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S11.E19: Reunion Part 2

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4 hours ago, film noire said:

Sorry for you loss, ChewyCandy.

Thank you 🙂 

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6 hours ago, chewycandy said:

I don’t understand. Dale, Tinsley, and Dabney are all very close, so was Bambi not “family” to Dabney too? 

Our 13 year old family cat was put down in March. He lived with my mom, I live in the same town, and my sister lives out of state. When he became very sick she flew down for two days so we could all three be there for him on his last day. After it happened a co-worker commented about my sister flying in “wow, she must have been really close to him too.” Well, yeah...no matter where we have all lived for thirteen years, he was our baby boy, period. 

But, we are all extremely sensitive people 🙂 And that’s why I think the others are so cruel for deriding the freezing thing. Bambi was special to their whole family; Dale took care of Bambi when Tinsley couldn’t. How they chose to say goodbye to their baby was their business.  

I wasn't saying that Bambi wasn't family to Dabney as well.  What I was saying is that, for me, I don't know anyone who has ever had an adult sibling come in from out of state to say goodbye to a pet, so I could see how it would strike Bethenny as strange.  It isn't uncommon when it's a family pet that the kids (now adults), grew up with and they say goodbye before it is put down.  As I mentioned, my family got a cat when I was a teenager, I was somewhere in my late 20s or early 30s when my parents had to put it down.  But it does seem a bit strange to me (in that this is the first time I've ever heard of anyone doing it), for someone to get a pet in their 30s and then for their adult sibling to travel to say goodbye after it's death.  

I'm not making fun of Tinsley and everyone should do what helps them to feel the best they can in a difficult situation like this.  I think some of us are just saying, oh, interesting, I didn't realize that some people did that.  

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On 7/21/2019 at 3:24 AM, film noire said:

Luann's describing an alcoholic pattern  (one drink is too many, and a thousand are never enough)

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On 7/21/2019 at 3:44 AM, ShawnaLanne said:

Talking about alcohol as being an allergy is something we do in AA. We also don't (or try not to - I'm pretty good about it in RL, but I've armchair diagnosed Lu, ) diagnose anyone else as an alcoholic. It's something that we each come to, or not. If we don't admit we have a problem, then AA won't work. 

I was not surprised to hear Lu backpedaling on being an alcoholic, she doesn't want to quit drinking. 

Seriously - Lu's AA talk is so annoying.  I just passed the 40 year mark, so I remember when the courts started sending people to the program.  And I've seen enough people benefit from being "court ordered" that I don't care how anyone ends up around the tables, as long as it helps them.

But...the only requirement for membership is a desire to stop drinking, and I've seen zero real desire on Lu's part.  Desire to get out of a jam?  Yup. Desire to get public pats on the back? Definitely.  But acting as a de-facto AA spokeswoman, when it seems clear that she's never really stopped, is not ok.

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11 hours ago, LibertarianSlut said:

I think it's obvious she looks completely different, but it's not obvious what she's done.  None of us are her personal plastic surgeons, so everything is a guess, but I strongly believe she had invasive surgery to remove the giant lumps on her jaws, some type of eyelid/ eye area lift (they used to call her Droopy Dog), and there's a strong possibility that she had her nose contoured with a chisel, as Izzy Azalea would say.  She's admitted to having a breast lift.  She's admitted to having breast implants after lying about it for years.  Considering her body is so tight, and she's about 25 lbs less than she used to be when she was making soft porn movies, I wouldn't rule out liposuction.

I also *think* she is Botoxed to within an inch of her life.  It is especially apparent around her eyebrows and the upper lip (the same mistake Nicole Kidman made), which is what makes her look like a snarling dog. She also has tons of filler, which accounts for the line from her nose to the apple of her cheek being so full in the picture.  There was likely some cosmetic dentistry, which can completely change the way a person's face appears.  It is very scary though.  Her wrinkles have no place to go, because everything is tight as a drum, so they alllll congregate around her mouth.  There are no wrinkles around her eyes or on her forehead.  To paraphrase Michael Bluth from Arrested Development, "no 48 year old woman does look like that."

She thinks she looks good, but I see this:

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Is that really preferable to this? Lol

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There have also probably been skin treatments.  I could go on, but I have to go watch Real Housewives of Beverly Hills.  There are pictures all over the Internet of "before" and "after" her jaw reduction, whether it was surgical or not, and it's completely different within the span of like 60 days.

Oh yeah, she's had work done.  She looks much, much better in my view though.

I would also go with lip fillers. I also think cheek implants. From her first TV reality show appearance...the Apprentice!

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On 7/21/2019 at 7:24 PM, link417 said:

I didn’t quote all the posts that compared Bethenny’s loss to Tinsley’s,  but it was a bit weird to me, too. The freezing was something strange I had never heard of before,  but what really got me was calling 911. Do people seriously do that, or just clueless fucking Tinsley? 

https://people.com/celebrity/911-operators-tell-all-29-of-the-dumbest-calls-theyve-ever-received/

They probably deployed because it's Palm Beach and Tinsley was so hysterical on the phone that they were afraid she might have a medical crisis.

Tinsley likely got her hotel suite comped. We saw the name of the hotel for Tinsley's first two seasons.

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1 hour ago, HunterHunted said:

https://people.com/celebrity/911-operators-tell-all-29-of-the-dumbest-calls-theyve-ever-received/

They probably deployed because it's Palm Beach and Tinsley was so hysterical on the phone that they were afraid she might have a medical crisis.

Tinsley likely got her hotel suite comped. We saw the name of the hotel for Tinsley's first two seasons.

My incredulity wasn’t at the fact that they dispatched someone for the call, but the fact that she called for her dead/dying dog in the first place. I’d like to think I would give someone else the benefit of the doubt re: dialing 911 out of panic, but with other behavior I’ve seen from Tinsley, I’m inclined to believe she’s quite dumb.

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5 hours ago, link417 said:

My incredulity wasn’t at the fact that they dispatched someone for the call, but the fact that she called for her dead/dying dog in the first place. I’d like to think I would give someone else the benefit of the doubt re: dialing 911 out of panic, but with other behavior I’ve seen from Tinsley, I’m inclined to believe she’s quite dumb.

For me, I think it's being quite selfish to try to have a dog riddled with cancer revived.  Personally, I think it's selfish to keep animals alive when they have cancer, especially after seeing my husband suffer from it for 4 years.  An animal shouldn't have to deal with that type of pain when you can give them a peaceful end to it.  

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14 minutes ago, sasha206 said:

For me, I think it's being quite selfish to try to have a dog riddled with cancer revived.  Personally, I think it's selfish to keep animals alive when they have cancer, especially after seeing my husband suffer from it for 4 years.  An animal shouldn't have to deal with that type of pain when you can give them a peaceful end to it.  

I mostly agree.  The difficulty lies in not being able to know how our pets are truly feeling.  When rational, we rely on instinct and observation.  Trouble is, when faced with the loss of a loved family member, rationale is often skewed.

The biggest problem I have with calling 911 for a pet, is removing that rescue squad from being available for human distress, which as much as I love my pets and animals in general, should take priority.

Sorry Tins, it's a "no" from me.

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14 minutes ago, SuprSuprElevated said:

I mostly agree.  The difficulty lies in not being able to know how our pets are truly feeling.  When rational, we rely on instinct and observation.  Trouble is, when faced with the loss of a loved family member, rationale is often skewed.

The biggest problem I have with calling 911 for a pet, is removing that rescue squad from being available for human distress, which as much as I love my pets and animals in general, should take priority.

Sorry Tins, it's a "no" from me.

I had a pet who had a cancerous tumor on her mouth.  And I could tell before I took her to the vet that something wasn't right with her.   I don't think it's that difficult to tell when your pet is suffering.  I think humans are selfish and put their pets through awful treatments because they don't want to grieve.  While their intentions are good, I just think you have to put your pet above your needs.  I say this as an animal lover who has 5 rescues in this house right now! 

 When it was clear my old dog would have to go through tremendously painful surgeries which would leave her with a big piece of her jaw missing, I decided it would be better to put her to sleep.  I weighed the option; I'm not just a Dr. Kevorkian.  If it wasn't something aggressive and had a positive outcome with minimally invasive treatments, I may have been fine with it.

I just couldn't put her through horrible surgery, horrible recovery for an issue that would likely recur.  Especially with pets when they have no idea that they are about to have a peaceful end.  To me, it's just selfish to keep a sick animal alive.  When my dog was peacefully put out of her misery, I gave a healthy, homeless dog a happy home.  I don't mean to make it sound like animals are replaceable, but with so many homeless animals, I'd rather give a terminally ill animal a peaceful end and healthy one a loving home.

So for me, the problem I have with Tins is twofold -- wasting rescue efforts and also trying to revive a terminally ill dog.  I think she's a sweet person, but at some point you put the dog's well being in front of your own selfish needs.

That said, I can't imagine laughing over someone's grief and I think the RHOs were shits for treating her the way they did.

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2 minutes ago, sasha206 said:

So for me, the problem I have with Tins is twofold -- wasting rescue efforts and also trying to revive a terminally ill dog.

Yep.

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1 hour ago, SuprSuprElevated said:

I mostly agree.  The difficulty lies in not being able to know how our pets are truly feeling.  When rational, we rely on instinct and observation.  Trouble is, when faced with the loss of a loved family member, rationale is often skewed.

The biggest problem I have with calling 911 for a pet, is removing that rescue squad from being available for human distress, which as much as I love my pets and animals in general, should take priority.

Sorry Tins, it's a "no" from me.

I don't think I would call 911 in that situation, but I may understand why Tinsley did. I think she was panicked and calling 911 was the first thing that came to mind. The emergency operator and/or the responders, could have told her that she should call her vet or take Bambi to an animal hospital. They made the decision to dispatch the resources.

I don't fault Tinsley. She went to check on Bambi, not thinking he'd be dead and she panicked. She was trying to do what she thought was right, to help him. At least she didn't post any pics or video to SM.

Does the vet give you an emergency number? or, perhaps, instructions for what to do if your terminally ill pet should pass at home? She seemed completely unprepared. 

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9 hours ago, SweetieDarling said:

I don't think I would call 911 in that situation, but I may understand why Tinsley did. I think she was panicked and calling 911 was the first thing that came to mind. The emergency operator and/or the responders, could have told her that she should call her vet or take Bambi to an animal hospital. They made the decision to dispatch the resources.

I don't fault Tinsley. She went to check on Bambi, not thinking he'd be dead and she panicked. She was trying to do what she thought was right, to help him. At least she didn't post any pics or video to SM.

Does the vet give you an emergency number? or, perhaps, instructions for what to do if your terminally ill pet should pass at home? She seemed completely unprepared. 

Fuck Bethenny for judging and smirking at Tinsley's response to her pet emergeny. 

Bethenny's response was more appropriate? 

Warning to pet lovers. The video attached to this is very disturbing. Keep in mind, this was in Bryn's presence. Not only a terrible pet owner, but terrible mother.

Fuck Bethenny and her fucking grinning at Tinsley not knowing how to help Bambi.

Oh, in case I didn't make myself clear. Fuck you Bethenny.

Again, pet owners be warned.

https://www.tmz.com/2017/10/29/bethenny-frankel-put-her-dog-down-cookie-45-minute-seizure-vet/

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32 minutes ago, Happy Camper said:

Fuck Bethenny for judging and smirking at Tinsley's response to her pet emergeny. 

Bethenny's response was more appropriate? 

Warning to pet lovers. The video attached to this is very disturbing. Keep in mind, this was in Bryn's presence. Not only a terrible pet owner, but terrible mother.

Fuck Bethenny and her fucking grinning at Tinsley not knowing how to help Bambi.

Oh, in case I didn't make myself clear. Fuck you Bethenny.

Again, pet owners be warned.

https://www.tmz.com/2017/10/29/bethenny-frankel-put-her-dog-down-cookie-45-minute-seizure-vet/

I watched less than 15 seconds of that and couldn’t watch more. My cats are part of our family. I would never put them thru that kind of hell I would and I have never ever ever have recorded “my” trauma on Instagram. We had a cat that we scheduled to put down because he was so sick. Even though it was scheduled I was still so traumatized the last thing I would have been thinking would be “I need to record my trauma on social media”

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On 7/21/2019 at 3:48 AM, ShawnaLanne said:
On 7/21/2019 at 3:22 AM, ShawnaLanne said:

She uses it all the time. It's  infuriating, one of our tenants is that "Anonymity is the spiritual foundation of all our Traditions, ever reminding us to place principles before personalities.” 

There are a lot of good reasons for that, those that pertain to alcoholics specifically, our personal mental health/growth, because no one person should definitively speak about AA, an individual shouldn't be seen as the face of AA and we don't endorse stuff under the guise of AA, it would cause problems. But also because alcoholics often relapse, and even when we don't we can say and do really stupid stuff -partly because of our personality types. In a nutshell ,so we don't give AA a bad name. This half assed embracing of AA makes us look bad - but more importantly could discourage someone who could be helped by the program get help, because - Lu.

I don't care one way or another if she is or isn't an alcoholic, she is a condenscending entitled witch. Who is sometimes amusing to watch, but usually infuriating. I wish she and Ramona were kicked down to friend of, maybe it would deflate their egos enough so they'd be good to watch again.

I could also enjoy seeing someone more like Tinsley on the show. I liked watching her do her circus gig, and charity things. It doesn't have to be all drama to be engaging for me. 

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I think they are jealous of Tinsley. 

I noticed this moment during the shriek-fest. I'm paraphrasing:

Bethenny: "Oh god stop talking about the South..." (during Tinsley's efforts to explain her fancy Southern upbringing and how it affects her behavior)

Andy, quietly to Bethenny: "But don't you understand she had a very privileged upbringing, with great wealth, she was a debutante..."

That was Andy nailing Bethenny. I laughed.

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