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Who else is paying attention? Who are your favourites to win? Which matches are you most looking forward to?

That first match between France and South Korea was pretty... predictable. I think SK only made 2 or 3 attempts at the goal so there was no way the were going to win. I bet the French team were absolutely delighted to win their first match on home soil. I think they might be one of the favourites. 

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I realise that this may be a void during which I talk only to myself, but yesterday was quite fun. The games ended pretty predictably, but I was quite shocked at how many yellow cards were given out. I don't think that Spain deserved one of the penaltys they were given, but hey ho.

Today it's Australia V Italy, Brazil v Jamaica and the one I can't wait for England v Scotland!

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On 6/9/2019 at 4:48 AM, doesntworkonwood said:

I realise that this may be a void during which I talk only to myself, but yesterday was quite fun. The games ended pretty predictably, but I was quite shocked at how many yellow cards were given out. I don't think that Spain deserved one of the penaltys they were given, but hey ho.

Today it's Australia V Italy, Brazil v Jamaica and the one I can't wait for England v Scotland!

Ah, you won't be completely by yourself. I will admit that I don't usually follow professional soccer, but I do tend to keep up with the US Women's National Team during the World Cup. How's Mia Hamm doing?  I kid, I kid. (Although Mia said in a recent interview that many  people who approach her on the street still think she's an active player). 

Seriously, is FS1 showing all (or most) of the games live? During the Men's World Cup, sports television tends to have non-stop soccer coverage. Not usually the case for the women. 

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46 minutes ago, topanga said:

Ah, you won't be completely by yourself. I will admit that I don't usually follow professional soccer, but I do tend to keep up with the US Women's National Team during the World Cup. How's Mia Hamm doing?  I kid, I kid. (Although Mia said in a recent interview that many  people who approach her on the street still think she's an active player). 

 Seriously, is FS1 showing all (or most) of the games live? During the Men's World Cup, sports television tends to have non-stop soccer coverage. Not usually the case for the women. 

Haha, the US haven't even played yet, they're playing tomorrow so you haven't missed any of their games. They're playing Thailand, so they should have a nice easy game. 

I'm not sure who's got the rights to the games in the US. We're very lucky in the UK because the BBC have got rights to all of the games, which means that they're available live on iplayer if they're not on TV. The Beeb also have Alex Scott and Hope Solo as pundits, which is a decision that a lot of people are loving. 

Yesterdays England v Scotland was very good and nerve wracking. England started off well, but Scotland definitely ended up the better team. I'm an England supporter though so I'm very glad they managed to win. 

Argentina just held Japan off very well, and Group D is pretty open now unless England get much better in my opinion. 

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I will be watching too! And cheering on the Canadians while eagerly waiting for Sinclair to break that record. She has worked so hard (and for so long) for this team and this sport and I really hope this is her year. Canada has a bad tendency to not hit our groove until the 40th minute of the first half and it happened again today. We also can't seem to get more than one goal a game and we've done okay so far this year, but it can't continue that's for sure. 

VAR has definitely changed the game, as has the new hand-ball rule. I'm not sure I agree that a penalty kick should be the only option of a foul inside the box - as not all fouls stop a goal from being scored. Maybe a free kick from that spot instead would work unless it was a clear goal scoring opportunity that was stopped. Because now you may see more players aiming for a player's hand instead of the net. 

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11 hours ago, HighHopes said:

I will be watching too! And cheering on the Canadians while eagerly waiting for Sinclair to break that record. She has worked so hard (and for so long) for this team and this sport and I really hope this is her year. Canada has a bad tendency to not hit our groove until the 40th minute of the first half and it happened again today. We also can't seem to get more than one goal a game and we've done okay so far this year, but it can't continue that's for sure. 

VAR has definitely changed the game, as has the new hand-ball rule. I'm not sure I agree that a penalty kick should be the only option of a foul inside the box - as not all fouls stop a goal from being scored. Maybe a free kick from that spot instead would work unless it was a clear goal scoring opportunity that was stopped. Because now you may see more players aiming for a player's hand instead of the net. 

I don't think many people are happy with the new rules, myself included. The worst thing for me though is how slow it has taken the off-sides to be called. Even the really clear ones. It's really frustrating to watch especially as there have been so many goals scored and then (rightfully) decaled off-side. I can't imagine how frustrating it is for the players. 

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Wow, what a dominating performance by the US. I know Thailand isn't in the same league but 13 -0 is an epic beatdown. I think everyone but Alyssa Naeher scored. I felt sorry for Thailand, at one point they showed some of their fans with a young child crying. That probably sums up how all their fans felt.

On 6/10/2019 at 2:38 PM, doesntworkonwood said:

The Beeb also have Alex Scott and Hope Solo as pundits, which is a decision that a lot of people are loving.

Oh man, what I wouldn't give to hear that commentary. Hope Solo also appeared on Bong Appetite  (a cannabis cooking show) a couple of weeks ago, just in case she hadn't burned enough bridges for her squeaky clean image. I still miss seeing her in goal, though. It's hard to tell if Alyssa Naeher will measure up.

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I haven't watched the bloodbath yet but my dad turned it off after goal 6 because he felt bad for Thailand.

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I felt bad for Thailand too.  To me it feels like bad for the US to keep on scoring when it was so clear they were going to win by a large margin.  I mean, the US women are the heavy favorites to win, so they could have been more gracious.  Instead, I feel like they humiliated Thailand.

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In any other sport (ie., American football),  they would have been raked over the coals for running up the score. There’s a reason to have a good goal differential, but that was ridiculous.

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If Sweden and the US wind up tied with points at the end of the round (which is likely), it will come down to goal differential. This is the group round and sometimes it comes down to that. Sweden will be playing against Thailand as well. If you think they aren't going to play as hard as they can and rack up as many goals as they can... I don't know what to tell you.

Feel bad for Thailand, sure, that's fair. They are clearly not on par and the question should be if the Women's World Cup should have been expanded to include teams that are not competitive.

But this IS a competition. A professional competition. A bad loss sucks but that's actually how the game improves. When Tiger Woods was destroying the competition it wasn't up to him to hold back it was up to everyone else to improve and that's what happened. 

You can make an argument for the celebrations but for winning that soundly? Last time around the US Women's Team got criticized for NOT beating sup-par competition soundly. Isn't it more than a little humiliating for the other team to have the US decide NOT to play full bore? That's basically telling them they aren't worth the effort. It's bad enough to be losing badly but then to have the other team stop trying? Fuck that. That's insulting as hell. And if the US had done that, they'd have been reamed for it, too.

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My beef is mainly about the celebrations. As someone a Twitter pointed out, five of the last six US goals were scored by Morgan, Rapinoe and Lloyd. People in their third and fourth World Cups. The celebrations were just really over the top.

And I like Abby Wambach, but she can miss me with the “people would never tell men blah blah blah.“ All that tells me is that she’s never watched a Saturday of college football, especially in the early season when schools tend to schedule Cupcake U. I get that Thailand qualified for the World Cup,  but it was clear before the game even started that they were not going to be competitive.

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1 hour ago, tanyak said:

My beef is mainly about the celebrations. As someone a Twitter pointed out, five of the last six US goals were scored by Morgan, Rapinoe and Lloyd. People in their third and fourth World Cups. The celebrations were just really over the top.

And I like Abby Wambach, but she can miss me with the “people would never tell men blah blah blah.“ All that tells me is that she’s never watched a Saturday of college football, especially in the early season when schools tend to schedule Cupcake U. I get that Thailand qualified for the World Cup,  but it was clear before the game even started that they were not going to be competitive.

I have no issue with scoring goals - that is needed when it can come down to goal differential with group stages. It was the over exaggerated celebrations that was tasteless. The USWNT are THE top team, goals are obviously going to happen. But IMO good sportsmanship should come with grace and class when a game is that uneven. Children are looking up to you and you should want to show them how to win, but also how to be a graceful winner. 

And yes Abby, I absolutely would be calling out men for behaving the same way. That’s not even a question. Just look at how much Neymar is criticized for his over exaggerated falls for starters. 

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3 hours ago, Fukui San said:

Australia-Italy seems to have been the most exciting match so far.

I've watched every match so far besides the second half of Norway vs Nigeria, the last bit of Canada vs Cameroon and most of US v Thailand. My favourites were Germany vs China, because that was filled with opportunities, England vs Scotland because despite losing Scotland came out the better team and Argentina vs Japan because that was some truly amazing defense coming from a team that has gone through so much shit just to be there. 

They were all matches during which my heart was beating pretty fast because you never really knew which way it would end up. 

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It's getting a lot of coverage here in Canada. 

Watched the stunning comeback the Italians managed over the Aussies, and of course I watched my Canucks edge the Cameroonians 1-nil. 

Probably will watch the rest of Canada's games and maybe a few more over the weekend. And then start paying dedicated attention once we hit the knockout stage. 

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Have the American women shown any remorse yet?  They're an embarrassment to their country and their sport, goal difference notwithstanding.

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Why should they? These are adult not children in a rec league. Nobody ask people to go easy on the American men when they play 😉  . Goal differential is important and do you think Sweden is going to easy on these less experienced teams?

I don't think they are an embarrassment its some of these women first world cup should they not get to celebrate that accomplishment?

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I don't have an issue with playing full-steam and letting the score be what it will, but the celebrations were obnoxious, especially towards the end. There was no need to be ridiculously over the top when you're up 10-0. And yes, men would've been called out for it if they acted the same way.

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It's not the goal difference I care about, it's the obnoxious behaviour.  And it's nothing to do with them being the women's or the men's team.  They showed a complete lack of class, sportsmanship, and grace.

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The Norway vs France game was really good! Wendie Reynard's own goal was absolutely hilarious to me, and she seemed to get a kick out of it too. I'm not sure about the penalty though, I don't think it should have been awarded and it really changed the whole game for the worse in my opinion.

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7 hours ago, doesntworkonwood said:

I'm not sure about the penalty though, I don't think it should have been awarded and it really changed the whole game for the worse in my opinion.

If that's the kind of calls we're gonna get from VAR (Video Assistant Referee) it's going to be a long tournament. Somebody gets kicked during a soccer game, so let's stop everything and award a penalty kick? Wow.

13 hours ago, Brookside said:

It's not the goal difference I care about, it's the obnoxious behaviour.  And it's nothing to do with them being the women's or the men's team.  They showed a complete lack of class, sportsmanship, and grace.

I thought the celebrations were over the top too. But in the US team's defense, all of them have wanted to play in the World Cup since they were kids. They've pretty much dedicated their adult lives to preparing. Then they go into a little bubble for a mini-camp, and don't play until the last match of the opening round. That is a lot of pent up energy. Add a crowd that is basically like a home match and you get a lot of celebration.

I wish a cooler head would have prevailed and stopped the excess, but you have Jill Ellis and Megan Rapinoe (who was wearing the captain's armband IIRC) in charge. Neither was particularly equipped to rein things in.

Looking forward to the Brazil-Australia game, Marta is back! Yay!

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3 minutes ago, Pandora said:

Looking forward to the Brazil-Australia game, Marta is back! Yay!

So am I! I'm just waiting for the BBC stream to start... should be a good one. 

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That game between England and Argentina was intense. There's no doubt that England were the better team, but Argentina's goal keeper Correa was absolutely fantastic!

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kudos to Argentinian team given how little support they have had from their FA

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21 hours ago, nickp1991 said:

kudos to Argentinian team given how little support they have had from their FA

Are they the ones who didn’t have a match for two years?

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23 hours ago, Pandora said:

Are they the ones who didn’t have a match for two years?

Yes.  Here are a pair of recent articles on the Argentine WNT's struggles with their association (the "AFA"):  BBC article and Guardian article.  The lack of support, especially by such a well-funded association like the AFA, was a lot more egregious (though, sadly not surprising) than just not playing any recognized matches.*

Another team at this Women's World Cup, Jamaica, also had over two years of recent match inactivity (dropped from FIFA's rankings in June 2017 due to 18 months of inactivity, returned in June 2018).

*It's not unusual for senior women's national teams from smaller countries, e.g. most of the Caribbean nations in CONCACAF (the continental federation for North America, Central America, and the Caribbean), to only play in the qualification competitions for the Women's World Cup, which leads to three years of match inactivity for those teams. Other continental federations, namely UEFA (Europe), have larger and more comprehensive qualification tournaments, so the European senior and junior (U-20, U-17, et cetera) women's national teams are much more active.

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On ‎06‎/‎13‎/‎2019 at 11:38 AM, Pandora said:

thought the celebrations were over the top too. But in the US team's defense, all of them have wanted to play in the World Cup since they were kids. They've pretty much dedicated their adult lives to preparing. Then they go into a little bubble for a mini-camp, and don't play until the last match of the opening round. That is a lot of pent up energy. Add a crowd that is basically like a home match and you get a lot of celebration

Most of the late goal scorers had been to more than one World Cup already.  So no excuses for their ridiculous displays.  Rapinoe's was particularly beyond the pale, imo.

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Can't believe what happened to Scotland last night. I was watching both matches at the same time, but in the end it was the SCOARG match that was the most interesting, and ridiculous. The new rule for penaltys is so stupid and really disadvantages the already disadvantaged goal keeper. Plus, when you spend that much time on VAR and waiting for a penalty to be taken and retaken, the additional time should reflect that but the ref just ended the game way too early. Not fair. 

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(Temporary) Rule Change:  For knock-out matches during the WWC, if the games goes to a penalty shoot-out ("Kicks from the Penalty Mark"), goalkeepers will not be automatically given a Yellow Card for stepping off the line early during the shoot-out.  This change only applies to the shoot-outs and not for regular penalty kicks (during normal and extra time).

I suspect that a goalkeeper could still be shown a Yellow Card for repeated encroachment during a shoot-out, as that could constitute persistent infringement.

Here's the direct link to IFAB's statement: Temporary dispensation: no cautions for goalkeeper encroachment during Kicks from the Penalty Mark (21 Jun 2019).

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According to the rules:  "Unlike during ‘normal time’, when a sent-off goalkeeper can usually be 'replaced' by the team substituting an outfield player for a specialist reserve goalkeeper, substitutions are not allowed in KFPM so an outfield player would have to become the goalkeeper".

I imagine someone brought up a question about "so what will happen in shoot-outs if the keeper gets 2 yellow cards?" - as according to the rules only the players on the field when the game ends can be involved in PKs. Which brought up the question between me and my sister - can you sub in a keeper for a field player? And do they have non-keeper kits with their names/numbers that they could wear? What a clusterfuc* that would have been. 

Apparently for the Premier League they won't be using VAR to enforce the "keeper on the line" rule. Which is bringing up the discussion about how the Women's World Cup is essentially being used as a test-run for this. What a ridiculous rule to put into play for the first time at the highest level of play for these women. 

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Norway-Australia was just a thrilling match yesterday. Hoping for more of the same now as France-Brazil gets underway. (Especially if it tired out the winner ahead of Friday’s match with the US. 🙂  )

as an Arsenal fan *, I’m also rooting for Vivienne Miedema and the Dutch, and to a lesser extent, England. 

* Arsenal men make me hate life more often than not, but Arsenal women make up for it. 

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VAR needs to go. The one thing I love about soccer is you don't stop playing. 

On 6/21/2019 at 1:37 PM, HighHopes said:

Which brought up the question between me and my sister - can you sub in a keeper for a field player?

Yes, you can sub in anyone for anyone. I wouldn't be surprised if the keepers had 'field' shirts either. 

That's some spine on Rapinoe to go to the same side for the second time in the game.

It's hard to start handing out cards because of excessive fouling, but Morgan is being beat down. At some point you have to warn them, and then put your foot down. 

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Holy, moly, France v US on Friday is going to be crazy!  I’ve always felt like this will be where the US stumbles (sucks for both teams that this is at quarterfinals). Then, saw France v Brazil, and thought US maybe had better shot than I thought. Then, saw US today, and, eeep!, all my concerns came rising back up again. 

Im rooting for the US, but I think I’m almost rooting just as hard for no controversies (VAR or otherwise) to mar the victory no matter who wins.  

Gutted for Christine Sinclair & Canada today, but I’ll never understand why Sinclair didn’t take that PK today. My understanding is that she asked the other woman (Beckie?) to take it. 

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34 minutes ago, pennben said:

Gutted for Christine Sinclair & Canada today, but I’ll never understand why Sinclair didn’t take that PK today. My understanding is that she asked the other woman (Beckie?) to take it. 

Yeah Sinclair asked Beckie to take it. I think it was because during the Algarve Cup Canada/Sweden went to PKs- and the only shot that was saved was Sinclair's.  Sinclair is the least selfish person and player and always puts her team first and I think she also wanted to give Beckie some confidence back if it went in. And Canada does need to find someone to take PKs once Sinclair retires*. 

I am heartbroken and absolutely crushed by the loss today. Canada wasn't playing to their best, and I have no idea why we never used our subs - but Sinclair has put so much of herself into this team that I wish she could finally win a major tournament. It was probably her last World Cup and to see it end like this just hurts. I hope Canada can figure things out before the Olympics. 

*I will never ever be emotionally ready to hear the news that she is retiring. She is the Canadian Women's Team and Canada Soccer. The fact that she will probably retire without ever being named FIFA Women's Player of the Year is heartbreaking.

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The thing about the Spain game is, they just hacked away to keep it close and got lucky that the ref didn't issue any cards. It wasn't as close as it seems. France is their best opponent and won't be taken lightly, but I think the US is still the better team if they are all healthy. I don't see France hacking away either. 

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There have been some negative comments about the quality of European women's football, so I'm pretty proud to say that 7/8 remaining teams are European. Just goes to show how a bit of investment goes a long way, and the game is just getting bigger and bigger especially in the UK. In fact, the next England match will be shown on the big screen at Glastonbury, which will hopefully get a lot more people invested. 

It also makes the competition a bit more interesting. UEFA doesn't have a qualification tournament for the Olympics, they just send the top three European teams in the World Cup. That means that the team wont just be competing to win, they'll be competing to make sure that they get a spot at the Olympics which should make things much more interesting! 

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I feel like the European teams always do well, which is why I tend to root for Asian and African teams .  Thus said, I am also rooting for England and the US.  As the teams whittle down, I have favorites who I want to win,  but mostly I want to see a good game without dirty plays.

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Being in Europe might also be a factor. South American teams don't play well outside the hemisphere. 

UEFA has the most spots too so statistically it stands to reason more made it further.

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On 6/25/2019 at 1:11 AM, pennben said:

Holy, moly, France v US on Friday is going to be crazy!  I’ve always felt like this will be where the US stumbles (sucks for both teams that this is at quarterfinals). Then, saw France v Brazil, and thought US maybe had better shot than I thought. Then, saw US today, and, eeep!, all my concerns came rising back up again. 

I can’t believe Jill Ellis left Alex Morgan in for so long, Morgan was getting the crap knocked out of her and was generally ineffective. What about our deep bench?

Alyssa Naeher was already making me nervous. Her bonehead move kicking the ball to Sauerbrunn was her most memorable moment of the night. Which is definitely not good.

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Morgan is a player that can make the one play to put the game away. And she did lead to the first goal. If the ref actually offiated better, there would have been cards in the second half. 

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On 6/26/2019 at 10:29 PM, ganesh said:

Morgan is a player that can make the one play to put the game away. And she did lead to the first goal. If the ref actually offiated better, there would have been cards in the second half. 

Sure, if she’s healthy. The ref should have called more fouls, but didn’t for whatever reason. It’s up to Ellis, as the coach, to adjust to whatever conditions exist on the field and that includes bad refereeing. Instead she hung Morgan out to dry. 

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Questionable call on the third goal. 

Otherwise even with more possession France didn't really threaten as much as I thought they would. Even after the France goal, they weren't really paying with much urgency. USA was dominating possession. 

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I know this was a hard game since France was the host, but I actually think England is going to be much tougher side. 

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Who was the french player (she was blonde, number 6) who got a yellow card at the end of the game, and then shoved another us player down, but nothing was called?  I'm not super knowledgeable about the finer points of the game, but it looked like she should have gotten another yellow card after that second hard shove.  

But good game, and I think the semi finals are going to be super competitive.  

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2 hours ago, ganesh said:

I know this was a hard game since France was the host, but I actually think England is going to be much tougher side. 

Agreed. I didn’t think France showed a ton of fight today after they went down early—they never really looked like they thought they were going to come back and they didn’t have a ton of urgency. England has more fight in them and are riding high after dismantling Norway.

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I also worry about a letdown after this game for US. Since the schedule came out, everyone circled the date of potential USvFRA quarterfinal as the game of the tournament. The final in the quarterfinal, if you will. 

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I think the US is veteran enough and well coached that a letdown isn't likely. Everyone circled France US as the game, but the US didn't. 

Frankly, the last four goals have been lucky at best. They need to generate way way more chances. 

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ooooooh, it's a game. Shots all over the place. 

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