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    Criminal Minds In The Media: Media Liaison

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    Just now, ForeverAlone said:

    I am curious and open minded how all of this will unfold, though I hope this character's quirkiness is not as irksome and eye rolling as Penelope's. I want a character that feel "real" and not like some Manic Pixie Dream Girl (which I find gag inducing when it comes to quirkiness).

    Now that the show has FINALLY revisited Spencer's love life after seven years, I wonder what was the entire purpose of the JJ love confession boondoggle? I know Erica said it will all be addressed, and I hope the answer is a satisfactory one to justify some potential character retcon.

    I see JJ and Reid as just good friends/siblings; never more than that.

    Ironically enough, I drafted a bunch of CM fanfiction stories with someone named Max for Reid.

    Criminal Minds In The Media: Media Liaison

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    2 minutes ago, illdoc said:

    From TV Line's Ask Ausiello: Question: As filming is underway for Criminal Minds‘ final season, are there any juicy details or blasts from the past scoop? —CatPatrick
    Ausiello: Word on the street (the street being Hollywood Blvd., of course) is that Matthew Gray Gubler’s Dr. Reid will be getting a fairly significant love interest during the 10-episode swan song (which should be welcome news to those in the anti-Reid/JJ brigade).

    Also posted it!

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    S14.E15: Truth or Dare

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    6 hours ago, ForeverAlone said:

    I just don't see why this show would go down the route of even teasing a JJ/Reid relationship, unless that is where they truly wanted to go with this. I mean, this isn't a show that has made a habit of hooking team members up with each other. JJ has been married for years and has two kids. Reid harbored a crush on JJ all those years ago, but he has been pretty much alone aside from the ill fated Maeve romance. They could have written any other secret for JJ if they really wanted to have some sort of truth. But for her to whip out the secret she has been in love with Reid all of this time? To me that means they want to explore this in some way in season 15. While Reid didn't say anything one way or the other, I think he was just playing his cards close to his vest, because it's not like he wanted to confess his feelings if he wasn't pretty sure JJ meant what she said. To me, it seemed like he was deep in thought, considering her feelings and what that meant for his feelings. Even though I am very much opposed to this storytelling choice, based on what I saw, I think JJ meant what she said to Reid just based on her reactions and everything. If the writers really wanted this to be some sort of ploy to throw off crazy unsub, I think they would have had Reid and JJ laughing or joking about this. But they played it serious, and since this revelation is supposed to follow them into season 15, I think this is for real. *sighs* 

    "It will definitely be explored," showrunner Erica Messer tells ET of JJ's bombshell, explaining why they decided to explore the relationship further. "Ultimately, it goes down to the relationships that people have been watching and seeing how they’ve grown over the years. There’s something real in people who have worked together for a super long time -- certainly in law enforcement, where it’s life and death. Some people would say it’s like going to war together. You have a bond with people that can’t be defined. It’s one in times of incredible stress. We wanted to be able to acknowledge that but also be completely aware that this is going to be a bomb for a lot of people."

    When the writers came to Messer with the initial idea to bring JJ and Reid together in a more substantial way, Messer admitted she had her reservations.

    "I was really concerned about it. The writers’ room pitched it to me and I was like, 'No, we can’t do that,'" she said. "The more we talked about it as a team and the more we talked with Matthew and A.J. about it, it was like, 'This could work. This makes sense and here’s why.' It’s something that we wanted to explore in the final 10 [episodes] and allow ourselves insight into our heroes and allow them to grow from this revelation."

    One thing fans won't see is a traditional love triangle brewing between JJ, Reid and JJ's husband, Will (Josh Stewart), as a result of her confession, which, for the record, only JJ and Reid are aware of.

    "We didn’t want to play the 'will they-won’t they' or 'she’s got to make a choice.' It’s a little bit messier than that," Messer hinted. "When we meet them in the first two episodes of season 15, what we learn is they haven’t really talked about it because it’s made that much of an impact. Six months have passed story-wise and it’s time they talk about it. It gets muddy."

    "Her confessing that doesn’t mean she doesn’t love the life she has tremendously. Without giving away too much of the actual dialogue that’s coming up, she’s been defined by the love in her life and the love in her life is Will and the kids, it’s Reid, it’s her friends, it’s the work that she does," she previewed. "There are a lot of things that define people and [Reid] is one of those things to her. Maybe if she had never met Will in season two, things would’ve been different. If in another time and place... There’s heartbreak to that but you would want to know that in a friendship or relationship. It’s complicated."

    3 hours ago, Danielg342 said:

    ...but now you have to look at JJ's actions (at least) through the lens of her always having feelings for Reid. That lens says that, while JJ may have had more platonic, pragmatic reasons for having Reid in her life and in the life of her kids, there's now an undeniable track that says part of JJ's thinking is, "what if Reid was their dad?" It's inescapable now, and it was always a lingering presence, even if JJ managed to suppress it for periods of time.

    The one question this raises for me is why Will never sought to question JJ about her true intentions with Reid. The only diplomatic resolution to this issue is that Will too believes his marriage to JJ was one merely about convenience and thus never sought to really bother JJ about all the time she spends with Reid. Of course, then it raises the question about why Will and JJ have stayed together for so long even with JJ's less than 100% commitment to the marriage. I mean, this is 2019, not 1859- divorces are a thing and aren't frowned upon, so no one is truly "trapped" in a marriage.

    Except that none of those relationships are even as remotely as well developed as Reid/JJ. I don't see JJ asking Rossi, Hotch, Morgan, Luke or Matt (you left him out) to be her children's godfather or their Confirmation sponsor nor do I see any of them going out of their way to help JJ with her chores or her duties outside of work. The best they are to JJ are work friends, maybe "good friends" that she hangs out with after work or on her down time when she gets the time, but nothing close to the familial-type bond she has with Reid.

    I know JJ and Morgan were paired up often in S7 and S8 as some kind of "crime fighting duo", and JJ called out Morgan for not respecting Reid's private life, but they didn't do much except work together. JJ and Luke and Matt have hardly had any interactions together, and each time they've interacted, it's really just been for work. JJ and Hotch had a bit of a bond because both were working parents, and I always thought Hotch admired JJ, but, again, I don't believe they did much outside of work.

    That leaves Rossi and, while he and JJ have had nice moments of father/daughter interactions, and I think there's some chemistry in that relationship, I'm not really sure JJ views Rossi as anything more than an "external parental figure". I doubt JJ would seek out Rossi to hang out with or enjoy a movie together, let alone be there to christen her child.

    Then we get to Reid. I know there are those who say there are sparks with Reid and Prentiss, but I'm not seeing them. Prentiss never came across as anything more than Reid's "big sister" and she's older than Reid (Paget Brewster herself is over eleven years older than Matthew Gray Gubler). Furthermore, Prentiss is more of the "workaholic" type who pretty much puts her career over everything and everyone else and would probably go for someone with the same kind of mentality. Not to say that Reid isn't dedicated to his craft, but Reid's shtick is more about that work/life balance, where he needs "breaks" from work to stimulate his mind and get it going for work. Taking a break from work is not something that Emily Prentiss would ever do.

    As for Reid's other female ties- Tara and Garcia, as well as Ashley Seaver, Alex Blake, Kate Callahan, Jordan Todd and Elle Greenaway- again, there's nothing close to resembling the closeness Reid had with JJ. We can probably strike Seaver, Todd and Callahan from the discussion since they were hardly blips on the BAU radar, though Callahan had a few nice moments with Reid. Reid and Tara hardly ever seem to interact, and Reid doesn't seem to have much interaction (or chemistry) with Garcia outside of work requests. Garcia has a much closer relationship with Morgan, the only other well-developed, purely platonic male/female relationship on this show (even if their banter and their drama drove people nuts). I'd go even further and say that Garcia/Morgan could have even worked as a romantic relationship since I actually felt that kind of energy from those two, and not just because of the banter (Morgan camped out at her home until her would-be killer was caught- their exchange where Morgan hands her a gun will always be a highlight for me).

    When's the last time Reid slept on Garcia's couch or listened when she needed advice on dealing with her seemingly now forgotten boyfriend Sam? Besides, the few times Reid and Garcia had to work together (e.g. "Haunted"), Reid and Garcia seemed to do nothing but bicker.

    This leaves Blake and Elle, the only other two ladies who had relationships with Reid on a more personal level. Perhaps if Elle had stuck around and interacted more with Reid some genuine sparks could have been created, because I think the two had some great interactions that could have developed into a deeper and fuller bond. Unfortunately, Elle's abrupt exit halted those plans, and I'm not sure there'd be enough time in S15 to rekindle that magic. It'd also look like a desperation move too- pair Reid with her simply because he can't have JJ. There's just no winning here.

    So, lastly, Blake. She's one of the few people in Reid's life that never treated him as a "sideshow" or the butt to a joke like some of his supposed pals have done and actually seems to respect and maybe even admire Reid on an intellectual and personal level. Arguably, though she's not Reid's peer when it comes to intelligence she's probably very close and her mindset is likely the closest to Reid's, so she gets how he thinks and how he acts. She was also the one that Reid chose to break the news about Maeve, over other "more obvious choices" like Morgan or JJ, and Blake said Reid reminded her about her lost son, Ethan.

    That said...we never did see Reid interact with Blake outside of work except when Blake left the team, and I never really got the sense that Reid just saw Blake as anything more than someone he talks to whenever he needs to. He doesn't think of her when he wants to have someone to hang out with and chill with, and she's much older than him anyway. They couldn't relate to each other much with regards to life experiences anyway.

    Then there's the serious moments the two have had together:

    When JJ was pregnant a second time, who was the first to know? Reid.

    When JJ had her PTSD meltdown in "The Forever People" (an episode I'd rather forget but can't), who was the one person who did all he could to help her through her struggle? Reid.

    When Henry dressed up as a member of the BAU for Hallowe'en, who did he pick? Reid.

    When Reid was sent to jail, who cried the most and felt the most helpless about the situation? JJ.

    When Reid got out of jail, who was the happiest to see him (and first to hug him)? JJ.

    When Reid had to confront Cat about his kidnapped mother, who did the BAU send with him to ensure that he doesn't snap when dealing with Cat? JJ.

    I could go on and on and on. Truth is, Reid and JJ- especially in the last few seasons- have had a depth to their relationship that they just don't have with anyone else. Reid and JJ are not two people who will talk to each other at work or will occasionally grab a bite to eat outside of work or catch a movie together or even two people who assist each other with dealing with personal problems- they're well beyond that. They're so practically immersed in each other's lives that, if one didn't know any better, you'd think they're brother and sister, people who trust and bond with each other on a level that we rarely- if ever- experience in our own lives.

    Reid and JJ weren't just friends or "good friends" or even "best friends". They were beyond that, and, until this episode ruined it, they didn't need the spectre of a romance for that to happen.

    Not to beat a dead horse, but this episode's reveal hurts that relationship on so many levels. Most importantly it's now impossible to look at just how immersed Reid and JJ are with each other without thinking or wondering how much of that is due to a desire for both to get together romantically, as opposed to having, simply, a genuine care for each other.

    The prospect of romance leaves this air of "selfishness" on the part of both Reid and JJ (because now at least part of their pursuit of their friendship now includes the selfish desire that they wind up together) and that just leaves me uncomfortable. It's a tired and I'd say culturally toxic trope, because it reinforces the idea that opposite gender relationships must be defined by their gonads when reality can be- and should be- so much more.

    Their relationship is more brother and sister.

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    S14.E15: Truth or Dare

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    On 2/7/2019 at 5:28 AM, Lebanna said:

    The more I think about it, this is probably the only way they could have ruined the series for me short of making one of the lead characters a monstrous serial killer. I’m never going to be able to watch all those cute friendship scenes again or anything about JJ and Reid’s previous relationships without thinking- this is all a lie. 

    It ruins Reid’s relationship with JJs boys as he is now going to be the guy who breaks up their parents marriage and their happy family, or the person who turned their happiness into a lie.

    Plus the downmarket element of having an internal team romance like all the other NCIS clones. And there’s no time to go back to when this thing wasn’t going on. This starts in episode 1.

    It wasn’t even that Maeve was the only perfect woman for Reid, it was always just that he couldn’t have JJ. He was killing time with an internet girlfriend because he couldn’t have the woman in front of him. He wasn’t the proud godfather, he was the dream step-father, all along. He was in the kids’ lives so that JJ could imagine, just for a minute, that he was their father.

    Everything we have been told about these characters and their relationships has been made a lie, now.

    The entire history of the show is tainted, even if they never get together. 

    It ruins everything.

    Could not agree with you anymore.

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    S14.E15: Truth or Dare

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    I just want to know HOW Reid's mother plays into all of this.

    Can't believe we have to wait until the two-part S15 openings.

    On 2/6/2019 at 11:31 PM, Danielg342 said:

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    When the judge got the gun from the UnSub, my first thought was, "why didn't she shoot him?" What was he going to do? Shoot her back? She gets the first shot in, there's no way he would be able to shoot back. This guy really didn't think things through.

    The meat of this episode was JJ's "secret" to Reid. You know, I used to think intra-team romances were an interesting idea, but after seeing how the show executed it, the idea just isn't something I want the show to pursue.

    Not just because I don't want JJ's home life to be destroyed- I just don't see the point of it now, considering we've had ten years of marriage with Will without a hint of an issue so to pull one out now just feels like they're pulling something out of their rears for the sake of drama.

    No, the main reason I don't want to see JJ/Reid is that they've built such a nice, wonderful, platonic relationship that introducing the spectre of romance just ruins everything.

    My dad used to say that a man and a woman could never be friends. My own life experiences have contradicted that many, many times, and it was refreshing that a Hollywood show acknowledged that a man and a woman could be friends- great friends, even very close friends- and be just that, without any issues at all. The default for a male/female relationship shouldn't always be "will they or won't they bone", because, oftentimes, men and women can co-exist without feeling the need to sleep with each other.

    Until tonight, it was great to see JJ and Reid establish that kind of relationship, where the two of them can show affection and admiration and love for each other without, you know, feeling the need to make love to each other. They had a deep, close bond like the best of male/male or female/female friends and it was a joy to watch.

    This "will they or won't they" now just ruins all that, and I don't know if they can recapture the magic.

    Oh well. I shouldn't be surprised- it's CM after all. When have they ever not messed with a good thing?

    Ditto!

    Criminal Minds In The Media: Media Liaison

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    Aww! I REALLY wanted the show to go on as long as SVU, but I'm happy the show's getting a proper ending. But as they say, 'Every ending is a new beginning.' Even though I got into the show at the start of the tenth season, I've felt like I grew up with the show. At least there's always re-runs and DVD releases, right?

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    Season 14 Spoilers, Speculation, & Anticipation

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    4 hours ago, Mislav said:

    My God... I have no words...

     

    "Criminal Minds is bringing back several familiar faces for its special 300th episode — including Luke Perry.

     

    Perry appeared in the long running series back in season 4 as cult leader Benjamin Cyrus. Longtime fans will remember that Perry's character died in the episode "Minimal Loss" — but executive producer Erica Messer told Entertainment Weekly not to worry about that detail.

     

    "The plot will make sense," she said, adding that several others will be brought back for the episode."

     

    https://popculture.com/tv-shows/2018/09/10/criminal-minds-luke-perry-season-14-premiere/

    I hope so.

    9 minutes ago, mefein said:

    If you could find the words, would they be excitable words or would there be lots of #8&**$F.....:)

    Agree, I hope so.

     

    4 hours ago, Sharpie66 said:

    Given the shape Reid is in in that promo, I wouldn’t be surprised if he has hallucinations of old cases revisiting him. 

    Can't say I don't blame him. Makes me what to jump through the shape and beat the crap out of everyone.

    Criminal Minds Analysis: Profile The Show

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    6 minutes ago, Annber03 said:

    Oh, man, same. I have been refreshing TV Line and SpoilerTV all afternoon. Normally I'd be pretty confident, but today's been a super rough day across many networks thus far with shows getting cancelled left and right, so I can't help worrying a little. Keeping my fingers crossed, though. 

    Think positive,

    I am thinking positive, especially since seeing ABC clean house with their shows.

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    S13.E21: Mixed Signals / S13.E22: Believer

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    17 hours ago, mefein said:

    This season has gone really quickly.  Sneek peeks for finale looks a little more interesting.  Not sure if I'll tune in for 21.  Definitely intrigued to find out what and who this Quinn character is, but concerned also.  Concerned for two reasons - 1. because unfortunately I have lost so much faith in writers, yes even Breen if I'm honest, to actually follow through with a story and have a beginning, middle and end.  Yes this is a finale and the assumption is that there will be a conclusion to this story if S14 happens.  But what if it does not?  I'm also concerned that this story may be a totally new one, whereas there is so many strings from past season that needs to be tied up, such as this 'mole' who not garnered even a nod this season.  Does that make any sense? 

    My 2nd worry is that this might be the prelude to Reids out.  I do think that they will get a 14 although it would not surprise me if it moved from Wednesday, but whether or not Reid is even a small part of it, I'm not so sure.  Yeah MGG said he would stay till the end or words to that effect, but that was a long time ago and things change.

    If Matt is out, that would be the death nail for CM in my view.  So I'm wary.  CM that I love has been through so much over the years and really the only thing keepin me hanging on is Reid, Rossi, JJ in particular. Not sure I could deal with another original going :(

    Sorry again if people think I'm being a downer.  Just throwing my thoughts out there. 

    I agree with you about MGG; since TG and SM left, for me, he sets the show.

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