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BigDfromLA
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Interesting that Liev Schrieber has a show on Showtime, but is also the voice of HBO Sports. He is the narrator for "Hard Knocks" and the boxing documentaries. He is quite an outstanding narrator.

scrb
scrb

Katie Holmes will be great.   Ray can work for some famous star who belongs to a cult which tries to quash any criticisms of the cult.

ElectricBoogaloo
ElectricBoogaloo

S4 promo:

Joimiaroxeu

Joimiaroxeu

I mentioned in over in the last episode's thread; probably should've dropped the news link here too.

It'll be interesting to see how that works out for Ray. In Hollywood he's providing a relatively unique service but I doubt that will be the case in New York. Plus, in NYC there's going to be a much bigger organized crime factor, not to mention local gangs and the NYPD. The Donovans will become much smaller fish in a huge pond.

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Loandbehold

Loandbehold

1 hour ago, Joimiaroxeu said:

It'll be interesting to see how that works out for Ray. In Hollywood he's providing a relatively unique service but I doubt that will be the case in New York. Plus, in NYC there's going to be a much bigger organized crime factor, not to mention local gangs and the NYPD. The Donovans will become much smaller fish in a huge pond.

Ray could become a fixer for the financial community. Big banks and brokerage houses. Lots of corruption, still have people with gobs of money whop have lavish parties (even if it isn't the go-go 80s anymore), so lots of opportunity for problems to arise. 

If Ray is in NYC, I would hope that Bunchy, Darryl, and Mickey (if he survives this season) stay in LA. Along with Connah. Have Ray, Lena, Avi (if Ray would allow him back), handling the problems that need a fixin' and Terry for the Donovan family dramaz.  

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Loandbehold

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Ray Donovan Season 6

There is a casting spoiler at the top of the article, so don't click if you don't want to know. As for the return date, this April article was the latest I could find:

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Production begins this month in New York on the show’s sixth season, which is slated for a fall premiere.

 

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scrb

scrb

I heard they will start filming in NY in the spring.

So they probably planned to film both seasons, if not more, in NY all along.

That means they could continue a lot of the stories from this season into season 7.  Producers probably pitched it to Showtime that way and they probably knew they were going to get these two seasons in NY and probably wrote the scripts with that assumption.

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RealReality

RealReality

5 minutes ago, scrb said:

Canceled.

Liev has posted to IG that fans needed to let Showtime know they wanted another season.

Maybe Netflix can pick it up?

How funny, I was just coming to post the same thing.  They managed to give designated survivor a final season and I think the last season of Ray Donovan ended with so many unfinished stories that Netflix would get viewers.  

I'm really surprised showtime didn't give it an eighth season.  

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preeya

preeya

47 minutes ago, scrb said:

Canceled.

Liev has posted to IG that fans needed to let Showtime know they wanted another season.

Maybe Netflix can pick it up?

This is a cop-out.  Fans always tell networks not to cancel shows, although usually too late because the network has already cancelled it. It happens all the time. Then there are the shit-shows that should be cancelled and they keep getting renewed. Case in point: Shameless, also on Showtime. It should have been cancelled when Amy Rossum quit. The result, it was renewed and it has become a total crap-fest.

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RealReality

RealReality

3 hours ago, preeya said:

This is a cop-out.  Fans always tell networks not to cancel shows, although usually too late because the network has already cancelled it. It happens all the time. Then there are the shit-shows that should be cancelled and they keep getting renewed. Case in point: Shameless, also on Showtime. It should have been cancelled when Amy Rossum quit. The result, it was renewed and it has become a total crap-fest.

LS's plea may have been directed at Netflix, who, I believe have picked up shows in the past that have a vocal fan base but no home.  

I'm not sure if it could work for them but I think it would be a great fit, because they would really only pay for the final season.  They could even do an abbreviated season, like 8 or 9 episodes.  

I know they picked up designated survivor, but I cannot remember if Netflix had all the seasons available to stream.  I think that's the only way it makes sense for them. 

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preeya

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20 minutes ago, RealReality said:

I know they picked up designated survivor, but I cannot remember if Netflix had all the seasons available to stream.  I think that's the only way it makes sense for them. 

I think they [Netflix] intended to run DS for more than one season but it failed to catch on. Also there was much negativity regarding language and sexual content vs what was aired on network TV, which wouldn't be an issue with RD.

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Joimiaroxeu

Joimiaroxeu

This is disappointing news. Showtime should've at least let them wrap up the storylines. Almost everything was left hanging, and not in a deliberate way like, say, The Sopranos.

Despite was Liev has said, I've gotten the feeling he's grown weary of this show. Maybe he's trying to look out for others who might not have as easy a time picking up new jobs.

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Robert Lynch

Robert Lynch

13 hours ago, Joimiaroxeu said:

This is disappointing news. Showtime should've at least let them wrap up the storylines. Almost everything was left hanging, and not in a deliberate way like, say, The Sopranos.

Despite was Liev has said, I've gotten the feeling he's grown weary of this show. Maybe he's trying to look out for others who might not have as easy a time picking up new jobs.

I wondered if it was Jon Voigt's tweets that sealed the show's cancellation...

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preeya

preeya

3 hours ago, Joimiaroxeu said:

If Voight was being what TPTB considered problematic on social media why not just kill Mickey off? Probably half the audience has been wanting him dead for several seasons now.

I 2nd that thought.

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scrb

scrb

I'm no fan of Voight's politics but Mickey was one of the best characters on the show.

Well at least a few seasons ago anyways, when he showed some charisma.

But then they kind of changed him into this money-chasing, bloodthirsty geriatric gangster and he didn't have that light side where he's dancing to old '70s or 80s songs like he used to.

Instead he dropped a lot of bodies, with this sense of entitlement about deserving a lot of money.

First it was with the casino guy, where he just massacred a lot of people because his half-baked plans got his gf killed.

Then with Sullivan, it was like he had this decades-long resentment and burning desire for vengeance, which wasn't evident in previous seasons.

I don't even recall any talk about the Sullivans until this season, or maybe it was part of last season.

Given the huge role they played in their years in Boston, you'd think we'd have heard of them sooner.  Well we heard of Sully Sullivan, James Woods, in the early seasons.

But it was this season that they had all those flashbacks involving the Sullivans and none of them involved Sully.

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LoveLeigh

LoveLeigh

Liev Schreiber was encouraging the fans to lobby Showtime for an 8th season. Maybe Showtime did not like having their arm twisted and the cancellation was a push back. 

The ratings were very low for season 7 and maybe that was what provoked the final decision. I think the idea of having Netflix pick the series up for a final season is a great idea. I am disappointed to see this show end. 

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Sam Spayaid

Sam Spayaid

I despised Mickey! Thought he was the most useless character on the whole show. He had zero redeeming qualities starting off with the fact he should probably win the Worst Dad Of The Year Award what with his ignoring a dying wife and treating his kids like inconveniences. His selfish cluelessness put those around him in continuous danger. He was a horrible human being and I was so disappointed that he survived getting blown to kingdom come which is what he deserved for so long.

One more season would have been nice. There are many unanswered questions still hanging because that last episode hinted at a series' finale but it was never really said.

With so much useless shit out there, this show will truly be missed.

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Robert Lynch

Robert Lynch

But I was wondering if Jon Voight's politics was the final straw for the head honchos at Showtime? I mean, remember Roseanne's bizarre behavior at ABC and thus killing her character off...that was definitely something the execs had to do. Politics or not, it's a business decision. 

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scrb

scrb

I don't really follow social media but I heard about the stuff Roseanne was posting.

I know Voight is really conservative but haven't heard about his social media activity.

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Joimiaroxeu

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Voight's been in the Hollywood game a lot longer than Roseanne has. He probably knows how to express himself on a public platform without sounding like an utter lunatic. Whatever, someone said on reddit that RD was cancelled because of the CBS/Viacom merger. There are new players involved who don't give a sh!t.

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scrb

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https://ew.com/tv/2020/02/05/ray-donovan-david-hollander-reacts-cancellation/

 

This adds to the speculation that it was mainly a money issue.  The cast and the people who run the show wanted more than Showtime was willing to pay.

 

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And now Ray Donovan showrunner David Hollander is speaking out about that decision to end the series after seven seasons without advance warning — especially since the season 7 finale left all the characters on a divided and unsatisfying note.

“We’re still scratching our heads. We had no indicator that the show was ending,” Hollander says in an interview with Vulture. “We were behaving creatively as though we were in mid-sentence. And so, there was no sense that this was going to be a completion. This was in no way a series finale.”

Hollander wonders if the recent CBS/Viacom merger had any sway over the executive decision to cancel Ray Donovan — one of Showtime’s marquee shows that he claims was never “even remotely” on the bubble before. “The corporate elements of show business are complicated and often mired in things that will never be spoken out loud,” he says. “I think the easiest external impact was the merger. Whatever new environment grew from the merger clearly had some impact on their choice… We were so used to it being the other way, where we were burned out by a show that was very hard to make and the network would pull us and cajole us and push us. We were used to being a show that was notcanceled. We never thought we would be canceled.”

The showrunner also reveals that season 8 was supposed to have been the final season, and he already had a plan in place creatively for the story. “The pivot we had been making narratively was to move the backstory into the present and run it concurrently,” Hollander says. “So there were actually two stories to be told: What happened then, really, and how will that impact what happens now? The next step was what happened with Ray and Mickey [Jon Voight] in the ’90s, which would have been the creation of Ray Donovan as a character and as a fixer. That’s why we went into such detail to find the right cast.”

 

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