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A gang bang is NOT the same as a train.

A gang bang is rape. There is absolutely no consent implied or otherwise. A "gang" of men act in concert and rape a woman. 

A "train" implies that the woman in some way consented to having sex with a succession of men. That is why is implies the woman is of questionable moral character. However, most "trains" fall in the gray area since the woman is so inebriated on some kind of intoxicant that legal consent is not possible. Still because the woman got herself that drunk or whatever, there would still be those who pass a moral judgment on her. There are a very few instances in which women would willingly participate in a train. Years ago there was a woman who was a porn star or some other professional who did one for the Guiness Book of Records.

A threesome is always consensual and just another lifestyle choice. It can be any configuration of genders and even include more than three. Obviously it's for the sexually adventurous and as has been pointed out numerous times on this thread, Laurie attempted to shame Vicki on the ski slopes by accusing her of participating in a threesome. I have no idea what any of these people's sex lives actually are but statistically I would imagine a few of them have had a threesome as part of their sexual experimentation although probably not as a steady lifestyle choice. I would doubt Shannon or Emily ever did. Although I find VIcki repulsive and hypocritical, she is such a stupid lump of a bourgeois that I doubt she has - I am still reeling at her stupidity in equating atheism with having no moral compass - only someone with a 10 year old's level of philosophical and spiritual understanding believes that Christians have any kind of monopoly on ethical behavior. And Vicki is also the kind of person with such limited intellectual views of the world that I believe she thinks anyone but a Christian is headed for hell or at best purgatory.

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15 hours ago, AttackTurtle said:

I really disliked Simon and he was just as responsible for that naked/wasted shit as Tamara.

I thought I remembered the "naked wasted" episode correctly but I don't recall Simon being at that particular dinner/party.  Was he there cheering on Gretchen to drink more tequila shots and encouraging Ryan to take advantage of Gretchen? Can somebody refresh my memory on that?

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1 hour ago, KungFuBunny said:

Tamra is only concerned with her grip on an Orange.

Yes she is as she’s now the breadwinner for that whole bunch.  I don’t believe she bought that house. Maybe she shows the house on t.v. advertising it for Coto Real Estate, and they let her live in it for a small fee?  Just a thought.

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Look Vicki so stupid that she got it totally wrong. Again.

Kelly told her she had a “Three’s Company” not a three way!

Kelly is obsessed with “Three’s Company.” That’s why she called Shannon Mrs. Roper.

She wants to get an Apartment with Browyn and Shane who can pretend to be gay.

I bet Shane would be really good at that. 

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They’re either screeching or sobbing about something but all I can focus on is the cheap looking horrid bunches of fake hair glued or stapled to scalps. It must be so painful, no wonder they’re yelling and squealing all the time.

Do the camera guys purposely film the back of their heads...?

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17 hours ago, Shellbell59 said:

Emily...in Cali York sweatshirt...I wasn’t familiar with brand (wear vintage mostly)...and since I’m from Cali and one branch of my fam is Stafford York (as in that old singer Jo Stafford dad’s cousin)...I looked it up. Cynthia Rowley...I’m not into tags...but such cute stuff...too bad I’m not petite!..dangit!!!!

happy she’s rocking a brand geared toward “petite” women. It pissed me off when I heard about the crap she was given about her size....I may not be a fan of hers...but that chapped my ass the things ppl say....oh and the old saying? TV Puts in 10-15 pounds?

I don't think people should slam her for her weight, but Emily is not petite by any stretch of the imagination, plus she's quite tall, isn't she? Trashy Tamra is petite.

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24 minutes ago, langford peel said:

Look Vicki so stupid that she got it totally wrong. Again.

 Kelly told her she had a “Three’s Company” not a three way!

 Kelly is obsessed with “Three’s Company.” That’s why she called Shannon Mrs. Roper.

She wants to get an Apartment with Browyn and Shane who can pretend to be gay.

I bet Shane would be really good at that. 

Hilarrriouss!!

In that arrangement Kelly would be Janet, except she got implants!

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2 hours ago, amarante said:

Bravo does surveys after each season where one is asked various questions including who one sided with - do you want to see more or less or each person - which storylines were of interest - whether you would like the show more or less etc.

One of the questions is whether you love to hate the person - there are also questions regarding who people "like" - i.e. who is "real"; who you side with etc.

Although my answers seem to have no bearing on what turns up on the next season I do admit to taking pleasure in speaking my mind. 

There are some who are just beyond the pale who I just took no pleasure in watching because they were so awful. I think for me it's when they are really conning the audience and think they are getting away with that con. Vicki reached that category for me with the whole cancer scam including her attempt to use cancer to drive business to her insurance company. On the RHBH Dorit and her weasel of her husband are in that category for me because they are fronting a lifestyle when they don't have a pot to piss in. 

Tamra is a horrible person - vulgar to boot. But she is still in the category of love to hate because she is what she is and she never has presented any kind of image on screen or attempted to trick the audience into thinking that her life wasn't what it was. Not that I think she doesn't have a persona or that the show is truly "reality". But the Tamra character she plays on television is pretty much Tamra - her life is her life. I think the whole business of gasp - a $2 million dollar home is ridiculous because a $2 million dollar home in Orange County or Los Angeles is really not a big deal. "Normal" people live in a home that is $1 million dollars. Between her salary, whatever she gets as a social media influenster, side ventures in terms of paid appearances their income is more than enough to afford that home - it's not some kind of economic stretch in the way some of the housewives on various franchises live in fake homes or pretend to have lifestyles that aren't warranted by their income or assets. 

Love your post...

IMO...Yamra has also ‘conned’ herself into thinking she’s one of those few we “”love to love”...

little does she know..few love to hate her...let alone...L to L....

.her citrus is starting to smell putrid....and rapidly moving beyond “best if used by” date....

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11 hours ago, KungFuBunny said:

You sure you're not thinking of Gretchen's performance at the PussyCat Lounge in Vegas?

She was supposed perform/sing/lip sync:  "You Give Me Fever" but she claimed she couldn't sing because she was screaming at Vicki at the 70's Costume party the night before. She also couldn't dance - she blamed that on not feeling well from losing her voice

I remember that! And more awfully I think that’s the hustle Emily was going for. 

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So, it looks like Gina's storyline is going to be her cheatin' husband/divorcing him. I do empathize with people going through a divorce but this storyline is old, tired and used up.

Shannon's unexpected marital problems with cheatin' David was the ORIGINAL mother lode of divorce drama. Nobody can top it. 

So please Gina, don't use your boring divorce/cheatin' husband crap as your storyline. WE DON'T CARE. And that goes for Emily as well. 

I actually liked Vicki's deliberate mispronunciation of BraunWyn's name as "BrownWood". 

Don't scratchy the BrownWoody!

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6 minutes ago, BluBrd47 said:

I remember that! And more awfully I think that’s the hustle Emily was going for. 

If you watch Erika Jayne on RHOBH - Mikey Minden is her Artistic Director

Before that Mikey Minden was the choreographer for the Pussy Cat Dolls and was very close friends with Robyn Antin. Anyhoo around the hey day of the Pussy Cat Dolls they opened/had a show running in Vegas - I forget which Casino.

On RHOC - when Gretchen was going to perform - Mikey was the choreographer - he couldn't stand Gretchen and thought she was a lazy asshole.

PS I could have the name of the song she lip synced to wrong - it might have been Steam Heat. For some reason, I'm recalling Mikey screaming at her and telling her she has to turn, touch her thigh, butt - to synchronize with the sssssss...noise in the song.

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5 hours ago, chlban said:

I have yet to make it through an entire episode of Dallas, but I will probably give it another shot. Also can't make it through Potomoc, long ago ditched NJ and Atlanta, and will not be watching BH unless they bring in a new cast and/or Nicollete Sheridan. OC was my first and I live here, so it is tough to ditch. But this show really has slipped into the gutter.

Yes to all of this...

never could cozy up to Dallas...Atlanta and Nj held my attention for a minute each...DC made me want to 🤢....

Skipped a season of Potomac...trying it out...but 2 eps behind...so redundant...

NYC is how I originally slipped into the abyss AKA Bravo Tv...then BH...picked up on OC..But never have I seen first several seasons.

That is in part why I loathe icky calling it her show and claiming sole ownership of Howives...(as well as the reason for Bravo’s success).

Uummm....NO.... it was NYC...that drew me in....not OC...even being FROM SoCal....and went to UCI post grad...! No...Vicki go back to Illinois or wherever you’re from...

you cannot and have no right to claim any of your tired BS....

Go try to convince the audience you need your love tank filled multiple times daily...then pretend gag about something sexually monotonous/vanilla....

what a poseur! Ugh...

no “Friend Of” mine...

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26 minutes ago, KungFuBunny said:

If you watch Erika Jayne on RHOBH - Mikey Minden is her Artistic Director

Before that Mikey Minden was the choreographer for the Pussy Cat Dolls and was very close friends with Robyn Antin. Anyhoo around the hey day of the Pussy Cat Dolls they opened/had a show running in Vegas - I forget which Casino.

On RHOC - when Gretchen was going to perform - Mikey was the choreographer - he couldn't stand Gretchen and thought she was a lazy asshole.

PS I could have the name of the song she lip synced to wrong - it might have been Steam Heat. For some reason, I'm recalling Mikey screaming at her and telling her she has to turn, touch her thigh, butt - to synchronize with the sssssss...noise in the song.

I do watch BH and I cringe every time Mikey comes on screen because he is so extra. But I also thought Gretchen was a lazy asshole so I’m with him on that!! Now I gotta Google what song Gretchen lip synced to to confirm  because it was one of the top ten moments of shadenfreude for me on the franchise!! 😎

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1 hour ago, Gem 10 said:

Yes she is as she’s now the breadwinner for that whole bunch.  I don’t believe she bought that house. Maybe she shows the house on t.v. advertising it for Coto Real Estate, and they let her live in it for a small fee?  Just a thought.

Why would you think someone who is probably making in excess of $500,000 at a minimum can't afford a $2 million home. That is not a huge amount for a home in Orange County and people with ordinary well paying jobs live in homes for that amount. 

The home that Eddie bought was fairly nice and since he had owned it for awhile, I am sure he had some equity in it so their new home - at least to me - is a fairly normal home purchase for a family of their means. 

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1 hour ago, politichick said:

I don't think people should slam her for her weight, but Emily is not petite by any stretch of the imagination, plus she's quite tall, isn't she? Trashy Tamra is petite.

Well heyll’s beyll’s! Thank you for that information...I’m NOT petite....and if Emily isn’t petite and can wear that ‘for petites” sweatshirt without it looking like a dam midriff...I’m GOING TO ORDER ONE!

Thank you for this...👍👏👏👏👏

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17 minutes ago, amarante said:

The home that Eddie bought was fairly nice and since he had owned it for awhile, I am sure he had some equity in it so their new home - at least to me - is a fairly normal home purchase for a family of their means. 

According to an old article by the Real Estalker:

"In mid-2011 Mister Judge tangled with foreclosure but, we’re happy to say the mess was all worked out by June 2012 when a Notice of Rescission was filed and recorded."

Since they married in 2013, it is possible that he was in over his head and Tamra bailed him out.

https://variety.com/2013/dirt/real-estalker/real-estate-roundup-the-real-housewives-of-orange-county-1201235614

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Bunny observation

It comes up again that Shannon conceived the twins after a Def Leppard concert. The twins are 14 or 15 o so she went to a DL concert in 2004 or 2005.

I thought Def Leppard was a hair band from the early 80's. I think the men were in their 20's in their hey day. Did they get newer younger band members or did they stick with the originals.

Does this hair band have any hair left?

Note to Def Leppard - if you are follically challenged DO NOT shop where Gina goes

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3 hours ago, chenoa333 said:

I thought I remembered the "naked wasted" episode correctly but I don't recall Simon being at that particular dinner/party.  Was he there cheering on Gretchen to drink more tequila shots and encouraging Ryan to take advantage of Gretchen? Can somebody refresh my memory on that?

He was there:

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43 minutes ago, Shellbell59 said:

Well heyll’s beyll’s! Thank you for that information...I’m NOT petite....and if Emily isn’t petite and can wear that ‘for petites” sweatshirt without it looking like a dam midriff...I’m GOING TO ORDER ONE!

Thank you for this...👍👏👏👏👏

I’m not sure where the idea that the sweatshirts are petite sizing comes from but they aren’t. The CaliYork line uses regular sizing XS, S, M, L and there’s no specific notation regarding it being a petites line

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1 hour ago, chenoa333 said:

So, it looks like Gina's storyline is going to be her cheatin' husband/divorcing him. I do empathize with people going through a divorce but this storyline is old, tired and used up.

Shannon's unexpected marital problems with cheatin' David was the ORIGINAL mother lode of divorce drama. Nobody can top it. 

So please Gina, don't use your boring divorce/cheatin' husband crap as your storyline. WE DON'T CARE. And that goes for Emily as well. 

Also, while Shannon's marriage was rocky when she first came on, they at least appeared together. We watched her over several seasons - related to her, empathized with her, liked her, whatever. (SOME of us.) We saw her trying to work through things with David. 

Gina came on the show and her husband was already out the door. We've literally never seen him, and she wasn't on long enough, nor did she behave nice enough, for many of us to really CARE. 

That's the difference, for me. 

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18 hours ago, ErikaOnline said:

Awww Tamra has been through a lot. She’s had a rough life,kind of rags to riches story. I respect her honesty and she’s just trying to get by the only way I think she knows,which is being street smart and playing this “reality show game” to make money. I’ve always liked Ryan. He didn’t have his dad in his life and I think that made him bitter and resentful.

Tamra is grateful for the RHOC job. She knows what she has to do to keep it. Tamra needs go just far enough or she will go the Phaedra Parks route. Phaedra did what production wanted her to do and then got fired. The coke comment about Kelly puts Vicki in Phaedra territory. Even if true, it crosses the line. 

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On 8/20/2019 at 10:56 PM, DivaLasVegas82 said:

This episode made me like Gina more. And now I understand why Matt didn't want to appear on the show. He was already checked out of the marriage.

I question if Shane is having an affair or he just doesn't want to be married to Emily anymore because he seems to be keeping his distance from her. I don't believe he is spending ALL of his time studying for the bar. And why does he need to do it away from home? There's definitely trouble in paradise in Emily and Shane's marriage, and I wouldn't be surprised if they were the next couple to split up on this show.

I love Braunwyn. She's somebody I would like to be friends with. She has a great energy (like Tamra said) and seems very down to earth.

Now Vicki is going to put another rumor about Kelly getting a train run on her? She just doesn't know when to quit.

I agree. Their marriage has never looked healthy to me, at least not based on what has been shown. Emily also seems sad to me, and she has gained weight since last season. I can really see it in her face.

Gina has too. I hardly recognize her in her THs, and usually they look better in the THs because they have professional lighting, hair and make-up. But I think Gina looks awful. What on earth made her decide to go platinum blonde? 

I’m not sure what to think about Kelly. I hope the rumors aren’t true. I feel sorry for her daughter. 

I could’ve done without Tamra’s anal content. She is so crass. 

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54 minutes ago, Snarky McSnarky said:

According to an old article by the Real Estalker:

"In mid-2011 Mister Judge tangled with foreclosure but, we’re happy to say the mess was all worked out by June 2012 when a Notice of Rescission was filed and recorded."

Since they married in 2013, it is possible that he was in over his head and Tamra bailed him out.

https://variety.com/2013/dirt/real-estalker/real-estate-roundup-the-real-housewives-of-orange-county-1201235614

At this point they have been making a good amount of money and real estate prices have appreciated so the old home would have been worth a fair amount. 

I don’t have intimate knowledge of their income or assets. My point is that I don’t think it a financial stretch for someone with Tamra’s income to move into a $2 million dollar home especially after selling the old one. Most people at their income level could afford a home at that price point. They didn’t move into the level of home Heather lives in or Shannon moved out of. 

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49 minutes ago, Snarky McSnarky said:

He was there:

Yes he was hosting the party along with Tamra. He had a job with a tequila company at he time. He stood at the head of the table demanding that everyone listen to him explain how wonderful the tequila was. At least I think I am remembering correctly. Aired in January 2009.

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I know nothing about extensions so please enlighten me. 

Wjy do women with extensions constantly pat and stroke their hair. Is it a nervous habit or so is something that itches or necessary to keep the extensions in place. 

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36 minutes ago, Showthyme said:

Tamra is grateful for the RHOC job. She knows what she has to do to keep it. Tamra needs go just far enough or she will go the Phaedra Parks route. Phaedra did what production wanted her to do and then got fired. The coke comment about Kelly puts Vicki in Phaedra territory. Even if true, it crosses the line. 

I think Phaedra’s claim that Kandi tried to drug and rape a woman is way more over the line than any of the stupid rumors being spread by any of the OC women. Insinuating that someone has loose morals is mean spirited but not the same as accusing someone of heinous criminal activity.

I think the producers do want the ladies to stir the shit but I only up to a point and Phaedra passed that point. And then there are the very real logistics of the women not wanting to work with another cast member.

For whatever reason, Porsha wasn’t as tainted with the rape accusation as Phaedra. And probably more valuable as a cast member than Phaedra. 

Which brings it back to VIcki in terms of value to the cast. From what I’ve read, the producers are trying to attract a younger viewer and Vicki is one of the older members. She also really doesn’t have much of a story line as I don’t think any viewer is emotionally vested enough in her relationship with Steve to care. 

Shannon has a great come back story. Tamra is much smarter about not going over the line while at the same time being able to bring and instigate the drama. So far, this franchise has escaped the tedious idiocy of a whole season devoted to whether a dog was returned to a shelter or not. 

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2 hours ago, Snarky McSnarky said:

According to an old article by the Real Estalker:

"In mid-2011 Mister Judge tangled with foreclosure but, we’re happy to say the mess was all worked out by June 2012 when a Notice of Rescission was filed and recorded."

Since they married in 2013, it is possible that he was in over his head and Tamra bailed him out.

https://variety.com/2013/dirt/real-estalker/real-estate-roundup-the-real-housewives-of-orange-county-1201235614

I know so many people that actually lost their homes during the recession. Hardworking people that had owned their home for years. Some overmortgaged them, others simply had no job at all, or went from 6 figures to working at Home Depot. I was lucky to have had savings, or I would not have been able to make my payments after my employer shut down and I ended up taking a job that paid 1/2 of my previous salary, but offered benefits, pre ACA, I was paying $700 a month for personal insurance. Not sure if Tamara bailed him out, or he just worked out a loan modification on his house. That was the other big option at that time. The banks didn't want the houses back, they were overloaded with them. 

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5 hours ago, amarante said:

Tamra is a horrible person - vulgar to boot. But she is still in the category of love to hate because she is what she is and she never has presented any kind of image on screen or attempted to trick the audience into thinking that her life wasn't what it was. Not that I think she doesn't have a persona or that the show is truly "reality". But the Tamra character she plays on television is pretty much Tamra - her life is her life. I think the whole business of gasp - a $2 million dollar home is ridiculous because a $2 million dollar home in Orange County or Los Angeles is really not a big deal. "Normal" people live in a home that is $1 million dollars. Between her salary, whatever she gets as a social media influenster, side ventures in terms of paid appearances their income is more than enough to afford that home - it's not some kind of economic stretch in the way some of the housewives on various franchises live in fake homes or pretend to have lifestyles that aren't warranted by their income or assets. 

This is kind of where I am with Tamra.  I totally get what people are saying when they say that she is horrible, I absolutely see it.  At the same time, though, I . . . don't really hate her.  I don't like everything she does and I can't say I'd want to be her friend, but Tamra is pretty consistent.  You know how she's going to act, you know what you will get.  I'd probably enjoy her if she was in my larger circle, but wouldn't want her as a super close friend.  I like that she's just who she is, if she's wearing cheaper shoes, she's like, hey, these are shoes you can get at TJMaxx.  Then she might say well, these earrings are from Chanel.  She's good with all of it.  

5 hours ago, chenoa333 said:

I thought I remembered the "naked wasted" episode correctly but I don't recall Simon being at that particular dinner/party.  Was he there cheering on Gretchen to drink more tequila shots and encouraging Ryan to take advantage of Gretchen? Can somebody refresh my memory on that?

When Tamra and Simon started on the show, he was working for a major dealership in the area.  After the first season she was on, they weren't amused and they let him go.  He then decided to go into a tequila business, and the naked wasted dinner was supposed to be a tasting meal to either try some product that they were considering for the line or to launch and introduce the line, I forget which.  Either way, the fact that it was for Simon's new business got lost in the naked wasted shuffle and I'm pretty sure he works for that dealership now.

2 hours ago, Snarky McSnarky said:

According to an old article by the Real Estalker:

"In mid-2011 Mister Judge tangled with foreclosure but, we’re happy to say the mess was all worked out by June 2012 when a Notice of Rescission was filed and recorded."

Since they married in 2013, it is possible that he was in over his head and Tamra bailed him out.

https://variety.com/2013/dirt/real-estalker/real-estate-roundup-the-real-housewives-of-orange-county-1201235614

I think that's a period when a lot of people were having issues with their mortgages, wasn't it? I have no idea what the actual story is, but I would venture to guess that it is entirely possible that Eddie ended up being one of the people that did the HARP (is that the name of it?) thing with his mortgage and got back on track.  I know that the whole financial collapse did a number on the real estate industry and people ended up severely underwater, especially if they had done piggyback loans or had an ARM.  So I could see if that was the case for Eddie.  

2 hours ago, KungFuBunny said:

Bunny observation

It comes up again that Shannon conceived the twins after a Def Leppard concert. The twins are 14 or 15 o so she went to a DL concert in 2004 or 2005.

I thought Def Leppard was a hair band from the early 80's. I think the men were in their 20's in their hey day. Did they get newer younger band members or did they stick with the originals.

Does this hair band have any hair left?

Note to Def Leppard - if you are follically challenged DO NOT shop where Gina goes

I don't know why Shannon keeps telling everyone that her twins were conceived after a Def Leppard concert.  I'd be less than thrilled with her doing that if I were one of her kids, although I imagine it's one of the smaller gripes they have with her, given the way she played out the cheating/divorce thing.  

They are a band from the 80s, but they are still touring.  Look at Bret Michaels, there's a market for them.   

41 minutes ago, amarante said:

For whatever reason, Porsha wasn’t as tainted with the rape accusation as Phaedra. And probably more valuable as a cast member than Phaedra. 

Porsha was less tainted by it because she was told the information from Phaedra.  She was acting on something she believed to be true (now, she should have tried to verify it or talked to Kandi about it or something, rather than just assuming Phaedra was right), but, she didn't just randomly make the shit up.  Phaedra KNEW it wasn't true, she just made the shit up to start some shit.  That's the reason she was the one who went down for it, she flat out lied to Porsha, and then left Porsha hanging out in the breeze when the time came to back her up when Porsha was confronted about the situation.  

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3 hours ago, KungFuBunny said:

Bunny observation

It comes up again that Shannon conceived the twins after a Def Leppard concert. The twins are 14 or 15 o so she went to a DL concert in 2004 or 2005.

I thought Def Leppard was a hair band from the early 80's. I think the men were in their 20's in their hey day. Did they get newer younger band members or did they stick with the originals.

Does this hair band have any hair left?

Note to Def Leppard - if you are follically challenged DO NOT shop where Gina goes

Hilarious post...

have to say Def L STILL tours...A LOT...(Not a huge fan...but I’m a childhood friend of Jeff Keith (lead singer for Tesla) and brother Brian...

truthfully...🥴🤷‍♀️ I don’t know definite words to either band’s songs...

Tesla and DL Tour together regularly...along with Styx...on occasion 

im more 70’s...Lynard...Boston....Foreigner...etc...but I will accompany Jeff’s mom to gigs locally (CA) if she wants to go.

in fact DL pour sugar lyrics escaped me like Enya’s “Save the Whales”( “Sail Away”) did...

I would belt...MY VIRGIN OF POUR SUM SUGAR ON MAYYY!!! 😆

🎼 Take your body… Shake it up! Break your something anytime! sugar these beets..AWESOME...Russ and Judy in Bombay.

pour some sugar on me..

You got the pictures I’ve got the beef… So on and so on… 🎼

I know really bad...but I was probably driving a Pinto...a brown one 🥴

😞😳

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3 hours ago, Snarky McSnarky said:

According to an old article by the Real Estalker:

"In mid-2011 Mister Judge tangled with foreclosure but, we’re happy to say the mess was all worked out by June 2012 when a Notice of Rescission was filed and recorded."

Since they married in 2013, it is possible that he was in over his head and Tamra bailed him out.

https://variety.com/2013/dirt/real-estalker/real-estate-roundup-the-real-housewives-of-orange-county-1201235614

You have to also remember when Tamra and Simon divorced their house was sold in a short sale. So no money there.

$500K annually is gross not net. I don't for one minute believe they "own" or "bought" that house in Coto. Even if they put 1M down, their mortgage would still be at least 10K monthly. I think the majority of Tamra's salary goes to paying the monthly rent at Cut Fitness - this is their true residence. They sneak in late at night and pull futon mattresses across the treadmills to sleep.

One of the biggest clues in that staged house is the sudden appearance of a PIANO. No one in that house plays the piano. Now had it been a Banjo with a couple of jugs of Moonshine on the porch and some look a like Deliverance relatives lounging around, then yeah maybe

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On 8/21/2019 at 5:16 AM, For Cereals said:

I don’t mind Bronwyn telling Vicki she’s not feeling her, but I don’t get the marketing scheme with her daughter and husband.  That was just weird.  What is she selling?  Dancewear?  Dance lifestyle?  I don’t get it.  Wasn’t it that same lifestyle that exasperated her OCD?  So the pressure to make her business successful isn’t going to cause additional stress?

Dancewear:

https://www.darkrabbitdancewear.com/about-dr

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2 hours ago, DeeplyShallow said:

I’m not sure where the idea that the sweatshirts are petite sizing comes from but they aren’t. The CaliYork line uses regular sizing XS, S, M, L and there’s no specific notation regarding it being a petites line

When I initially looked up brand ( because I’m not familiar and generally wear vintage and vintage only..no tags) The article said Cynthia Rowley? Is that right? I’m not sure now… And it said it was geared towards petite women… That’s all there was to it

However I’m always down for a nice large sweatshirt for the cold mornings and evenings here 👍😉

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2 hours ago, ghoulina said:

Also, while Shannon's marriage was rocky when she first came on, they at least appeared together. We watched her over several seasons - related to her, empathized with her, liked her, whatever. (SOME of us.) We saw her trying to work through things with David. 

Gina came on the show and her husband was already out the door. We've literally never seen him, and she wasn't on long enough, nor did she behave nice enough, for many of us to really CARE. 

That's the difference, for me. 

The draw for my for the Gina storyline is sheer schadenfreude. I will not duplicate the posts in which it was clear last season that the idea of a family living in Orange County for no reason while the husband had a job and apartment in Los Angeles made no sense. 

The only reason people would have that kind of split living situation is if the family had school age children who were settled and it was temporary while the kids finished the school year. But Gina had absolutely no reason to continue to live in Orange County except that she didn't want to rock the bock and Matt wanted to be able to live free in Los Angeles.

I was with the other women completely in the skepticism because parents of young children do not decide to separate or divorce if they are on good terms and having good sex with no discernible reason to not be married. Not that I think that you are a complete martyr to your children in a horrendous relationship but if there is nothing wrong with the marriage, then you do try to stay together so the kids have an intact family. Not that Shannon is a role model god knows but much more realistic that the spouse is miserable but puts up with it for as long as possible until there is some kind of reason it is no longer possible to hide one's head in the sand.

So yeah no surprise and it will be fascinating to watch the future demise of the Gina facade crumble. As others have posted, that Housewives check is the only income for the family now as I would imagine Matt is toxic in terms of a job at the executive level he had. I believe he was with PIMCO.

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16 minutes ago, Shellbell59 said:

Hilarious post...

have to say Def L STILL tours...A LOT...(Not a huge fan...but I’m a childhood friend of Jeff Keith (lead singer for Tesla) and brother Brian...

truthfully...🥴🤷‍♀️ I don’t know definite words to either band’s songs...

Tesla and DL Tour together regularly...along with Styx...on occasion 

im more 70’s...Lynard...Boston....Foreigner...etc...but I will accompany Jeff’s mom to gigs locally (CA) if she wants to go.

in fact DL pour sugar lyrics escaped me like Enya’s “Save the Whales”( “Sail Away”) did...

I would belt...MY VIRGIN OF POUR SUM SUGAR ON MAYYY!!! 😆

🎼 Take your body… Shake it up! Break your something anytime! sugar these beets..AWESOME...Russ and Judy in Bombay.

pour some sugar on me..

You got the pictures I’ve got the beef… So on and so on… 🎼

I know really bad...but I was probably driving a Pinto...a brown one 🥴

😞😳

I'm trying to picture a 14 years younger version of David and Shannon.

With Shannon saying David, David, David, Pour Some Sugar on May!

The thought of that is giving me the giggles

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6 minutes ago, KungFuBunny said:

I'm trying to picture a 14 years younger version of David and Shannon.

With Shannon saying David, David, David, Pour Some Sugar on May!

The thought of that is giving me the giggles

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Hah..!!!! Good... there ya go! She’s got the pictures..and he had the (shredded) beef!!!! Eeewww!!!😖

sorry..so sorry..deeeescustiiiingggg! Blech 🥵

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Maybe producers should rent a mud ring and let these women roll around in their birthday suits (what’s left of them) for the rest of the season. Ha!

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5 hours ago, chenoa333 said:

So, it looks like Gina's storyline is going to be her cheatin' husband/divorcing him. I do empathize with people going through a divorce but this storyline is old, tired and used up.

Shannon's unexpected marital problems with cheatin' David was the ORIGINAL mother lode of divorce drama. Nobody can top it. 

So please Gina, don't use your boring divorce/cheatin' husband crap as your storyline. WE DON'T CARE. And that goes for Emily as well. 

I actually liked Vicki's deliberate mispronunciation of BraunWyn's name as "BrownWood". 

Don't scratchy the BrownWoody!

These names crack me up.  One poster called her “Brown Stone”.  Hilarious I thought as N.Y, City has hundreds of Brownstones.  I will now call her that if the poster doesn’t mind.

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1 hour ago, smores said:

I don't know why Shannon keeps telling everyone that her twins were conceived after a Def Leppard concert.  I'd be less than thrilled with her doing that if I were one of her kids, although I imagine it's one of the smaller gripes they have with her, given the way she played out the cheating/divorce thing.  

Right.  What is the implication of conception being after a concert?

1. Shannon is drunk and lets David go in rawdog....

or 2.  David is drunk and willing to have their monthly sex, forgets protection

or (unlikely, but maybe in her mind)
3. David and she are truly in love and they let fate take them to wherever it leads?

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Omg...it just Donged 🤦‍♀️on me...after reminiscing about eventually finding out how I slayed Def Leppard lyrics...

.the guitarist from DL?...I think it’s lead guitar!!! Can’t remember his name...he’s REALLY buff and never wears a shirt on stage....Totally forgot he lives in OC with lovely wife Helen!

me can’t help but wonder if Shannon hasn’t tried to approach!!!😆

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9 hours ago, melkel14 said:

If you watch the reunion from last season, after the coke allegation exploded and they were getting ready to go on a break, Tamra asks Vicki why she would say that and Vicki replies that she and Shannon were told about the coke and the train.  This isn't something new and all three have known about it since before the last reunion. 

Interesting.  I don't watch reunions as a rule, simply because they're usually shriekfests.  I did watch NYC this time, though, and it seemed pretty civil.  Never have watched an OC one, though.  Icks and Tamra just annoy me no end.  So I might need a little clarification here.  Did they mention the coke and train in FRONT of Kelly, or was that done sotto voce out of earshot and only the "coke" rumor was broadcast?

Is anyone other than me thinking that MICHAEL is feeding this bullshit to Vicki, knowing that pig can't keep her mouth shut and will get it out on television, thereby allowing a smear of his ex-wife that keeps his hands clean in the bargain.  

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29 minutes ago, MajorNelson said:

Right.  What is the implication of conception being after a concert?

1. Shannon is drunk and lets David go in rawdog....

or 2.  David is drunk and willing to have their monthly sex, forgets protection

or (unlikely, but maybe in her mind)
3. David and she are truly in love and they let fate take them to wherever it leads?

Actually....giggling here...I thought she has said DURING a Def Leppard Show 🤭🤭🤭

ill have to go back....lmao....as she’s mentioned more than a few times over her tenure...,,

bwahaha 😆

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2 hours ago, KungFuBunny said:

You have to also remember when Tamra and Simon divorced their house was sold in a short sale. So no money there.

$500K annually is gross not net. I don't for one minute believe they "own" or "bought" that house in Coto. Even if they put 1M down, their mortgage would still be at least 10K monthly. I think the majority of Tamra's salary goes to paying the monthly rent at Cut Fitness - this is their true residence. They sneak in late at night and pull futon mattresses across the treadmills to sleep.

One of the biggest clues in that staged house is the sudden appearance of a PIANO. No one in that house plays the piano. Now had it been a Banjo with a couple of jugs of Moonshine on the porch and some look a like Deliverance relatives lounging around, then yeah maybe

Simon had lost his job and the short sale occurred in the midst of the real estate melt down. I think the finances of both Tamra and Simon have fully recovered from his job loss and the impact of the recession. 

Purportedly Tamra made $600,000 for the last season and she has additional income from all her promotional activities. I would suspect that Cut is at least self supporting as there is no particular reason for them to run it as a vanity project and there wouldn't be huge ongoing costs.

I don't understand why people think it is outside Tamra's purchasing power to support the house. She doesn't seem to have extraordinary expenses at this point - to a great extent a lot of her lifestyle is subsidized in terms of entertainment and travel expenses because all of her stuff is comped. When she posts on her social media accounts it is a quid pro quo for being comped or if she is shown eating or using a product, she is paid a fee. That's why having as many followers as possible is so desirable - because you are paid a lot of money to promote stuff based on your followers.

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5 hours ago, amarante said:

Why would you think someone who is probably making in excess of $500,000 at a minimum can't afford a $2 million home. That is not a huge amount for a home in Orange County

I agree. I didn't know you could by a house in Coto de Caza for only 2 million. 

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7 hours ago, Mr. Minor said:

Is Cut Fitness still in business?

Yes they are. Website shows a staff of 9 people including Eddie. No mention of Fugly Mugly Ryan!

And their weekday hours are:

5 am til noon & 4 pm til 7:45 pm

Friday: 5 a.m. til noon

Saturday:  8 a.m. til 11 a.m.

Closed Sunday

Looks like business is booming!😁

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The purchase price for Tamra's Cota house was actually $1.78 and they sold Eddie's house for $1.75. It's not a significant price increase for someone with her probable income. 

I had never heard of Cota prior to Real Housewives and I don't think it's one of the really desirable locations in Orange County. The coastal communities are far more desirable and expensive in terms of what your real estate dollar will buy. 

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I am a self-admitted cynic, so whenever I hear that someone over 40 conceived twins, I do not believe that it happened spontaneously at a Def Leppard concert...unless Def Leppard is the name of their fertility clinic.

I can't believe no one mentioned this yet--the hostess who seated the women at that Tortilla restaurant referred to them as "you guyzez" twice.  Two times.  At first I thought it was Gina, because you know, that's how people tawk on Long GuyLand.  At least she can apply for a job there when she inevitably gets cut from this show.

I wasn't a fan of the public kissing, but it goes way back.  Does anyone remember the long, slow kiss Vicki and Tamra shared on a balcony when they were drunk as soon as Tamra joined the show?  She and Vicki barely knew each other, just the way Tamra barely knows Braunwynn now.  Maybe it's her way of saying "hi," and you only know you've really gotten into her heart upon being offered anal?

Y'all...I didn't know what a train was, I was wrong!  My entire life, I thought it was...um a specific type of threesome, where is woman is giving oral sex to a man who is standing while she is having sexual intercourse with another man from behind at the same time.  I thought it was named train, because it kind of resembled a steam train if you use your imagination 

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(Yeah, I'm totally wrong.  On more than one level)

 I'm from the restaurant industry, which has a seedy underbelly to say the least, and from time to time I'd hear about someone running a train on someone and I didn't think it was such a big deal.  A lot of times it was probably in exchange for drugs, but I never heard of something that wasn't consensual.  It was always kind of agreed-upon exchange from the little I understood (and clearly I didn't understand very much).

 I think the poster (sorry, can't go back and name you, but holla!) who said that these women value themselves based on their sexuality and would do something like this just so they can whisper about it to other women so they can be seen as young and adventurous is 100% on target.  

My position based only on my intuition is sort of like Goldie Locks and The Three Bears (no pun intended)--I think do believe there is more than gossip and innuendo, but I don't believe Kelly was in one room where men were lined up in another room to fuck her.  I think it's somewhere in between--that Kelly had a graphic sexual experience.  She probably had group sex with just men.  And it doesn't faze me if she did, just like it doesn't faze me if she did some lines back in the day.  I couldn't care less if it happened, but I don't believe that she didn't do anything, and if I get a sense that someone is lying, that's when I start to care.  That sounds just about right.  I mean, correct.  I'll see myself out now...

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