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I'm sad that the series is over. I think it was very well done. I wish Cunanan hadn't killed himself. I would have preferred him alive and in prison. I think he's a interesting study of the human mind. True, lots of people murder, but Cunanan's high IQ made me want to know WHY he felt he had to do the things he did. I would have loved to hear his side of the story, and since Cunanan craved the spot light, his ego would have forced him to tell his story. I wonder what's become of the rest of Cunanan's family.
I hope Antonio found happiness, and that he's living his life to the fullest. He seemed like a loving and devoted partner to Versace. Too bad Donatella couldn't have helped him out, even if only in the memory of her brother.
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I'm oddly going to miss this series when it's over. Especially after reading all of your commentaries. You guys are quite good at picking up on some of the subtleties I didn't notice. For example, the sweet -vs- dark shower scenes between Andrew and David .... the former having viewed "for research," of course. ;p
I agree with the poster up thread who theorized that Gianni's petulant mood was probably a product of his illness.
I don't have the same discomfort with PC as Donatella as some of you, but then again, I wouldn't know a Spanish accent from and Italian accent from the Jamaican accent from a British accent. Lol.
I also wasn't bothered by the drugstore scene nor Flicks inconsistencies, although I completely understand why some of you were. Recently, one of those true crime shows you see on TV showcased a well known murder that took place many years ago, but not too far from where I live and virtually nothing rang of truth. The outdoor scenery, neighborhood, victim's home, circle of friends, family and coworkers -- nothing paralleled the actual victim's world. About all they got correct was the victim and assailant's name....and since I'm familiar with that case, that totally irked me! Someone unfamiliar with the story wouldn't have noticed they'd been duped, but I saw flaws and inconsistencies and so I completely understand how parts of this series could annoy a viewer.
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On 2/27/2018 at 9:44 AM, Florinaldo said:
Exactly. It was the marketing hook, a ploy some would say. It's quite understandable that some viewers may feel cheated by the actual content of the show. But they should look past that, otherwise they are depriving themselves of some worthwhile TV viewing.
My only complaint with the series is its name. I understand why they went with "The Assassination of Gianni Versace," and not something like "The Victims Of Andrew Cunanan." However, it does seem a little misleading to front the series using Versace's name when he's been so rarely featured.
Still, I would have tuned in either way. I went into this knowing the whole story, how many victims, how everyone died and in what order, and so the unraveling of Andrew Cunanan is what drew my interest. Anyone unfamiliar with the back story, or anyone only vaguely informed who tuned in for "Lifestyles Of The Rich And Famous - Murder Edition" were destined to be disappointed.
In the weeks leading up to the premiere every commercial I saw for the series focused solely on Versace with no mention of the other victims. I had my suspicions that was going to backfire down the road. It's unfortunate that some viewers didn't give the series a chance. I find it interesting, and the Madson/Trail story even moreso than Versace.
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There's a 20/20 special on right now about Cunanan and his victims. It's almost over but it will air again tonight at 11:00 p.m. EST.
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On 3/1/2018 at 8:50 AM, sashayshante said:
https://genius.com/Laura-branigan-self-control-lyrics
I didn't make the connection in the moment, but this song was a perfect choice for the episode.
Yes! Whoever chose the music sure did know what they were doing. I know there's been some indifference from viewers over the song "Gloria" from an earlier episode, but I thought the words fit perfectly for Andrew...
♫...Gloria, you're always on the run now
Running after somebody, you gotta get him somehow
I think you've got to slow down before you start to blow it
I think you're headed for a breakdown, so be careful not to show itYou really don't remember, was it something that he said?
Are the voices in your head calling, Gloria?
Gloria, don't you think you're fallin'?
If everybody wants you, why isn't anybody callin'?...." ♫:
Then, in Wednesdays episode, we hear George Michael's Freedom '90 in the bar scene....
♫...I think there's something you should know
I think it's time I stopped the show
There's something deep inside of me
There's someone I forgot to be
Take back your picture in a frame
Don’t think that I’ll be back again
I just hope you understand
Sometimes the clothes do not make the man
All we have to do now
Is take these lies and make them true somehow....♫:
Good job, to whoever chose the music!
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On 3/1/2018 at 7:02 AM, sashayshante said:
I was cringing inside watching David listen to Andrew fabricate a backstory for himself in the hotel room. You saw each emotion on Fern's face as the story went on. First, he was hopeful Andrew was finally going to be honest with him; then he was annoyed because Andrew started lying; then finally he just pitied Andrew. Man, was Cody Fern a huge find. He can convey so much emotion with just his body language.
This ^^^^^ is so perfectly depicted. Cody Fern didn't have to say a word and yet you knew just how he felt. His subtle expressions said it all.
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I really like this series' portrayal of David Madson. He seemed like a genuinely kind person. 48 hrs on ID re-ran an old episode on Andrew Cunanan and his victims a couple of weeks ago. (If interested, you could probably find the episode online. That installment was called "48 hours: Murder By Design"). Anyway, during the 48 hrs segment they interviewed someone who had worked with the real David Madson. They showed home movies, etc... and it made me realize that Cody Fern is doing an awesome job playing the kind-hearted David. I think Madson truly felt sorry for Cunanan. I think he felt bad that someone like Cunanan, who could have probably had a good life had he just applied himself, felt the need to put on a front of popularity and affluence.
I, too, felt a little sorry for Cunanan during the scenes involving his mother. Naturally, we don't know if she was really so unaware of her son's downward spiral, but it was a moment in this series where we briefly saw him as human. I think the kind-hearted David knew deep down Cunanan was depressed and lonely, and he had a hard time cutting him loose because his conscience just wanted to help him.
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13 minutes ago, jnymph said:
Good God, I'm so sorry you had to endure that trauma ! I pray you're doing well now. Bless your heart J.D.
How sweet. Thank you so much. It wasn't recent, though. It happened when I was 19, but it's always on my mind this time of year. Next Thursday will mark the 10 year anniversary. Thank you for caring.
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40 minutes ago, Glade said:I disagree--it looked to me like he realized at the last minute that he had no actual way to escape--the window was too small, covered by broken glass, and it would be really difficult to maneuver himself through it. That's certainly how I would have responded. He was paralyzed by fear and anxiety, constantly going back and forth, believing AC's blackmail, experiencing shame about what his parents would think, fearing jail, fearing Andrew, freezing and then trying to run and then freezing again. He was heavily traumatized and not thinking rationally, so no, I don't think he made a conscious choice to stick with Andrew. It is victim blaming to try to claim he could have escaped. How each of us reacts to trauma is individual and based on so many factors in our temperament and brain chemistry and personal history, so there is no "you could have."
Thank you so much for posting this. I couldn't agree more. It's easy to "woulda, coulda, shoulda," but until you're actually in that type of situation, you have no idea what you would or wouldn't do. When my ex kidnapped and later stabbed me I was handcuffed for a lot of the time, but even when I wasn't -- I didn't run. You do what you gotta do to not die. You promise them everything and look for a foolproof opportunity because you know if you don't succeed it'll be the last thing you ever do.
As for David in the bar's restroom, I agree with your theory. I think he realized he couldn't fit through that tiny window. I think he also realized he didn't have the upper body strength to hoist himself up that high.
So far, this was both the best and worst episode for me. Best, because I could relate to it. Worst, because I could relate to it.
I loved the scene with adult David having one last coffee with his dad. :(
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On 3/24/2017 at 6:18 PM, merylinkid said:
I had a long day in court today. I was exhausted by the time I was driving home. Then Wake Me Up came on the radio. I cranked it. I looked a total fool dancing around in my little car but I didn't care. I so needed that. Thank you George Michael for so many pick me up moments.
94 days after his death http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-39434127 :(
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8 minutes ago, merylinkid said:
There are some more questions that need answering. At first it didn't look suspicous but apparently the boyfriend's story is not matching up to some other things. SO they want to be sure. I would want them to keep the body too. Sure you can keep samples, etc., but what if you don't keep the right samples, or they get lost or you have to retest and run out? I get the wanting to bury the body, but George MIchael is gone. It is just a body that is left behind. HIs soul is already boogeing with David Bowie.
I pray Fadi didn't have anything to do with this. I even Tweeted my condolences to him. I'mma hate myself if he's involved. It is a little strange that he slept in the car that night, but I've been trying not to 'go there.'
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20 minutes ago, ennui said:
http://www.inquest.org.uk/help/handbook/section-2-1-your-rights-and-the-body-of-your-relative
The coroner could release the body, but it sounds like they don't want to -- maybe his death is suspicious, after all.
I'm thinking that as well, but still.... his poor father.... not knowing what's going on..... ???? If GM was 53, then his father's at least in his 70's. They need to let him bury his son.
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I know nothing about post mortem practices and I dare not do a Google search for fear of what I might find, but I have a question: Under what circumstances would a coroner refuse to release a person's body until after he's received the results of the toxicology report? George Michael's death was said to be "unexpected, but not suspicious" yet the coroner is refusing to release his body while test are pending, and they say it may not be until February or even March!!!! That's just crazy!!! That poor father wants to bury his son, but he has to wait for answers. I would think a coroner would preserve whatever tissue or blood samples he needs for testing, and then release his body to the care of his family so they can give him a proper funeral. They already missed the one week time frame as is customary in the Greek Orthodox religion, but February or March?!?!?!? --- I've never heard of such a thing.
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Poor A'kai. He's the sweetest, kindest contestant ever, but his skill set is not Project Runway ready. I love his gentleness and I hope they bring him back in a few more years. I know he got the TGS,but he's not long for this season
Hawawawawawa....whatever..... has a nasty attitude. I hope she goes soon.
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13 hours ago, Stacey1014 said:
I just turned 40 this year. Outside of Madonna and Whitney, I didn't follow a lot of music in the 80s, so Prince and George Michael didn't affect me that much. I'd listen to their music on the radio, but I didn't own any albums or wasn't a die hard fan.
I'm 28 so George Michael is WAY before my time but my mom had such a huge crush on him. He'd be on MTV and she used to tease my dad by telling me (in front of my dad) that George Michael was my REAL daddy. It was all in fun. I had a lot of REAL daddy's.....Bono, Sting, David Lee Roth, Rod Stewart . .....my dad used to laugh and laugh at all the crushes mom had....and still has. I grew up with 80s music constantly playing in the house. I know 80s music better than I know my own generations.
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12 hours ago, againstthewind said:
George Michael still has me VERY upset and I can't pinpoint why.
Me too. When I first heard, I was hoping it was a hoax. It didn't seem possible, especially because I was just thinking about George Michael back around Thanksgiving or so when a conversation I had with a friend lead me to the YouTube video of the duet George Michael performed with Elton John, "Don't Let The Sun Go Down On Me." Listening to the lyrics, I was thinking at the time how sad that song is going to be someday for the survivor whenever the other one passes away. Then, wow, a month later it actually happened and you could have knocked me over with a feather. I still don't want to believe it.
It's been said that Elton John will be singing that song at George Michael's funeral. Part of me hopes someone records it. Another part of me doesn't know if I could listen to it.- 2
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35 minutes ago, maraleia said:
Is anyone else having as hard of a time coming to grips with Carrie Fisher's death as I am? I may never get over it for as long as I live.
Tonight at 10:00 p.m. 20/20 is airing a special tribute to both Debbie Reynolds and Carrie Fisher.
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There are several online videos paying tribute to those we've lost in 2016, but I found this one to be the most complete:
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9 minutes ago, SmithW6079 said:
Does Arturo the polar bear count as a celebrity?
To me, he does. But then again, I just might like animals more than I do people.
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'Peeked,' as in, "That story 'peeked' my attention."
I also cringe when someone writes, 'segway.'
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I could have sworn I posted something here earlier about Carrie Fisher's mom, but now I can't find it. ??????
R.I.P. :(
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Going back a few years, ....but Paul Walker was my gut-punch.
Till now.
I'm in total shock of George Michael's passing. I absolutely LOVE this duet:
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I can't even believe this. So sad. R.I.P George Michael. You will be deeply missed. :(
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in American Crime Story: S02 The Assassination Of Gianni Versace
I guess I just have more compassion than the average person, but to me Donatella should have had lots of incentive to want to help Antonio. Her personal opinion of him shouldn't have mattered. All that should have mattered was what her brother would have wanted. And, if Donatella ignoring Gianni's last phone call actually happened and she was a heartbroken over that event as this series portrayed her to be, that alone should have given her enough incentive to try and 'right the wrong' that weighed so heavy on her heart.