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S01.E03: Episode 3


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My favorite scene so far is Karen yelling at her team members.

I adore Wever to bits and Collette is bringing it as usual. Both are powerhouse actors and mesmerizing to watch.

Episode one was too sad; I had to quit halfway through and skip forward to the start of the investigation.

Looking forward to watching these two determined, clever, fierce women track down that rapist asshole.

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"Bitch, you are on your game." The ending of this ep was a "fuck yeah!" moment. I too want Merrit, Toni (and Dale Dickey!) investigating everything, ever. I don't need any more shows with damaged-but-secretly-genius (male) cops; gimme (female) kickass competence.

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Loved seeing Dale Dickey!   I have to admit that I think I'm going to start fast forwarding past Marie, it's just too awful.  Knowing that it is based on a true story (I assume this all happened to Marie) makes it even worse.

Yeah for competent women!  

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Is this the episode with the Marie and Conner night time beach scene? Where she explains why she had trouble with LE and telling the truth (that she WAS raped)? That was heartbreaking, that scene. I cried. 

This show is excellent! 

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On 9/14/2019 at 8:24 AM, Corgi-ears said:

"Bitch, you are on your game." The ending of this ep was a "fuck yeah!" moment. I too want Merrit, Toni (and Dale Dickey!) investigating everything, ever. I don't need any more shows with damaged-but-secretly-genius (male) cops; gimme (female) kickass competence.

Agreed!  This show is a master class on why we need more women in law enforcement.

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3 hours ago, ErinV said:

Agreed!  This show is a master class on why we need more women in law enforcement.

I be happy with just more competent law enforcement. I don't care about the gender. I want people who properly know how to do their job. And know how to execute.

That being said, I wish every victim had law enforcement like these two on their case.

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On 9/14/2019 at 7:47 AM, 2727 said:

Looking forward to watching these two determined, clever, fierce women track down that rapist asshole.

What really impresses me is how the two detectives are smart but not like Sherlock style over the top geniuses, but they are willing to put in the work and figure things out. Even if it means watching hours of security footage and noting every car or spending a crazy amount of time calling other detectives. Nothing is handed to them and nothing is a simple set of progressive steps.

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I love watching how freaking hard working and competent that Karen and Grace are, just checking out leads and doing the leg work and just making all after call, plugging away to find connections between all of these rape cases. Watching the story with Marie is so sad and anger inducing, so its extra fulfilling to see them kicking ass and working to get justice. 

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11 hours ago, tennisgurl said:

I love watching how freaking hard working and competent that Karen and Grace are, just checking out leads and doing the leg work and just making all after call, plugging away to find connections between all of these rape cases. Watching the story with Marie is so sad and anger inducing, so its extra fulfilling to see them kicking ass and working to get justice. 

It is so damn satisfying. And a welcome change from those "genius man detective" shows that are all about showing up, looking at the evidence, and having the sudden stroke of brilliance that solves the whole thing. It's not about being a genius, it's about doing the work. (Something that is presumably not beyond the capabilities of the male detectives in ep. 1, btw.) It's wholly satisfying, realistic, and illustrates better than probably any crime show I've ever seen what makes your average investigator "good" or "bad."

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Anyone who watches IDTV, knows that there are many cops, male and female, who care deeply about their victims (and their families), and their cases. The way that Karen and Grace are working chasing down leads is exactly what they do on a daily basis: watching security footage, exploring numerous leads, knocking on doors. 

I wasn't going to watch this series, but I got sucked in quickly. In fact, I'm not a binge-watcher at all, preferring to watch an epidsode at a time, but with this show, I've been watching two at at time. It's very well done.

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10 hours ago, Slovenly Muse said:

It is so damn satisfying. And a welcome change from those "genius man detective" shows that are all about showing up, looking at the evidence, and having the sudden stroke of brilliance that solves the whole thing. It's not about being a genius, it's about doing the work. (Something that is presumably not beyond the capabilities of the male detectives in ep. 1, btw.) It's wholly satisfying, realistic, and illustrates better than probably any crime show I've ever seen what makes your average investigator "good" or "bad."

It is also nice because it isn't a procedural where a case has to be wrapped up at the end of the episode. So you don't have to have a very simple investigation where witness A leads to piece of evidence B which leads to witness C which leads to the suspect. So you can show the detectives spending time on the cars videos that might not lead anywhere. Or you can have the cop who used to be Patty the Daytime Hooker say she went through every single leg body marking in the prison system and didn't find a thing. You can have luck play a factor as well. It reminds me of the first season of The Wire.

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On 9/16/2019 at 7:49 PM, Racj82 said:

I be happy with just more competent law enforcement. I don't care about the gender. I want people who properly know how to do their job. And know how to execute.

That being said, I wish every victim had law enforcement like these two on their case.

You really don’t think sex (not gender) matters?

You really think that if Marie had been interviewed by female detectives this wouldn’t have made a difference?

I think it would have. Why on earth is a rape victim even questioned by two male detectives to begin with? 

Rape is a very sex-specific crime: rapists and male and victims are overwhelmingly female.

Detective Rassmussen (not sure about the spelling) point it out in a later episode about the FBI guy: where is his rage?

Men are not afraid to be raped so to them it’s not as « high-profile » as a crime. They don’t view rape as something you never recover from since, well, they don’t walk around afraid of being raped whereas for women it’s a constant threat we live with everyday.

Sex absolutely matters.

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50 minutes ago, arsenic said:

You really don’t think sex (not gender) matters?

You really think that if Marie had been interviewed by female detectives this wouldn’t have made a difference?

I think it would have. Why on earth is a rape victim even questioned by two male detectives to begin with? 

Rape is a very sex-specific crime: rapists and male and victims are overwhelmingly female.

Detective Rassmussen (not sure about the spelling) point it out in a later episode about the FBI guy: where is his rage?

Men are not afraid to be raped so to them it’s not as « high-profile » as a crime. They don’t view rape as something you never recover from since, well, they don’t walk around afraid of being raped whereas for women it’s a constant threat we live with everyday.

Sex absolutely matters.

There is literally a victim that has shared her experience in the forums that spoke about how well she was treated by her two male detectives and nothing in this show mirrored her experience with them.

Why? Because it's not a gender thing. If you are going to be a cop dealing with victims, you should be trained to do so. I don't care about theirr gender. And since not every detective will or should be a woman, proper training and guidance is what I want.

Not every woman will be as thoughtful and mindful as the two great detectives we have here and not every man will be a uncaring by the book dickhead like these two male detectives.

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On 9/18/2019 at 7:09 AM, Racj82 said:

Not every woman will be as thoughtful and mindful as the two great detectives we have here and not every man will be a uncaring by the book dickhead like these two male detectives.

The two foster moms (one even a rape survivor herself) have already shown that other women can disbelieve and discredit female rape survivors. This show has done well to depict how anyone, women and men, police and civilian, can react appropriately or in bad faith in rape cases. Education and empathy make more of a difference in that reaction than sex or gender.

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I can't understand why on earth Marie's name was revealed in the press. Even if she had given a false testimony, she hadn't charged any specific man. As she hadn't destroyed any man's reputation for nothing, why destroy hers? Plus, she wasn't even of age. 

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I haven't been spoiled as to casting on this show, so when Toni Collette pops up, and then Spooge's woman from Breaking Bad (Dale Dickey, now I know your name and not just your great work), it's such a delight in what can be a difficult show to watch. And bonus,  now I know who Merritt Wever is ☺

Love Karen's home life, down to the little details like the gun safe right by the back door, and that though she does research via laptop, her note taking is pure analog, on lined paper. That's very endearing, somehow.

And both female detectives' bright and shiny workplaces are like the work version of real estate porn ☺

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I laughed so hard when the tech told Merritt Wever that he couldn't improve the low resolution video image enough to get a license plate number and she told him to use a better program but was told that this was the program that the FBI and CIA use. It's been a pet peeve of mine on procedurals and other fictional crime shows when they manage to enhance a totally fuzzy image from across the street enough to get a license plate or other identifiable information. As frustrating as it was for the police to not be able to get a license plate number in real life, I found this particular scene a lot more realistic than the tv shows where they can magically do this and get something legible.

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