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S21.E37: Power of Veto #13

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1 hour ago, Rachel RSL said:

Loved seeing Ovi again!  Can the internet coordinate efforts to get Ovi (or David or Kemi)  to win America's Favorite?  Just to let these morons know "You guys suck so hard, America prefers the people they barely saw over you."

Ovi - that's who will be getting my votes.  

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45 minutes ago, Otherkate said:

It's hard for me to get worked up about any tom foolery with the veto when Cliff and Nicole are the two idiots who voluntarily went to the final 4 with a showmance. This is BB 101.

What choice did Nicole have?  Cliff was dead set on dumping Tommy.  He was stuck on stupid.  Nicole couldn't do anything to stop it.  A tie would have meant Jackson making the final vote, evicting Tommy.   Given that Nicole was thrown under the bus by Cliff, Nicole had no other option than to go along with Cliff.

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13 hours ago, UniqBlue69 said:

Guys, we can't be the bitter jury that we bemoan each year. Jackson deserves to win this season hands down! All counterarguments are welcome.

I'm so sick of the biggest Babied Coddled and Catered to Production Pet. Its asboulety sickening and Mindboggling why Production helps that piece of shit out so much. Hope he loses 

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Maybe it's just Mrs Boilergal and I,  but we think the times are totally rigged on this comp and the one where they had to strip on the water ski.   She's was outraged yelling I want to see the WHOLE comp and have a stop watch - there is no way he won.

Cliff is an idiot and looking forward to seeing him leave tonight.  Did he REALLY think Holly wouldn't tell michie the plan?  

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"$10,000 will buy a lot of watermelons!" says Jackson, who has clearly been told by production that the whole watermelon thing is cute and the audience loves it. So, apparently Jackson now believes he's been "redeemed" and the audience is rooting for him or something. 

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Guys, we can't be the bitter jury that we bemoan each year. Jackson deserves to win this season hands down! All counterarguments are welcome.

Sure he deserves to win. But so what? I still think he's an awful person. There's no joy in watching an awful person win a game. He's also full of shit. Does he really think anyone buys that he was going to honor a F3 deal with Nicole and Cliff until they "broke their word" and considered voting out Holly? Which, by the way, they did not do, as you recall. If that were true then what difference would it have made whether Holly or Tommy went home? 

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What choice did Nicole have?  Cliff was dead set on dumping Tommy.  He was stuck on stupid.  Nicole couldn't do anything to stop it.

Cliff kept saying he'd vote with Nicole if he couldn't convince her to vote out Tommy so if we take him at his word, if she'd stuck to her guns and voted out Holly he would have had to as well. Then again, he's an idiot, so there you go.

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What a crappy season.  They're certainly not the most hateful houseguests ever but half of them were assholes and the other half were idiots who didn't even bother playing the game most of the time.

That sums up so many seasons ever since Alison Grodner took over this show. I firmly believe that they deliberately cast fodder every year so the "cool people" they like can stick around as long as possible. There's no other explanation for why they have such idiots every year.

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22 minutes ago, Boilergal said:

Maybe it's just Mrs Boilergal and I,  but we think the times are totally rigged on this comp and the one where they had to strip on the water ski.   She's was outraged yelling I want to see the WHOLE comp and have a stop watch - there is no way he won.

Which is why I say, no matter how piss poor someone plays, they should lose of their own stupidity, not because production might decide to tip the scales one way or another.

A houseguest could play the perfect game, and if production decides to tip the scales against that houseguest, that houseguest will still lose.

Nicole already had to deal with Cliff going sour on her.   I don't know how she could have seen that coming.   If production did indeed interfere in this Veto competition (benefiting Jackson), they shouldn't have done so until Jackson's time was far beyond the other three houseguests.

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22 minutes ago, iMonrey said:

Cliff kept saying he'd vote with Nicole if he couldn't convince her to vote out Tommy so if we take him at his word, if she'd stuck to her guns and voted out Holly he would have had to as well. Then again, he's an idiot, so there you go.

I think Cliff is full of crap.   I still believe he would have voted out Tommy.  Cliff was convinced that if Tommy stayed, Tommy would take Nicole to final two.

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Did they edit out the part of the competition where the paramedics came in and put Cliff on oxygen for 15 minutes while the timer ticked on?  I was watching this and thinking "I'm 4 years older than Cliff but I don't get that winded to the point where I'm falling on the ground.  Dammit, man.  You're in the house for 3 months, work on some cardio!"  I dunno, Maybe because I try to stay somewhat active (and I don't look like I'm carrying a baby that was due a month ago).

Although, on the positive side, I do think that Cliff looks like he has dropped some weight.  If you look at the promos he did for BBAD compared to how he looked at last night's comp.

Nichole wasn't that far behind Snackson in that comp and she definitely smoked Holly.  If she had been this competitive earlier on, I think she would have been targeted as more of a threat earlier on.

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I think it's hilarious that Cliff thinks he'd ever be in a position to "take" anyone to the final 2. That's one of the many reasons he's such an idiot, he has no grasp on reality. The first of the final HoH comps is always endurance, and he has zero chance of winning that against anyone. The second HoH is always some combination of brains and dexterity so he's toast in that one too. You have to win one of these two in order to get to the final HoH comp, which admittedly is a crap shoot, but Cliff getting to that point would require divine intervention.

That's why is was always stupid for Nicole and Cliff to think a F4 deal with Holly and Jackson was a good idea. Those F3 HoH comps are just built for Jackson.

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57 minutes ago, icemiser69 said:

Which is why I say, no matter how piss poor someone plays, they should lose of their own stupidity, not because production might decide to tip the scales one way or another.

A houseguest could play the perfect game, and if production decides to tip the scales against that houseguest, that houseguest will still lose.

Nicole already had to deal with Cliff going sour on her.   I don't know how she could have seen that coming.   If production did indeed interfere in this Veto competition (benefiting Jackson), they shouldn't have done so until Jackson's time was far beyond the other three houseguests.

When I start to think that the competition is slanted or fixed to favor someone, I question why I watch this show.  I used to see BB as a show that was free of that type of manipulation.  too many "reality" competition shows, seem as though the winner is pre-determined, and the show is scripted for maximum drama, and to craft a storyline leading up to the pre-determined conclusion.  (see any Gordon Ramsey competition, and the god-awful Celebrity Apprentice show) .   

Jackson won the veto, after production reminded him of the double negative nature of the task.  that smacks of "oh shit!  Jackson needs to win! he's screwing up the plot!"  And I feel like an idiot for watching, not a REALITY show, but a scripted, crafted, fictional account of a reality show.  

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..Jackson deserves to win this season hands down!

I don't agree with this analysis.  There is a reason that TPTB puts the decision in the hands of the jury.  Jury management is important!  If winning the most competitions makes a hamster the most "deserving" to win the $500,000 then just abolish the jury and keep score by counting HOH and Veto wins. 

TPTB could even establish an elaborate scoring system and keep a running tally.  5 points for a win, 3 points for second and 1 point for third.  Performing poorly (as in throwing) a comp results in negative points.  (-5 for dead last, -3 for second to last and -1 for third last.  That would prevent them from losing on purpose.

Of course, this kind of scoring to determine the Winner would create an entirely different kind of Big Brother than we are accustomed to, so in the alternative, we just keep the (often bitter) jury and see what happens.

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2 hours ago, Slider said:

Ovi - that's who will be getting my votes.  

Maybe that's why production asked Ovi back to stand awkwardly in the kitchen with a tray of cookies - to remind everyone voting for AFP that Ovi was indeed part of the game at one point.  Otherwise, it was a bizarre and wasted cameo for him - it was a timed event, so what was the plan there, other than to count him as something that had been changed?  I did see Nicole give him a quick hug, but Boss Hogg was all, "there'll be time to chat with Ovi after this is over, I got myself a comp to win."  Which incidentally is the only smart thing I have heard come out of Cliff's mouth in weeks.

1 hour ago, HighMaintenance said:

Did they edit out the part of the competition where the paramedics came in and put Cliff on oxygen for 15 minutes while the timer ticked on?  I was watching this and thinking "I'm 4 years older than Cliff but I don't get that winded to the point where I'm falling on the ground.  Dammit, man.  You're in the house for 3 months, work on some cardio!"  I dunno, Maybe because I try to stay somewhat active (and I don't look like I'm carrying a baby that was due a month ago).

Although, on the positive side, I do think that Cliff looks like he has dropped some weight.  If you look at the promos he did for BBAD compared to how he looked at last night's comp.

Nichole wasn't that far behind Snackson in that comp and she definitely smoked Holly.  If she had been this competitive earlier on, I think she would have been targeted as more of a threat earlier on.

Cliff is a couple of years older than me.  I certainly don't mean to age-shame, but I agree with the bold.  He's in a house full of workout equipment for three months, where there is little else to do to pass the hours.  Maybe he did work out and we just didn't see it, but I'd have to think that even taking several laps around the back yard a few times a day would've helped him immensely to keep up a little bit better with some of these comps.  Granted, he likely wouldn't be able to beast them out like Snackson but at least he might not end up on the ground covered in sweat after part 1 of 3 of that luxury comp.

And I swear, the way the show was edited, it looked like Nicole had won that comp, what with Snack having to start and stop 14 times because he was doing it wrong.

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1 hour ago, iMonrey said:

I think it's hilarious that Cliff thinks he'd ever be in a position to "take" anyone to the final 2. That's one of the many reasons he's such an idiot, he has no grasp on reality. The first of the final HoH comps is always endurance, and he has zero chance of winning that against anyone. The second HoH is always some combination of brains and dexterity so he's toast in that one too. You have to win one of these two in order to get to the final HoH comp, which admittedly is a crap shoot, but Cliff getting to that point would require divine intervention.

That's why is was always stupid for Nicole and Cliff to think a F4 deal with Holly and Jackson was a good idea. Those F3 HoH comps are just built for Jackson.

If the fix was in for a Jackson win and there was no other way for any other houseguest to win, I could envision a scenario where other houseguests would say screw this and give up.   At some point I would think most houseguests would just do the bare minimum, collect their check, and go home.   The jury is full of his clique, I seriously doubt they would consider anyone else for the win.

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As I understand it, the increasingly large and elaborate competition set-ups take longer and longer to set up and take down means that the back yard is unavailable to the hamsters for long, long stretches at a time.   Think back to ye olde BB of times past--it seemed most of the conversations and time was spent outside.  Lots of pool lounging, lots of hammock swinging, lots of slumped couch sitting.  Now it seems like everything takes place in either the HOH room--often without the HOH even being present--or what is the boat room in this set.  I think it would be hard to have a regular exercise regimen if you didn't have access to the area in which to actually perform said regimen. 

I remember reading somewhere that was why for celebrity BB, they have to dedicated an inside room to be a gym area so the celebs can continue to keep burning those calories.

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38 minutes ago, tinkerbell said:

When I start to think that the competition is slanted or fixed to favor someone, I question why I watch this show.  I used to see BB as a show that was free of that type of manipulation.  too many "reality" competition shows, seem as though the winner is pre-determined, and the show is scripted for maximum drama, and to craft a storyline leading up to the pre-determined conclusion.  (see any Gordon Ramsey competition, and the god-awful Celebrity Apprentice show) .  

I wonder how many viewers BB has lost over the years for that very reason?

41 minutes ago, tinkerbell said:

Jackson won the veto, after production reminded him of the double negative nature of the task.  that smacks of "oh shit!  Jackson needs to win! he's screwing up the plot!"  And I feel like an idiot for watching, not a REALITY show, but a scripted, crafted, fictional account of a reality show.  

After this season, I would imagine that viewership will really tank, as will the number of feed watchers.

If CBS would bring on new showrunners and clean up all aspects of BB,  I think the ratings would improve.  

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8 minutes ago, HurricaneVal said:

As I understand it, the increasingly large and elaborate competition set-ups take longer and longer to set up and take down means that the back yard is unavailable to the hamsters for long, long stretches at a time.   Think back to ye olde BB of times past--it seemed most of the conversations and time was spent outside.  Lots of pool lounging, lots of hammock swinging, lots of slumped couch sitting.  Now it seems like everything takes place in either the HOH room--often without the HOH even being present--or what is the boat room in this set.  I think it would be hard to have a regular exercise regimen if you didn't have access to the area in which to actually perform said regimen. 

I remember reading somewhere that was why for celebrity BB, they have to dedicated an inside room to be a gym area so the celebs can continue to keep burning those calories.

They should be able to easily find room in the house for a stepper and a treadmill.   They don't take up that much room.  

Heck, throw in a jump rope and an exercise wheel.  They take up no room and can be used anywhere.

ETA:  Cliff could walk around the house, up and down the stairs, that would have helped him at least a little bit with his cardio.  Of course I don't know what he has been eating for the past three months.  Probably not watermelon.

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7 hours ago, RedheadZombie said:

Exactly. We have to just trust that the results are what they say, and I don’t trust them. And now that Jackson has flat out revealed that they cheated for him, the cat’s out of the bag. 

I don't trust them either, when BB has a pet, they will do anything for said pet. I think Jackson had help, and some pople on twitter heard him

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As I understand it, the increasingly large and elaborate competition set-ups take longer and longer to set up and take down means that the back yard is unavailable to the hamsters for long, long stretches at a time.   Think back to ye olde BB of times past--it seemed most of the conversations and time was spent outside.  Lots of pool lounging, lots of hammock swinging, lots of slumped couch sitting.  Now it seems like everything takes place in either the HOH room--often without the HOH even being present--or what is the boat room in this set.

I've noticed it in the rare times I've watched BBAD this season. They always seem to be inside. It's very boring. The show thinks the audience wants to see elaborate set-ups for these comps but the time they spend on putting up these elaborate sets in the back yard aren't adding anything to the actual comps. We don't need an entire back yard filled with goofy visuals to keep us engaged. I guess the show thinks its audience has the attention span of a five-year old.

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2 hours ago, icemiser69 said:

They should be able to easily find room in the house for a stepper and a treadmill.   They don't take up that much room.  

Heck, throw in a jump rope and an exercise wheel.  They take up no room and can be used anywhere.

ETA:  Cliff could walk around the house, up and down the stairs, that would have helped him at least a little bit with his cardio.  Of course I don't know what he has been eating for the past three months.  Probably not watermelon.

I distinctly recall seasons with an inside gym.  I know it was there on the season where Eric was america's player.  They also used to have an elliptical and a treadmill in the backyard.  I recall the elliptical was squeaky and would drive live feeders nuts.   Even if you cant get outside, the house has stairs you can climb and other seasons had houseguests who would lead aerobic sessions inside and out.

Dammit, now I feel guilty for skipping the gym today!

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2 hours ago, icemiser69 said:

I wonder how many viewers BB has lost over the years for that very reason?

Probably not zero, but about as close to zero as possible. Their ratings have been remarkably consistent. They've only gone down the same rate as overall TV audience decline (slightly LESS so, really).

"After this season, I would imagine that viewership will really tank, as will the number of feed watchers."

You would be wrong. No one cares. They do the same shit every year. No one cares. 

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2 hours ago, laurakaye said:

And I swear, the way the show was edited, it looked like Nicole had won that comp, what with Snack having to start and stop 14 times because he was doing it wrong.

I just re-watched it. The editing is definitely wonky. In few of Nicole's scenes she's coming from the wrong direction to hit the buzzer. So either she forgot initially to hit the buzzer (and production reminded her) or there is some serious splicing.  The edit gives the impression that she was remarkably consistent in the shots but if you look at each shot you see multiple balls scattered everywhere.  Just always hard to tell truth - when we have to go by what the producers choose to show us. I think they wanted us to believe Nicole won- in order to drive up the suspense.

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28 minutes ago, Brian Cronin said:

Probably not zero, but about as close to zero as possible. Their ratings have been remarkably consistent. They've only gone down the same rate as overall TV audience decline (slightly LESS so, really).

"After this season, I would imagine that viewership will really tank, as will the number of feed watchers."

You would be wrong. No one cares. They do the same shit every year. No one cares. 

Agreed.  It doesn't matter how much production interferes with the show or how many dickheads they cast, this is our crack and we'll be back every season until the show is cancelled.  We're dummies.

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29 minutes ago, Tuxcat said:

I just re-watched it. The editing is definitely wonky. In few of Nicole's scenes she's coming from the wrong direction to hit the buzzer. So either she forgot initially to hit the buzzer (and production reminded her) or there is some serious splicing.  The edit gives the impression that she was remarkably consistent in the shots but if you look at each shot you see multiple balls scattered everywhere.  Just always hard to tell truth - when we have to go by what the producers choose to show us. I think they wanted us to believe Nicole won- in order to drive up the suspense.

What I didn't understand with Nicole was that she seemed to be walking around than rushing, maybe it was to conserve energy or to think more.  But it was such a stark contrast to Jackson it was hard to believe she beat him.

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1 hour ago, Brian Cronin said:

You would be wrong. No one cares. They do the same shit every year. No one cares. 

At least some people do care, otherwise they wouldn't bother complaining about it.   Now, whether most of them still watch the show is unknown.   I am sure there are at least a few that are so frustrated that they have stopped watching.  Perhaps they lose some of those frustrated viewers and gain some new viewers. 

Also, the show has been on somewhere around twenty years.    Some of their viewers must have died off, and replaced by younger viewers.

We are also in the era of social media mobs, they can have an influence on the viewership numbers, and perhaps influence change in how BB is being run.   Whether they should have an influence is a whole other question.

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9 hours ago, North of Eden said:

What I don't like is every year they bring in Dr. Will who has not been relevant since BB2 to actively try to SWAY jury members on how to vote. I wish they would drop him. Warhol said 15 MINUETES of fame not 15 YEARS.

I don't mind the Dr. Will segment every year, only because I get to judge how much filler he's put into his face and how many chemical peels he should have stepped back from. He's starting to get that puffy look that women of a certain age with too much plastic surgery get and that tickles my funny bone. His hair especially looks hilarious right now according to his Twitter account. Who knew Pepé Le Pew was the in thing for men's hair this year? 

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I know it would take the "suspense" away when announcing the winner,  but it would be nice if there was a timer going while each person is doing these timed comps to prove their time.   Mr..  Tostandon and I both thought for sure Nichol won.  If she had,  I really doubt CliffHog would have voted out Jerkson. 

As big of a fan of the show Nichol claims to be,  I wonder if she sat there in embarrassment as CliffHog was laying out the veto ground rules to Holly.  I also wonder if CliffHog has ever really seen BB, all of his demands were ridiculous.  He sure did take pride in shouting "I LOVE BIG BROTHER!". 

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17 hours ago, DakotaLavender said:

 I watched that veto comp and wow! Jackson sure had to have taken more than 11 minutes to complete that task. I call bullsh*t. 

The fact that he said production was reminding him to leave UP the ones who were the answers to the question, makes me mad.   the double negative nature of the task is designed to make it HARDER.  Let him do the opposite, and take more time!  

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