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Hey I recovered my password and logged-in just to respond to this (after not being active on this site for over 6 years).
On 11/16/2020 at 1:45 AM, statsgirl said:...Deluca's intervention made me cringe. Shut up Bailey about "I function with my OCD" because OCD is nothing like bipolar disorder...
I totally agree. I get a layperson could well be forgiven for having that kind of reaction (well meaning but ignorant) but a fellow Dr? No. I know Drs have to do a certain amount of learning about MH issues in their study and anyone who has ever had anything to do with either or both of those conditions knows they are not the same.
On 11/14/2020 at 3:44 AM, LittlePeas3 said:...The Deluca story line - while I expect relapes, they did address the fact that he needed sleep to regulate his behaviour, etc...
I thought this was so good. Sleep routine and hygiene are so very, very important. It is possible to leave Australia perfectly healthy and arrive in the UK experiencing manic symptoms (or in rare cases full-on mania). Time zones are important.
On 11/16/2020 at 3:13 AM, readster said:...Or the fact Deluca himself went: "I don't know what's wrong with me?" It was there he should have been: "I am like my dad, oh God!" Oh no, everyone was: "Go to your room and think about what you did wrong."...
On 11/16/2020 at 4:06 AM, ams1001 said:I can buy that he, in the moment, didn't grasp that what was happening to him was the same as his dad - he has a mental illness and was in the middle of his first real episode of that illness; the rest of them (especially his sister, who should recognize it better than anyone) not doing anything is what gets me...
This. Insight into their illness is not something that everyone with Bipolar (and other MH issues) has, unfortunately.
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Oh I am sure having bipolar disorder can be hell. My confusion is that if you were diagnosed as bipolar 2 and were being treated for it and then later found out you were bipolar NOS would you life change so drastically? Im not trying to be a dick I just legitimately don't see why this is such a dramatic misdiagnosis.
Ah I see. Yes. Hmm. Good point. With Bipolar 2 you are encouraged very strongly to constantly and consistently self-monitor. To note when you are 'up' or 'down', what your symptoms are and how long they persist, to try and get some picture of your pattern so that you are able to learn to curb your extremes/put precautions in place. It is my understanding that since Bipolar NOS does not have a predictable pattern there is less onus on the sufferer to try and find a pattern.
Ok, so I'm not a mental health care professional. But in my "professional" opinion as an arm chair psychologist/true crime & trial enthusiast (where actual mental health diagnoses often come into play), what you've just described (correctly, IMO) about Kail and what we know of her from the show matches up pretty closely with Borderline Personaloty Disorder: the angry outbursts, always being the victim, deciding people are always for her or against her (no gray area), loving the drama, etc.
https://outofthefog.net/Disorders/BPD.html --> plenty of the list of traits here scream Kail to me.
One of my in-laws is borderline and it's EXHAUSTING. I'm pretty sure it's also often co-morbid with other diagnoses, probably including bipolar.
Bipolar, Schizophrenia and Borderline Personality Disorder amongst others have a number of symptoms in common. This is part of the challenge when trying to diagnose them!
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Ok before I respond to individual comments I am going to say that my husband has Bipolar 1. I have been through the cycle of him being well, becoming unwell, seriously unwell, recovering and well again with him. I know a lot about Bipolar.
With Kail though, a big part of her mental health has to do with her lying about certain things such as her need to paint herself as the constant victim, her anger control issues, and her defiant attitude. and one major thing about Kail is, she hates to be told what to do...A mental health professional can't help Kail properly if she is not up-front about herself. What is that saying? You can't get honest help if you are not honest about yourself. There are issues Kail has going on, I just feel her whole Bipolar reveal was just an excuse for her to not have to own up to her dickish behavior.
All of these things that you are mentioning can be symptoms of Bipolar. It is true that a mental health professional cannot help someone prevent future episodes if they are in denial or refuse to follow the treatment/therapy regime, however, with the aid of medications (such as Lithium) they are able to stabalise (I'm Australian, not American, just for the record) them and 'pull them out' of the episode as such.
I didn't realize that the treatment for bipolar vs. bipolar 2 would be so different. Does anyone know how they differ?
They are very different. Type 2 consists of serious depressive low episodes but only moderate manic (or high) episodes, typically involving fast speech etc but no delusions. Type 1 is both seriously depressive lows and serious manic highs- full-on delusions etc.
I need to look it up, but I don't believe they are treated hugely differently, I think bipolar 2 is a less severe form, but I'm only gathering that because like I said above my doctor considered it, which confused me because it seems like everyone would have those symptoms at one time or another. In bipolar 1, the hi's and low's are more extreme. The doctor said Kail had bipolar NOS (not otherwise specified) which means her episodes are more sporadic and don't necessarily fall into a pattern like bipolar 1 or 2. While bipolar 1&2 are characterized by periods lasting a certain number of days, NOS kinda comes and goes. Here is a website that has a good explanation of the different forms of bipolar http://www.dbsalliance.org/site/PageServer?pagename=education_bipolar_types
You're correct and that is a nice little resource.
Ok, thank you for explaining. I'm just not seeing why it's such a big deal to be diagnosed as bipolar 2 if she's bipolar NOS. In the clip I watched she mentioned what a relief it is to have the correct diagnosis finally and I just don't get it.
Because Bipolar can make your life hell and it is such a relief to finally have an explanation (and potential treatment options) after a period of intense confusion.
Many people spend crazy amounts of money when manic/hypo-manic, many people engage in risk-taking behaviours (again, Australian) when they are having an episode that they would not normally engage in which can put their lives and the lives of others, in addition to professional and personal relationships at risk.
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So total disclosure, I have a diagnosed mental disorder (borderline personality disorder)... At one point my doctor considered bipolar 2, I don't remember the exact criteria... But I remember it being kinda vague and thinking that I'm sure anyone could go through a period of time where they fit that criteria. I didn't see the show, is she claiming she never had a disorder at all, because I call bs on that. Didn't she use bipolar as an excuse for her rage? So now is she just a raging bitch? I probably shouldn't comment until I know what was said...
Yes. A big part of the problem with mental health treatment is diagnosis. The treatment for things like Bipolar can really stuff you up if they're not correct
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Wasn't Australia originally founded as a prison colony? Maybe this trip is like some sort of pilgrimage for Jenelle, much like how Muslims visit Mecca.
So, so sick of this. Sorry BitterApple but this can be a bit of a bone of contention for some Australians and it definitely is for me! Nothing personal intended in this response. In 1996 20% of the population were second generation Australians (children born in Australia of immigrants). I would venture to suggest that number is higher now. The amount of people who can trace back lineage 6 or 7 generations (like I can) is not that common. Additionally I can prove that my people came as either prison officers or as free immigrants a little later.
I believe so. I've always wanted to go to Australia, it's my dream trip. Unfortunately I will probably never be able to afford it. The flights alone cost thousands of dollars. I also dreamed of seeing both Silverchair and Magic Dirt while I was there, but neither band is still together. I still have all my cd's, mp3's, and youtube videos but it's not the same.
Also question for the Aussie folks here: I'm curious, does the show Recovery (I think) still exist? I have a double cd set called Hits from the Backdoor full of awesome live performances, many from bands most people here in the states have never heard of. If there's more than one set I think I need to order them! I've also been dying to find a Magic Dirt band tee, and never have been able to. I still want one of them too! I have a ladyboner for Adalita.
Ha ha awesome. No more Recovery, as a PP said. My first official concert as a teen that I went to with only friends was the Silverchair/Powderfinger joint tour. So good.
Yes, it was a British penal colony. My husband and I have quite a few Aussie friends and they do tend to be a bit more crude and rough around the edges, but they're also super friendly and generous and I wouldn't wish Jenelle on them in a million years. They like to tease us that there's his mysterious type of koala called the "Drop Bear"; legend has it that they murderously fall from tress on unsuspecting tourists. I hope like never before that they're real and Jenelle meets her fate, ideally the minute she steps off the plane, so no one there has to be subjected to her lunacy.
Drop Bears are pretty fond of airports...
I honestly think the 'crude' and 'rough around the edges' bit depends on who you know and obviously some cultural differences (toilet v bathroom etc). Having been to the US, Canada and Mexico a couple of times (love travel) I can say that when it comes to foul language you northern americans outdo my friends, family and I.
I have had a change of mind I would love Janelle to come over she would last about 2 minutes before she freaked out that people are being mean to her. I will even volunteer my town I live 5 minutes walk from the surf beach that has sharks, our woodshed currently has a brown snake hibernating waiting for the snake catcher to come back from holidays and it also has a colony of spiders. I can lure her in as we also have koalas in the the trees and we have a friendly kangaroo that sunbathes on our back lawn. If the deadly animals don't get her the cute ones are quite viscous too, she would run for the hills.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVjk5f82nIg
A gross generalization but us Aussies we just don't take ourselves as seriously as Americans. I live in a tourist town with lots of international tourism and by far the most serious are the Americans, it takes a while for them to get that we poke fun at ourselves and each other a lot. I do agree we can be rather crass to as the saying goes we call strangers mate but our mates cunts (though I do not know many that use that word I shudder at it) we do seem to drop a lot of get stuffed/fuc'd though.
I agree with this in the general but not the specific- I have certainly never called anyone 'cunt', for any reason, nor have any of my friends or family in my hearing. I don't think it is as common as people think it is, if that makes sense. Get stuffed/fucked yeah, all the time. :-D
Jenelle is welcome to come here. I don't think that many people watch the show so I think she would be disappointed by the lack of attention she received.
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Kail to me is a mix of smart and stupid...
That's part of my point- most people are.
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...I think that's what people mean when they say she lives beyond her means...
Oh I don't think living beyond your means is a good thing but I'm not convinced that she is.
I guess I just see it differently. To me she is using her time now to study, to ensure that when the money from teen mom (so weird, because I'm Australian I write mum and have to correct it, ha ha) ends there are two incomes coming in. There's a lot we don't know about their expenses (how much the private school costs, for example) and their decisions (maybe Isaac has learning difficulties, or needs extra support in some way, hence the private school, for example) and I just really don't think we can judge based on what we see on the show necessarily.
Honestly a lot of insecure people overcompensate to protect themselves emotionally.
@zenme It is entirely possible that they are sociable with other military families but they are unable to be filmed for the same reasons that we never see Javi in military garb.
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..Kail is trying to live her life beyond her means/upbringing.
I don't see what is wrong with living your life beyond your upbringing. If you can do it, all the more power to you! This kind of comment (and others like it) seem a bit like we are dealing with tall poppy syndrome.
I think everyone should aspire to live (positively) beyond their upbringing in some way or another.
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Not sure if serious or sarcastic.
Sorry! Completely serious. I'm happy to learn new things from people from other countries. As I said what people have described is absolutely not what is my 'norm'.
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Good on Cole for not wanting to be on the reunion. I hope he is as good as it seems he might be!
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Am I the only one shallow enough to be annoyed when girls (especially those in long term relationships) wear what could quite possibly be an engagement ring on their left ring finger? It seems like a combination of wishful thinking, and attention seeking, like they really really really want someone to ask if they're engaged...
Anyway, congratulations to them both! Their baby girl is beautiful!
Me too. I hate it. I don't mind if you are or aren't engaged but yeah...
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I am a medical assistant and I had to do an externship to get my degree. It was a total of 250 hours (I believe, this was like 5 years ago) and my schedule was determined by the practice I was externing at. My externship was unpaid and was at the end of all my in-class training, so I was not juggling an externship and classes at the same time. I was lucky enough to not have to work (and these days I can't due to health issues..) while on my externship but that's basically is how you get a bit of on the job training so you don't get to your first clinical job and go "holy shitballs I have no idea what I'm doing!". As far as I know every medical assistant program requires an externship for graduation. Also some states require MA's to take an extra certification test after graduation to be eligible for work. Where I live the test is optional (PA) and generally doesn't result in a pay increase.
MSW from UC Berkeley. Full-time 2 year program. First year field placement/internship is 2 days/week, 2nd year it's 3 days/week. Unpaid. So yes I also worked a part-time job for some cash for living expenses. And I took out loans for the rest. Very common experience here.
I'm a full time grad student. I had 2 jobs (1 just ended so I'm looking), I volunteer 2 different places and am currently completing a practical assignment that involves working in my field. I don't really have time off, but this is what I have to do to graduate in 2 years and keep my student loan debt at a reasonable level. I don't have kids though.
As for Janelle, she's in an AA program and not working and barely looks at her kids. I honestly don't have the time she does to go find losers to impregnable me and then have violent fights with. Janelle has plenty of time to screw up her life.
Thanks for sharing, everyone!
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...Re: Drew's being harder on Jo than the likes of Nathan, I think Drew probably knows that Jo has more potential and therefore holds him to a higher standard...
I've thought this myself. I really think it is completely true.
...And I went to grad school full-time, worked an unpaid ineternship 3 full days each work, and also worked a part-time paid job, so it can and is done all the time...
Maybe it is just my background (extremely privileged) or because I'm from Australia but this doesn't seem possible. Full time university/college requires about 3 full days a week dedicated time for classes/study, so does this mean that every day you were working one way or another, or did you studies take up less time, giving you some free time?
Your scenario is also completely foreign to me. Everyone I know who has done/is doing post-graduate study (masters or PhD) either has a scholarship that covers their basic needs (provided by the Australian Government, or private industry), is not working (either because their scholarship covers their basic needs or they are being supported by parents/partner) or is only studying part-time while working (often part-time). Like I said I come from a privileged background but I honestly can't think of one person who is or has done what you have stated.
Did you have to do an internship for the length of your course? In Australia 'work experience/placements/internships' are often done in intense 'blocks' (say 2/4/6/8/10 weeks full time, a number of times during the course) rather than a consistent number of days a week throughout the course.
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...Adam was supposed to call, but didn't? "Aubree, I think your did call. My stupid phone was off!"...
I agree with everything that you said apart from this bit. I don't believe in placing blame on yourself for something that someone else did wrong, particularly when they repeatedly do wrong.
An alternative option: "Aubree I'm sure you dad wanted to call but just got really busy. I know he loves you very much and I'm sure you will talk to him soon."
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...But I guess St. Alicia believes in "just say no to drugs" and "just abstain from premarital sex".
Lots of people believe in saying no to drugs and premarital sex. It doesn't make them bad people or poor parents.
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...I honestly always felt safe growing up around guns, especially as kid if some crazy person broke into our house, it was very nice knowing my dad could handle that and protect us.
My mother has a very nice gun with an ivory handle that used to belong to her grandmother back when she was raising her two girls alone and worried criminals might think they were an easy target. They would be very, very wrong.
I'm Australian and I will never, ever understand this attitude towards gun ownership. No disrespect intended andromeda331 (or others who feel the same) but we just don't have the same gun culture you guys do in the US (nor the same amount of gun related deaths). I see the more people who have guns and the more guns in a household the higher the chance of accidental gun death. I just don't think that anybody is out to get me particularly- I don't need to defend myself from anyone or any threat with anything other than doors that close and lock and a phone to call the police.
Invitations are disgusting. Unsurprising, though.
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I could see privacy concerns, I really can. I just think in that case I would just use Dr So&So, like my dentist and my chiropractor. I think labeling it My Psychiatrist defeats the purpose of privacy laws. After all the point is to protect the privacy of the patient, not the doctor. I doubt her doctor cares if everybody under the sun knows they're a mental health professional, but Leah might care if everyone knows she's seeing one. But I guess she doesn't and she shouldn't. It's nothing to be ashamed of. I just think it's a weird thing to define the type of medicine all your doctors practice in your phone book, like you're going to forget or be confused as to why they're calling.
You don't think reducing the chance the health professional is identified will reduce the chance someone will try to access health records? That was my thought. I could imagine a world in which she had "Dr So&So" they (their practice) would be looked up and pursued for confidential information.
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It's interesting how varied it is!
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Kail's house was 215,000 dollars per www.realtor.com.
Leah and Jeremy's house I'm not real sure but it was upper 100,000 to 200,000. I don't know when they bought it but it kept being delisted. I wonder what they made off of it, if anything. http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/1742-New-Hope-Rd_Elkview_WV_25071_M49150-81626?row=10
These girls living in 200,000 dollar homes is crazy to me.
Where I'm from (Perth, Australia) it is practically impossible to buy a house for double that...
She had it labeled My Psychiatrist? Like Dr So&So wouldn't jar her memory? Can she really not remember which Dr is hers? Of course she also has to remind herself that Jeremy is My Husband And Best Friend. God she really is an 8 year old trapped in a 22 year old body that looks 40. Seriously, that new haircut isn't doing her any favors.
Really? It couldn't potentially be a privacy thing?
I wonder if Corey is listed in there as "Corey Tyler!!!"
I list my husband by his full name...
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She probably doesn't know the difference, but only a psychiatrist can prescribe medication.
In Australia:
Psychiatrist= Medicine degree (either undergraduate or postgraduate)+ specialisation. Focuses on treatment via medicines- can prescribe medication.
Psychologist=Undergraduate (4 years)+ masters degree (2 years either thesis or coursework)+placements. Focuses on treatment via therapy- cognitive behavioural being a major one.
Counsellor= Undergraduate (3 years). I don't really know what they do. Honestly they seem to me to be a less qualified psychologist.
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...especially since this board is careful about things like slut-shaming...
Really?
I've seen some very unpleasant names attributed to the girls as a result of their relationships...
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No one pays Janelle child support. Its a fair assumption but the other details excludes her.
Ah, ok- I didn't read the item itself, only what was here and obviously not well enough. I simply thought drugs=Jenelle (or Amber Portwood, but then someone said it was a girl from this series).
My daughter has the fancy front loaders, they can,actually afford them though, paid cash instead of putting them on an already maxed out credit card.Anyway, she hates them. They promised lower electric bills, it hasn't happened and she hates that she can't open it after it starts. With kids, there's always a stray sock or shirt that you miss and she can't open it to toss them in.
I think with Leah its not about functionality, the way she dresses those kids shows she doesn't care much about clean clothes, its more about having something big and shiny that other people will know she spent a lot of money on them.
I guess it depends on what you're used to- I've always had front loaders (it is what I grew up with), so I'm used to them and have no problems with missed socks or whatever...
To be honest I'm really upset by all the nasty things that are said about the mums on these forums- if nothing else, the girls are human too.
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I just assumed that the person on drugs (and partner) was Jenelle.
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I thought Kail and Javi have purchased?
Sweet Fellowship: Duggars and Friends (aka the Bates Family and Other Featured Families Thread)
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What is the reality of an abortion? I really don't understand this. Do you mean the reality is that the person is no longer pregnant? Surely that is the goal?
When life begins is extremely subjective. In the past the Catholic Church/society in general used to consider it began when the pregnant person felt kicking. With technology the definition changed.
I don't believe I would ever personally choose abortion (34, married almost 9 years and never been pregnant, thankfully, so I haven't had to consider it for myself) but feel everyone should make their own choice/s and should have easy access to quality care.