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Who do you think killed Bryce? And do you agree he deserved it? I'm thinking it was either Tony cause of how he showed up out of nowhere, Jessica's father or Bryce realized what a jerk he was and killed himself.  That's my 3 picks. The main reason I watch is principal Gary Bolan aka Steven Weber. I'm only 38 and have a huge crush on him. 

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3.1

I didn't do a rewatch of S1-S2 before starting S3 so I remembered the main characters like Clay, Jess, and Zach but my first reaction to seeing Cyrus again was, "Uh, who is this Adam Lambert wannabe?" I totally forgot about him during the hiatus.

If they're going to spend all season doing flashbacks to the spring fling plus flashbacks to homecoming, I'm probably going to get annoyed. It's not that it's confusing because I can tell the difference between the present and the flashbacks. I just don't need an entire season with three different timelines that we're following. I know that flashbacks are an established part of the show, but I just don't want the show to go overboard with them.

All of the characters are concerned that Bryce is missing but thanks to all the promos for S3, the audience already knows that he's dead so that kind of takes away from the mystery of "Where's Bryce?"

One detail that I forgot I liked about this show is that these kids still call the parents Mr./Mrs. [Last Name]. I grew up the same way so it's always jarring for me to hear kids call their friends' parents by their first names.

I find it somewhat amusing that Mary Alice, the dead character on Desperate Housewives, is now the mother of dead Bryce and trying to figure out what happened to him.

I guess Zach is supposed to be the one who wants no more secrets and to report stuff to the police before things get really out of hand (which is kind of funny considering that even when he was giving those polaroids to Clay in S2, he was being surreptitious about it). I'm okay with the show wanting one of the characters to have an opposing point of view and I get the logic behind why he wanted to tell the truth about what Tyler did at the spring fling. As much as Clay wants to help Tyler avoid the fate he described (expulsion and jail), they are all high school kids and they're not really equipped to provide Tyler with the kind of help he needs (and they don't even know the whole story).

I laughed when Ani told Clay that for a sourpuss, he had a lot of friends. This was after he was shown to have all of TWO friends. I guess Ani's bar is set pretty low.

Awww, I love that Clay and Justin share a room now!

And the mystery deepens. Bryce did something nice for Tyler? I hope this isn't the beginning of the show trying to redeem Bryce. I don't care how many nice things he did in secret or that his daddy abandoned him. He still raped a lot of girls and he was a bullying asshole.

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3.2

Ugh, I CANNOT WITH BRYCE. His whole little speech to Chloe about how he wanted to change made me want to vomit. If you want to change and be a better person, you can start by (1) not raping people and (2) taking responsibility for your actions aka admitting what you did instead of lying about it. Fuck this guy.

I felt bad for Jessica because Courtney is right - the student council doesn't have the power to change things. Running for student body president is not really an effective way to change things. I don't mean that in a cynical way. Student councils are given tasks like deciding on the homecoming theme or which spirit days to have (pajama day or farmer day?). They are not given the power to change policies.

As president, Jessica is more visible which does give her the opportunity to rally support among the student body, but 99% of the things that people want to change or claim they will change if they are elected to student council are things that they don't have the authority to change. While I'm all for Jessica's passion, I am afraid that she's setting herself up for disappointment.

Fuck those faux clinics that trick girls into coming in so that they can guilt trip them into keeping their fetuses. Because obviously the best choice for a high school girl is to have a baby. FFS. Ugh and the fake escort? Gawd.

Aww, I love that Tony is teaching Tyler and Alex to box. I hope this helps Tyler gain some confidence. If nothing else, it's giving him something to do with other people (as opposed to sitting in his room replaying what happened in his head on an endless loop).

Monty continues to suck. No surprise there.

I'm having a hard time with how Ani is interrogating everyone. Like why is everyone okay with her just jumping in and questioning them about Bryce?

Am I honestly supposed to feel bad that Bryce's new classmates at Hillcrest are giving him shit for being a rapist? BECAUSE I DO NOT. He has suffered almost NO consequences for being a serial rapist and now his poor little feelings are hurt because people are calling him out for raping his friend's girlfriend aka THE TRUTH? The shitty way he feels now is nothing compared to how horrible Hannah and Jessica felt after he raped them so again I say fuck this guy.

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3.3

The nonchalant way Bryce reacted to Jessica confronting him just showed me that he's still a privileged jackass. "I took things too far"? That's how he describes raping people? He shouldn't have even walked into the room, let alone kicked Justin out so that he could rape an unconscious Jessica, but apparently that's just taking things a little too far. This is what's wrong with abusers like Bryce. By saying that he took things too far, he clearly thinks that what he did was okay up until a certain point when the truth is that the entire situation was wrong.

And then when Jessica flat out told him that he had destroyed people's lives, he just calmly said, "I hope that's not true." SHE JUST TOLD YOU THAT'S TRUE. Gawd. Denial until the bitter end. He still sees himself as the victim in all of this, to the point where he told Ani that he was the one who was fucked.

Instead of saying, "I only want the best for you," he could admitted that he raped her and apologized for violating her physically and emotionally. But of course, he was so busy feeling sorry for himself that he refused to admit the damage that he's done to all of these people.

Later he told Jessica that he talked to Justin to apologize but he never actually said the words, "I AM SORRY" or "I APOLOGIZE" to Justin. He just said, "I fucked up." If you're going to apologize then just apologize. Say the actual words. Do not substitute other words and then tell yourself it's an apology. And then he had the nerve to tell Jessica, "I don't know what you want me to do or say." How about admitting what you did in plain English and apologizing sincerely instead of acting like you're the one who's been inconvenienced by these pesky rape accusations? You can't just say, "I'm not that person anymore," and expect the person you raped to believe it. 

I wish that Jessica's response had been, "Oh, you don't know what you can say or do? For starters, you can call a press conference and admit that YOU RAPED ME and then lied about it in court."

Ani and Clay jumping to the conclusion that Justin killed Bryce and then just bursting into their motel room and saying they would do whatever they could to keep them out of jail - seriously, you guys, SLOW YOUR ROLL.

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Give me 13 Reasons Why we need yet another season of this show. I wasn't aware they were going for round three. Should have known they would as it is a cash cow for Netflix. But with the original premise feeling very complete in and of itself, everything beyond that seems like more CW teen drama piled on top of DRAMA!!

That being said, I find myself half watching while playing games on my tablet.  Maybe that's why I can't tell the flashbacks for Spring Fling from Homecoming, because I'm not paying enough attention. Nor do I really remember all the characters. Guess I'd better watch the recap. I'm assuming there is one?

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I'm on E4 and not feeling it like the past seasons.

I did enjoy the guys at Bryce's new school treating him like the rapist POS he was.

Not liking the Ani character. How does this new girl just show up and jump right into the mix with everyone telling her details?? None of these things in the past have anything to do with her but she's Miss Inspector Gadget eavesdropping, questioning people, and doing stakeouts with Clay...Really?

The scene with Jessica ..."freeing" herself was not needed and felt very out of place.

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I'm about to start Episode 2. I'm glad Bryce is dead. Agreed that the whole mystery over his whereabouts is moot since we already know he's dead. Death is too easy and quick for that scumbag. I wanted him to suffer. There's nothing this show could do or tell that would redeem him in any way, for me. Just saying that now.

Not a big fan of this new character popping up and 'knowing all.' 

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I could really do without the attempted redemption arc of Bryce. I really don't give a shit that life isn't going well for him and that no one likes him, and WOW the show barking is up the wrong tree if it thinks I'm going to care.

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9 hours ago, 80sBaby said:

Not liking the Ani character. How does this new girl just show up and jump right into the mix with everyone telling her details?? None of these things in the past have anything to do with her but she's Miss Inspector Gadget eavesdropping, questioning people, and doing stakeouts with Clay...Really?

Yeah, I'm almost finished Episode 1 and I'm finding it hard to finish BECAUSE of Ani.

I think I could have liked her if they didn't turn her into the main lead girl, Clay's sidekick, someone who's basically in EVERYONE'S business, knows all the main characters, and is seemingly an active participant while her voiceovers are indicating that she's tattling on Clay and everyone. Not that they wouldn't deserve it since they don't some stuff, but....you can't get me to care for a new character by inserting her right in the middle of the drama AND have her telling, presumably the police, everything. 

I don't know what Ani's deal is. Whether she's romantically with Clay or they're just good friends or whatnot, and I can't say that I care why Clay's pissy at her, but....man, I'm just really bothered by Ani. I want to like her because she seems like an interesting character and I like how she calls out Clay's anger all of the time and how he can't loosen up, but....it feels like they're shoving Ani down my throat and I don't like having characters shoved down my throat, especially in a third season and especially when I'm trying to remember what happened last season in the first place. 

I know I'll keep watching because there are characters that still interest me, but...man, is it going to take me longer this season to binge watch.

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I wish this show had episode by episode topics. I want to participate in the discussion as I watch, but spoilers! Sigh. Guess I'll have to see what the At Least We Tried to Get Justice League is up to all by my lonesome.

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7 hours ago, ShortyMac said:

I'm about to start Episode 2. I'm glad Bryce is dead. Agreed that the whole mystery over his whereabouts is moot since we already know he's dead.

Just finished episode two, and this is my thought process, too. 

The storyline would have been far more compelling had the entire marketing campaign for the season not revolved around asking who killed Bryce

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37 minutes ago, bettername2come said:

I wish this show had episode by episode topics. I want to participate in the discussion as I watch, but spoilers! Sigh. Guess I'll have to see what the At Least We Tried to Get Justice League is up to all by my lonesome.

Same. I'm basically staying off of social media until I watch the whole season. I'm through episode 5.

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1 minute ago, ShortyMac said:

Same. I'm basically staying off of social media until I watch the whole season. I'm through episode 5.

I’m thinking the safest, spoiler friendly way to do this might be giving the episode number and putting  what you want to say in Spoiler Tags.

On that note:

Episode 3: 

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This new Casey girl that has been seen has given me some seriously weird vibes that she’s going to be important later on  

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Ani can miss me with her "I could feel bryce's pain" BS. Oh poor Bryce, he has pain. Good. You don't need to play captain save-a-dick. 

Also, Ani, it wasn't a river they found him in. It's a part of the bay. Also, LOL at the actor playing Bryce forgetting not to breathe when they found his 'dead' body.

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Since we only have one discussion thread for the entire season, I apologize in advance but I am not reading any posts in this thread because I don't want to be spoiled. I am literally holding my hand over the screen as I scroll down so I can post about each episode without accidentally reading what has happened later in the season. After I finish S3, I'll go back and read everyone else's posts but for now your posts do not exist to me!

3.4

I don't know why Tony didn't just tell Tyler why Clay couldn't be there that morning. They're mostly trying to be honest with each other, so Tony being vague and just saying Clay couldn't come served no purpose beyond the usual soap opera-esque drama. Everyone knows that Justin moved in with Clay's family so it's not a secret. Telling Tyler that Clay had to be there for the social worker's visit isn't some shameful thing that Clay and Tony need to hide from Tyler. I hate when shows have characters withhold information just to create drama and tension. Why is it okay for Tony and Ani and everyone else to know that Clay was at home talking to the social worker but Tyler had to think that Clay just ditched him?

I don't know why the social worker was so insistent on finding out what common interests Clay and Justin had. Although I did make friends in high school with people who were in my extracurricular activities, there were also people I was friends with who I didn't really share common interests with. The fact that we had a class together or rode the same bus was often enough to become friends. Honestly, at that age you don't need common interests to maintain a friendship. Proximity is often all you need.

Why did the social worker schedule her visit in the middle of the day when the kids were supposed to be at school? It seems stupid to make two kids miss class when the obvious solution would have been to schedule the family visit after 3pm.

I still don't understand how or why everyone in the group trusts Ani enough to let her in on all their old secrets from before they even knew her.

And for a group of kids who are trying to keep so many secrets, they're not very smart to talk about how Tyler might have been the one to kill Bryce IN THE MIDDLE OF CLASS. When Jessica told Alex to keep his voice down, I just rolled me eyes. Even when you whisper, the people in your immediate vicinity can still hear you so just don't talk about this stuff at school!

Bryce showing up at the movie theater with two coffee cups but Alex didn't question him about that? I'm no Sherlock but even I noticed that.

Ahh, Monty continuing the age old tradition of thinking that saying someone is gay is the worst possible insult.

Gawd, Clay. If you're going to snoop, then SNOOP FASTER!

Damn, that conversation between Clay and Tyler about dreams and the spring fling was intense. I was a little surprised that Clay point blank asked Tyler if he would have shot him.

Once again, Clay rushes headfirst into accusing someone without even knowing what he's accusing him. That whole "whatever you did it's going to be okay" thing as soon as Tyler closed his bedroom door had me rolling my eyes. Didn't you JUST do this with Jessica and Justin, like, two days ago? Have you learned nothing about jumping to conclusions? I did laugh when Tyler exasperatedly said, "Do you think I'm going to stab you in my own house?"

I was really surprised that Tyler demanded an apology from Monty. As usual, Monty is an insufferable dick. Telling Tyler to get over being raped because it's the same thing that has happened to lots of other guys.

Also surprising was how calm Bryce was when Tyler burst in, pointed a gun at him, and asked him if he authorized Monty to rape him.

The Veronica Mars fan in my loved that Tyler's secret hiding place is the vent.

I keep cracking up that Captain Acevedo is now Sheriff Daughtry.

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7 hours ago, bettername2come said:

I wish this show had episode by episode topics. I want to participate in the discussion as I watch, but spoilers! Sigh. Guess I'll have to see what the At Least We Tried to Get Justice League is up to all by my lonesome.

Same here. I had to deal with this problem with shows that only had one thread for everything and the way I deal with it is to put my hand over the screen, scroll down, and post about each episode without reading any of the other posts so I can avoid spoilers. I come from the old school internet where you are supposed to read all previous posts before posting, so I feel incredibly rude just posting without reading everyone else's posts first, but my need to not be spoiled in a thread where you can discuss the whole fucking season trumps my need to be a good internet citizen and read all the previous posts first.

7 hours ago, Last Time Lord said:

The storyline would have been far more compelling had the entire marketing campaign for the season not revolved around asking who killed Bryce

I totally agree. It really takes away all the drama and suspense for every episode where the characters are freaking out about where Bryce is and trying to figure out where he could be. We already knew he was dead before the season aired so every time the characters discuss all the possibilities of where Bryce could be, I'm just drumming my fingers waiting for the plot to catch up to the promos.

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3.5

One thing that is really not working for me this season is Ani as the narrator. I know we're supposed to be getting it as her statement to the police, but that doesn't make it any less annoying to have her as the inside person of this group.

Something I have liked this season is that Nora has made no attempt to deny that Bryce was a terrible person who did terrible things or make excuses for him when discussing him with other people. She flat out told Clay in the first episode that she knew Bryce had hurt him and his friends and done monstrous things. I'm glad that she isn't one of those mothers who is in total denial about her precious baby and insisting that he's being perfect.

I feel bad for Alex because it sucks when you really like someone and they don't feel the same way. But I also feel bad for Jessica because she can't help who she likes. If we were capable of making ourselves like the best people and be attracted to the nice people, life would be so much easier. Unfortunately, it doesn't work that way.

I totally cracked up when the principal told Jessica that he's a feminist and she was like pfffft.

Ugh, Bryce SUCKS for saying that Monty was the only decent person left at Liberty. Yeah, all those people who hate you for being a rapist are the worst, huh?

I still don't understand why any of these kids subject themselves to being interrogated by Ani and Clay (especially some kid from Hillcrest who doesn't even know them), let alone why they tell Ani and Clay the truth. Apparently Clay's interrogation style is now to just walk up to people and ask them if they murdered Bryce. Why would you do something that dumb with someone like Monty who already hates you?

Am I really supposed to believe that Alex was doing coke with Bryce, fucking a prostitute, and breaking & entering? Buying steroids from him was believable though.

When Bryce said his grandfather was an angry racist homophobic piece of shit, I thought hey, maybe that's why you like Monty so much, Bryce!

No surprise that Monty is a closeted self loathing gay jock who beats the shit out of someone ten minutes after getting a blow job from him.

And of course Tony is the one who gets all of his stuff unceremoniously dumped onto the floor during locker checks while the football players get nice police searches. Does Alex's dad know what an asshole his employee is?

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Binged the whole season in one sitting.  Okay, two sittings.  Not entirely sure how I feel about it to be honest.  I mean I liked it but I may need to go back and re-watch to be sure I buy the whole narrative.  No actual spoilers forthcoming but ...

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Tyler's story was so far superior to everything else than happens.  It was really the only thing I felt an emotional attachment to at any point.  But by the end it was like they'd beaten it into the ground to where it lessened the initial impact.  I cried when he first said what happened to him but with each successive reveal it felt like they'd mined for gold too long in the same location.  Still riveting, but it began to feel manipulative if that makes sense.  It's as if instead of an "applause" sign lighting up for the audience, we got a "cry here" sign instead.  Nonetheless, I loved his arc.

A lot will be said about trying to give Bryce a redemption arc, but I took it more as pointing out that people are rarely just one thing.  Evil or good.  I think in the balance we'll all still remember him as the worst, but that doesn't mean he wasn't capable of being decent at times.  Which I think was part of the hypocrisy they added at then end.  Everyone is pretty gray but some are left to forever be tarnished because they're expendable, deemed unworthy.  And these are decisions made by "good" people who in their capacity decide who is worthy and who is not.  Don't get me wrong, the villains are still very much the villains but I think it becomes increasingly hard to figure out who the good guys are. 

For those still in the early episodes, Ani does become less annoying.  And by less I mean they let her fade a bit into the background.  By the end, it all made more sense but I still understand why people don't initially flock to her character.  She's annoying and far too involved with little cognitive reasoning attached.  I actually think you could have omitted her completely and still put forth a compelling narrative.  She serves a purpose, I guess, but it could have been pulled off without her for sure.  

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S3.E6

How is it that no one has found Bryce's phone yet and seen the threatening text that Clay sent to him?

Ironic that Bryce was demanding his grandfather respect his mother. Bryce seemed fine with violating and disrespecting multiple girls. I guess his mother is the only woman in the entire world who deserves respect. Now if only someone had demanded that he respect Hannah, Jessica, and Chloe.

The shit that Alex's dad said to Tony is exactly why people don't like the police. First he threatened Javier and when Tony (FINALLY) said he wanted a lawyer, the sheriff said he didn't want Tony "to appear uncooperative." Fuck you, Alex's dad. It is your legal right to have a lawyer. That doesn't make you uncooperative. It makes you NOT AN IDIOT. Funny how the police don't say rich people are being uncooperative when they show up with a lawyer on retainer.

Oh, Zach, I want to believe that people are more than the sum of their actions, but when a person has raped more than one person, that becomes a pretty big part of who they are. And Bryce didn't even try to be a good person. To be honest, even if he'd been serving food to homeless people every day, that wouldn't make up for what he did, but he didn't even TRY to be a nice person before or after being a rapist, so what else should we be taking into account? That he could throw a football?

As for Nora's eulogy, yes, intent counts for something, so I'm glad if in your biased opinion you believe that Bryce wanted to be good, but WANTING to be good and actually BEING good are two different things. If your mother is the only woman you're capable of being respectful toward is your mother, you have a problem. Having a paint fight with your mom doesn't mean you're becoming a good person.

I have a hard time believing that the police went through a year of the Walkers' security footage. They went THAT far back?

Poor Tony. He has so much responsibility for a kid his age (and not just now that his parents have been deported).

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Woo, good for Clay's mom swooping in and getting Clay and Justin the hell out of being interrogated.

I love when the show takes a moment to let us watch a normal conversation that isn't about the season's mystery, like when Zach and Ani were talking about the chores their moms made them do. It's a good reminder that these are high school kids.

I found it hilarious that episode after episode, Clay has shown up unannounced at various people's houses to give the same speech: "Whatever you did aka killing Bryce, it's okay and we will do whatever it takes to keep you out of jail." But when his parents say they're going to hire a lawyer due to Clay being interrogated by the police twice in one week and when Tony offers to give him an alibi for homecoming, Clay freaks out. That shoe's not so comfortable when it's on your own foot, is it, Clay?

Ugh, Alex's conversation with Jessica was terrible. So it's terrible if she lies to give Justin an alibi (even though it's more likely that she really was with Justin that night and Alex doesn't want to believe it), but it was okay when everyone on the tapes was lying to the police to protect their secrets from getting out? And let's be honest, this is about Alex being jealous of Justin.

Ani's constant interrogations really amped up in this episode. I stil don't understand why any of them not only put up with it but answer her questions. When Justin finally told her to fuck off, I wanted to high five him.

So I guess my takeaway from this episode is supposed to be that Ani is the biggest liar of everyone on this show?

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The more episodes I watch, the more I’m annoyed by the inclusion of Ani. I can buy that she would be friends with all of them quickly, because I remember being a teenager and in high school, sometimes new friends immediately become your friends that are around all the time. 

What I don’t think would happen is that they would immediately include her in everything that’s been happening, to the point where they would trust her. Tell her bits and pieces? Maybe. Actually trust her? Nah. 

And really, if they wanted someone other than Hannah’s VO to drive the narration, why wouldn’t you make it Sheri? Or Courtney, Jessica?  Someone who has actually been involved with everything? Sheri is just the most apparent because she’s disappeared. Marcus I can at least buy that he graduated, but that wasn’t the case with Sheri and all of a sudden she’s just...gone. 

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I'm really confused on if they were trying to show that Bryce was trying to change, or if he was playing everyone the whole time like the sociopath he is, knowing what people want him to do.  I think that's more than likely it.  He was a pariah at his new school and wanted out, so he had to be a good boy to his Mom to get back to Liberty.

While I binged watched this I spent the majority of the time scratching my head as to why Ani was even there.  We are supposed to believe these kids are smart enough to set up a dead kid for murder, but stupid enough to tell a new person all their deepest, darkest secrets.  I guess being Clay's latest crush is enough to get you into their bullshit?

Speaking of Clay, I had to LOL at how offended he got when people thought he might actually have killed Bryce when he had been accusing every single one of them of it the whole time.

The only part of this story that redeemed this season was Tyler's arc.  I think it was done really well and stories like that need to be told also.  The actor knocked it out of the park.

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I think the season is worthwhile for the Tyler storyline by itself. The actor was so good. There is a scene that made me chuckle and then broke my heart. 

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On episode 3 and I am not at all into the character of Ani or her being the narrator, I just do not care. Why introduce a new character at this point, there are things that I want to know the outcome of that involve the characters that were already on the show not new ones. I don't care about Chloe either. 

Hard eyeroll on how they managed to make Zach be involved with all the girls on the show. He was somehow sleeping with (holy crap I forgot her name....guess that tells me something about how invested I was in her character... the one who killed herself). But he's been in love with Chloe this whole time. 

No sympathy for Bryce at all, no matter how many times they show him crying about how terrible his life is now. I think that is what makes me not like Ani, for someone who is supposed to be so smart shes very easily being fooled into thinking Bryce is some sort of victim. And yes add me to those that think its ridiculous that she just shows up at school and is questioning everyone about their life choices. If that was me I'd be all "slow your roll new girl, you just freaking got here!"

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3.8

Tony's growing pornstache has been driving me crazy. Hey, show - he already looks older than the other kids so let's not emphasize that with a full on Tom Selleck mustache.

Clay's indignation at Ani not knowing if he was capable of killing Bryce compounded with how offended he was that his mom hired a lawyer and wanted him to see a counselor just made me laugh. He has been accusing his own friends of murdering Bryce for most of the season aka believing they were capable of killing someone but when the tables get turned on him, suddenly it's so offensive that someone could think he would hurt Bryce, the person who hurt Hannah, Jessica, and several of his other friends.

Every time Clay goes snooping, I get tense because he keeps getting caught. He does it so often than you'd think he would get better at it but no. And again with the hypocrisy - he goes snooping through multiple people's stuff/houses but when Ani shows up at his place to snoop, he's clutching his pearls.

In the Ani/Clay situation, I find it a lot worse that Ani kept her relationship with Bryce a secret from Clay than for Clay not to tell Ani all about Hannah. Hannah was long gone by the time Ani moved to town so that was in the past. But Ani's relationship with Bryce was in the present and the deliberately hid it from Clay. Even worse, when he brought it up, she decided that the right reaction was to gaslight him and tell him that he was crazy.

I find it really disturbing that the sheriff's department is questioning students, many of whom are NOT 18, without any parental notification. I'm glad Tyler at least asked if his parents should be there.

Ha, I loved the BURN that Alex got in when Mr. Porter said that Clay could have gone to an adult and Alex very pointedly said, "Hannah went to an adult."

Also hilarious - Bryce reminding Porter that he choked him and Porter replying, "I'm sorry if I made you uncomfortable."

Justin gets points for saying that Porter also went after Bryce and that maybe they should be talking about that. HA! Same goes for Jessica reminding Porter that he pressured her to testify against Bryce. I'm glad that these kids haven't forgotten Porter's negligence and horrible version of counseling when Hannah came to see him.

I am so glad that Tyler finally told someone what happened to him. He has been holding in this trauma and pain for so long and he needed to let it out. I'm also glad that Clay remembered that Tyler hasn't wanted to be touched for months and that he asked if it was okay to hug him before doing it.

I'm also glad that Clay learned his lesson after pushing Jessica to testify that assault victims shouldn't be forced to tell their stories before they're ready. Tyler clearly isn't ready to go public with his story. He could barely tell Clay even after all this time.

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1 hour ago, nomodrama said:

No sympathy for Bryce at all, no matter how many times they show him crying about how terrible his life is now. I think that is what makes me not like Ani, for someone who is supposed to be so smart shes very easily being fooled into thinking Bryce is some sort of victim. And yes add me to those that think its ridiculous that she just shows up at school and is questioning everyone about their life choices. If that was me I'd be all "slow your roll new girl, you just freaking got here!"

Just finished episode 3 and I agree about Ani. Especially since she told him that she read about him online so she already knew parts of the story. 

I also don’t get where they’re going with the sympathy for Bryce. Are we really supposed to feel sorry for him that he isn’t popular at Hillcrest because they know he’s a rapist and his mom isn’t letting him drink at home? Honestly, he should have been glad that she let him return home at all after his dad abandoned him but he’s clearly as entitled as ever. 

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I think that the point of the Bryce arc was to show that even if he was capable of good, in the end he could only ever turn around and make it about himself.

One step forward, 100 steps back, which is why he could end up doing the things that he did. 

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Ignoring posts to avoid spoilers because I can't wait to talk. I really liked the moment between Clay and Tyler where he told about his nightmares and asked him if he would've shot him. The tension just kept building and didn't fully go away when the scene ended.

Bryce Walker actor is really fantastic, because he's really making me believe that Bryce feels bad and is trying to change. He's actually got me feeling slightly bad Bryce was murdered.

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Only on episode 3 so far. But so far I Feel like I’m watching a Netflix version of Riverdale. Clay and Ani are pretty much doing the same unrealistic things,that Betty and Jughead do,Spending endless amounts of hours tracking down info,with  help from classmates from completely different social circles, trying to crack the case.... Meanwhile none of the adults have no damn idea what’s going on.  

They are really just milking the show at this point. Everyone involved is a Junior at this point, so I’m amusing they will do 1 more season,just wrap it up for Senior year.  Unless they try to go the Degrassi route and change cast every 4 years and start over lol.... 

I can’t really complain much, because I don’t really have anything else to watch right now. 

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15 hours ago, RW88 said:

For those still in the early episodes, Ani does become less annoying.

No, I felt like killing her during all the episodes. I hope the Evergreen police don't assume I'm the killer if she ends up dead at some point next season. I hope she disappears inexplicably next season, much like Sherri did for this season.

Also I laughed out loud any time they blatantly said anything about Tony being 18. Right. He's been 18 for like, a decade. LOL. 

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6 hours ago, kj4ever said:

I'm really confused on if they were trying to show that Bryce was trying to change, or if he was playing everyone the whole time like the sociopath he is, knowing what people want him to do.  I think that's more than likely it.  He was a pariah at his new school and wanted out, so he had to be a good boy to his Mom to get back to Liberty.

I don't know about that. I do actually feel like they were attempting to show that Bryce was wanting to change. The real question is more about if he's capable of change or not. I think they did a decent job at showing that Bryce was potentially manipulating people at times, but also perhaps trying to be better. Of course, it's all up to interpretation to the viewer whether or not Bryce was capable of changing, capable of being better. 

I finished binge watching all thirteen episodes and have various thoughts but will withhold them for a little while. But I do want to speak about Bryce's arc this season, leading right to his death. I think it's important to remember that Bryce still did some really awful stuff. He was a rapist, and he did rape multiple girls and never showed remorse until he got caught and started suffering consequences. So, of course the question is about if he was actually truly wanting to change or if he was doing it to achieve some sort of goal. 

I can say that I had a LOT of issues with this season. But Bryce's attempted redemption? I'm surprised to even admit that it was one of the better storylines this season. I think that Bryce had the potential to change, if he could really do some soul searching, and he would never ever be able to redeem himself fully for the shit that he did, and him becoming a better person would have taken many, many years, but I do think he was capable of change. He backslid a lot. He showed who he was at his core many, many times, but I think he was making real progress and I don't think it was faked. 

Spoilers for the last couple of episodes but:

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There was a scene at Nora Walker's yoga studio where Bryce and Nora are doing yoga and Bryce completely breaks down crying. It doesn't feel fake or an attempt to trick his mother into feeling sorry for him, because of the shock on his face that he's even crying. So I think it shows that he's capable of feeling things, but the problem is that he needed to actually learn how to access those feelings.

I mean, his family's pretty messed up to begin with, especially the male members of the family. Not that it's an excuse, but I think that's something that Bryce was simply not capable of being a decent person naturally. 

I do get that the only reason they really showed more of a softer side to Bryce is because he was murdered so he was literally a dead man walking, but I also think that the show was trying to deliver an overall message that people aren't just good or evil. There are many layers to them, but it's more about which side wins over the other. For Bryce, it seemed like his evil side would always take precedent over the good that he did seem to have in him. 

To finish off my Bryce post (and I can't believe I spent time writing it), I do want to give complete props to the actor. Justin Prentice really did a great job with Bryce all season. I can't imagine it was easy to get in the mindset of Bryce Walker for the first two seasons, so he must have been relieved to have more to play with in this season, where he didn't have to be just a Rapist Dickhead for 13 more episodes. And I completely credit the actor to my fleeting moments of sympathy toward the character, as fleeting as they were. 

I only hope that the actor can get some great roles in the future because I found Justin Prentice to be one of the strongest actors on this series in general. And the actor seems like a really nice guy.

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Who knows what Jessica and Alex did. And why was Bryce saying she set him up

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1 hour ago, Fufu said:

Who knows what Jessica and Alex did

From my understanding the whole gang we saw listening to Bryce's tape.

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3.9

It always cracks me up that guys are able to have an entire conversation using only the word "dude" with different inflections.

I had mixed feelings about Zach talking Justin into rejoining the football team. On the one hand, his heart was in the right place. He was trying to get Justin involved in a group activity that he used to love. On the other hand, it was just putting him back in the presence of assholes like Monty. But I totally loved that they were having an Olympic grape throwing competition during that entire conversation. It's little things like that which remind us that these are normal high school kids who are in a fucked up situation.

I understand Zach trying to convince Jess not to cut football funding, I was not here for his "not all men" argument or his claim that for some students, it was their only chance for a college scholarship. You're seriously telling me that their football team is going to yield multiple D1 players? As for Justin piping up and saying that football gave him a reason to get out of bed, well, that's true for a lot of music and drama students, and as Jess pointed out, the football team already has more outside funding than music and drama combined.

For the record, I don't know any high schools where the student council funds the football team. That's what the football boosters are for and at a school with rich kids like Bryce, I'm pretty sure they have enough parents donating and doing fundraisers that whatever piddling amount of money that they were getting from student council is a drop in the bucket.

I had a hard time with Alex insisting that Justin had to tell Jess that he was using again because she deserved the truth. Really? I guess she didn't deserve the truth about him doing steroids.

Another annoying thing about Ani being our narrator is that she's telling us how people like Justin felt when it seems highly unlikely that she would be privy to that information. They may have answered some of her questions, but people like Justin were not telling her about their feelings. At most, I'd guess that Clay and Jessica had shared their feelings with her, but not people like Justin and Alex, yet she was talking about their innermost workings like she'd been their therapist for years.

I totally cracked up when Justin followed up "I love you" with "I have to take a shit" because my friend and I used to joke about terrible responses to "I love you." Among the options were "Thank you" and "I have to take a shit."

The best moment of the episode was when Bryce asked "How did we get here?" and Justin said, "You raped my girlfriend." That about sums it up.

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Ha, I loved that Clay was complaining about which picture of him the newspaper chose to put in the article about him. Even better was Justin agreeing that it was not a great picture. It totally reminded me of this SNL skit where a woman goes missing and her boyfriend gives the police a really unflattering photo of her to use on the flyers and in the press. When the woman was found, she was irate that he had used such a terrible picture and she made him promise that if she ever went missing again, he would use a good picture of her. He promised and then she went missing again and he gave the police a different but equally unflattering picture of her.

Kate Walsh is really great, so I was happy to see Hannah's mom return. I remember reading an article several years ago about the parents of a child who had died just before she turned 10. They said one of the difficult things to deal with afterward was that in their mind, their child was always that almost 10 year old girl but her friends kept getting older and older as the years went by. Her friends were one of the last connections they had to her so it was really painful for them to see them grow up and do all the things that their daughter would never get to do. It's only been a little over a year since Hannah's death, but I can only imagine how wonderful but terrible it is for her to see Jessica.

Part of me can't believe that Bryce never bothered to listen to Hannah's tapes. The other part of me thinks well, OF COURSE Bryce didn't bother to listen to her tapes. I'm glad he finally got to hear Hannah describe him raping her.

NOT AT ALL surprising that Bryce's asshole dad reported Tony's family to ICE.

I'm with Clay on the extravagant promposals. Ugh. It's not that I'm anit-romance either. I just think not everything needs to be a big public spectacle.

I loved the scene between the two moms. I was surprised that Olivia was the one who reached out to Nora. It was kind of her to offer Nora so much support and understanding. That was the most unexpected pairing this season!

But I also loved that Olivia shut Bryce down when he tried to apologize. She owes him nothing. It's not her job to accept his apology, to forgive him, to ease his conscience, or to help him heal. Is it progress that Bryce finally felt compelled to admit what he'd done (after lying about it under oath) and apologize? Sure. But that doesn't mean she has to hear him out or absolve him of his (well-deserved) guilt.

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25 minutes ago, ElectricBoogaloo said:

NOT AT ALL surprising that Bryce's asshole dad reported Tony's family to ICE

Non-US watcher here, this part confused me. Why did Tony's family get deported but Tony and his sister weren't? Is it because Tony and the sister were born in the US?

1 hour ago, ElectricBoogaloo said:

It always cracks me up that guys are able to have an entire conversation using only the word "dude" with different inflections

That moment reminded me of the Dude conversation from BASEketball

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3.11

It is so sweet to see that Tyler was willing to tell the police what Monty did to him in the hopes of getting Clay out of the hot seat. That is some serious love.

Even though it was in the midst of a serious conversation, I totally cracked up when Clay told Justin that he writes fan fiction.

Bryce can suck it. What made him think that it was at all appropriate for hm to contact Jessica and ask her to meet him at night after the game? Whatever it was he had to give her didn't require an isolated location. He could have given it to her right there in the parking lot instead of saying he would give it to her later.

Justin is terrible at negotiating. Just because you want a favor doesn't mean you offer to sell drugs for them for an unlimited amount of time!

The protest at the homecoming game proved the club's point perfectly - Jessica was blatantly assaulted in front of hundreds of people and there were no repercussions at all.

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They seriously bused in the entire student body of Hillcrest to have Jessica apologize? Seriously, what kind of fucked up priorities do these schools have? When Principal Bolan told Jessica she would have to apologize publicly, I thought ha, you're going to give someone who led a protest a microphone and a public forum? Great idea!

I'm so glad that telling Jessica what happened gave Tyler the courage to stand up and announce himself as a survivor at the assembly and then to file a police report against Monty.

I know a lot of movement teachers (dance, yoga, etc) and there are certain poses/exercises that frequently make people cry, so I wasn't surprised when Bryce started crying while doing yoga.

Awww, I loved how protective Cyrus was of Tyler after the assembly. I also loved that Tyler felt confident enough to set boundaries with Charlie immediately and reject his request to talk somewhere in private. I hope this is a turning point for Tyler. Charlie heard Monty admit what he did the night of the homecoming game, but he didn't think to tell Tyler he would corroborate his story to the police until after the assembly? I guess we can chalk that up to Charlie being slow on the uptake or something. I know I'm supposed to think Charlie is being supportive but I wish he hadn't waited until now. Then again, I can't tell how much time has passed since the homecoming game. A week? A month?

I cracked up when the gym drug dealer told the sheriff that he sells cheap drugs, not the rich kid drugs they found in Clay's room. Hey, he's an honest drug dealer, damn it!

Poor Justin. As a result of his mom's extremely poor judgment in boyfriends, he has suffered a lot.

Clay, SHUT UP! Stop talking to the police before your lawyer shows up!

Ugh, Ani lying to Clay about Bryce for the millionth time was so annoying. And how would she know that Clay's anger just got hotter during the first half of the football game if she was inside the school with Jessica's club until the protest?

I love that Zach and Alex have stayed friends. They were one of the more unlikely friendships in the group so I like that they still hang out and are friends even after the group has splintered.

As soon as Zach said he was resigning as captain of the football team, I knew he was going to confess to murdering Bryce.

Part of me was laughing that everyone ended up a the police station at the same time. Clay was being interrogated in one room, Zach was confessing to murder in another room, Tyler was filing a report against Monty, and Jessica, Justin, and Charlie were in the waiting room.

Ha, so much for Bryce's redemption arc. The night he was murdered, he was still a petty vindictive asshole (and about someone who wasn't even his girlfriend anymore).

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I know I'm supposed to feel bad for Monty because his dad is an abusive asshole, but that doesn't excuse what he did to Tyler.

Ha, I was right! Bryce didn't need Jessica to meet him in private after  the game. He could have just handed her the tape in the parking lot. That would have taken less time than the back and forth conversation they had  with Bryce suggesting different locations to meet.

I suspected Alex earlier in the season but I was trying not to read too much into wht Ani was saying (like when she said, "How does a killer behave?" and they cut to Alex in the boxing ring). As soon as Alex's dad mentioned the different feet dragging. I knew he was the other person who'd been at the scene of the crime.

For all of Bryce's claims that he wanted to be a better person and he was trying to change, he got possessive, jealous, and irrational about Chloe. Even worse, he acted on that petty jealousy by giving Zach a career ending injury.

I think that Bryce (and anyone) is capable of change but that you really have to work at it and put conscious effort into it. That means not revering to dickish behavior, especially the wildly out of proportion actions we saw from Bryce.

I hated when Bryce told Ani that he needed her so that he could be a better person. First of all, you need to want to be a better person for yourself, not just someone else. But secondly, it's not her job to stick around just so you don't revert back to your bullying rapist behavior so stop guilt tripping her!

Between Winston knowing the truth and the fisherman finding the guns, we know that this isn't over. I'm really confused by Winston. He thinks Monty is a nice guy who doesn't deserve to have his good name besmirched even after Monty beat the shit out of him out of everyone at the party where they met. Winston, get some self esteem. You deserve way better than that.

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I mostly enjoyed the season, though I feel like it veered into daytime soapishness too often. Tyler’s arc was the most satisfying. I am not sure how realistic it is that a large rotation of babysitters and a school counselor could really make that much of a difference with a kid who almost committed mass murder, but who knows. Sometimes it takes just one friend to change a kid’s life. Regardless, I loved the affection the boys showed toward each other. There were a lot of expressed feelings and I love yous  between boys, and I like seeing that represented in the media. 

Bryce...ugh. The actor who played him deserves a trophy - that could not have been an easy character. I was less bothered by his “redemption” arc than I thought because I don’t think he was redeemed at all. Hours before he died he viciously broke his “brother’s” knee out of some extremely petty shit. He was literally a fucking asshole to the end. He had a moral compass - it was just off. I think he really wanted to not be a raping asshole, but I also think he knew he always would be. He’s a bad dude who did some decent things occasionally. 

And I realize that rich white kids can live a bit of a Steff from Pretty In Pink type existence, but after a while I was like, Bryce is a rapist,a bully, a drug dealer, a 1950’s-style alcoholic, he sees a hooker, has access to a whole lot of liquid cash, destroys homes with no repercussions, Dad has people deported, pays off his friend’s huge drug debts...I was seriously waiting for the illegal exotic bird scheme to be revealed. 

I adore Tony, even if he is a 30-year old high school student who never went to high school. 

Jessica and Justin are my favorites. They did a great job showing the fallout of sexual assault. They’re also both heartbreaking and funny. 

Didn’t hate Ani, but was amazed nobody just walked away when she started her questioning. And I am sorry, but her story telling to the cop - I was like, Briscoe and Logan would cut through your choose-your-ending murder mystery bullshit in and hour. If this was Law & Order we’d maybe need 3 episodes, lol.

Also, I know we were supposed to see why Monty was so horrible, but I literally felt not one ounce of sympathy for him because every time they showed him all I could think was...that’s nice. But you raped multiple kids with broomsticks. Rot in a cell for life. 

Regardless, they set up next season for sure. 

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25 minutes ago, Stiggs said:

I mostly enjoyed the season, though I feel like it veered into daytime soapishness too often. Tyler’s arc was the most satisfying. I am not sure how realistic it is that a large rotation of babysitters and a school counselor could really make that much of a difference with a kid who almost committed mass murder, but who knows. Sometimes it takes just one friend to change a kid’s life. Regardless, I loved the affection the boys showed toward each other. There were a lot of expressed feelings and I love yous  between boys, and I like seeing that represented in the media. 

Bryce...ugh. The actor who played him deserves a trophy - that could not have been an easy character. I was less bothered by his “redemption” arc than I thought because I don’t think he was redeemed at all. Hours before he died he viciously broke his “brother’s” knee out of some extremely petty shit. He was literally a fucking asshole to the end. He had a moral compass - it was just off. I think he really wanted to not be a raping asshole, but I also think he knew he always would be. He’s a bad dude who did some decent things occasionally. 

And I realize that rich white kids can live a bit of a Steff from Pretty In Pink type existence, but after a while I was like, Bryce is a rapist,a bully, a drug dealer, a 1950’s-style alcoholic, he sees a hooker, has access to a whole lot of liquid cash, destroys homes with no repercussions, Dad has people deported, pays off his friend’s huge drug debts...I was seriously waiting for the illegal exotic bird scheme to be revealed. 

I adore Tony, even if he is a 30-year old high school student who never went to high school. 

Jessica and Justin are my favorites. They did a great job showing the fallout of sexual assault. They’re also both heartbreaking and funny. 

Didn’t hate Ani, but was amazed nobody just walked away when she started her questioning. And I am sorry, but her story telling to the cop - I was like, Briscoe and Logan would cut through your choose-your-ending murder mystery bullshit in and hour. If this was Law & Order we’d maybe need 3 episodes, lol.

Also, I know we were supposed to see why Monty was so horrible, but I literally felt not one ounce of sympathy for him because every time they showed him all I could think was...that’s nice. But you raped multiple kids with broomsticks. Rot in a cell for life. 

Regardless, they set up next season for sure. 

It’s funny - I actually thought Jessica was kind of one-note this season.   I thought she was better last season. I agree about Justin, he was amazing this season. 

Honestly, Tyler was definitely the standout this season. When he told Clay about the sexual assault, I thought that was some of the best pieces of acting.  

29 minutes ago, Stiggs said:

I mostly enjoyed the season, though I feel like it veered into daytime soapishness too often. Tyler’s arc was the most satisfying. I am not sure how realistic it is that a large rotation of babysitters and a school counselor could really make that much of a difference with a kid who almost committed mass murder, but who knows. Sometimes it takes just one friend to change a kid’s life. Regardless, I loved the affection the boys showed toward each other. There were a lot of expressed feelings and I love yous  between boys, and I like seeing that represented in the media. 

Bryce...ugh. The actor who played him deserves a trophy - that could not have been an easy character. I was less bothered by his “redemption” arc than I thought because I don’t think he was redeemed at all. Hours before he died he viciously broke his “brother’s” knee out of some extremely petty shit. He was literally a fucking asshole to the end. He had a moral compass - it was just off. I think he really wanted to not be a raping asshole, but I also think he knew he always would be. He’s a bad dude who did some decent things occasionally. 

And I realize that rich white kids can live a bit of a Steff from Pretty In Pink type existence, but after a while I was like, Bryce is a rapist,a bully, a drug dealer, a 1950’s-style alcoholic, he sees a hooker, has access to a whole lot of liquid cash, destroys homes with no repercussions, Dad has people deported, pays off his friend’s huge drug debts...I was seriously waiting for the illegal exotic bird scheme to be revealed. 

I adore Tony, even if he is a 30-year old high school student who never went to high school. 

Jessica and Justin are my favorites. They did a great job showing the fallout of sexual assault. They’re also both heartbreaking and funny. 

Didn’t hate Ani, but was amazed nobody just walked away when she started her questioning. And I am sorry, but her story telling to the cop - I was like, Briscoe and Logan would cut through your choose-your-ending murder mystery bullshit in and hour. If this was Law & Order we’d maybe need 3 episodes, lol.

Also, I know we were supposed to see why Monty was so horrible, but I literally felt not one ounce of sympathy for him because every time they showed him all I could think was...that’s nice. But you raped multiple kids with broomsticks. Rot in a cell for life. 

Regardless, they set up next season for sure. 

Yeah I felt no sympathy for Monty.  Do they think I feel bad for him because he slept with Winston and then cuddled with him. 

He’s still the same person who brutally raped Tyler, was a huge jackass to everyone else and then denied the sexual assault to everybody else later.  

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1 hour ago, ElectricBoogaloo said:

3.13

I know I'm supposed to feel bad for Monty because his dad is an abusive asshole, but that doesn't excuse what he did to Tyler.

Ha, I was right! Bryce didn't need Jessica to meet him in private after  the game. He could have just handed her the tape in the parking lot. That would have taken less time than the back and forth conversation they had  with Bryce suggesting different locations to meet.

I suspected Alex earlier in the season but I was trying not to read too much into wht Ani was saying (like when she said, "How does a killer behave?" and they cut to Alex in the boxing ring). As soon as Alex's dad mentioned the different feet dragging. I knew he was the other person who'd been at the scene of the crime.

For all of Bryce's claims that he wanted to be a better person and he was trying to change, he got possessive, jealous, and irrational about Chloe. Even worse, he acted on that petty jealousy by giving Zach a career ending injury.

I think that Bryce (and anyone) is capable of change but that you really have to work at it and put conscious effort into it. That means not revering to dickish behavior, especially the wildly out of proportion actions we saw from Bryce.

I hated when Bryce told Ani that he needed her so that he could be a better person. First of all, you need to want to be a better person for yourself, not just someone else. But secondly, it's not her job to stick around just so you don't revert back to your bullying rapist behavior so stop guilt tripping her!

Between Winston knowing the truth and the fisherman finding the guns, we know that this isn't over. I'm really confused by Winston. He thinks Monty is a nice guy who doesn't deserve to have his good name besmirched even after Monty beat the shit out of him out of everyone at the party where they met. Winston, get some self esteem. You deserve way better than that.

I’m glad they found the guns. Every time they showed Tyler’s confession, I felt uncomfortable.  I like Tyler but he definitely needs to have some sort of punishment for what happened.  

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So this show is one threatening and vague text message away from being another Pretty Little Liars spin-off, isn't it?

I watched the first episode, and this season will be all flashbacks and mystery solving I guess, with this new girl being our narrator. So, does she end up having some kind of thing  with Bryce, of all people? I mean, him being a rapist isn't exactly a secret anymore, I would think that someone would give her a heads up about him. 

I do appreciate that people are already telling Clay that he was an idiot to just run up to a clearly unstable and heavily armed Tyler when he was about to probably kill tons of people, and then help him cover it up. He clearly needs serious help, and just having the gang looking out for him isn't enough. And they dont even know about the sexual assault. 

Clay and Justin are still my favorite part of the show. You know, between this ridiculously salty campus tour and him screaming at those foreign exchange students back in season one, Clay  just needs to be kept away from new students in general if the school wants to work on its PR problems!

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31 minutes ago, tennisgurl said:

So this show is one threatening and vague text message away from being another Pretty Little Liars spin-off, isn't it?

I watched the first episode, and this season will be all flashbacks and mystery solving I guess, with this new girl being our narrator. So, does she end up having some kind of thing  with Bryce, of all people? I mean, him being a rapist isn't exactly a secret anymore, I would think that someone would give her a heads up about him. 

I do appreciate that people are already telling Clay that he was an idiot to just run up to a clearly unstable and heavily armed Tyler when he was about to probably kill tons of people, and then help him cover it up. He clearly needs serious help, and just having the gang looking out for him isn't enough. And they dont even know about the sexual assault. 

Clay and Justin are still my favorite part of the show. You know, between this ridiculously salty campus tour and him screaming at those foreign exchange students back in season one, Clay  just needs to be kept away from new students in general if the school wants to work on its PR problems!

I agree regarding Tyler. I mean if it wasn’t enough they showed his message on that Zip drive at least three or four times.  It’s fairly obvious from that video how unstable he is, but obviously a little babysitting and boxing is going to be enough to cure him 🙄

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For me, the Tyler storyline shows how a little attention and courtesy can affect people BEFORE it escalates. 

Because the school shooting was averted, I can kinda fanwave it away, like Clay trying to shoot Bryce or Alex trying to shoot Monty. I am sure that there are other scenes featuring guns pointed at people. For me, these are issues around gun control. 

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Can’t remember the episode number, so I’m spoilering this. 

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That a was the angriest blowjob recipient ever  

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So is this Ani girl supposed to be our new main character or something? To take Hannah's spot as the main girl/narrator/Clay love interest? Because, while I know pretty much every character can be really unlikable, I just am not into her at all. Maybe because despite being a new character she is suddenly being shoved into every characters lives for no reason? Or because she seems to be heading into Bryce apologist territory, which...hell to the no. Or because we already have a ton of characters so we dont need a new main character at this point? I mean, if they want another main female character, where is Shari? We already know Shari, and she and Clay had kind of thing, right? I liked Shari, I miss her, especially when this new rando gets tons of screen time. The actress is fine, but...I dont really see her point.

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Ani made this season hard to sit though.  I found her playing detective to be completely absurd (I also thought the scenes of her and Clay basically interrogating everyone was absurd).  I also found it ridiculous that everyone would be sharing their particular secrets with someone they pretty much just met. 

So many things about the writing for the character annoyed me.

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Starting 3x07

I like Ani as a character, although I feel we'd be better off without narration. I don't see what she's adding as we go on. I will say I love her "there are a number of problems with Clay Jensen." It's funny cause it's true.

I really liked Tony's storyline last episode. Choosing not to translate the Spanish worked for me, despite getting like five percent of what was being said. There's a nice connection between Monte being so insistent that he didn't love Bryce (which he totally did) and between Clay and Tony being so open in saying it. Isn't Clay's mom a lawyer though? She totally could've helped Tony's family, even if it was just to help find someone to take the case pro bono. 

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