I don't think Dean, in his current mindset, would have bothered to take away the knife in the first place. but...ymmv. Dean could have shrugged and kept walking, (hey, at least he wouldn't have had to kill him himself eventually) but he didn't.
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48 minutes ago, RulerofallIsurvey said:
I'm watching. I like to make up my own mind about things, not base my opinion solely on what others have said.
Me too.
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1 hour ago, ahrtee said:
The "Stolen Valor Act" was overturned by the Supreme Court in 2012, but another one was passed that makes it a crime to lie about your military service *in order to benefit from it.* Just bragging is considered "free speech".
See https://www.cbsnews.com/news/house-makes-lying-about-military-service-a-crime/
I did not know that. Thanks for the information!
1 hour ago, Aeryn13 said:However, Cole possibly coming back hasn`t been confirmed so far, has it? Personally, I wouldn`t really mind. I don`t have much of an opinion either way on the character. I never minded that vendetta on Dean because at least it had a legitime backstory. Casting was always weird ,though, for someone who is supposed to be 10 years younger than Dean/Jensen. You saw the flashbacks of child!Cole and teenage!Dean and then you see the present versions and go "huh"? Some actors can and do play several years younger than their age - basically every teen show ever - but they roughly look the part.
I don't think it's been confirmed that Cole is coming back on the show. I thought the vendetta against Dean made sense, but what didn't is that both guys worked with him after that, and especially after he kidnapped and tortured Sam. The actor's age or looking the right age didn't really bother me so much; not as much as Mary looking older than she should bothered me last season. If Cole did come back, I have no idea what they'd have him do. Maybe it would be just to kill him off. :)
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On 8/17/2017 at 8:28 PM, ahrtee said:
Note that it's not illegal to lie about your military service, but IMO it does show something about his character.
I've gotten pretty behind reading the comments, so I apologize for bringing this back up - especially if it brings up bad memories of Cole. ;) And for the OT (possibly) question: but I thought it was illegal to lie about your military service? I can't believe that it's not! Wow.
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On 7/30/2017 at 0:39 AM, DeeDee79 said:
It gets frustrating when you try to offer an unbiased point of view
Not to get too off-topic, but philosophically, is there really such a thing as an unbiased point of view on this (or any similar) forum? After all, we aren't talking math equations, where undisputed, 2+2=4. Isn't some bias inherent in the phrase 'point of view'?
On 7/30/2017 at 3:38 PM, Aeryn13 said:Sam uses ad hominem attacks.
So do a lot of people in this thread when discussing the brothers. :/
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17 hours ago, bettername2come said:
You know you're obsessed with Supernatural when you want to buy a fictional character an almost million dollar birthday present.
LOLOL! Good one! And So True!
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1 hour ago, catrox14 said:
I vote NOPE. What is wrong with you people!???
Aw, come on! Come over to the Dark Side, Catrox14! :D
1 hour ago, catrox14 said:That would be one sick joke for Jared to play on his alter ego LOL.
If I had the money, I'd buy it and give it to Jared's alter ego as a birthday present. LOLOL!
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17 hours ago, Commando Cody said:
The creepy Clown Motel is for sale. He wants 900,000 for it, but we can probably talk him down a little. We need to take up a collection and buy the place.
I third (or is it fourth?) the motion to buy the Creepy Clown Motel!
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How The Magic Works: Episode Thread & Rewatch Info
in Supernatural
I started out to rewatch S13 as soon as it was available on Netflix - but then felt like I needed to go back and watch the last two eps of S12 to really get a feel for the season since they led directly into the S13 premier....
Which lead me down a rabbit hole of S12 eps, because then I had to rewatch First Blood for some very good reason which I've now forgotten. Which meant that then I had to rewatch Mamma Mia and The Foundry to remind me of some of Mary's evolution and well...
Granted, I've skimmed through some scenes (particularly the Crowley/Lucifer ones) but I still haven't made it to S13 yet. I agree: S12 plays very well on repeat. As does what little of S13 I've rewatched.