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I've seen the final two, including this one obviously, at the Paley screening a few weeks ago.. and I can tell anyone who is wondering whether to watch this episode live or not, that you NEED to watch it live because you are going to get spoiled into oblivion tomorrow by anyone who saw it. I know it's been said before, but this really is the big one (along with the finale next week, obviously!) But half the big stuff happens in this one, and the final part of this episode in particular is some of the most emotionally challenging TV you are likely to see. It's all been done really well (in my opinion!)
So yes, unmissable, and watch live if you can.. and if you can't, stay away from those who have watched it until you do! This is one of those episodes that is soooo much better to watch unspoiled.
So happy it's been renewed!! :D
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Damn, I got here too late - you've all made the points I was going to!
A very enjoyable episode, it was nice to see some actual communicating going on for once, instead of what we had earlier in the season. That said, it's clear the nihilism is a long way from dead with the encounter with Ramsé and the wrong end of his gun.
It was also nice for the team to score a "win" after so many weeks of failures and fire-fighting. This was a mission that only had a positive outcome.
My money is currently on Sam as the Witness as that would be the most heartbreaking thing for Ramsé to discover. It has to be somebody he cares about as he's been on such a crusade.
Ratings have just come out - looks to be the same as last week more or less. So it's not dropping any more, but whether it's enough for Syfy to renew, well, yeah. Another record live tweet session though, I think it trended at #4 or #5 at one point and considerably more tweets than last week, which again was considerably more than the week before.
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14 hours ago, Richness said:
Damn the feels this episode brought. We're going to pretend all the sniffling I'm doing is due to the cold I'm fighting. Loved the Groundhog Day reference. I know Kat was quoting Hamet, but the Trekkie in me was insisting it was Undiscovered Country. After all, you haven't heard Sharkspeare until you've heard it in the original Klingon.
I am so glad I am not the only one that deliberately thought she was quoting ST VI instead. Ahh.. Christopher Plummer :D
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2 hours ago, iRarelyWatchTV36 said:
Damn, it must be damned near amazing then because every episode this season (so far) has been no slouch by any means, and a few of them were really good.
Just 53+ hours until the wait is over... a little more for me, but I'm ready.
I know! I have no idea how each episode keeps getting better and better, but it does. And the ratings are starting to creep up too. I really hope Syfy does the right thing.
A little longer for me as well, but I've no intention of going through all of Tuesday without watching it - I'm going to be getting up before the children at the crack of dawn to watch it! Cannot stand to go all day not knowing and trying to avoid social media. General consensus from those who have seen it is that it is the big emotional one. It's kind of overdue I guess as last week was the first time in a while there had been much of that, yet last season had lots of it.
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34 minutes ago, iRarelyWatchTV36 said:
Even though it would give the storyline/plot a better chance to unravel a bit with more space to cover, I do wish there were closer to 20 eps a season with some shows. 13 episodes total, and then an almost 9.5 month wait from one season's finale to the next's premiere is just flat out unfair. [/whining]
The wait is awful, especially when it was three months further away than we all expected. It's probably responsible for some of the drop in viewers too, especially with a show this complex.
I'm really enjoying being able to speculate week to week. Even if I'd had the opportunity to binge watch S2 in advance like a lot of reviewers have, I would have said no. As so much of the fun of this show is not just thinking about it yourself, but talking to others as well. And anticipating. It's the whole experience!
I'm really sad there are only six episodes left :-( There had better be more next year. If people love it, they should write to Syfy on their feedback page - right now they STILL aren't sure one way or the other on renewal so anything we can do has a chance of making a difference. Especially live tweeting +/- 3 hours of the live US showings with the #12Monkeys tag. I set up a Twitter account solely for this purpose, basically - and believe me I am not the only one! There's a whole army of us (I have the same name there - anyone feel free to follow me and I'll reciprocate) and the official Nielsen live Twitter rating is increasing massively week on week :-)
Back on episode topic - apparently Titan (as seen on the tall building out the window) is a "place where the witness feels safe". Interesting!!
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21 minutes ago, dargosmydaddy said:
To show Jones exactly what it is she's playing with. And I think that to us (the viewers), he was just some random guy that we didn't quite see the point of-- which is basically the way Jones saw him, too. Because their relationship wasn't real in our (Jones') timeline. But it was real to Eklund, and I think in this episode at least, we got to see that full force. He was willing to sacrifice himself for this woman he loved. And she was pretty horrified by that.
Though I do agree, it might have been nice if Hogan got to stick around longer.
This, completely. He left just as suddenly as he arrived, but unlike her lack of real care over Foster and Spearhead, or the test subjects, this one is likely to hit home more with her even if she didn't reciprocate his feelings. Finally something to make her feel properly guilty, whereas before she never really seemed to be that affected - brief regret, maybe, but not true "what have I done?" This season she's been starting to feel more and more guilty and I'll bet this is the thing that tips her over the edge and sets up next week's episode presumably (from the previews).
I am hoping he'll make another appearance because it is Time Travel after all!
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There's a lot of excitement on Twitter about this episode, with the cast and writers saying it is the best one of the season so far, and there's a LOT of relationship stuff going on. We've been warned to bring hankies (great!) Sounds like another one to watch live unless you want to be spoilered..
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4 minutes ago, FurryFury said:
I wonder if some of my issues with s2 are due to a showrunner change (or, rather, taking that female showrunner that SyFy initially added on top the original show creators off the show). There's just something missing from the show this year, something I grew to love.
Some of that could be the change in the relationship dynamic between the main characters. A lot of people have been unhappy about it, because for them it was the core of the show. However with this episode (and apparently with the next one) that is set to change.
It's definitely a different feel to S1, but I don't love it any the less. I also binge watched S1, so to watch it episode by episode does feel quite different.
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13 minutes ago, shapeshifter said:
As counted by the network? Or by Neilson? Or...?
Both! Well, by Nielson at least, and I have heard from several very credible sources (including Mr Matalas) that yes, they ARE considering tweets.
Have a read here: http://www.nielsensocial.com/product/nielsen-twitter-tv-ratings/
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What a great episode! I'm so glad I got to watch it live for the first time ever, albeit with bad buffering, but hey.
Loved the emotion in this episode - I've felt it's been missing a bit in some previous episodes, but this one really brought it to the fore again.
Some of the plot developments (but not all) were a little clichéd, but there were still plenty of surprises and that's why I love the show. Sad about Ecklund, but it's an old trope about happiness and people dying on TV so I was not that surprised!
Some thoughts not mentioned above:
- The time marker thing after Sam's jump flipped about but did not stop on any one time. Could this mean he is in "all" times?
- I thought he might be The Witness, and I guess he still might be, but if he was then surely he would have reacted to the elements of himself when he was being kidnapped? Unless it's only physical things that react, not metaphysical (or whatever!)
- We still don't know who lived in that house from 1957-1959 as written on the wall a few weeks ago. Maybe Sam? Perhaps that's where he is.. in fact, maybe the house is where the Raritan base now is due to Progress. (total speculation, probably completely wrong!!)
I was live tweeting, and the actor who plays Sam kept liking my tweets, even whilst he was vanished. It was, uh, just a bit freaky :D I thought maybe he'd been eaten by the Internet! Live tweeting is a lot of fun, nearly all the cast/writers/crew take part and a #12Monkeys in your tweet is apparently roughly the equivalent of 50 viewers to Nielson if it's in a window +/- 3 hours of the show.
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7 hours ago, bethy said:
"Death"? Oh no. After last week's bro-fest, I'm now in fear for Ramse. Come on, show. Let Kirk Acevedo's character survive to the end of a series for once!
It's probably part of his CV. "Good at leaving series in emotional circumstances." "Bargain price as not required for entire series run" etc etc.
Let's hope not!
PS I think I've now found a way to watch it live, because I can't stand the thought of not knowing and having to stay offline all day until I can watch it in the UK that evening!-
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23 minutes ago, shapeshifter said:
Is that only Neilson box live views??
I have a horrible feeling it is :-( That said, they do count live views on their website, but you still need a cable login to watch anything past episode 3 of this season.
I'm in the UK and would love to watch the next one live (both for ratings and to avoid being spoiled as I can't watch until the next evening!) but can't think of a way to do it. Before they closed it down to cable logins, I could have proxied in (it's geolocked to US only) to watch, but obviously I don't have a US cable account.
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I wonder how the whole "I was here 57-59" (or whatever it was) on the walls of the creepy house plays into it all.. who was it who got stuck there two years?
11 hours ago, ZoqFotPik said:"That's not fair!" Seriously though if she's anything like me she has a couple of older pairs lying around. The prescription might not be perfect, but she could probably make do. And honestly grinding glasses can't be more difficult than maintaining a time machine.
True, I guess there's probably some sort of glass grinding equipment needed to maintain a time machine! It's not like having to fabricate microchips or anything..
I dropped Hunters after one episode - it didn't grab me hugely and I was afraid of getting involved in case of cancellation. If it gets cancelled early but ends nicely, or gets more than two seasons I might consider it /cynical
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Terry Matalas (show creator) posted this on another forum about s2x07:
"This coming Monday - Memorial Day for US folks - has an absolutely huge episode of 12 Monkeys at 9pm on Syfy. Not to be missed. It's the beginning of a chain of events which will drive us right to the finale.
There will be love, death. The beginnings of something beautiful and the start of something horrible. Spread the word. If you or someone you know hasn't caught up? It's time. Let's beat the drum until Monday evening. Tweet. Email. Sing. Scream. Tell the world:
Do. Not. Miss."
So I guess if people haven't caught up, they're likely to be spoilered after Monday if it's as big an episode as he claims! And of course live views are what matter for renewal chances.
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A good interview with Terry Matalas (creator, showrunner, writer and EP): https://www.inverse.com/article/16107-12-monkeys-showrunner-terry-matalas-talks-season-3-fate-and-ratings
Episode 7 is meant to be a game changer, Terry has described it on twitter with #lovedeathsplinter or something! It is also another critical one (perhaps the last chance) for the ratings so people need to watch or tweet live :-)
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On 24/05/2016 at 2:14 PM, MizArk said:
So they don't have "real" coffee in 2044 but apparently Jones has an endless supply of cigarettes. I don't know why, of all the wonderful, wacky things that happen in this show, that bugs me and my hubs so much. ha. I can't believe how much I've come to enjoy Jennifer when I found her so annoying at the beginning. And I enjoy Cassie and Jones, but I could watch Time Travelin' Cole and Ramsey as a show all their own.
The creator says that she grows tobacco herself, so I guess that's canon! You're not the first one to be bugged by that ;-)
I was wondering what happens when her glasses break - nobody else to make a prescription pair for her!
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Very, very long time lurker, first time poster!
Looks like S2 is going to end on a cliffhanger: http://tvseriesfinale.com/tv-show/12-monkeys-cliffhanger-lead-season-three/ (no spoilers)
And there's still no word on renewal. Basically the ratings are not looking good, along with the renewal chances. According to the showrunner Terry Matalas (who is brilliant with us fans) it's all about eyes on screen live - the Nielson ratings - or viewing on the Syfy website. Word of mouth. An uptick in the ratings could make a difference as apparently these next few episodes are critical. It's an expensive show, they want a return on their investment. Syfy also monitors Twitter, especially during screenings - use the hashtag #12Monkeys or #12MonkeysSyfy - there's lots of us on there!
Or write to Syfy like people here have: http://www.goldenspiralmedia.com/an-open-letter-to-syfy-save-12-monkeys
Some other recent links:
http://www.wnypapers.com/news/article/featured/2016/05/16/124709/interview-amanda-schull-shines-on-underappreciated-12-monkeys (fab interview)
https://grizzlybomb.com/2016/05/16/12-monkeys-star-todd-stashwick-talks-with-us-about-how-to-make-season-3-happen/ (another fab interview!)
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S02.E11: Resurrection
in 12 Monkeys [V]
I was at the Paley screening, and during the panel afterwards, it is ABUNDANTLY clear that Kirk is soooooo over the whole "MY SON" thing. There's a hilarious part where he begs Mr M to just "Kill the kid already" and says he will offer his "nuts" (think someone corrects him to "one nut"!) giftwrapped if he just buries him. So, y'know, it's not just us ;-)
That thing about "you're not a father" really annoyed me too. Nor was Ramse.. he was no better than a "weekend father" who just pops in and does the fun stuff with the kid and has barely spent five minutes with him. Sure, he loved the boy, but I can't believe it would be the same level as if he'd been around for the child's entire life. And he's also invalidating every other sort of love out there too.