Gianthambeast
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Really late to this party but just finished binge-watching all three seasons-- loved it. The humor is the main attraction for me-- hilarious writing. There was an article in Slate a while back where an ex-con criticized the show as "unrealistic" one of the complaints being that the characters were all "horrible people," and "dehumanizing." I disagree though-- the charm of these zany characters is that almost none of them are completely good or completely evil, in other words, thoroughly human.
General thoughts on Season 3
Love the Time Hump story arc--- it cracks me up the way it reminds me of people talking about the latest episode of Game of Thrones.
Really like the Tucky and Boo friendship-- two characters that I loathed at the beginning are now two of my faves
Sick of the Daya's baby storyline, but I guess that isn't getting resolved any time soon.
I hope they kill off Alex-- never liked her. Fast forward any time I see her.
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I haven't watched this in weeks and I turned it on. Aaaargh my. freaking, eyes. Abby needs intensive therapy stat. Run girls don't let her pull you down with her!
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Wow. Way to objectify women, guys. It's like they are talking about cuts of meat. Disgusting.
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Nice to see someone willing to speak the truth, instead of just spouting party talking points. Palin, take note:
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No words. These two have sold their souls.
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But where does one draw the line? .
Westboro Baptist Church? Clansmen claiming that a burning cross symbolizes the light of Christ?
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Sorry if this post is OT, but I had to get it off my chest. I hate Got-hard so much. I feel like he built a "religion" around his own sexual fetishes-- like at some point in his life he was rejected by a woman with long wavy tresses, a jean skirt, and sandals, and his goal became to reproduce this type of woman in every one of his female followers . Add to this his weird bondage fantasies of this woman NOT ever being able to reject him but totally submissive, pliant, and gazing up at him in perpetual adoration, and all his bullshit injunctions about the female "countenance" really begin to make sense. He then covers this misogynistic mess with a dubious patina of scripture and voila--ATI is born! I don't think it's a coincidence that a lot of guys in this cult are Men's Rights advocates. For them Gothard must seem like a godsend-- a charismatic leader who has codified all their male fantasies into a pseudo-religious doctrine that masquerades as a path of virtue, rather then the enactment of a perversion.
I mean, look at Blob-- the only way he could gain "mastery" over a bunch of women is to use Gothardite mental coercion...
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If TLC made it a condition to getting the show back, I wonder if Boob & Me-chelle - and Josh - would actually sit down for an hour with Lester Holt, or Maria Shriver, or Diane Sawyer, or any serious journalist, for a real interview. Live, no pre-approved questions, no $$ for video or photos, no editing rights - nothing. Every atom in my brain is screaming "No way! Are you nuts?" But at the same time, I do wonder if Boob could resist the temptation...
I wish Lisa Ling would interview them. No way she'd play softball.
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I can just see this bullshit going down in my mind's eye. Megyn Kelly asking questions like:
"How has your faith helped you in your crisis?"
"How has adversity brought you together?"
"Do you feel attacked for being Christians?"
"Do you think this is a backlash on conservative values?"
"Tell me what you think about the power of forgiveness?"
"Do you think the government is too quick to interfere in our personal lives?"
"Do you think this is an attack on homeschooling by liberal elites?"
"Do you think this media frenzy is the result of militant feminism?"
Basically her questions will be cues for them to babble their Gothard script and spin this around to being part of the "war" on Christianity and conservatism. Michelle will do her best dry-eyed cry, as Jim Bob sits there with that vapid smile glued to his fat, red troglodyte face. The word "incest" will not be used, nor will Blob's death penalty for rape and incest campaign platform be mentioned. Oh and forget about her bringing up all those hypocritical statements about gays and trans-people being potential molesters. I'm also pretty certain that Matthew 10:22 will be quoted at some point.
I know it's wrong of me, but how I wish the Lord would smite the three of them (Molester, Mullet, Blob) and Bill Gothard.
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Someone mentioned this before-- I would only watch a "breaking Duggars" type show about the older kids leaving Gothardism. I agree with everyone who said that Ben, Jessa, Jill, and Derrick are pretty boring all by themselves. A show on Jill and Jessa trying to navigate a brave new world and trying to get proper jobs and educations would be interesting to me though. I don't ever want to see the fat, smug faces of Blob, Mullet, and Josh again. Go. The Fuck. Away.
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Fox News--maybe that can be their new Station once TLC dumps them. /sarcasm
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Dr. Drew discusses ATI material
Sorry if it's redundant. I want this Gothard shit to get blown to smithereens.
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So am I. But I'm finding telling them to remember whose comments for their final Judgment and asking if they'll be saying all of that to their Lord. They don't seem to comment after that.
Re: Josh apologists citing the text: "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone..."
Except that until they were exposed Blob, Mullet, and Josh had been casting stones at others all around them. If they had followed this Christian teaching to begin with, maybe the backlash wouldn't be this severe now. Man, sorry if I've said this a million times already, but I don't get why some Christians want to defend this guy. I get that they're defending the doctrine of forgiveness, but can't they defend that without being Josh apologists? I honestly don't know if he's been forgiven by God or his sisters-- it'snot for me to know, but I do know he evaded the earthly penalties for his crimes, and knowing what he had done, MADE A CAREER out of casting stones at other people who purportedly had the potential to be molesters, though they had done NOTHING. Where is the Christian outrage at the duplicity, and the grossly Pharasaical nature of this whole Duggar circus? They have been flouting Christian teaching left and right. I just don't understand it.
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But do you really see the Duggar girls working at those places after all of this?
I'm actually hoping they'll get the money they earned from the show and their book to make a new start with. The older girls and the little ones are really what people tuned in to see not Blob and Mullet. I don't know if that tight-fisted bastard would give the kids their earnings without a lawsuit though.
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What I do know is that some very liberal people I know (and I consider myself very liberal and don't identify as Christian, btw) are "gleeful" as they put it about this whole situation. I am concerned about the victims and them suddenly being out of a future and an income and being humiliated....the people I know don't really care because they are "bigots."
No, I get what you're saying. Anyone using this to score political points is misguided and needs to remind themselves about the women who have been victimized. I think most people talk about the anti-LBGT comments made by Duggars because of the galling hypocrisy of it all. How can you call out someone else as a potential molester when you yourself know that you molested your own sisters?
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You have a right to your opinions and you seem to express them in a rational way...but. If you believe the reasons some wanted to see the Duggars exposed ,are as simple as them being uber religious and anti gay, you are simply wrong. I mean, I'm sure it's true in a few case. For most of us this goes way beyond the homophobia and right wing fundamentalism. And most of us who wanted the parents exposed certainly did not want it to be for these reasons
They're not even good representatives of Christian values, or even conservative values. They are radical Gothardites. People who think that this is the librul media versus All-American Christian values need to look at the reality of these people, not what they think they symbolize.
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Re Jim-Bob and Michelle's flaunting their sexuality around their children, it makes me wonder if it's more than just passive-aggressive behavior. I wonder if either Jim-Bob, Michelle, or both of them fantasize about the sexual frustration going on in the kids' rooms and that they use these thoughts as an aphrodisiac to spice up their sex life. I'll bet they get turned on just thinking about it. The fetish for saving the first kiss for the altar also might be a turn-on for married fundies, who go home from a wedding, imagine the newlyweds having their first sexual experience, and hump madly that night after they get home.
I know, brain bleach. Sorry about that.
I actually think they're both grandiose enough to believe that their sickening displays are some kind of testimonial in defense of heterosexual marriage and that they are modeling loving, heterosexual spousal behavior for their kids and the rest of the country. Remember their public kissing campaign on Facebook? Little do they know that all this PDA l this just makes them look like prurient adolescents whose modesty/chastity spiel is a load of bullshit. Did these people ever stop to think that maybe their dry-humping, tongue-stabbing, and groping sessions may excite "desires that can't be righteously fulfilled" in other people more than the sight of an exposed ankle or an upper arm?
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From that article: "While Keller once was considered worthy enough to act as Anna and Josh’s courting chaperone before they tied the knot, according to the source, Keller’s slide into sin resulted in Duggar patriarch Jim Bob sitting in judgment and striking even the mention of her name from the family’s show."
Sexually abusing one's sisters MULTIPLE times is totally a childish mistake that can be forgiven and forgotten. But have sex with another consenting adult, get pregnant (I mean she didn't have an abortion, so they should be happy), etc and you are never to be spoken of again.
Anna, take your kids and go to Susannah's house now. She knows what's up with your in-laws and won't judge if you want to leave Josh.
Condemmning unwed mothers isn't the best way to sell your pro-life message, Jim Blob. But oh wait, I forgot you are a total MORON with no integrity.
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Man one of the things I can't get over is the victim-blaming in the Gothard curriculum and the constan tsexual shaming dished out by Michelle. These people have an unfathomably perverse set of values. Remember when they made Jana give the music box to Jessa instead of punishing Jessa for being a bully? Even in a relatively small incident like that they blamed the victim and made her bear all the burden.
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Wow, that sure is an FU internet moment courtesy of Pa Seewald, I guess. A direct one. He goes down the list of things people are saying and writes every concern off, one after the other.
Two things really offended me. After dismissing the criminal nature of what Josh did as being the concern of authorities, he moves on to the matter of Josh "sinning," and shares this opinion:
I'm sorry, but I think a lot more than lack of opportunity and fear of punishment keeps people from groping their little sisters as they sleep at night. Most people have no desire to do anything of the sort. The vast majority, I would think. And many of those who either do want or are curious about that kind of contact manage to resist the urge because they know it is sick. Pa Keller is talking about about a very small minority of people who have messed up urges and lack the ability to control themselves, and then suggests we are all *this close* to doing the same things. He could not be more full of crap in my opinion.
And his Gothardy thinking slips out despite his all the lip service he pays to the suffering and blamelessness of the victims:
Why would a victim be feeling any guilt? He just said they were blameless. Hmph. I think his true opinion slipped out there just a little at the end. Nice try, Pa Seewald. You should have quit while you were ahead.
That being said, I can understand wanting to support your in-laws in their time of crisis. And I think it takes guts given the nature of what is going on. But this is not support. It is a rationalization and minimization of what Josh did, and to the extend that it shifts even a little bit of blame to the victims, it is just wrongheaded.
Pa Seewald really should have just stayed out of it.
Here is a link to his whole spiel:
Didn't take the fucker long to pull the liberal-smear conspiracy/ they hate us for the sake of Christ!- card did it? Not gonna fly. I've seen him express more outrage over the over the "sin" and error of simply being a Catholic than he does over Josh's proven crimes of Incest and Child molestation.
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I've never seen this show, but I've read the last twenty pages or so of this thread because of personal history. Everybody else has already stated a lot of my feelings on the matter, so I'll just add one thing for now.
That is, I'm really disappointed in Harpo's lack of action in 2006 and since. As I understand it - please correct me if I'm wrong - in 2006 they knew that something had happened in that house. So they canceled their Oprah appearance and alerted Arkansas authorities, exactly as they should.
But then, when nothing happened, they shrugged their shoulders and walked away? And stood by while the Duggars used their political clout to fight against equality for a group of people that Oprah and Harpo would claim to support? That's weak sauce.
I mean, kudos to them for doing as much as they did, but they could have done more, IMO.
I've also wondered a little about this since Oprah herself was a sexual abuse survivor and has been a strong advocate for other abuse survivors. In many ways her show was one of the first to put the issue in the public eye. Thank God she did report to the authorities. As someone mentioned upthread, she might not have gone further because of the legal repercussions that would have ensued.
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How sick is it that they made their girls sit there on camera listening to their molester brother pontificate about love and courtship, just to milk out one more episode?
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Just as bad, the beginning part tells you, "The only part of you that was damaged was your body, whereas the truly important part of you is the soul." Like its axiomatic that sexual abuse does no spiritual damage. Then we move on to the victim blaming, then back to minimizing. "You are at fault; change whatever you did wrong. And if by some extremely unlikely chance you were not at fault, then you should thank God you were abused because it gives you more spiritual power." It's a horror.
And in the same breath they tell you that sex is some sacred gift from God only to be shared between a man and a wife and that preserving your virginity is some kind of mystical trust whose loss is like giving away a piece of your heart. So which is it-- something that doesn't really matter or a sacred trust the violation of which has profound spiritual and psychological implications? Double-talking, misogynistic, bastards-- what have you done to your daughters and wives?
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"Effective immediately, TLC has pulled all episodes of 19 Kids and Counting currently from the air. We are deeply saddened and troubled by this heartbreaking situation, and our thoughts and prayers are with the family and victims at this difficult time."
But of course TLC has yet another bullshit train waiting in the wings with the Willis family.
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S22.E06: The Girl Who Gets Possessed
in America's Next Top Model [V]
It's like the TV equivalent of comfort food.
Creative was so sloppy this week. It might have been a cool concept but for all the caked flour makeup and exposed harnasses. The shots chosen were just ridiculous. Bello's ass-to-camera shot was worst. I hope he goes soon. I still like Nyle, Justin, Lacey, and Auntie Mame, though the latter is totally guilty of starting house drama. Too bad any model who appears on ANTM is automatically tainted in the industry.