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On 9/10/2017 at 5:42 AM, AllyB said:
Joanie is definitely blackmailing Hayley. Most likely about whatever it is that Hayley was crying about in the car a few episodes ago.
Am I the only one who thinks that the source of the blackmail could be that Hayley is gay? Something about her interaction with the waitress in that scene in "Signal to Noise" when she skips class struck me as she might have a romantic interest. I just tried to go on the AMC app to review that episode and make sure that I am not totally crazy, but it's mysteriously not available to stream. Makes me think that there is a clue there.
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On 10/7/2016 at 2:44 AM, dmc said:
I totally see Cameron as a sort of Steve Jobs character and Donna is being portrayed as a sort of Skully character (the one that fired Jobs from his own company). Theoretically a business needs both people: both the creative and business end to make a company work. But frequently the business side sees themselves as more of asset than the idea side. The thing is the world is full of Donnas. Her job is a job that a lot people can do. Camerons are more rare. The way Cameron is described is the way most people with that kind of genius are described: self centered, egotistical, etc. Cameron is going to build something else that will be just as or more successful than this project.
The world may be full of Donna's, but the highway of the business world is littered with Cameron roadkill. I have personally witnessed some genius people fall by the wayside because they could not keep the lights on, so to speak. The most famous example of this from history is Nicola Tesla https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikola_Tesla.
Along with hard work, you need genius and business sense, which could be one reason why the writers had the IPO fail. It was the combination of Cameron (genius) and Donna (business sense) that made Mutiny a success, which could not be replicated by the business side of things (Donna, Bos, Diane) alone. Now that I look back at it, they have been telegraphing that all season with everyone telling Donna and Cameron in all sorts of ways that they need each other. It seems like Gordon finally understood this as well, and was willing to give Joe another go. I think Gordon will end up working with Donna, who he recognizes to possess some of the same abilities as Joe.
Wow, bagpipes for Ryan. To be honest, I felt more when Lev got gay bashed last season. It seems like Ryan was written to be "spectrum-esque" (hope I am not offending anyone, I have family all over the spectrum) but he just came off as unlikable and never fully realized as a character.
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On 9/28/2016 at 6:25 PM, AllyB said:
Well sometimes attraction is just chemical and it's not unheard of for someone to just be attracted to someone for reasons that aren't immediately obvious. But I think she became attracted to him when he renegotiated the Swap Meet buy out. She liked his business savvy and bravery. Added to that, he clearly just respects her in her position in the same way he would if she was a man. He doesn't attempt to mansplain or subtly belittle her in a way that she probably experiences daily.
Or she might just like his accent. :)
Besides a physical attraction, I also think that Diane likes the fact that Bos is "the new kid in school." If you are part of a certain type business or social circle, you tend to interact with the same people over and over again. After a while, everyone knows everything about you and you them - the rumors, gossip, ex-husbands, affairs, etc. Her slate is clean with Bos and I can see how someone could find that attractive.
Cameron wanting to wait a year or two on the IPO is exactly like when I tell my 4-year old "later" when he's harassing me for Oreos. I have no intention of giving in, but I hope the concept of later satisfies him in the immediate while buying me enough time for him to either forget about the cookies, or move on to something else.
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42 minutes ago, tvsoothesthespirit said:
I'm not usually on Cameron's side but I am firmly there in regards to the lie. Why Donna didn't just fess up when it became clear that Camden knew, I have no idea. Donna should probably get off the cross, try to get Mutiny to buy her out, poach a few good coders and do something of her own. It seems like she's tired of being the supporting lady but can't quite make the leap. I would love it if Diane and Donna had an affair; I love it when Diane is on screen and I think she would be good for Donna.
This season has shown both Donna AND Cameron lying to each other for the good of the company. Gordon knows the truth, but isn't Donna still under the impression that Joanie invited Jennifer to her party out of the goodness of her heart? Sure, Cameron's gamble paid off, but if we consider how damaging to a young girl's fragile psyche watching her rival get all the attention at her own birthday party could be, whose lie is worse? That's why I just can't get on the "Cameron betrayal" train. Cameron should be evolved enough to recognize that she hasn't exactly been honest with Donna either.
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On September 16, 2016 at 9:18 AM, qtpye said:
I am so sick of Cameron throwing a tantrum or hiding when things do not go her way and Donna enabling her. Raise your hand if you can disappear from your job for four days and still expect to be employed.
Then she has the audacity to scream at Donna about Mutiny is her company, when it is Donna's management and Gordon's money and mainframe that has kept the company afloat and given it the ability to expand and grow. Cameron's genius coding has been a bust. She was unable to come up with any good games for Mutiny and fought hard against community.
I hate the way Donna coddles her. I loved that Boz finally said enough was enough. Cameron is really becoming useless and now I am all for leading a coup and taking over the company.
YES! I would LOVE a takeover of Mutiny!
There is a difference between being a genius and being a visionary. Cameron, Gordon and apparently Ryan are geniuses that need visionaries like Donna and Joe for them to realize their potential. Just as Cameron could not recognize the potential of chat or the urgency of a streamlined payment system, Gordon could not recognize the potential of the anti-virus disk that he handed over to Joe. Cameron needs Donna and she need to stop taking her for granted.
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I am having a really hard time working up the outrage or sense of betrayal that the writers are obviously going for to make me sympathize with Cameron. Sure, Donna is not perfect and she should have had the ovaries to tell Cameron not fire the Swap Meet guys herself (instead of hiding behind Diane), but she has had to make tough decisions without Cameron because Cameron CHOOSES to check-in and out of the Mutiny whenever she feels like. And when Cameron does check-in, it's nothing but micromanaging to the point of paralysis, tantrums because no one is worshiping her sacred coding and decision-making predicated upon a misplaced sense of identity. She continues to act like Mutiny is her's and her's alone with no respect to her partnership with Donna who, besides seemingly having to run the day-to-day operations, funded (with Gordon) the mainframe and kept Mutiny afloat during the lean years in Texas.
Run Tom, run!
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Joe and Cameron seem to be having the same problem. Once you take on a partner or take someone else's money or have people whose livelihood depends upon your actions and decisions (even more pressing in the case of the Mutiny staffers who picked up stakes and moved thousands of miles), your company is not YOUR company anymore.
In the case of Cameron, she needs to stop expecting grown folks to cater tantrums and demands because she created Mutiny in her basement or wherever. And when she does find out that Donna lied she better not pull some "you betrayed me" nonsense because at least Donna didn't create secret backdoors so she could spy on customers, manipulate a child or cause unnecessary conflict and delays because she can't let go of a code she wrote all by herself. Just as she could argue that her end justified her means, so could Donna.
In the case of Joe, and contrary to his pronouncement last week, he is not the company. He may be the founder and the face of it, but he has people to answer to as well. However, Joe was right to crush that jerk's hand and I hope that he and Ryan can come up with something that either satisfies the board or is an opportunity to walk away with something bigger on the horizon.
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Joe is totally installing a virus with that free software - which I am sure that the not-so-free software update will fix.
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Does anyone else feel like this show is gearing up for a "who shot/killed Randall" finale? Why am I still watching this show?
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Wow, they are REACHING for something positive to say about this show. Someone at HBO must have forced the New York Post to run this after they posted news of Terance Winter leaving on Page Six last week...
http://nypost.com/2016/04/14/why-hbos-vinyl-is-the-best-music-show-on-tv/
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Scott Z. Burns is apparently replacing Winter. The only imdb credit I've seen on his list is The Bourne Ultimatum (he wrote the screenplay.) I hope he can salvage something watchable out of the mess he's being handed.
Winter, and Scorsese for that matter, keep recycling the same motiths for each project. I am encouraged by this fresh start.
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Finally, an episode that didn't leave me questioning my sanity as to why I'm still watching! Fast forward through all of the scenes of Richie, Richie and the mob, and Richie and the murder that no one cares about (the common denominator here being Richie), and we have ourselves a decent show!
The last scene with Clark and Jorge entering the underground club to the beat of "Wild Safari" by Barrabas was EVERYTHING. I have been waiting for this show to move me in some way, and that did it - it made me want to jump through my TV screen and join the party! I am really excited by Clark finding his groove and hope that he pulls Jorge out of the mailroom with him - as I could see a Russell Simmons/Rick Ruben dynamic, with them discovering early disco and hip hop acts.
The E.A.B. lesson with Lester was another great sequence. I felt like I learned something (I had no idea)!
I actually like Devon sans Richie and hope this is the beginning of the end for them. They have zero chemistry and I would be interested in seeing if she could reconcile coming into her own as an artist with raising two small would-be serial killers (the cat scene was unnecessary).
Loving Zak/Scott/faux Jobriath (I knew that was where they were going as soon as he inquired about a gatefold LP. http://www.grandillusioncinema.org/blog/?p=296 ) and I'm interested to see if they will fully explore Scott's obvious attraction.
Now this is the Andrea that I have been waiting to see! PR warlock needed to go.
I hope they follow the precedent of "Halt and Catch Fire" and switch protagonists for the second season. The Richie character is literally snorting the life out of the show. It's so much better when you fast-forward through all of his scenes.
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Add another 'wtf am I watching and why?" Honestly, I'm so bored/disgusted by the constant drug use...
I was surprised that Cece still worked there, I would have thought Richie would fire her after Hannibal went to another label.
THIS!!!!!!!
I don't mind the "Devon goes back to The Factory" scenes since she's a lot more interesting when she is away from Richie.
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Really annoyed with this show, but I can't stop watching. I keep waiting for it to improve and every week, I'm disappointed.
You summed up exactly why I keep watching this show. I keep thinking that the next episode is going to set everything right and it just doesn't happen. Did all the marquee names involved with this project read scripts or watch an actual episode?
Can we please have "Ernst the Friendly Ghost" make snarky comments throughout the rest of the series? He was the most entertaining presence on the show, even if his death was telegraphed throughout. I don't think anyone actually bought that it was ketchup on his knee...
Can Bobby Cannavale please tone down the Scarface routine every time he snorts? The Richie character is just not working. He is supposed to be this music impresario with a golden ear, but as others have expressed elsewhere, where is the evidence? I just don't see any of the "genius" that explains why people need to put up with his boorish behavior. It just doesn't feel like he has anyone's respect, so scenes with him flexing his authority seem anti-climactic.
I think that it's clear that Devon doesn't want to be there just as much as Richie. The only difference is that Richie gets to hide in his office, Manhattan business apartment, and meetings/events that take all night.
Vinyl would be much more interesting if it took place in a fictional universe. Major storylines where real artists are courted by the label have no pay off because most viewers already know the outcome - Led Zeppelin is not going to sign with American Century. Even last night's David Bowie scene lacked interest, because I felt like nothing was going to come out of it. Same with Alice Cooper.
ETA - The above also doesn't bode well for the Nasty Bits. If they exist in a past alongside David Bowie, Alice Cooper and other known artists, yet we the viewers have never heard of them, it stands to reason that they never really amount to anything. That kind of takes away the suspense of a will they/won't they make it storyline - especially since they are being built up as the labels only prospect.
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I keep watching week after week, expecting things to be different and it never is. Isn't that the definition of insanity? I just can't let go until I see what they do with
David Bowie
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Can someone please explain to me why Richie needed an alibi from his estranged father, other than to inject said estranged father to the storyline? They went to see "Enter the Dragon?" Really? That's the best they could come up with?
I would have fired Cece. If you are going to date Hannibal in the middle of contract negotiations, can't you at least supply some intel in a timely fashion? Is she in love now? Oh please...
I really hope they pull a "Halt and Catch Fire," and flip the focus of the series from the guys to the ladies, as Jamie, Devon, Cece and now Andrea are the only intriguing characters on the show.
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Lady Gaga looked like a Ziggy Stardust era Angela Bowie to me.
I would have loved to see some combination of Brian Eno, Tony Visconte, Carlos Alomar, Robert Fripp, Adrian Belew, Dennis Davis, Trent Resnor, Earl Slick, Peter Frampton, Nile Rodgers, Mike Garson, Robin Clark, Ava Cherry and the group that played with David Bowie on Blackstar, backing up a Thin White Duke era Lady Gaga as she sung the heck out of "Heroes." Her performance was better suited for one of Bowie's more theatrical pieces, like "Time," "Rock and Roll Suicide," or "Cracked Actor."
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Shouldn't it be called The Boogie Down?
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In my opinion, Abby threw Liv (with Liv's approval) under the bus to serve as a distraction. She needed to stop the hemorraging of the President's reputation fast, until they could come up with a long term strategy, so she needed to shift the focus of the press away from HIS behavior. She also set up the narrative that Fitz was somehow led astray by a social climbing gold digger, which the general public, based on past instances, seems to be comfortable with. Her focus is on saving his presidency, not his relationship with Liv and how that will play out.
My heart sank when I saw Joe Morton's name in the opening credits. Can't B613 stay dead?
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Same as it ever was, with seemingly unrelated random acts of violence. We'll see how the season progresses, but I am officially only here for Matt Bomer, Lady Gaga, a little bit of Wes Bentley and Dennis O'Hare who was EVERYTHING in that episode.
Who else went straight to ITunes after this? I hope that She Wants Revenge at least sent Ryan Murphy a gift basket.
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As one of the few shows that was able to hold my attention throughout its season, I am so happy to hear that it will return!
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S04.E04: Tonya and Nancy
in Halt And Catch Fire [V]
Today it would not be anything to be blackmailed about, but in 1990-whatever? And for someone so shy and reserved as Hayley? I had friends who came out around that time and it was very difficult for them. I don’t think that Gordon or Donna would have a problem per se, but she might assume differently. I’m probably completely wrong, but that was my initial reaction to the restaurant/crying in the car scene. I’ll return to lurking...