S09.E12: The Ultimate Ultimatum

[918lux]

3 minutes ago, Keywestclubkid said:

I get what you are saying but does she claim to not know her employees that work for her on VDR tho? Her employees are like family to her if you follow what she does on VDR...... she specifically said she didn't know john or anything about him no clue who he really was but was totally ok with this "stranger" lying and using her name to do it and not in the least worried that he might do it again esp with track records of CLOSE friends and employees doing it to her in the past? Something smells and its not the day old fish from her restaurant

I disagree.  I think she was saying "I don't know him" meaning she wasn't socially acquainted with him.  Of course she knew him an professional capacity, he mans the front desk and coordinated the smaller fundraiser events, but that doesn't make him someone she "knows".  I also don't think he needed to be fired...she employs mostly 20-somethings in the restaurant industry and at a non-profit, not exactly places where she's really paying the big bucks for top-notch talent.  At the time she had the conversation with John, it looked like everything was going to blow over (the article hadn't come out), so true to her personality, she gave him a scolding and moved on.

[politichick]

18 minutes ago, thesupremediva1 said:

I think setting boundaries is important in life and in friendship. There ARE lines in the sand.

I respect Lisa a hell of a lot more now that she stuck to her guns. Some people hate to be the "mean" one, and just fold like a cheap suit given the opportunity to play kissy-face and sweep the unpleasantness under the carpet.

I've always been like Lisa. I have wonderful, close, strong friendships. I also have no qualms about getting rid of people, new and old, who no longer fit in my life. If you act like I don't exist, if you insist that I'm a liar or a bad person, if you treat me poorly, we are done. It's not about holding onto anger or grudges or acting like a mafioso (though I do bear a striking resemblance to Meadow Soprano) - it's about personal integrity and taking care of yourself. If I don't trust you and you've expressed that you don't trust me, we should not be friends!

And here's the thing with apologies, they are based on conditionals. You will not get an apology from me if:

1. I'm not actually sorry. I apologize if/when I'm wrong and feel legitimately remorseful for my actions. Otherwise, I'm lying on top of what I did wrong!

2. The apology is being held as ransom for friendship. This is classic Ho'wives - they don't want apologies, they want to publicly embarrass their adversaries and get a pound of flesh. 

3. I didn't actually do the thing you want me to apologize for. I find it pathological that Dorit begged Lisa to apologize so they could move forward. In order for LVP to apologize, she has to admit she did the thing you're mad about. She's insistent that she didn't.

This is why I side with LVP - if Dorit truly believes Lisa leaked the story, then LVP has lied about it 4 million times and sworn on her kids' lives on a lie. How in the heck could that translate to wanting friendship with this person?! If Dorit believes Lisa leaked the story, she should be furious and going at Lisa guns blazing. 

Either Dorit is being disingenuous, and doesn't believe Lisa leaked the story, but is going with it for a story line and joining the larger faction (bad friendship move) OR Dorit believes it but is afraid to lose her spot on the show so she's trying to move past it quickly so she'll still have an ally in following seasons (zero moral fiber).

Any way you slice it, Dorit looks like an idiot, and she's getting a crash course in how shitty Kyle is as an ally, which is making me laugh. No offense, but if Kyle has an issue with my husband, she can go talk to my husband about it. Dorit didn't make the barb and THAT isn't what she should be held accountable for.

These broads misplayed the whole season. They're glossing over the dumping of  A DOG and clutching their pearls over a tasteless joke made by PK. No wonder LVP still has so many fans! 

I didn't like it when Denise said that Lisa needs to apologize. Why is she jumping on that bandwagon? Plus, she often seems high to me and probably doesn't know what the bloody hell she's talking about.

Loved it when Erika correctly stated that Lisa isn't worrying about what any of those bitches are up to and also the images of Lisa celebrating the gay in India thing. Those women felt a bit stung when they learned that Lisa had invited Erika to the event and none of them.

Sorry, but I thought the whole Kyle/Portia thing was totally gross. She said sleeping with her children makes them (the parents) happy and they "need" to do this. Need it? Why? Where the hell do she and Mauricio have sex? It doesn't seem to be a very restful experience given how Portia was dragging. And why the fuck doesn't Kyle serve her breakfast in the kitchen or dining room? The whole thing was unsavory to me.

Dorit, with her faux accent, is most definitely a stupid cow. What part of Lisa is never going to apologize or say she was lying and nor should she does the twit not get? And it's not like Lisa is being unreasonable. She did not object when PK said he believes her but thinks someone in her camp was up to no good. PK is probably very pissed. Not sure there's any great London secrets theory, like dimwit Kyle suggested, but I do think that PK does not want to alienate the Vanderpump Todds because he may need a loan.

[langford peel]

I hope Lisa announces that she will not appear on the reunion and will not return to the show.

That is the ultimate goal of the cabal lead by Lisa Rinna and Erica who have long has it in for Lisa Vanderpump. The other three stooges of Dorit, Teddi and Kyle went along with it and will be very surprised at where they end up.

Dorits only storyline was her relationship with LVP. She misplayed her hand.

Teddi is an overbearing know it all and has lost the audience because of her constant attacks in the one woman who befriended her.

Kyle needs someone to play off of for a story. She is not interesting on her own. First there was her dysfunctional relationship with her sister. Then with her purported friend. Now she only has clipping toenails left.

Lisa needs to move on and concentrate on her own show. 

[Giselle]

1 hour ago, Keywestclubkid said:

She planted the story or had someone else do it...its just to much of a "coincidence" that she has a fall guy ready to take the blame for her or its always someone in her "circle" that was found to have "leaked" things EVERY TIME ... No one does anything around Lisa without her knowing I'm sorry .. So yes she should be called out....Loosing a relative does not give anyone a free pass to act like a asshole sorry

With LVP it's always, always, always a coincidence.

She reminds me of the English "House of Cards" Francis Urquhart's most famous line. After manipulations and planting stories he would always always say "You might think that, but I couldn't possibly say."  with us and him knowing full well he was behind it.

It's finally catching up with her. 

if it looks like a duck....

[Mr. Miner]

1 hour ago, byrd said:

Maybe it didn't affect her because she wasn't around those assholes..

She’s just as big an asshole as the others. She’s an asshole on VPR also, grieving or not grieving. Ken’s an asshole too!

[walnutqueen]

2 hours ago, KungFuBunny said:

The ladies are going camping shortly. Dark secluded forest...I hope someone takes out Needle on Coke Walker Dorit

1 hour ago, KungFuBunny said:

As Kyle said she's into Attachment Parenting. It will be up to Portia to decide when she wants to sleep in her own bed by herself.

For the unforeseeable future (this is for you WalnutQueen) Kyle will take on the role of Hodor

I lurve you, KFB!!!

1 hour ago, byrd said:

LVP doesn't seem desperate at all. but they sure as hell do.  Now "Teddi" , that's desperate lol !!!!

PeeKay is perhaps the most desperate housewife of them all.  I could see the flop sweat oozing out of his pores during that lunch with LVP & Ken.

[thesupremediva1]

11 minutes ago, Keywestclubkid said:

No one is siding with a puppy dumper its 2 separate issues ..... Calling Lisa out for being sneaky and lying doesn't mean anyone thinks what Dorit did was ok. Had Lisa not tried to be a sneak then lied about being a sneak all we would be talking about is how horrible what dorit did was .....

I don't want to get meta here at all, but WE are making this distinction here - the ladies on the show are whitewashing, sweeping away, and defending Dorit for no other reason than they want to take down LVP.

I've always found LVP to be a little shady with press dealings, but they all are - what they're mad about is that she always manages to deflect and won't cop to it. She pulls an OJ and forces a trial, and they never have enough evidence to convict. It IS masterful Bobby Fischer-type behavior - and they're all just a tad jealous that they're not as clever as LVP. Rinna has had to humble herself and swallow shit over and over again and so has Kyle. They want LVP to be held to the same standard. 

They just chose the wrong vehicle to drive for this LVP takedown. None of it is ringing true. It all feels very fake and convenient and put upon - as Frankel would say "It's never about what it's about."

That's kind of what Dorit was saying to Kyle last week about why Kyle is feuding with Lisa. Kyle insists she's doing it to defend Dorit and PK, but even Dorit knows that isn't true! And it was proven the very next night at dinner - Kyle went after Dorit and PK and attacked their friendship status with a person who - supposedly - is a horrible liar, narcissist, and press whore! 

The point about the dog dumping and LVP's antics being separate issues is well taken - but the ladies aren't keeping them mutually exclusive. Nuance must be difficult to portray on reality TV.

[Jel]

9 minutes ago, Giselle said:

With LVP it's always, always, always a coincidence.

She reminds me of the English "House of Cards" Francis Urquhart's most famous line. After manipulations and planting stories he would always always say "You might think that, but I couldn't possibly say."  with us and him knowing full well he was behind it.

It's finally catching up with her. 

if it looks like a duck....

I love that reference, Giselle, but Kyle is Urquhart! From the years of undercover seed planting to the "knowing glances" she gives the camera, Kyle is Urquhart.

[Keywestclubkid]

5 minutes ago, langford peel said:

Actually you are siding with the puppy dumper by  ignoring the crux of the issue and trying to humiliate and bring down Lisa by focusing on a side issue. Dorit self satisfied victim pose is disgusting and the more people ignore and minimize what she did the bigger her smirk becomes. 

Dorit deflected her guilt on to same old tired storyline that somehow LVP is a witch who mind controls the other women. We have seen this bullshit before and it doesn’t fly.

Lisa needs to leave and let them enjoy their toe nail clipping scenes.

and you are deflecting from the fact that Lisa got caught in a lie and had she not lied in the first place this would be a non issue ...I can separate the two issues some people seem to have a problem with doing that... ... NO where have i said what Dorit did should be over looked go back and read my past post i have called her out on it and think she is a shit for doing it .... But just because Im not ignoring what Lisa did in no way states that im on dorit's side ....sorry it doesn't you can be pissed about Dorit and pissed at Lisa at the same time because its TWO separate issues

Edited May 1, 2019 by Keywestclubkid

[Jel]

16 minutes ago, langford peel said:

I hope Lisa announces that she will not appear on the reunion and will not return to the show.

That is the ultimate goal of the cabal lead by Lisa Rinna and Erica who have long has it in for Lisa Vanderpump. The other three stooges of Dorit, Teddi and Kyle went along with it and will be very surprised at where they end up.

Dorits only storyline was her relationship with LVP. She misplayed her hand.

Teddi is an overbearing know it all and has lost the audience because of her constant attacks in the one woman who befriended her.

Kyle needs someone to play off of for a story. She is not interesting on her own. First there was her dysfunctional relationship with her sister. Then with her purported friend. Now she only has clipping toenails left.

Lisa needs to move on and concentrate on her own show. 

I have the same hope. Part of me wants her to stay and win, but Rinna and Kyle fight so dirty. So, I think she should leave, and I think she should take her shows to another network.

[esco1822]

4 minutes ago, thesupremediva1 said:

I see absolutely nothing cheer-worthy about having 10-year-olds do their own laundry and cook their own breakfast. Being a parent means taking care of your kids WHEN THEY ARE KIDS. If Portia is 20, not working, and still getting breakfast in bed, we can indict Kyle's parenting. 

Here's my issue with Kyle. It's not the cooking breakfast for her kid or giving her in breakfast in bed. It's breakfast in bed that her child did not sleep in. It's that she carried her child from the first floor master is (which unless i'm mistaken is also where the kitchen is), to a bedroom that child didn't sleep in to give her breakfast in bed on a custom painted tray with her name on it.  It's just so far over the top. Maybe the idea was to get Portia to where her clothes are? I don't know but the whole situation just stinks of a spoiled child. 

[byrd]

17 minutes ago, Mr. Minor said:

She’s just as big an asshole as the others. She’s an asshole on VPR also, grieving or not grieving. Ken’s an asshole too!

yes, she is, and she's the asshole that has them bothered.

[athousandclowns]

1 hour ago, outofbounds said:

My take on why people have sided with Lisa is this...

Maybe she’s sold stories in the past. Who really knows for sure? That’s not at all what I’m worried about since I find tabloids and stories written in them to be ridiculous.

The problem here is these women piling onto LVP when she’s had a SUPREMELY difficult year in regards to her brother. 

IMO this is where LVP is stuck. She cannot understand nor forgive any of these women for doing this when she’s dealing with what happened with her brother. Especially when it’s something so petty and stupid and not important.

For anyone who has ever lost someone they love tragically it is SO VERY HARD to see past someone’s bullshit and forgive them for being an asshole when you are dealing with the tragedy. I cut a few people out when I was dealing with it because, to me, it showed true character. Was I a saint? No. But I was struggling with something the likes of which I had never encountered before. It bulldozed me in ways I could never fully put into words and sent me for a loop. And if someone could fuck with me at a time like that? We’re done. Period. No footnotes. D.O.N.E

The betrayal, I suspect (because it was the same for me), is so deep for LVP there will be no reconciliation.

I don’t blame her. Dorit and Kyle’s constant insistence that they be able to speak honestly just furthers my belief that this is who they really are. Which is two women who don’t care what anyone else is going through as long as everyone knows they were right.

1000 likes. I tried to clip some but it bears repeating. For a very long time after a death I could not stand couples bickering. I stayed with one friend whose husband  talked down to her because he was stressed and I had to leave the room. I was literally  shaking inside when she let her grandson kick a ball up against a wall. It was Like I had no skin. My best friends bicker none stop over nothing and everything (  it’s like the dance they do ) and it’s still very difficult and unpleasant for me since the death. I want to shake them and scream it doesn’t matter!!!  I wouldn’t last a second with these harpies. So mean spirited. So unnecessary and classless because I think lots of us would like more house porn and traveling. 

[byrd]

3 hours ago, bichonblitz said:

That was a really shitty thing for Kyle to say. She is really auditioning hard to take the #1 queen bitch in charge spot (along with her family). It ain't gonna happen, Kyle. 

Like I said, she tried it .. Lol !!

[Carolina Girl]

1 hour ago, TattleTeeny said:

Lisa and "her" people are far from the only ones who knew what Dorit did. 

Including a low-level production assistant.  And I wouldn't put that past the Bravo minions.   They could have been talking to anyone at VPD while setting up the cameras, etc.  Especially if it's known that RO pays for stories.  

[nexxie]

LVP took a very long pause in the After Show video when asked if VPD fined Dorit - likely because Lisa approved of Lucy’s placement during the phone call just after Dorit gave the dog to that woman.

If Dorit was actually a horrible dog dumper, she would have been fined.

[TattleTeeny]

Unless Lisa chose not to fine the admitted dog dumper.

[byrd]

Unless they can replace Lisa with a DIVA on equal footing, it won't work. Now the only other diva that I can think of that would be above  and equal would be Kyle's oldest sister Kathy Hilton, now wouldn't that be interesting.. a real diva, intimidates Kyle and takes no crap off anyone and rich as hell !!!   

[nexxie]

1 minute ago, TattleTeeny said:

Unless Lisa chose not to fine the admitted dog dumper.

Lisa admits that she spoke with Dorit about the placement and didn’t fight it - she knows Dorit is not a dog dumper.

[Jel]

Just now, nexxie said:

Lisa admits that she spoke with Dorit about the placement and didn’t fight it - she knows Dorit is not a dog dumper.

And that's exactly what Lisa said to the press when she spoke, on camera, to TMZ.

Pity Dorit can't seem to put two and two together.

[TattleTeeny]

OK, but that doesn't negate that she is a dog dumper who violated a contact and wasn't fined for it; it confirms it. Lisa wouldn't have had to do any of that if Dorit wasn't an idiot.

Edited May 1, 2019 by TattleTeeny

[nexxie]

Just now, TattleTeeny said:

Ok, but that doesn't negate that she is a dog dumper who violated a contact and wasn't fined for it.

Ridiculous - she didn’t “dump” anything. Which is probably why she wasn’t fined - if there even was a contract.

[nexxie]

3 minutes ago, Jel said:

And that's exactly what Lisa said to the press when she spoke, on camera, to TMZ.

Pity Dorit can't seem to put two and two together.

The real pity is that LVP is a serial liar who can’t own her shit.

[Jel]

Just now, nexxie said:

The real pity is that LVP is a serial liar who can’t own her shit.

Nope, I'm staying with the Dorit thing. 

[byrd]

2 hours ago, outofbounds said:

My take on why people have sided with Lisa is this...

Maybe she’s sold stories in the past. Who really knows for sure? That’s not at all what I’m worried about since I find tabloids and stories written in them to be ridiculous.

The problem here is these women piling onto LVP when she’s had a SUPREMELY difficult year in regards to her brother. 

IMO this is where LVP is stuck. She cannot understand nor forgive any of these women for doing this when she’s dealing with what happened with her brother. Especially when it’s something so petty and stupid and not important.

I believe that is why it seems like she and Ken are being very demanding about it and why it looks like there’s no breathing room for anyone else. Because there isn’t. 

For anyone who has ever lost someone they love tragically it is SO VERY HARD to see past someone’s bullshit and forgive them for being an asshole when you are dealing with the tragedy. I cut a few people out when I was dealing with it because, to me, it showed true character. Was I a saint? No. But I was struggling with something the likes of which I had never encountered before. It bulldozed me in ways I could never fully put into words and sent me for a loop. And if someone could fuck with me at a time like that? We’re done. Period. No footnotes. D.O.N.E

That is what Dorit and Kyle don’t understand. They think LVP will get over it. She’ll calm down and discuss it and everything will be fine. And I hate to tell them but it’s not gonna happen. LVP will cordially speak to them if in the same area but she will never again go near any of them.

The betrayal, I suspect (because it was the same for me), is so deep for LVP there will be no reconciliation.

I don’t blame her. Dorit and Kyle’s constant insistence that they be able to speak honestly just furthers my belief that this is who they really are. Which is two women who don’t care what anyone else is going through as long as everyone knows they were right.

"clapping " thank you "outofbounds" 

[RHJunkie]

32 minutes ago, thesupremediva1 said:

I don't want to get meta here at all, but WE are making this distinction here - the ladies on the show are whitewashing, sweeping away, and defending Dorit for no other reason than they want to take down LVP.

I've always found LVP to be a little shady with press dealings, but they all are - what they're mad about is that she always manages to deflect and won't cop to it. She pulls an OJ and forces a trial, and they never have enough evidence to convict. It IS masterful Bobby Fischer-type behavior - and they're all just a tad jealous that they're not as clever as LVP. Rinna has had to humble herself and swallow shit over and over again and so has Kyle. They want LVP to be held to the same standard. 

They just chose the wrong vehicle to drive for this LVP takedown. None of it is ringing true. It all feels very fake and convenient and put upon - as Frankel would say "It's never about what it's about."

That's kind of what Dorit was saying to Kyle last week about why Kyle is feuding with Lisa. Kyle insists she's doing it to defend Dorit and PK, but even Dorit knows that isn't true! And it was proven the very next night at dinner - Kyle went after Dorit and PK and attacked their friendship status with a person who - supposedly - is a horrible liar, narcissist, and press whore! 

The point about the dog dumping and LVP's antics being separate issues is well taken - but the ladies aren't keeping them mutually exclusive. Nuance must be difficult to portray on reality TV.

So much of this. The group support on the issue does seem contrived because there is a lack of evidence to support their claims so it doesn't make sense why the lot of them are banding together when the issue only involved 2 of the 5 women who are being very vocal about it. It seems they're wholly relying on their numbers to establish what the truth is in the face of no evidence available. You can have no proof of something and still articulate what you feel is the truth without misrepresenting your opinion as facts. That is where these ladies always lose, time and time again. They argue the wrong point. I think a person loses credibility when they speak matter-of-factly about things they have no real proof of. Speaking in your feelings and acknowledging they are simply your feelings carries far more weight than trying to pass your feelings off as an equivalent to facts. 

[byrd]

4 minutes ago, byrd said:

"clapping " thank you "outofbounds" 

Say what they will about Ken , he could give a shit, he's not letting anyone DAWG out his wife.

[Happy Camper]

55 minutes ago, esco1822 said:

Here's my issue with Kyle. It's not the cooking breakfast for her kid or giving her in breakfast in bed. It's breakfast in bed that her child did not sleep in. It's that she carried her child from the first floor master is (which unless i'm mistaken is also where the kitchen is), to a bedroom that child didn't sleep in to give her breakfast in bed on a custom painted tray with her name on it.  It's just so far over the top. Maybe the idea was to get Portia to where her clothes are? I don't know but the whole situation just stinks of a spoiled child. 

This is the worst! She carried her 10 year old like she was a toddler. What the hell? I almost expected to see Portia hanging onto a blankie and sucking her thumb.

[Giselle]

1 hour ago, thesupremediva1 said:

Lord help me, I want to come to Kyle's defense on something. I was an only child and my mom made me the center of her world when I was kid. When I got older, it was smothering and I sought my own independence. I'm sure Portia will do the same.

I see absolutely nothing cheer-worthy about having 10-year-olds do their own laundry and cook their own breakfast. Being a parent means taking care of your kids WHEN THEY ARE KIDS. If Portia is 20, not working, and still getting breakfast in bed, we can indict Kyle's parenting. 

Sometimes helicopter parenting has its advantages for the parents. My mom  called me three to four times a day once I moved to college. It was annoying, yes. But as I got older, I appreciated how much she cared. My parents are getting old and need help - and I'm only too happy to do all I can for them. Why? They did all they could for me when I was young.

Just thought a different perspective might be helpful. Kyle might be a crappy friend with boundary issues, but a bad or misguided mother, she is not.

Nobody is saying a 10 year old has to be a house elf.

We're just saying giving them a chore or two and/or an easy personal responsibility. Setting the table, taking out the trash, drying the dishes, helping sort or fold laundry, feeding the dogs, or getting your own basic breakfast can be character building especially when one is having life handed to them on a silver platter.

I didn't miss the $1,300 Gucci backpack on the end of Portia's bed.

My 12 year old niece has heart of gold and is somewhat spoiled. Essentially an only child (1 late 20s y.o. sibling ), she has no responsibilities, no chores at home, doesn't feed or care for her dog, nothing except play and go to school. She can't put her hair into a ponytail because Mommy does it.

When she visits us for weekends and for a week or two in summer she has two chores. She's responsible for setting the dinner table and giving my cat dinner. We also occasionally might ask her to help us do some little something, like help to put away groceries she's taller than I am and can reach.

We don't work her. We thank her and tell her we appreciate her contribution to the family and I have also held up eating at the table when she once forgot to feed the cat. After the cat was fed we ate. She's only done it once. 

I try and find those small teachable moments with her, ones that won't turn into lectures or rules. Her mom has told me that my niece has said "Nothing is really free, somebody always pays or works hard to make it happen." A teachable moment at a Costco sample table, I taught her that and I'm glad she's listening. 

You turned out great, there are probably others out there that didn't fare so well.

Edited May 1, 2019 by Giselle
Cuz. Highlighted what I was responding to.

[nexxie]

27 minutes ago, Jel said:

Nope, I'm staying with the Dorit thing. 

LVP would love that - her targeting of Dorit is meant to deflect from the manipulation and leaking parts of the story.

[dosodog]

House Elf.

Socks.

FREE PORTIA!

[Jel]

1 minute ago, nexxie said:

LVP would love that - her targeting of Dorit is meant to deflect from the manipulation and leaking parts of the story.

Lol, well I gotta give you marks for consistency, nexxie 😉

[nexxie]

1 minute ago, Jel said:

Lol, well I gotta give you marks for consistency, nexxie 😉

Thanks - it’s always best not to get distracted by deflection and other narc tactics. 😉

[TattleTeeny]

51 minutes ago, nexxie said:

Ridiculous - she didn’t “dump” anything. Which is probably why she wasn’t fined - if there even was a contract.

Oh, please; shelters and adoption places generally have these contracts in place; why would Lisa not? Further, it's not like Lisa and Dorit know each other only through this adoption--they have a personal relationship and that makes it all the dumber for Dorit to not go through proper channels. How hard is it to call your animal-advocate friend who runs the business and say that it's not a good fit? Instead, the doofus goes out of her own way to do less simple thing? She dumped--ie, rehomed--that dog, which is a violation of a pretty standard shelter contract.

Edited May 1, 2019 by TattleTeeny

[film noire]

4 hours ago, Jel said:

How outright shady of Kyle to make insinuations about Lisa and Ken and PK and potential "London secrets", based on nothing at all except for what goes on in Kyle's head.   

Wild speculation about deeply-hidden secrets?  Public accusations made about behind-the-scene corrupt practices?   Oh, Kyle....what's good for the goose & all that; )

Edited May 1, 2019 by film noire

[politichick]

1 hour ago, TattleTeeny said:

Unless Lisa chose not to fine the admitted dog dumper.

She knows PK and Dorit bloody can't afford a $5000 dog fine!

[nexxie]

Just now, TattleTeeny said:

Oh, please; shelters and adoption places generally have these contracts in place; why would Lisa not? Further, it's not like Lisa and Dorit know each other only through this adoption--they have a personal relationship and that which makes it all the dumber for Dorit to not go through proper channels. How hard is it to call your animal-advocate friend who runs the business and say that it's not a good fit? Instead, the doofus goes out of her own way to do less simple thing? She dumped that dog.

Even LVP doesn’t claim Dorit dumped the dog - but she uses Dorit to deflect and so her fans do the same thing. It wasn’t just the leak that maligned Dorit, but also the continued lie about her “dumping” the dog. But, of course, getting people to do her dirty work is LVP’s specialty.

[RHJunkie]

15 minutes ago, nexxie said:

Ridiculous - she didn’t “dump” anything. Which is probably why she wasn’t fined - if there even was a contract.

LVP stated there was a contract with the fines stipulated in the contract. Dorit admitted that she did not thoroughly read the contract. What is your basis for questioning whether a contract for the adoption existed?

And the fine is totally unrelated to whether she dumped the dog or not. I don't know the specifics of Vanderpump Dogs contract, but most who have a penalty stipulated in their contract either require written permission by the Centre if the new owner wants to give away or sell the animal to another person OR they would have a strict return policy to the Centre itself. Either way, Dorit violated a legally binding contract and the only 'probably' of why she wasn't fined was solely to do with the discretion of the owner of the Centre and that's it. If it was some random shelter and Dorit had no ties to the owner, it's likely that the penalty would have been applied no matter what story she gave AFTER THE FACT of giving the dog away.

[TattleTeeny]

I give up, agree to disagree; Dorit violated a contract whether or not the "violatee" opted to enforce the fine.

Edited May 1, 2019 by TattleTeeny

[Giselle]

6 hours ago, ChitChat said:

I rewound that scene.  The dog didn't even hike his leg that high!  It appeared that he just left a puddle on the ground.  I don't think it got the marble.  Having said that though, I do find it rude to let one's dog run around a business like that.  I see people do this at Lowes (garden center, usually) and that's not the place for non-service type of dogs.

Sorry for the 3 separate posts!  I'm having trouble with posting this morning.  Ugh.

Nope the rat didn't hit the stone, but it still was very rude and disrespectful of the VPs to allow it to happen. It should cost then a few thousand extra on the stones they did choose. 

[nexxie]

1 minute ago, RHJunkie said:

LVP stated there was a contract with the fines stipulated in the contract. Dorit admitted that she did not thoroughly read the contract. What is your basis for questioning whether a contract for the adoption existed?

And the fine is totally unrelated to whether she dumped the dog or not. I don't know the specifics of Vanderpump Dogs contract, but most who have a penalty stipulated in their contract either require written permission by the Centre if the new owner wants to give away or sell the animal to another person OR they would have a strict return policy to the Centre itself. Either way, Dorit violated a legally binding contract and the only 'probably' of why she wasn't fined was solely to do with the discretion of the owner of the Centre and that's it. If it was some random shelter and Dorit had no ties to the owner, it's likely that the penalty would have been applied no matter what story she gave AFTER THE FACT of giving the dog away.

In the After Show videos, LVP went silent when asked if VPD fined Dorit, and Dorit said she didn’t know if she signed a contract. Where is the contract, and why was there no fine? There may have been a contract - but Lisa knows she approved the dog placement by phone the next day.

[Jel]

5 hours ago, Jel said:

I'm in Canada and can't see that video because of the stupid CRTC, and my google fu is failing me. Would someone who has watched it please let us Canadians know what the new puppy gate stuff (that involves Giggy) is?

UPDATE: Bravo uploaded the clip to YouTube, so watch away, Canadians!:

There's absolutely nothing in this that changes anything -- still the same old Dorit gave the dog to some woman she didn't know; Dorit behaved irresponsibly. This "lovely woman" had a family emergency and had to travel, so she....(record scratch sound) ...dropped the dog off at a shelter!?  Any dog owners  in the house? I mean, when we travel, we have a dog sitter. 

In Beverly Hills, when we dump a dog, we always dump it with a "lovely woman"

[Giselle]

10 minutes ago, film noire said:

Wild speculation about deeply-hidden secrets?  Public accusations made about behind-the-scene corrupt practices?   Oh, Kyle....what's good for the goose & all that; )

Or it could be that Lisa and Ken really, really do "love" their animals. Though I don't know how they would have sex with a Swan.

[nexxie]

All this stuff about Dorit keeps people from focusing on the manipulation of Teddi, the leak to the press, and a long history of similar behavior - see how that works?

[TV Diva Queen]

Dorit’s office looks like a set from a bad 80’s  sitcom. Good Lord

my brain is mush now. Bad day. But when Dorit told the gals at teddy’s House the outcome of her lunch w Lisa and Ken, she wasn’t entirely honest. It was a play on words, but whatever Dorit told the girls, was NOT what LVP said. 

[Alonzo Mosely FBI]

15 hours ago, Callaphera said:

I need to see that divorce settlement. Does Dorit get the CHA earring and PK get the NEL earring?

Ok I just choked on my water hahahaa DYING! 

Does PK get black Mesh dress and Dorito keep the black tube top? 

[sealit]

Dear Erika's Trainer,

Erika does not have perfect form. Your clients are going to permanently damage their backs if you let them erg like that.

Love,

A USC Alumna and rower who got in on merit.

[Jel]

20 minutes ago, nexxie said:

Even LVP doesn’t claim Dorit dumped the dog - but she uses Dorit to deflect and so her fans do the same thing. It wasn’t just the leak that maligned Dorit, but also the continued lie about her “dumping” the dog. But, of course, getting people to do her dirty work is LVP’s specialty.

No, not "even LVP doesn't claim Dorit dumped the dog", straight up LVP has never claimed that in public. On the contrary--she's only ever defended Dorit as thinking she was doing the right thing.  It's the viewers (some LVP fans, some not) who have called Dorit a dog dumper. I know because I'm one of them. If you give a dog to someone whose name you don't even know, you're dumping a dog. There's no grey area there. It's straight up irresponsible. 

That's the problem with PuppyGate. The whole thing is about Dorit and co. saying Lisa leaked this story , (that Dorit dumped the dog), to the press. But the only thing Lisa has said to the press is that she believes Dorit thought she was giving Lucy to a good home.  That's why it's so stupid for Dorit to believe it when there's evidence to the contrary right in front of her face.

[RHJunkie]

27 minutes ago, nexxie said:

In the After Show videos, LVP went silent when asked if VPD fined Dorit, and Dorit said she didn’t know if she signed a contract. Where is the contract, and why was there no fine? There may have been a contract - but Lisa knows she approved the dog placement by phone the next day.

Dorit also acknowledged that she hadn't thoroughly reviewed the contract. So what does it mean to me that Dorit can't recall signing a contract? Absolutely nothing.

Dorit did take a dog though so either way, I see LVP's silence as her measuring the situation because either way, the question is putting the onus on her to answer for her decisions as the owner of the Centre. Friend or not, Dorit took a dog home so if Dorit wasn't made to sign a contract, that's irresponsible on VPD's part. On the flipside, if there was a contract, there's no way Dorit complied with the stipulations in the contract and so friend or not, the penalty should have applied, ESPECIALLY in light of the fact that the dog ended up at a different shelter, therefore, turns out that Dorit's assurances in that phone call were bullshit. 

As for the approval - unless the contract stipulated that the Centre had to be notified within x amount of days of giving the pet away to someone else, Dorit violated the contract and could still be legally liable to pay the penalty. And all that said, in no sense of the word was there an "approval".  An approval requires prior consent. Giving the dog away and then telling LVP about is not seeking permission or approval, it is simply an act of notifying. LVP could either accept the information provided by Dorit as being the truth and that the dog was in a good home or she could raise hell and demand the dog be returned. She chose to accept the work Dorit had done to find the dog a new home and left it alone up until the point where the dog ended up in another person's shelter. 

Edited May 1, 2019 by RHJunkie

[byrd]

2 hours ago, Giselle said:

With LVP it's always, always, always a coincidence.

She reminds me of the English "House of Cards" Francis Urquhart's most famous line. After manipulations and planting stories he would always always say "You might think that, but I couldn't possibly say."  with us and him knowing full well he was behind it.

It's finally catching up with her. 

if it looks like a duck....

Wait on it...nothing catching LVP, she'll fly above it,  under it, around it,  beside it  , and still come through it..lol !!