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S17.E14: Finale


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1 hour ago, Lamb18 said:

Also did she make her own outfit from the money given her for the collection or did she pay for the extra fabric out of her own pocket? I hope the second.

I'm sure she just used left over fabric from her collection.  I think she had it printed and not very many designers would say I need exactly 3.5 yards of fabric for this dress and 2.2 yards for that skirt and print the exact amount they calculated.  They would estimate, round up AND throw in extra because if you screw something up and need to get more you can't actually just go to JoAnn's and pick up more😀.  And I don't blame her a bit for using it.  It's really the most practical solution.

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Why did Garo even pick Kate in the first place?   They left 20 models unpicked on the table.  Any model would have been better than someone they were all actively avoiding like the plague during the season.

I thought Hester made a mistake by wearing her design on herself as she was the first one out.  She ruined the "reveal" of the actual dress by her mini dress.  She's so extra that she upstaged her own show.  Ironic

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I have not been a Hester fan during the season... but I LOVED her runway show. For some reason, seeing her over-analyze everything and her quirkiness sort of endeared her to me.

Plus, her designs really reflected her. As Bishme said, "she's not afraid to show people who she is."

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7 hours ago, Token said:

Bishme was a lovely person.  But he made simple sparkly dresses with peplums and other sparkly clothes.  He was nothing special in terms of his designs.

I respectfully disagree, I thought, for example, the sparkly burnt Sienna dress with the big bow he made for the room/art gallery challenge alone was better than all the outfits Hester produced in the entire season put together. I guess it's a matter of taste, but I'd pick Bishme over Hester and her "the color lilac meets Saran wrap" collection anytime! 

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35 minutes ago, LucindaWalsh said:

Ha, your example reminded me that I was reading some twitter stuff about that self absorbed twerp Jim Acosta making everything about himself and they used this picture as an aside to how he does it:

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Hester is very much the Jim Acosta of the runway.

YES! Exactly. Hester - like your example pictured - is an ourobouros of persona promotion.

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Sebastian had some lovely looks, but about half of his collection was in a fabric that puckered or wrinkled with every move that the model made.  I just rewatched his runway to see if I was misremembering, but no, I would be appalled to have to wear any of those pants, particularly the champagne (beige-y) number which also had tons of puckering at the side seams.  Even the blue trenchcoat dress had a lot of motion-wrinkling going on.

Is this somehow acceptable in high-fashion?  I'm kind of baffled as to why none of the judges and no one on the forums has mentioned this. 

I thought Gero's collection was more wearable, but I know that the judges generally count that against a contestant.  I really liked his last look on the plus size model. 

I know that Hester's target audience isn't grown women, but she's certainly got a look.  She's a female version of Mondo -  if he did his designs after dropping acid.

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Not sure why the journalist Jim Acosta was brought up as an example of "ego" (I don't think he has named hotels, casinos, golf courses,  wineries, or other assorted entities for himself, though I could be wrong), but I thank our Founding Fathers for the First Amendment, including the bit about the Fourth Estate. 

I fault Hester not for designing for herself---after all, Diane Von Furstenberg wore variations of her iconic wrap dress---but for having execrable taste. 

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I finally realized what Hester's Marie Antoinette look reminded me of. I live in the Bay Area which has a disproportionately high number of Burners aka people who attend Burning Man. People totally get into making elaborate costumes but often in a crafty way. Hester's Marie Antoinette look was what a first year Burner wears (which is one of the ways to spot a first time Burner a mile away).

Cheap corset top purchased at a costume shop on Haight? Check. Cheap tutu? Check. Cheap wig? Check. Garter belt to sex up your look a little? Check. This is the kind of cheap but easy outfit that first time Burners wear because it's so simple to pick up the pieces at any shop in San Francisco/Oakland/Berkeley or order on Amazon.

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7 hours ago, PupsyDaisy said:

I know that Hester's target audience isn't grown women, but she's certainly got a look.  She's a female version of Mondo -  if he did his designs after dropping acid.

And her wife dressed like Mondo!

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For a group of judges that constantly warn against going costumey and extoll the virtues of “taste level” they certainly gave Hester a pass on those criteria. 

Aside from some zipper issues Garo was definitely better than Hester.

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On 6/14/2019 at 12:10 PM, Beaner said:

Maybe I’m not remembering correctly but I loved him during his season. He made me laugh and I thought he was very endearing just being himself.

I will admit that I loathed Christian during his season. But even then, I recognized how driven and passionate he was about his work. He was going to make his name in fashion--end of story. I think that's part of what I didn't love about him, because he lacked warmth (IMO). 

His work since his PR win proved to me what a star he is. Not just because of his designs, but because of the people he designs for. I feel like he dresses women who are up and coming, and who don't have traditional body types (Danielle Brooks being a good example). 

And while I still wouldn't say he's warm, he is affectionate and empathetic yet still professional. A really good mentor and TV personality.

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10 hours ago, ElectricBoogaloo said:

I finally realized what Hester's Marie Antoinette look reminded me of. I live in the Bay Area which has a disproportionately high number of Burners aka people who attend Burning Man. People totally get into making elaborate costumes but often in a crafty way. Hester's Marie Antoinette look was what a first year Burner wears (which is one of the ways to spot a first time Burner a mile away).

In my area of the country, it looks very much like a "Dragon*Con after dark" costume. Dragon*Con goers can often have costumes from very elaborate to simple but effective (along with a good number of awesome T-Shirts with witty graphics and sayings***), but the vibe changes at night when some of the costumes are more relaxed and often definitely not for the kiddies, and I could see Hester's first outfit very much being a Marie Antoinette inspired, steam punk-like cosplay costume for the after dark crowd.

And speaking of graphics, taking a second look at Hester's prints... I just didn't get them, and think I might have liked her stuff more with different prints. I especially didn't get the way she used the "prints" on the sheer fabric. I liked it on the long, flowing skirt look (the 8th look). That was actually my favorite look of Hester's, and I wish she'd had more like it. I really liked that use of the fabric, but on some of the other models' looks - especially the 2nd and 6th looks - it looked to me like someone splashed something on the model, staining the fabric (either that or it looked like the poor models were very sweaty). It was especially weird on that 2nd look with the chained together sleeves, and that look was already pretty much a "What the...?" look for me already. I hated that look. Although I suppose if the goal was to get a reaction, Hester achieved that. I had an almost angry reaction upon seeing that look - which is weird, because fashion doesn't generally piss me off, but for some reason that look did... which if that was Hester's goal, then well, good job, I guess?

And the way that strange graphic print on that Marie Antoinette look was cut, it looks to me like a guy who has to go to the restroom really badly... or someone hit him in a delicate area and his knees are buckling in response. It was already a lot of look. I would have gone more simple / subtle with the print.

And I guess that was my main problem with Hester's collection: I didn't like most of the prints she chose, and the one I did like, I didn't think she used it wisely (except for that one look where I loved it.)

I wasn't much for the pumpkin color on some of Sebastian's looks either - I would've preferred more of a light rust tone - but at least there weren't clashing prints involved.
 

*** I found an Edgar Allan Poe T-shirt for this year with a graphic of Edgar Allen Poe saying "I'm just a Poe boy. Nobody loves me," with a raven graphic beside him saying "He's just a Poe boy, from a Poe family."

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Because I should spell Edgar Allan Poe's name right, dammit!
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1 hour ago, AwesomO4000 said:

*** I found an Edgar Allen Poe T-shirt for this year with a graphic of Edgar Allen Poe saying "I'm just a Poe boy. Nobody loves me," with a raven graphic beside him saying "He's just a Poe boy, from a Poe family."

Thanks! I found one on amazon and just bought it!

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1 hour ago, AwesomO4000 said:

... I wasn't much for the pumpkin color on some of Sebastian's looks either - I would've preferred more of a light rust tone - but at least there weren't clashing prints involved.
 

I thought it was a clever, even if unconscious, reference to Hermès... (because of the timeless effortless chic.)

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10 hours ago, Diane Mars said:

I thought it was a clever, even if unconscious, reference to Hermès... (because of the timeless effortless chic.)

I thought the style was great. It was just the color I didn't care for so much, and it was also more a bias on my part than anything else. I look awful in orange - and yellow and lime green for that matter - so I tend to not like as much things in those colors. I look fine in rust, however, so similar color pallet maybe, but a color I prefer and don't look sallow in.

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19 hours ago, LucindaWalsh said:

I liked the red fuzzy stuff Hester used in her runway design but I didn't like all the, as another poster put it, Who's your Daddy? tones to her designs.

The red furry stuff looks too much like she murdered Elmo.   I got a big old Lolita vibe from her clothing, too.

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16 hours ago, Diane Mars said:

I thought it was a clever, even if unconscious, reference to Hermès... (because of the timeless effortless chic.)

Also, the leather work. Hermes started making horse bridles and saddles.

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6 hours ago, terrymct said:

The red furry stuff looks too much like she murdered Elmo. 

Hee.

Because I was a big fan of Buffy when it was on though, I pretty much have a tolerance to that kind of thing. Seriously, Willow's fashion sense was atrocious, and her dead Elmo sweater makes Hester's use of the red fur seem almost tame. See #15 here: https://www.buzzfeed.com/bprofitt/the-definitive-ranking-of-willows-sweaters-on-buf-v954. (Check out the rest of the list at your own peril. There's some serious ugly on there.)

Actually after looking at that list again, I am wondering if Willow wasn't somehow an inspiration for Hester. "I could take that vibe, but make it better, more colorful, more stylish, edgier!" Some things, though, just can't be done, in my opinion, despite the valiant effort. Heh.

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On 6/15/2019 at 10:10 PM, HappyDancex2 said:

Why did Garo even pick Kate in the first place?   They left 20 models unpicked on the table.  Any model would have been better than someone they were all actively avoiding like the plague during the season.

It seems like overall there were far fewer plus models than 'regular' ones, and I can only assume each designer was required to pick a certain number of plus models for their finale show (though they never said that, exactly).  Therefore, Kate and Asia and the other plus models were sort of guaranteed to be picked. There wasn't one challenge during the whole season that we didn't see Kate, despite there being fewer designers each week, so I feel like she had some kind of contract and they were required to use her for each runway.  I remember this also being the case on a previous season, when the notable plus size model that got a lot of attention was Lyris - she was in every challenge runway as well as the finale. (She was much better than Kate at modeling though.) Anyway, my point is that if they are required to choose from the limited number of plus models, Garo might not have had much choice but to use Kate - someone had to, and he's the only one who'd had some success in dressing her during the season. 

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6 hours ago, AwesomO4000 said:

Because I was a big fan of Buffy when it was on though, I pretty much have a tolerance to that kind of thing. Seriously, Willow's fashion sense was atrocious, and her dead Elmo sweater makes Hester's use of the red fur seem almost tame. See #15 here: https://www.buzzfeed.com/bprofitt/the-definitive-ranking-of-willows-sweaters-on-buf-v954. (Check out the rest of the list at your own peril. There's some serious ugly on there.)

My eyes, my poor eyes 

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On 6/15/2019 at 1:00 AM, nb360 said:

Does anyone know if there will be a reunion show?

So I guess there won't be a reunion show.

Disappointing... but maybe this keeps the show "classy"? Meaning, this is not a Housewives show. 

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On 6/14/2019 at 12:11 PM, carrps said:

As I remember it they were both immature and pouty. Clash of the egos!

As I remember it Christian's competitors felt sorry for Christian getting stuck with such a deliberately impossible brat of a client -- with a very pushy mother to boot.  Basically the read of the room was that Christian was caught in a no win situation.

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As much as I disliked Hester and everything about her aesthetic all season, I stunned myself by not hating her runway collection.  I thought it went downhill after the first few looks, but I still thought it made for an entertaining show.  Garo's however, looked cheap to me.  They definitely made the right call giving the win to Sebastian and his gorgeous work.  

I'm not a big Christian fan because I thought he was a mean girl during his season (I know, it was years ago, he was young, etc.) and I can still see flashes of that now.  But he was a pretty good mentor, especially because he's such a hot designer right now, has a current, fresh perspective to share with them and has been in their shoes.  For me, he's no Tim, but I didn't mind him.  Brandon Maxwell, on the other hand, rubbed me the wrong way all season.  

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