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16 hours ago, jamblastx said:
I am sick of seeing Tom's stubble (ladies, do any of you find this attractive? Seriously, I am curious) and his condescending attitude towards Lily and how 'proud' he is of her. Was he trying to hypnotize her in bed with the 'We will fix the bus because YOU want to' bullshit?
And as far as Sonja and Nick...you know what, they deserve each other. If they are both that desperate and willing to accept partners that are clearly lukewarm at best for one another, then more power to them. Personally, I think that both of these couples are doomed within two years at the most.
Finally, the 'experts'. It took almost the entire season, but even the other new one pissed me off with the comment about Heather 'she realizes now that she could have tried more'. No, she realizes now that signing up for this catastrophe was the worst decision she has even made in her life. And her question to Tom and Lily of 'do you regret doing this show?' is the DUMBEST question in the history of broadcasting. They JUST stated how blissfully happy they are together....why would they regret it?! (talk to me in two years and I am sure that their answer will be different).
I don't like stubble at all. But Tom actually looks even worse when he's "clean-shaven." Maybe it's because his weird upper lip, or maybe it's because even when he's shaved he has a strong five o'clock shadow. And so much yes about his condescending attitude towards Lilly. I had recorded the show and just watched it today, and had to fast-forward through some of their scenes because I'm just so tired of their constant kissing, Tom's condescending behavior, and Lilly's dramatic speeches.
I also agree about Rachel. I don't like her at all. I find her sort of creepy, especially with the way she salivates over the couples' sex life. And yes, that line about Heather realizing that she could have tried more was wishful thinking on Rachel's part and totally baseless. Plus, it made it sound as if Heather and Derek breaking up was all Heather's fault and Derek had had nothing to do with it.
16 hours ago, Neurochick said:What this show proved to me is that with selective editing, you will believe any story the producers want you to believe. I noticed in the "never before seen footage" there were plenty of scenes where Nick was affectionate with Sonia, only WE didn't see them. When they were together on the reunion show, they seemed like a totally different couple than what we saw on the show.
This proves something that I have always known, everything on TV, reality shows, TV shows, the news, etc, is all edited to tell whatever story the producers want to tell. I also think Heather was heavily edited because they do NOT want people to know why she decided to divorce Derek; there had to be a very serious reason to divorce him after only two weeks.
I agree. Heather was heavily edited because they couldn't talk about Derek's weed smoking, so they wanted to make her the villain. I think it was the weed, his explosive temper and his tendency to get jealous and controlling, and maybe there was something else, too, that we didn't see. I wish Heather spilled the beans about what exactly happened.
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8 hours ago, izabella said:
No, hate stubble and hate Tom's stubble in particular. We saw him clean shaven once, and he has some weird thing going on with the space between his nose and upper lip that I think he's trying to hide with the stubble.
Yes! His upper lip is super weird (like it's curving inward or something) and it's been bothering me all this time. I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed it.
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1 minute ago, Jellybeans said:
I saw that too but think it was about something else but who knows.
I guess we'll see next week. And maybe after the reunion show we'll actually get some real info on SM about what happened after all the filming was done...
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1 hour ago, gonecrackers said:
So, they showed Nick w/o a ring in the reunion previews, & were asking him about it. I think they went to Costa Rica together, right? So I'm wondering if they're just misleading again.
53 minutes ago, Jellybeans said:I agree. I think the previews are misleading and they just left for Costa Rica.
Maybe he lost the ring? I think, too, that they might be trying to mislead the viewers (again). I doubt they would give away such information in a preview. On the other hand, didn't Sonia have some post on SM about being fooled twice?
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37 minutes ago, izabella said:
It looks like a clock someone's grandma has on her mantel. Maybe he didn't buy it, but found it during a reno of grandma's yacht interior.
LOL! I think I can imagine that. :D
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5 hours ago, LennieBriscoe said:
Good thing for Tom's bus maintenance that there exist materialists who own yachts. Heh.
LOL, that's an excellent point. Also, I think that clock is ugly and I'm surprised he bought something like that. The design on the face doesn't look very minimalist to me. ;)
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1 hour ago, Snewtsie said:
Tom gave Lily a clock to symbolize their time together. And it was big, ugly piece of junk. The kind of junk Tom preaches people don't need in their lives ...take a hint, Lily.
LOL, thanks. That's quite hilarious. :D
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4 hours ago, Paddywagon said:
Tom's found a career where he can make good money with enough to save and still have all the freedom he wants. He doesn't have to wait for retirement, he can travel and go wherever he wants. For lots of people nowadays that's the sign of success...to enjoy life as a lifestyle, not to be tied to a job working for The Man 60+ hours a week. Personally I couldn't be married to someone who works all the time. I don't think I'd be happy if I were 60 yrs old with a double garage packed with stuff I never use and a life where I can only say I enjoyed myself in 2-week increments of vacation. But the final word is people should do what makes them happy. I think Tom and Lily will have a tough time reconciling their lifestyles.
While I agree that experiences mean more in the long run than material possessions, one drawback of such a carefree life is that Tom won't be young and healthy forever, and if he doesn't build up enough of a nest egg while he's still strong and healthy, he might not have the financial security he might need in the future. A serious illness or a job loss can make a big dent in one's savings, and it's much harder to recover from something like that later in life. This might be why Lilly works so hard; because she wants to create that financial security for the future of her family.
But if her goal is to work hard so she can get rich, then yes, that's definitely not something that would fit in with Tom's personality and life goals.
Unfortunately I only got to see the last half hour of the show, so I didn't see the gift giving. What did the couples give each other? It seems Tom gave a clock to Lilly - what kind? And why? Was he trying to "teach her a life lesson"?
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^^And Ashley is actually smiling in that picture! What a rare find! :D
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22 minutes ago, Passthepopcorn said:
I'll swallow the condescending tone. If my opinion is what is called for, then I'll say that as much as I like Lily, she is leaning toward that path. It is a fact. Everybody is free to choose their goals. She is hardworking and ambitious, nothing wrong with that. Good for her. I'm going to be impartial when I give an opinion. I won't automatically put someone on a pedestal because she is a woman. They have completely different views of the world. If we are going to be picky about what is nice or not nice. Was it nice to look down on the bus and act like you hate everything in it when you know what it means to him? It was just a trip. I would never live there, I clarify. They won't live there, there's no way. But if my husband loves baseball and I don't, I won't say this game is damn, I'll sit next to him and read a book. He'll do the same for me.
I'm not on his side or her side. None of them are perfect nor the worst.
My memory is that Lilly has been very accommodating to Tom about the bus. I don't remember her criticizing the bus to him. The things she complained about in her THs were things like the bed, and I don't think that anybody can fault her for that - she had to put a pillow under her lower back because the bed hurt her back. The first night she slept there and she took a shower in the morning, something went out (was it the light? or the hot water?). The only other thing I remember was that it got very hot inside without the air conditioning. Was there anything else? I can't remember.
By the way, I grew up in a country where we didn't have air conditioning either, but now I would suffer, too, if I had to be in a hot, humid place for an extended time without A/C.
I think that Lilly has tried very hard to go along with Tom's love of his bus. She didn't chew him out when he finally confessed that he lived in a bus; when the question of the second honeymoon came up, and he kept pushing for them to take the bus, she obviously didn't like the idea, but she still went along with it for his sake. And, as several people have pointed out, she went snorkeling with him, even though she doesn't like to swim in the ocean. When he kept pushing her to consider alternative medicine despite the fact that it's a torn ligament that needs surgery, she didn't tell him to shut up. She tried to explain her point of view. She got that artwork done for their one month anniversary. She organized a surprise birthday party for him and invited his brother. I think she's been trying to be as nice to him as she can.
I don't put her on a pedestal. I'm just sorry for her because she got paired with someone who has very different life goals from her, and I think that was a really unfair thing from the experts to do. Of course, the same can be said of Tom, since he didn't get paired with a similarly free spirited person either, but I just don't know how well he explained his preferences and dealbreakers to the experts before he got matched.
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2 hours ago, Neurochick said:
I don't think that Tom needs to "grow up." The problem with Tom is, he's living the life a lot of folks live who have worked for years and have retired.
I don't get why people think there's only one way to live and do things.
I agree that Tom is living the carefree life people usually want to live when they're retired and have the financial stability to be able to afford that.
Which is fine for him as long as he's single or if he finds a woman who has the same outlook on life. But it's not fine if he goes on a show like this without making it very clear that that's the only thing he'll accept. He should have known that most women signing up for getting married this way would want the traditional married life with a comfortable home where they could raise their kids, and he shouldn't put Lilly down for wanting that kind of life.
My problem with Tom is that he looks down on people who want to live their life differently than him; he's inflexible and tries to push Lilly into doing things HE wants and the way HE wants; he's self-righteous and condescending; he doesn't accept the fact that she's a hard worker who wants to create the financial stability first before living that carefree life he wants; he doesn't accept her opinion and her decision about HER OWN BODY, and he's pushy about it all.
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19 minutes ago, lizajane said:
Am I the only one that was worried about that little dog being locked in the non-A/C bus?
Although Sonia was overdressed, Nick - is clueless. A decent shirt would have been more acceptable than what he was wearing. Maybe he thought getting ready to go out was putting in eyedrops and lip balm.
I was very sorry for the dog. I don't know how hot it got in that bus, but they just left him there all by himself and I was concerned for him.
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I don't even understand why Tom wanted to get married. Unless he stipulated that he only wanted a free spirit like himself who would love to live in his bus, who loves to surf and doesn't bring home any work, and the "experts" still matched him with someone who is not like that at all, then he has no right to complain. What exactly did he expect otherwise? Most women, when they want to get married, would want a home they can feel comfortable in and where they can raise their kids. It's not Lilly's fault that that's what she wants. That does not make her prissy and high maintenance. And as for Lilly working so much, like it was mentioned before, when you're an immigrant without some nice big inheritance to rely on, you have to work hard to create the financial security you want. Not just for yourself, but also for your future kids. Yes, Tom has the right to live a carefree lifestyle, but then he shouldn't have signed up for this show. And he shouldn't put Lilly down just because she doesn't have the same goals as he. I also agree that it's been Lilly who's been compromising. Tom talks the talk but all he wants is for his needs to be met and he doesn't care what she wants.
I think, too, that all this negative talk from Tom now is to throw the viewers off, but they will stay married at the six week mark. Long term, though, I don't think their marriage is going to work. And the sooner Lilly realizes that, the better it's going to be for her.
I don't know about Nick and Sonia. I think it could go either way, since she keeps talking about not wanting to give up. I guess we'll see next week. But OMG, more than two hours for the next episode? I think we'll be in recap hell.
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8 hours ago, Snarklepuss said:
That bus of Tom's is not set up for a passenger on long distance travel. Poor Lilly was hot and had no comfortable seat like in a real RV. When the show made it look like Tom would have to stop short because of the car that cut him off I think it was trying to make that point that Lilly was floundering around and might go flying because she really had no comfortable (or safe) place to sit.
And when he realized that she had given up sitting uncomfortably behind him and was sleeping on the couch now, he seemed to be annoyed by that. Probably because she wasn't paying him attention. Boo-effing-hoo.
Lilly should run from this marriage. He's a selfish, pushy, aggressive asshole who wants everything to go his way, and I hate how condescending he is to her. She's trying to be a trooper, but all he can do is whine because she doesn't do everything exactly as he wants. I didn't understand why the experts had even chosen him for this show, but I'm even more annoyed now that they matched hard-working, ambitious Lilly with slacker, 'my way or the highway' Tom.
3 hours ago, TVwatcher35 said:I don't think Tom and Lilly will work out in the end. He does not seem willing to compromise very much. He seems very set in his ways and his lifestyle with no desire to compromise for Lilly. Sure, he moved indoors but he was just talking about possibly living back in the bus in the future. I admire Lilly for being so open-minded and ready for new experiences. However, there is something about her that I don't like but I can't quite place it. What's up with her constantly saying she went to medical school in Nicaragua? Did she not finish before moving to the US? And how old was she when she moved? Now I'm curious about that.
I really thought Sonia and Nick would make it in the beginning. They were a slow burn but in a good way. However, I don't see it anymore. Nick and those darn dogs - that's all he cares about! I also agree that Sonia's dress wasn't very flattering. She has a good figure - she could've done much better! But I'm being too picky. She put in a lot of effort and he just wore jeans and a t-shirt!
I agree. I think Lilly has a good nature and she's a nice person, but the way she talks annoys me. It's like she has to be dramatic about everything she says.
I think she probably did one or two years of medical school in Nicaragua, but didn't finish.
At first, I thought Sonia looked nice in the dress, but then I thought the bottom part was too clingy and it emphasized her butt and outer thighs a little too much. I wasn't a big fan of the cleavage either; I didn't think it was very flattering. But maybe men have a different opinion about that. ;)
7 hours ago, LakeGal said:Just once I wanted to hear Nick tell Sonia he missed her. He could have at least told her that he missed her and realized he was happier when she lived with him. Instead he just told her it was her decision to move back and that everyone thought she should. The guy obviously has no clue how to apologize or talk to anyone he has hurt with his words. He is a jerk and she is better off without him.
Same here! I wanted him to actually tell her that he missed her. Not just keep saying that she should move back in the house. Well, at least this time he said she looked beautiful, so that was a first. But that was it; no more compliments or an effort to touch her or anything.
1 hour ago, qtpye said:Speaking of living in Miami, how are they making this vibrant place look like the most boring city in the world? Nick and Sonia were in South Beach...there have been funerals with more excitement then their night out on the town.
LOL, I agree! Sonia mentioned going salsa dancing - that would have been more interesting! I was surprised they didn't do that.
Also, about the lack of A/C in the bus: Tom is such an ass about that, too. He doesn't deserve a giving person like Lilly.
45 minutes ago, operalover said:
I think Tom and Lilly may decide to stay together but break up within a few months. I really hate this show when they keep saying "we only have one week"- no you don't!!I hate that, too. They make it sound like they HAVE TO make a decision or they'll be forced to stay together forever.
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1 hour ago, Gobears said:
"Did someone say unattractive?! He ain't ready"
"wasn't trying to punish him. I was hurt. However, I did want him to ? who he called unattractive. I was thinking #boybye"
"@nick_mafs your wife is so attractive. I like her! ??"
Thank you! :)
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16 hours ago, Gobears said:
On a different note, I think Sonia and Nick are done because she is taking shots at him on SM.
What did she say?
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9 hours ago, LennieBriscoe said:
I think Lily and Tom are done. Tom's lack of his own ambition and his irritation at not taking precedence over Lily's work will be the final nails in the marital coffin. His mom told Lily how needy for attention Tom is, so fair warning.
Nick is playing the game well now, but he said what he said. I have an inkling, though, that Nick and Sonia will opt to stay married.
I agree. I can't see Lilly and Tom's marriage work long term. He's a slacker surfer dude who wants to live in his bus and she's a motivated real estate agent who wants to make money, have a nice house, kids, all those things, and is willing to work hard to achieve her goals.
I think Sonia will opt to stay married at the 6 week mark, too. Unless Nick gets drunk again and tells her how he really feels before decision day.
7 hours ago, Snarklepuss said:Plus, the way he keeps whining in his talking heads about some mysterious "bad times" between them that somehow have never ended up on camera shows me just how high his expectations are. Unless the show is messing with us, what bad times? As far as we have been shown, Lilly has been exceptional. Tom is self centered and selfish while Lilly is a more giving person, although she is not a martyr and would not sacrifice her goals and her sense of self to revolve around him the way he probably would like her to Good for her. Even if they stay together I foresee problems.
Nick is so clueless he can't figure out why Sonia isn't moving back in. He thinks it's because she's not all-in but can't see his own part in any of it. Sheldon Cooper anyone? The motives he ascribes to her show how out of touch he is with where people are coming from. It's like he lives in his own little solipsistic pre-Copernican universe where everyone is an offshoot of his own ego. People are judged based on how well they please him and if they don't it must be something they're doing wrong. This is all that matters. Like zero empathy. Way to go, "experts", matching a guy with no empathy with a super-empath like Sonia. Not going to work, and I'm sure Sonia's gut is preaching that to her every minute of every day, which is why she's not moving back in. It just boggles me that Nick is acting like Sonia is the one that isn't invested when he flat out said he wasn't attracted to her. How invested must he be to make a hurtful comment like that? Neither he nor the experts address that outburst and what that meant about his commitment, meanwhile he's allowed without any challenge to bitch that Sonia is the one that's not invested. Plus the experts only seem to confirm that by insinuating that Sonia is the one standing in the way of things working out by not moving back in. Like WTF? Nick is the one who sabotaged things, not Sonia! After hearing her father's little speech I can see that she's not throwing in the towel to make good on her obligation. I just hope she doesn't allow that sense of obligation to compel her to stay with that jerk. I still don't even trust his motives in acting like he wants her to move in. He is so messed up I don't trust anything out of his mouth at this point.
Exactly. What bad times? That she's not giving him 100% of her attention all the time? I have no idea what he's talking about, unless there have been some fights we didn't get to see.
I agree about Nick and Sonia, too. Nobody but Sonia is talking about how much he hurt her and everybody's putting the pressure on her to move back in. I haven't seen him really acknowledge what an ass he had been; I haven't seen him tell her, not just the camera, that he misses her; I haven't seen him tell her that he does like her and does find her attractive; it's all been just "I don't understand why you're not moving back in."
I didn't really get what Sonia's father was getting at, to be honest. She needs a warm, caring husband, not a cold fish like Nick.
All three matches have been bad, IMHO, regardless of the sexual success between Lilly and Tom (but that won't last long once the real-life issues take precedence over the bedroom).
1 hour ago, jamblastx said:Tom/Lily - Just when I thought that my initial impressions of Tom were wrong, I think we are now seeing his true colors where his opinion is always the correct opinion. His comment, and I am paraphrasing, 'Lily is going to have to work at this marriage' insinuating that he is the only one working on the marriage is telling. And yeah, the reason why you don't take your work home with you is the nature of your business compared to hers.
Same here. I didn't like him in the beginning, and didn't understand why the experts had chosen him. Then it seemed like maybe he was actually a caring person, but now it's all about him, him, him. He keeps saying that he puts in 100% but Lilly only puts in 60-70%. He has an extremely high opinion of himself, and he wants to be the center of her attention and wants her to adjust to his lifestyle so they can go live in his bus and he can surf as much as he wants. Yes, you're not taking home your work, Tom, because you work (?) on building yacht interiors (allegedly), while she has to deal with clients all the time.
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2 hours ago, Snarklepuss said:
I don't agree with this. Heather wasn't setting him up for failure, she was just seeing what he would do by himself. It would have been too easy for him to hide the truth from her or minimize it if she let him know how she felt right away. She just wanted to know where he was coming from. In that sense, this whole show is a "test" after which the participants decide if they want to stay married. If the participants let each other know every minute when they didn't like something that would be absurd and counterproductive to forming any kind of relationship. Sometimes people are just reserving judgment until such time that they have the information they need. I don't think she was handing him a noose or anything, she was just seeing how much he would engage in the behavior before saying anything, which is probably a wise policy, especially if she didn't want to rush to judgment too soon and ruin something that could have been great.
That said, Heather had a legitimate reason for wanting to know the truth. Unlike IMO, smarmy Tom who deliberately and self-servingly tests Lilly to see how "materialistic" she is all because he has to soothe his fragile ego from feeling bested by her in terms of a career or whatever it is that threatens him about her and to reassert his superiority over her. Very different motives between Heather and Tom, IMO.
That's exactly what happened with Derek: as soon as he didn't like something, he lashed out at Heather. And look where that got him. But, according to him, it's all Heather's fault.
In this episode, Heather said a few times that she wondered if she'd been too rash with her decision. And, if I understood her correctly, she also said that when Derek had walked in the door for that meeting, she got some of that initial attraction back she'd felt at the wedding. So, yes, she had felt some attraction to him at first. But, again, as soon as it seemed like Heather was a lost cause, Derek lashed out.
I don't even know why they had to have that meeting. And I didn't like Rachel at all. She just felt too eager to have something happen, and her prodding didn't help. I think she just made things worse. And why ask when they wanted to get divorced? What exactly did they want to accomplish with this? Did they think Heather was going to suddenly change her mind? Or did they want the drama (which Rachel seemed quite eager to watch)?
Apparently, they won't let these two people go until the show's over. It seemed to me like that preview of Derek having dinner with a woman was a date. So now we'll have to watch Derek trying to pick up someone else?
About Tom, yes, he had to bring up the "people who want a nice car" thing again. Ugh. It's one thing to live frugally, but it's quite another to chastise others for not having the same lifestyle and same aspirations as him. I don't know why they paired someone like him with Lilly, who specifically said in this episode that she's ambitious and wants to make a lot of money. So what will happen between these two when the magic of the sex wears off?
And yes, like someone mentioned before, Tom made his sad little flower arrangement sound like he was giving her some special surprise. I wonder if Lilly thought that he'd bought her some jewellery or something. And his vows: he just changed a few words here and there. I don't think a lot of thought went into that. And still, he criticized her for not writing some new vows.
I'm on the fence about Lilly working in the car. On one hand, if she had clients in town and she had a lot of work to do, then I don't blame her and it was needy and self-centered of Tom to complain about it. But if she was supposed to relax and wasn't supposed to work while they were driving, then I can understand his frustration. But she did go to the beach with him and did try to do something that he enjoyed, and he should give her credit for that.
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2 minutes ago, psychoticstate said:
That was (surprisingly) Ashley and David from last season.
And yes, MAFS has an agenda and they elect what narrative(s) they are going to show.
Oh, yes! You're right; it was Ashley and David - and yes, surprisingly! :D
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1 hour ago, wings707 said:
I don't think they film this much. It is a low budget production and I think they set up the scenes they film. They ask about the issues they are having and film that ad nauseam. HD was set up as are other "normal" moments. Why would they choose to go to HD to buy things for an apartment/houise they will only inhabit for a few weeks.
I think the participants said before that the crew are always there, following them around, and it's hard to get any privacy. I forget which couple it was (could have been Sean and Davina?) who said that they had gotten into the hot tub in their hotel room to get away from the crew and that's where they ate and talked. Does that sound familiar? I have this impression that somebody had said that. If that's the case, then they do have hours and hours or footage, it's just that the editors decide which parts to show us.
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6 hours ago, Neurochick said:
I think you mean "she is his wife."
IMO I can't believe that any sane person would go on a reality show seriously thinking that they could find true love. And this reality show isn't even on one of the "big four" networks. It looks pretty low budget to me.
As for her non profit, she always mentions it on her Twitter page. Sure would be actors are human, but I doubt most of them would go on a reality show to find love. If anything, they go on a reality show for their 15 minutes of fame.
I wouldn't say this if this were a REAL experiment, but this show is about a real as a $3 bill.
As for Heather, I am more sure now that Derek tried to put the moves on her, on the honeymoon. Heather wasn't having it because he's a stranger; I mean sure they're legally married, but why should Heather sleep with a guy she barely knows? I think Heather is over the show and is only sticking around probably because of the contract she signed. I knew she was done when they showed her going to work, right after saying she wanted a divorce. I'm sure she's figured out this show is fake.
Oops, thanks for pointing that out - I meant "He is her husband."
I would never do a reality show, and especially not MAFS, but I can actually imagine that some people might think that it could help them find their "perfect match" - especially if they don't know much about the failures of the previous seasons.
I don't do Twitter, so I haven't seen Sonia's posts, but I don't think that mentioning her non profit, which, apparently, is for a really good cause and is not a money-making business, on Twitter is the same as trying to advertise your own business or a business you work at as a sales person. She doesn't benefit financially from it; if anything, the foster kids might benefit from a little publicity, and I have no problem with that.
I agree about Heather. It definitely sounded like Derek wanted to put the moves on her and she turned him down. I wonder how nasty he got after that.
2 hours ago, gonecrackers said:Tom concerns me, & Lilly seems insecure. He seemed to me to gaslight her when she was expressing concern about him not wanting to discuss any future plans so he may want to leave her, so he told her she needs to work on her abandonment issues, or something like that? That really bothered me. I think she's right in that he has commitment issues & she has a right to be concerned, but she also can't worry about that all the time because there will never be ANY guarantee with anyone she is with that they will never leave, or hurt her enough so she may want to leave. It's just part of how people are unfortunately; we hurt each other. I feel for Lilly that way, but I hope she can get stronger to be able to handle whatever happens with whomever in her life.
Was it weird to anyone else that Tom talked about breaking up with his ex because she wanted a future with him, & he said they had too many issues to talk future plans, yet right after he signs up for this show to commit to another woman he knows nothing about? Rather, odd, no? I'm just not sure about him. I do like that he cleans though.
I noticed that about Tom, too. Instead of realizing that Lilly maybe has a point, he turned it around as if she was the one who had some issues she needs to work on. I don't understand why he can't tell her that he does want kids in the future, just not now. I think that's all she wants to hear; she doesn't want kids right away either, and in his TH he did say in a previous episode that he wants kids (though later he seemed much more negative about it). Did Lilly say what other things she wants to discuss with him about their future plans? I don't remember. I definitely don't blame her if she wants to find out whether or not this man she married wants to have children or not. They just need to talk about this in general terms; I don't think she wants to make detailed plans and a time table right now. (Maybe the other thing she wants to know is where they'll live... ;) ) If her concern is about Tom leaving her just because her father had left them (though she was already an adult when he did), then yes, she needs to realize that we can't worry all the time about what may or may not happen in the future.
And yes, Tom couldn't commit to his previous girlfriend, for whatever reasons, but then he went ahead and got married to a woman he'd never met. And he still has commitment issues, and I don't think he sees anything wrong with that.
In the beginning, I was afraid that he would be able to manipulate Lilly, because she's so young and she seems to want to please people, but I'm glad to see that she can actually stand up for herself and let Tom know of her needs. So hopefully he won't be able to gaslight her and manipulate her after all.
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11 hours ago, Neurochick said:
I don't think the producers did anything; I think it was all Nick and Sonia, remember she used to act but gave it up to start her non profit.
I don't feel, "oh, poor Sonia and mean Nick." They don't even know each other. I mean would Sonia burst into tears if some random dude said something nasty to her? I consider Nick a random dude, I mean it's not like she's in love with him. It's one thing if you are in a serious relationship and the guy says something mean, sure that will hurt you, but Nick is just some guy the show matched her with. After this show is over she might never speak to or see him again. This is fake, Sonia and Nick are there to push their brands. The end.
Nick is not a random dude. He is her husband, even if it's just a reality show marriage, and, apparently, they'd had sex before. So to hear him shout that he doesn't like her and doesn't find her attractive? I don't see how that couldn't have hurt her. And I think she did like him before, and wanted this to work. Just because she used to do some acting doesn't mean that her only reason for doing this show is because she wants an acting gig. Would-be actors are humans, too, and they want to find love, too. And I haven't seen her hawking her nonprofit organization, so I'm not sure why her working for a nonprofit matters.
9 hours ago, Empress1 said:Maybe. I have. I've been getting harassed on the street since I was eleven years old (early bloomer), and I can think of a number of times I've cried over the things men - strangers - have said and done. Not every time - as I said, it's been happening for many years now, so you do develop a thick skin, but when it's been particularly egregious and/or I've felt afraid for my safety, yeah, I've cried about it. (Never in front of the harasser though.)
Also, when you feel like something is promising and then you learn that it isn't, it stings. (Not just romantically, either - e.g. a job interview that went well for a job that you were excited about, and then you find out you didn't get it.) It may not cut you to the quick like your spouse of 20+ years walking out on you, but when you're interested in moving forward with someone and they tell you they're not interested in continuing to know you, it's like a paper cut. Minor injury and something from which you can recover quickly, but it hurts nonetheless. It's not just people that you know well that can hurt you.
I laughed at that. Big, no, nothing will change that. I have big feet too, and hands. I'm tall, big hands and feet run in my family, it is what it is. [shrug]. Hairy, he could change if he wants to, although the idea of shaving one's feet sounds weird to me. I guess it's no weirder than shaving any other part but it sounds weird. Dirty? Yeah, that can and should change daily. Wash your feet, Tom.
Re: whether Nick and Sonia keeping sex a secret is producer-driven ... I'm more cynical than most people, I've worked in media, and I watched a season and a half of UnREAL, but also ... Occam's Razor. I think Sonia probably didn't want to blast her sex life on TV (if I recall correctly, Vanessa was sheepish about admitting it too), asked Nick to keep it on the low, and since Nick is passive in general, he went with it. It seemed to me that he admitted they had sex after he knew that Sonia had admitted it.
I agree with all this.
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Nick is such a liar. When the pastor asked him about the fight, he tried to present it as if he'd just said something innocent and Sonia misinterpreted it and only heard what she wanted to hear (that he's not attracted to her). I think he's the kind of person who never takes responsibility for anything and tries to weasel his way out of everything. Similar to how, at the wedding, his mother asked him if he'd told Sonia that she was beautiful, and he said yes, even though he hadn't. Always taking the easy way out. And, like others have said, "I'm sorry if I hurt you" is not an apology. He did hurt her. He should have said, "I'm sorry that I hurt you."
Interesting, though, that they've been denying having had sex because Sonia didn't want to let people know. At least, it seemed like that's why he's been denying it, too (I guess they agreed to do that). Even more interesting that Sonia is missing the dogs and maybe now she wants one!
Oh, and one more thing: again, the experts paired these two to "help" each other! Groan.
I agree about Heather and Derek: enough already. But I guess they have to fill out the show somehow. Also, some have speculated that Derek might have come on to her and she spurred his advances, and that was definitely how it seemed tonight, judging by what Heather said. It seemed like that was one of her big issues.
It was nice to see Tom doing housework! I still don't like him very much, but yes, he's the most normal out of the three men!
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13 hours ago, Snarklepuss said:
Surgery is no joke. One of the reasons I haven't posted since Wednesday is because I broke my right and dominant arm when I fell in the parking lot walking to my car as I was going out to lunch from work. I ended up in the emergency room and had surgery. I had never had surgery before nor been put under general anesthetic. Now, I am much older than Lily however after having been through this experience I can tell that it is not easy for anyone. You end up knocked out on drugs and in pain with limited mobility. The only reason I can type this is because of talk to text technology. If just breaking my right forearm is this bad I can't imagine that shoulder surgery would be much easier.
Oh, no! I'm sorry to hear that. Get well soon! I hope you'll have a speedy recovery.
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S04.E15: MAFS Season 4 Reunion
in Married At First Sight
I agree with all this. And LOL, yes, Rachel's demonic smile - I think that's one reason why I find her creepy.
I don't get it either why they keep talking about how hard marriage is and how much work it is. What's so hard about it? Showing consideration to your spouse? Not being a selfish jerk? Spending time together?
I guess for Tom it's giving up living in his bus.