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Just finished watching. I actually fast forwarded through most of it. I really don't care about Tom and Lily. I just wanted to see Nick and Sonia. I honestly just think Nick is awkward in front of the camera. And I think they genuinely like each other. But I don't understand this format. Why did it have to be so edited?
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I will come to participate here. So that means I have to watch.
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6 minutes ago, Drogo said:
There is definitely visible Sonia->Nick chemistry, and while he's less obvious on camera they did have sex on multiple occasions so there is some Nick->Sonia chemistry. I give no weight to that junk he said about not finding her attractive because of the context of the argument. I also speak Man fluently. English to Man translations below, in italics.
Background: Sonia talks to her friend who tells her that her past relationships have failed because she hasn't communicated herself well; Sonia interprets this suggestion as "Let's go tell Nick how much his communication sucks while I sit in the least 'open' way possible: arms and legs crossed in front, holding a pillow in front of me."
Sonia keeps telling Nick to "Open Up!" a phrase he hates and she apparently knows he hates. (She knows I hate this and keeps saying it, so she doesn't care about me.) He tells her to stop saying that and be more specific and she says "Open Up!" three more times. (She isn't listening to me.) He tells her that deep down he feels like they shouldn't have to talk about their feelings and they should just go with the flow, she accuses him of being so defensive (She's saying I'm guilty of something.) He tries to leave the room and she tells him he's doing the thing she does that he hates (Now she sees why I hate it.) and a producer shouts at him that marriages take work (Now everyone's blaming me, I'm being ganged up on.) Since he can't remove himself from the situation without producers scolding him, he says something extreme to make it end.
I called BS on a producer getting involved with and taking sides in their argument, and handicap his reactions by 150% because he was drinking and it was a terrible time to talk to him. IMHO, biting when cornered does not a bad dog make. And saying a mean thing about Sonia when he's cornered doesn't make Nick an abuser or emotional powderkeg.
I agree with this entirely. I mean how many of us have said awful things to our partners and been forgiven? I know I have!
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Well this was anti-climatic. I think the most un-shocking part was the monotone "I want to stay Married" part that Nick said - and then the not even kissing after the decision was made. I wonder if Nick slipped her a thousand before the decision and said "I'm going to try to save face cause I looked like a total douche nozzle before. So take this money - say you will stay married and then I don't look like a jerk. Then you can go make more sandwiches"
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8 hours ago, Evil Queen said:
Welcome. As I said before I think SM isn't a good way to know if they do or not stay together. I think most of it is set up by the show so they have pics to post on SM to throw people off. The house they have been living in is Nick's rental. I swear I get sick when I hear Sam's name. UGH She is one of those that was hoping for more from this show and such a nasty selfish person. Thank you for sharing what you saw on SM too. I don't use SM at all so I am glad for those that post what they come across here.
I don't know - Sean and Davina's SM was CLEAR they didn't work - and Jessica and Ryan was the same thing. Last season they got tighter on SM. So it was harder to tell - but it was clear Ashley and David were over - but it was obvious on the show. However - Sam did mislead everyone and post photos of them together to throw people off - and people believed it. So I think the show and the cast are getting better with manipulating it. However, I do think it's telling if people are still together or not and the words they choose. I don't think Sonia and Nick are together.
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27 minutes ago, Gobears said:
What spoilers on Tres's Twitter?
Neil, Sam, and Tres were down in Miami. there was footage of them hanging out with season 4 cast. Tom and Lily were there, and in one shot - they are sitting very close together with her leg pointed in to his legs. Derek was also in the video. Nick's dog made an appearance - but neither he nor Sonia were in the videos.
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I've been a long time viewer and participant in the forum - I've been here since season 1. I did a lot of investigative work in season's 2 and 3. but this season has me less than interested. I don't even watch the shows. I just read what happened in the episode on the main page or US weekly. This season the cast is REALLY boring to me. I also don't like the experts and their advice is very much directed to help themselves vs the participants. If I went with my gut and spoilers I have seen on Tres's Twitter from a few weeks ago - I would say Sonia and Nick split and Tom and Lily stick it out. I have absolutely no hope for Tom and Lily long term. Tom needs a hippy chick that doesn't care about income, career and is a free spirit. Lily needs a man that can match her career ambition -because she's been clear she wants to be a stay at home mom once she has kids. I highly doubt Tom can provide the stability she yearns for
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2 minutes ago, Snarklepuss said:
I wouldn't find him pretentious if he didn't put other people down in the process, esp. Lilly for her choices. That's what bothers me about him. If he was that sincere he wouldn't constantly make references to others' (i.e. her) so-called "materialism". I don't care how sincere he seems, a lot of that IMO is because the sex is good. Once that wears off a bit ask me again.
What I saw was a guy that wanted to spend time with his wife, and she was working and not paying attention to him. I have no idea what the agreement was with them ahead of time - but it appeared they were going to spend time together. I can see where he would be upset. In fact I use to do this all the time when I was still working. My husband would constantly have to remind me to put the phone or laptop down because it was not time to work - it was time to spend with him. I realize she is a realtor and needs to work odd hours and doesn't have a traditional 9-5. But they can and do take breaks. I think all he wanted was for her to take a break. I don't think he likes her just for sex either. He seems to genuinely care for her. I think he's made a lot of compromises for her. I actually like him as an individual on the show. :)
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Tom - to me - seems like a free spirit and lacks interest in material possessions. It could be he doesn't want to grow up - or it could be it is what he believes. I don't get any pretense at all from him - whatsoever. It's his choice. I think he seems the most sincere of all the guys they have had on this dang show - next to maybe Jason and Doug. At some point he will either figure out he needs to work more consistently or he will just keep being a gypsy. Lily will either embrace it or tire of it. It would not work for me. But to each their own.
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I thought there were lilies in there and that is why she was happy :)
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I actually thought the flowers were really sweet. I don't think he is the type of guy that would spend a lot on flowers. And she seems to be the type of woman - as am I - that loves the gesture not the gift. I don't think there is anything wrong with "gas station" flowers. It's the sentiment that counts and clearly he was thinking of her :)
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So last week I kind of glazed over the episode because it really feels like this season is dragging. Without a third couple - it's a lot of time to spend on two couples that I'm not all that invested in. That being said. I totally support Sonia not being in the house. It seems that Nick is actually making more of an effort with her not there. He seems more interested and invested, and I don't blame her for not wanting to be there. No woman should have to be a place where she does not feel safe either physically or emotionally. What he said was very hurtful, and in a dating relationship could have ended things on the spot. For the experts to be pushing for her to move in serves more for their own motives than for the couple. Couples separate and move out all the time. People sometimes DO need space. That doesn't mean it won't work - it just means they know they need time to sort through it. Sonia seems thoughtful to me in that she doesn't want to be bitten twice by the snake. I get it! It's easier for him to try and Woo when she isn't there. MAKE him want you and miss you. You go Sonia!
Tom and Lily. She is very, very young. I can understand her ambition - I was the same way at her age. But My hope is at some point she does realize that working and being with your significant other should not be done at the same time. Tom seems very patient with her and I think overall they are a good match. Her gift was incredibly thoughtful to him.
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Did anyone watch unfiltered yet? It's up on FYI app. And Nick clarifies that he meant to say that he was not attracted to her over emotional and dramatic personality. He said physically he found her attractive but her constant need for conversations beyond the basics of "how was your day" was often too much for him....So he married a complete stranger and got annoyed when said stranger wanted to get to know him....OH THE HUMANITY!
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5 minutes ago, Jellybeans said:
There must be a reason they keep showing us Heather and Derick.
In an interview with The Knot I think it was - Derek said they were under contract to film for the full 6 weeks so they had to film regardless of the outcome.
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This episode was really exhausting. I watched it online and thankfully was able to fast forward through 90% of it - to get to the drama.
So from what I am understanding - Nick pretty much lost interest in Sonia after the way she handled herself during conflict. He didn't like the way she reacted and thus it made her less attractive. I totally understand that - and her whiny voice most certainly can't help matters. But to go from 0-60 so quickly just seems off. It appears he's just completely done and there is really no going back. It's not easy the way he wanted it to be. Which makes me believe he's likely never had a long term relationship because anyone that has been in one knows they all require work and have ups and downs. I would also be at my breaking point if I were constantly prodded to open up - but IMHO I think he really went over the edge. It was clear in earlier scenes - like when she was just sitting with the dogs on her own and he was on the computer - That he had already checked out. So he apparently poured some liquid courage and let her have it. It is unfair to Sonia - but with the way he was ignoring her I'm not sure what she was expecting from him. I can't see them recovering from this.
I can't take Pepper seriously when she talks to Heather and Derek because she reminds me of my aunt. All I see is my aunt and I giggle every time and then the whole she's been married herself 3 times doesn't bode well for me.
Lily and Tom were far less annoying this week and I do think their relationship looks very effortless. They seem to really like each other and are thoughtful with one another. I think they are both emotionally mature. I think Nick and Sonia are emotionally stunted which makes for a mess.
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I can't see them having any intimacy, and why would they continue to say over and over again the TH that they had not had sex? I don't understand that part at all.
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The full 3 minute clip of their fight is up on FYI app. I watched and Nick is very drunk when he is going off. He tells Sonia he doesn't feel anything after 4 weeks and that he should feel more by now. She asks him not to be so shut down and he goes OFF. Pretty much says he doesn't like her, isn't attracted to her, and shouldn't have to pretend he is - then goes outside. Sonia then immediately goes to the bedroom and starts packing her bags and she leaves. I have no idea how he will rebound from that - like she said to "wait and see". Truth be told he's a total jerk.
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Just spent some time on Sonia's twitter. She said that the words Nick said at the time hurt - but they were only words. Man she handles herself really well!
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I agree with whoever said it - that Sonia isn't necessarily clingy and insecure but rather his behavior makes her feel that way. He's not giving her anything and she knows that. He assumes she is in to him. But she rated the marriage a 5 where he said an 8. Clearly she is not happy with things. She doesn't like the dogs, doesn't like the way he communicates and isn't really happy with the fact that she walks on egg shells around him. It seems like she was raised to be polite and is polite. She's trying - the way the participants should try. Like how David appeared to be desperate around Ashley. He was just TRYING. Nick is shut down and his total coldness is making her feel not only insecure but probably doubtful about his intentions which is why she keeps probing him.
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32 minutes ago, BunnySlippers said:
Wow. So not only is he not attracted to her, he says he doesn't think she's attractive. Which would be fine if he hasn't been lying about it until now.
Thanks for the link, SaucyMommy!
He also said he didn't like her. What is this grade school? "I don't like you" "I don't want to be your friend". He's an asshat.
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9 minutes ago, humbleopinion said:
Nick just got fed up with the badgering from the producers and he snapped.
He probably thought he could put up the charade longer but hit the wall 3 weeks in.
"Open up" was code for "admit to the truth that he wants no further physical relationship with Sonia."
Nick does not like confrontation so they broke the camel's back with that last plea to express his feelings.
When Sonia and crew implored him to "open up" one too many times he went ballistic.
His over the top yelling was to get his point across, calm Nick was measured, yelly Nick was out of control.
Sonia is hurt but it confirmed what she knew all along.
The elephant in the room was finally acknowledged.
I agree she knew he didn't like her. And I honestly don't think she really liked him that much.
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the full video of him going off is now on their Facebook page. Someone on there said Sonia confirmed via IG that this really isn't edited out of context and he did say he didn't like her and wasn't attracted to her.
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I think everyone knows it was weed. But why they couldn't say weed is beyond me. Maybe it's a network thing? I know in the second season Ryan D did cocaine and it was what caused a lot of the blow out fights and it was never brought up either.
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4 minutes ago, BunnySlippers said:
Exactly. In an earlier thread I mentioned that if he's a pot smoker, that would be bad for her job because of the drug testing I'm sure they have to go through. And if there are dogs involved in that, they could smell the pot on her clothes even if she didn't smoke it herself. So, to me, this just confirms that. And this is what a lot of us have been suspecting: that there were things she couldn't talk about on camera, so she came off as the bad guy in all this.
I think in this case there were things they could not show on TV. It's one thing to film one of the participants yelling at their spouse, but it's quite another to show someone smoke pot on their TV show, in which they were supposed to filter out people with issues like that. And maybe there was something else, too. Heather's post certainly alludes to that.
I agree with you that she is coming off worse than she is. I actually was on her side that I thought it was tacky for him to be smoking after just meeting her. I mean they were there to get to know one another - not party. And he seemed to take the first few days as "vacation" mode. Which in reality it wasn't.
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S04.E15: MAFS Season 4 Reunion
in Married At First Sight
I agree. I think Nick genuinely cares for her. And he doesn't strike me as a guy to stick around for the sake of sticking around. I think they have a good balance in their personalities, and some couples are more private. My husband is an introvert, and very quiet with strangers. I can only imagine how he'd be on camera! He also isn't big in to PDA nor am I. Some couples just prefer to be more private - and that is ok!