S09.E12: The Ultimate Ultimatum

[njbchlover]

13 minutes ago, walnutqueen said:

THE LIES!  THE LIES!  THE LIES!

How many versions of the story can Dorito tell without including the fact that she dumped the dog (either at a shelter or to a virtual stranger)?

So now, this woman, who originally "worked for PK" or some other such thing, just appeared out of nowhere, like Lucy's fairy godmother, to take her to a home full of love and luxury??  And, then, the clock struck midnight, Lucy's fairy godmother disappeared into thin air while frolicking on the doggy beach, Lucy's "doggy stroller" turned back into a pumpkin and Lucy was turned back into "Lucinderella" and  was sent to a life of a shelter dog, all the while, waiting for her Prince Charming-Sessa to come to her rescue????  

Give me a fucking break already - this story gets more and more ridiculous!!  

Edited May 1, 2019 by njbchlover

[babykin]

4 minutes ago, Fl Mom said:

Putting aside everything else, the entire debacle was Dorit's fault.

100000%. Here's what I don't get...these women keep explaining and saying "there's so much more" that we the audience aren't seeing, and JUST WAIT. Well here we are.

What aren't we seeing? We know Dorit dumped 2 dogs. It's all VDP's fault and they basically FORCED her to get the second dog.  <eyeroll> Still don't think that. I think they're all insane.

Watching Kyle and Teddi walk? Like watching paint dry. Rinna adds nothing for me. Erika is paying a shitload of good money for her vanity project that is her life. They killed this franchise.

[hoodooznoodooz]

That argument was better than I predicted it’d be.

Kenny (hee, hee!) is fiercely loyal to LVP.

PK disagrees with D’oh!rit, uses a disapproving tone. 

Was LVP using a knife and fork on her sashimi?

I enjoy when D’oh!rit loses her temper. It’s much more entertaining than when she just acts shocked and hurt.

[njbchlover]

25 minutes ago, charming said:

Now she's basically saying she never wanted either of the dogs but was pressured into getting them and were lied to about the dogs behavior? 

Just can't take responsibility for a damn thing. 

Dorit's kids are what - 5 and 2?  How can two little kids pressure you into getting a dog?  I get wanting to give your kids what they want, but seriously?  That's a load of nonsense - you, as a parent, can tell your kids that age "no" and they will move on to the next thing in a few hours.  

I'm still convinced that Dorit wanted to garner favor with LVP (OR - PK did), so that's why they adopted from Vanderpump Dogs.  When Maddie and Lucy didn't turn out to be the perfect "accessory" dog, the Kemsleys got tired of them and didn't want them anymore.  

If either of those dogs had bitten her children, why wasn't Dorit more angry about it or more outraged in this after show clip?  She seemed so rehearsed and controlled and basically, more upset over the fact that she feels she did nothing wrong than the fact that her kids were "bitten".

Edited May 1, 2019 by njbchlover

[newms]

Attachment parenting is supposed to be a branch of attachment theory: where one learns how to form secure attachments with themselves and others in relationships. Insecure attachments stem from improper caregiving from the parent to the child as the child is developing. It can lead to mild to severe emotional and psychological issues in adulthood. Attachment parenting is supposed to be about creating secure attachments with your kids. 

Kyle is not doing that. She can’t do that until she fixes her own attachment issues, I’m guessing would be anxious/ambivalent. She thinks she’s creating secure attachment but is actually creating more insecure attached kids. 

Im studying trauma somatic psychotherapy in case anyone is wondering. 

[izabella]

9 minutes ago, babykin said:

100000%. Here's what I don't get...these women keep explaining and saying "there's so much more" that we the audience aren't seeing, and JUST WAIT. Well here we are.

What aren't we seeing? We know Dorit dumped 2 dogs.

The only thing I have learned is when they say wait and see, or there's more and you'll see later, and keep watching and you'll see, there is NEVER anything more to see.  It's just a trick to keep people watching.

[UsernameFatigue]

I can't see the video posted above, but 12 episodes in and I have not changed my mind that the person most responsible for the Lucy debacle is LVP, who should have known better than to adopt out any dog (let alone two) to PK and Dorito. Not letting Dorito off the hook, but if LVP had the best interests of the dogs in mind they would have never gone to people who cannot raise their own children without a gaggle of nannies. 

I also call B.S. on LVP saying she has never lied before. Insert eye roll here. Not to mention it was OTT to not only insist that she didn't give the story to Radar (which I still think is quite possible she did) but to insist that no one in her camp did either. She does not control every other person in her life, as much as she might think she does. 

Kyle insisting that people know all of their close friends' friends is ridiculous. And again not to defend Dorito and PK, but it was actually LVP who suggested the Kemsleys as additions to the show. 

I find Kyle's parenting to be disturbing. When your child sleeps in your bed at the age of ten, it is not for the child, it is for the parent. Sad. I cannot imagine at the age of 10 having woken up every morning with my mother, let alone my father. WTF is she thinking? And I was not the least bit impressed with one (or more) of the older daughters laughing at the dog who had escaped into the street. Personally I would have been running to find it, worried that it might be hit by a car. They seemed totally unconcerned. Morons. 

[renatae]

Apparently, the new definition of being honest and "true to yourself" is not giving your supposed great friend the benefit of the doubt regarding something about which you have absolutely no proof. All that's needed is a consensus of opinion in a group in which several people want to see her eviscerated. Beyond that, she is expected to confess to something she vehemently denies so you can "move on."

I think I'm in the wrong universe.

Edited May 1, 2019 by renatae

[Giselle]

1 hour ago, missyb said:

More details about lucy lucy apple juicy:

https://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-beverly-hills/season-9/episode-12/videos/dorit-kemsley-reveals-a-surprising

Not sure where to put it !

Thank you so much for posting this.

Mmmmm.....Interesting.

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6 hours ago, dosodog said:

I was succeeding in keeping my judgemental opinions under control through out all of it.

And then she put the socks on her.

There's mothering and there's smothering.

It’s no wonder Portia is a snotty lil brat. Kids sleeping in the bed with you until the age of 10 is weird. 

Also, If you need to call your daughter who is away at college three times a day--you need a hobby. 

Edited May 1, 2019 by Barbara Please

[Dutchgirl]

3 hours ago, Straycat80 said:

I want to live at Denise’s house. Beautiful view! 

So does she. It's just a rental for the show.

https://www.hgtv.ca/real-estate/photos/real-housewives-star-denise-richards-renting-malibu-house-1923144/

[renatae]

3 hours ago, eleanorofaquitaine said:

I don't particularly like Dorit but she is so right that it is ridiculous that LVP and Ken are insisting that she not believe something she believes. "Friends" who try to control you aren't your "friends."   

Lisa specifically said, and Ken agreed, that she didn't see why anyone who thought she was such a liar and backstabber would want to be her friend.

Dorit's choice was to maintain Lisa had betrayed her.

Lisa's choice was that she didn't want to remain friends with someone who thought she was such a backstabber.

No control; just choices.

[DivaLasVegas82]

This was an extremely boring episode.

Erika was completely right when she said LVP isn’t thinking about any of these women, yet they can’t stop talking about her.

[izabella]

While they were bitching and moaning at their dinner, LVP was dancing at her club.  I hope she had some Indian food for the celebration. 

[MrsWitter]

3 hours ago, BloggerAloud said:

I think the greater point is that if Dorit chooses to believe that, why should LVP be friends with her? And to LVP's point, why would Dorit want to be friends with LVP if she thinks that LVP is a liar and planted the story? Like saying, "I think you're lying and had something to do with BUT let's move on from this" seems like an insane statement to make, if only because why would you ever want to be friends with that person if you truly believe that.

I completely agree with you (and LVP and Ken) and it confused me when Kyle said something similar in the kitchen. But then I remembered that Kyle is friends with Lori Loughlin. Kyle’s tagline next season:

”In Beverly Hills, to lie is human, to forgive divine.”

[Miss Slay]

1 hour ago, KungFuBunny said:

Kyle had a valid point though.

LVP and Ken have been on this show for 10 years? Not once have we seen a shot of Dorit & PK in the background of any of these parties they've been together since 2009 or earlier. Or even just PK if according to Dorit , PK's friendship goes back 30 years.

I have to disagree. Kyle's comments scream of someone who lives in the same city they grew up in. Of course, all her friends would know each other, they probably still live in LA.

Lisa and Ken had a whole life in England and then France before moving to Los Angeles. I doubt Kyle would know ALL of their friends - especially if they live in another country!

I believe PK and Lisa are good friends but probably lived in different countries for many years - which changes how often you see people. But now that they live in the same city again - they probably see each other more. Kyle seems threatened by PK's friendship with Lisa and Ken.

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7 minutes ago, Miss Slay said:

I have to disagree. Kyle's comments scream of someone who lives in the same city they grew up in. Of course, all her friends would know each other, they probably still live in LA.

Lisa and Ken had a whole life in England and then France before moving to Los Angeles. I doubt Kyle would know ALL of their friends - especially if they live in another country!

I believe PK and Lisa are good friends but probably lived in different countries for many years - which changes how often you see people. But now that they live in the same city again - they probably see each other more. Kyle seems threatened by PK's friendship with Lisa and Ken.

Kyle also forgot who Nanny K was, and she was very important to Lisa, and lived with LVP and Ken. So basically...Kyle is an idiot. 

[renatae]

3 hours ago, KungFuBunny said:

Is Alligator arms better?

LOL.

It's the way she holds them that is weird to me. She holds them in front of her with the fingers pointed towards each other, almost always in the exact same position. It wouldn't seem so strange to me if she changed the position frequently.

Edited May 1, 2019 by renatae

[Giselle]

2 hours ago, PhilMarlowe2 said:

Maybe I am jaded, but I don't think swearing on your kids' life necessarily means all that much. Just last week, Ramona swore on Avery's life and the editors promptly cut to reveal that she was, in fact, lying.

Well you have to believe LVP. Not only did she swear on her kids lives on the show but in the Bravo after show link she's clutching the cross saying she's a god fearing woman you should be questioning the others.

Only the most honest women would do that. 

Please.

[RealHousewife]

Regarding lying, I think there are fibs and then there are serious lies. I think once LVP lied about not being available for an event (I think Kim's daughter's graduation) because she had just flown back from somewhere and went to one of her restaurants. She was probably exhausted and didn't want to shoot. Big whoop. Now if my friend planted a nasty story about me, entirely different. It is really weird for Dorit to still want Lisa's friendship, unless she thinks it was someone in Lisa's camp, not Lisa herself. 

[Marley]

Lisa’s Indian party was embarrassing to see. John Sessa can go away. Nobody cares about him.

If Lisa isn’t gonna film with them then it’s time to go. The show will go on and drama will happen. She isn’t the whole show. Isolating herself is annoying and not fun to watch. I have always enjoyed her but she’s playing the victim too much here. Ken needs to chill before he has a jammer too. Like honestly LVP has never lied and is the most honest woman ever?  Come on what a crock of shit. Everyone lies a bit in there life. Anyways I just don’t want to watch another conversation about the dog. Pls move on!

[missyb]

37 minutes ago, MrsWitter said:

I completely agree with you (and LVP and Ken) and it confused me when Kyle said something similar in the kitchen. But then I remembered that Kyle is friends with Lori Loughlin. Kyle’s tagline next season:

”In Beverly Hills, to lie is human, to forgive divine.”

I really dont understand Kyle's tagline. In Beverly Hills the truth is always carefully buried for as long as possible. No one cares about the truth in Beverly Hills.

[CrinkleCutCat]

That poor interior designer, Matt, who worked on Dorit’s Beverly Beach office.... I hope he realises he won’t be getting paid.

Dorit: “There’s that loving part of me that wants to make things right [with Lisa] but I’m not going to sacrifice my integrity to do that.” Ha ha ha ha, I don’t believe Dorit has an ounce of integrity in her body!

Dorit is probably going to lose her nose to spite her face, as the old saying goes. Digging her heels in, when even PK tells her she’s gone too far, will be more likely to have a negative consequence for her rather than Lisa. The producers would keep Lisa over her everyday of the week.

Edited May 1, 2019 by CrinkleCutCat

[athousandclowns]

i deleted  last weeks show 10 minutes in and half ass watching tonight but the  daughter sleeping with them is creepy and the breakfast delivered to her room and  putting her socks on is ridiculous.   

I am really tired of Dorit’sb made up accent and think Kyle is a bitch and such a phony.  Can someone tell me why Mauricio can’t clip is own toenails. I used have to be the other side of the house when my husband clipped. 

I did  chuckle when Camille was blathering on at the lunch with Teddy after the martini. 

Very interesting newms thanks for explanation ,I’m glad my formative mothering responsibilities are behind me. Spoiling grandkids is a breeze. 

[MsTree]

2 hours ago, Barbara Please said:

It’s no wonder Portia is a snotty lil brat. Kids sleeping in the bed with you until the age of 10 is weird. 

Also, If need to call your daughter who is away at college three times a day--you need a hobby. 

Besides the carrying & sock dressing, does Portia also get to witness her parents having sex?  Because unless Kyle & Maurico are doing mime fucking, there's no way the brat isn't getting an education while sharing their bed.

Edited May 1, 2019 by MsTree

[Giselle]

I hope that stone business owner added a few extra thousand to the price of that stone for cleanup. 

Fucking rat dog.

[walnutqueen]

Delusional Dorit thinks she and Lisa "have history".  No, ya fuckin dimwit, Lisa and PeeKay have history - you're just a recent and unnecessary accessory. And - news flash - accessory to a grifting boiled ham is not a claim to fame.  Neither is your phony Beverly Beach office when you can't even pay your initial investor.

Also, Lisa is not holding a grudge about you calling her needy, Dorit.  She's not even holding a grudge about you dumping a puppy. She's holding a fucking grudge about you calling her a liar.

[Giselle]

I hate feet. The only ones I've touched besides my own were my ill parents when they were incapable of doing it, and my husband's after knee surgery when one kept catching the sheet. You do what you need to do to help someone.

I hate feet.

There is nothing wrong with Kyle clipping her husband's toes and his feet were not as bad as what was made out to be here. No toenail fungus, no athletes foot, no crusty skin that I could see. That being said he should be able to clip them himself, he's not infirm.

Really is it worse than changing a shitty diaper, popping pus filled zits, pulling out a bloody tampon, and the gross stuff  we do for our pets? She was clipping his damn toes. 

[CrinkleCutCat]

11 minutes ago, walnutqueen said:

Delusional Dorit thinks she and Lisa "have history".  No, ya fuckin dimwit, Lisa and PeeKay have history - you're just a recent and unnecessary accessory. And - news flash - accessory to a grifting boiled ham is not a claim to fame.  Neither is your phony Beverly Beach office when you can't even pay your initial investor.

Also, Lisa is not holding a grudge about you calling her needy, Dorit.  She's not even holding a grudge about you dumping a puppy. She's holding a fucking grudge about you calling her a liar.

Exactamondo!!!! [made up word!]

[Rosebud1970]

Not to be shallow (but I will be), I have the exact shirt that Kyle is wearing in her holiday photo.

Does this mean I'm famous?  Almost famous? Had a near miss with fame?

[MrsWitter]

6 hours ago, chenoa333 said:

Can we get Camille to host another dinner for the ladies with Alison DuBois as a guest? 😁

I am so with you on this. In fact, I would love for Alison DuBois to host the reunion, where she will be able to KNOW when the women are lying and tell all of us who (1) sold the story to ROL and (2) Dumped Lucy at the shelter.

6 hours ago, RealHousewife said:

I know Kyle may seem too much, but when many women in her position would have nannies, and there are so many "regular" parents who don't care what their kids eat, make them be little adults as soon as possible, want them out at 18, or raise kids who end up in all kinds of trouble, I can't personally knock her parenting style. All her kids seem to be doing well, and that is saying something since they are Hollywood kids. They could have ended up like their cousins or the Kardashians, but her girls have had no scandals and go to school. I love how close her family is, and if I were to pick a RH mommy, I'd pick Kyle. 

4 hours ago, newms said:

Attachment parenting is supposed to be a branch of attachment theory: where one learns how to form secure attachments with themselves and others in relationships. Insecure attachments stem from improper caregiving from the parent to the child as the child is developing. It can lead to mild to severe emotional and psychological issues in adulthood. Attachment parenting is supposed to be about creating secure attachments with your kids. 

Kyle is not doing that. She can’t do that until she fixes her own attachment issues, I’m guessing would be anxious/ambivalent. She thinks she’s creating secure attachment but is actually creating more insecure attached kids. 

Im studying trauma somatic psychotherapy in case anyone is wondering. 

Kyle does seem to really care for her children and they seem to be a close-knit family. They seem to all love each other dearly and that is admirable. But her helicopter-parenting overwhelms me and I think much of her parenting style is borne out of her anxiety. I struggle with GAD, so I understand a little bit what could be going on in Kyle’s mind, but she needs to STOP projecting her anxieties and fears onto every experience. 

When she started out at the trail with Teddi, she comments on how they could be killed! And, the stupid fight from last week started with more of Kyle’s projected anxiety- harassing Boy George about whether he’s afraid random people want to hurt him when he’s on stage. When PK said Kyle was just worried because she can’t even get along with her best friend, I was screaming: “No, PK. It’s about her anxiety.” In many ways I think the emotion and state of being that most fully guide her actions and behaviors on this show and, I assume, IRL, are anxiety and panic. I know Kyle loves her kids and they love her, but I do wish anxiety weren’t the seeming undergird of her parenting philosophy.

[walnutqueen]

53 minutes ago, Rosebud1970 said:

Not to be shallow (but I will be), I have the exact shirt that Kyle is wearing in her holiday photo.

Does this mean I'm famous?  Almost famous? Had a near miss with fame?

No, but it probably does mean you wore it better.

[HadleyFields]

I have never liked Dorit and I still don't like her.  I've never had a real problem with LVP other than finding the Queen Bee act OTT.  Obviously Dorit handled the shelter dog situation badly, but LVP made it a storyline to expose Dorit.  Teddi saw right through the set-up and all of the women believe Lisa orchestrated the leak.  The ROL and TMZ stories are tidy ways to try and close the storyline up and have LVP look like Dorit's BFF and Teddi as the villian, but it seems to have backfired on Lisa with the cast.  I'm surprised that public opinion seems to lean to favoring LVP.  

[Chit Chat]

8 hours ago, TenaciousWarrior said:

Ken and LisaV sound like members of the mafia laying out their “rules” for resuming the friendship.

Trust is a fundamental basis for a friendship.  If Dorit doesn't trust LVP and believes that she is a liar, then what kind of friendship can they have? Asking someone not to call you a liar isn't such a terrible thing!

[Chit Chat]

8 hours ago, BloggerAloud said:

Wasn't the point of that whole stupid toenails thing was the audio to be implying they were having some sort of sexual relation and the gag being she was clipping his toes? A stupid, sitcom-y device.

Yes. That's what they did to LVP last week when she was talking to her dog.   The camera crew are trying to hard to make things "sexy."  Blech. 

[Chit Chat]

4 hours ago, Giselle said:

I hope that stone business owner added a few extra thousand to the price of that stone for cleanup. 

I rewound that scene.  The dog didn't even hike his leg that high!  It appeared that he just left a puddle on the ground.  I don't think it got the marble.  Having said that though, I do find it rude to let one's dog run around a business like that.  I see people do this at Lowes (garden center, usually) and that's not the place for non-service type of dogs.

Sorry for the 3 separate posts!  I'm having trouble with posting this morning.  Ugh.

Edited May 1, 2019 by ChitChat

[SweetieDarling]

9 hours ago, tranquilidade said:

I’m trying to make happy memories!     .......bossing everyone around and faking a smile after violently cutting toenails of said husband.  She thinks life is the tv show.

That whole scene was so weird to me, like she was auditioning the zany, madcap misadventures of the Umansky family for a future spinoff, and/or to show us she now has a gate at the end of her driveway.

Edited May 1, 2019 by SweetieDarling

[SweetieDarling]

At the opposite end of the Umansky's Attachment Parenting spectrum are the Kemsleys. The kids barely batted an eyelash when PK showed up at Dorit's new office space. No shrieking "Daddy!" or running up to greet him with hugs like normal toddlers, not that he made any effort either, but,...

[TattleTeeny]

2 hours ago, HadleyFields said:

I have never liked Dorit and I still don't like her.  I've never had a real problem with LVP other than finding the Queen Bee act OTT.  Obviously Dorit handled the shelter dog situation badly, but LVP made it a storyline to expose Dorit.  Teddi saw right through the set-up and all of the women believe Lisa orchestrated the leak.  The ROL and TMZ stories are tidy ways to try and close the storyline up and have LVP look like Dorit's BFF and Teddi as the villian, but it seems to have backfired on Lisa with the cast.  I'm surprised that public opinion seems to lean to favoring LVP.  

But if Teddi saw right through this supposed plot against Dorit, she's a bitch for gladly accepting a role in it before changing her mind. And is there proof that Lisa leaked anything? There's not and Lisa's issue with Dorit is that Dorit won't even consider that her supposedly beloved friend wasn't behind it. Like Lisa said, if you think someone did this shit to you, why would you even want to remain friends after prying a confession out of her? 

Further (and this might be the true-crime part of me butting in), Dorit doesn't care about the truth; she cares about closing the case with a confession. If one refuses to move on until she gets a nothing less than solid "I did it" from the suspect, then she is not really concerned with what actually happened, she's concerned with winning.

Edited May 1, 2019 by TattleTeeny

[Lady of nod]

9 hours ago, goofygirl said:

Dorito's fatal mistake is her refusal to ADMIT SHE THREW AWAY A DOG!

But Dorit has to speak her truth, as she stated a hundred times in the meet with LVP and Ken! Hahahahaha. Dorit wouldn't see the truth if it bit her in the ass.

[nexxie]

8 hours ago, Fl Mom said:

Not necessarily.  If someone thought I'd swear on my kids lives that I hadn't done something, I'd expect my real friends to believe me.

As someone else posted, Ramona swore on Avery’s life and producers aired the lie - for some people (especially liars and narcissists) saying that means nothing.

[QQQQ]

9 hours ago, Kiki777 said:

Damn I'm gonna make egg-in-the-hole tomorrow.

Is this a euphemism for Dorit and PK having sex?

[Choco9]

I do not think LVP has been smart with many of her actions/reactions lately but I am also not sure I would want to be friends with a person who is telling me to my face that I am lying if I'm not.  Dorit is such a POS that I wouldn't be missing the friendship, really.  

Portia is 10 and doesn't sleep in her own bed or put on her own socks but she is doing full-face makeup and getting breakfast in bed.  Good lord, Kyle, stop worrying about your stupid friendships and figure out your own household.  

Rinna could not be more transparent in her love of this LVP takedown.  I really am starting to believe she planted the story.  Everything points to it and her incessant asking about the matter is just pathetic at this point.

Maybe this goes in Unpopular Opinions, but I don't think Denise's husband is that into her.  She is overcompensating on the "hanky panky" talk, too.

[Keywestclubkid]

Not a good episode for Camille lol girl talking about others being mean girls while being a mean girl yourself is hilarious..... I hate hate hate PK he is a slime ball and opportunist back your wife don't give her an ultimatum. When someone swears on their kid you have to accept it? No you don't people fucking lie all the time what does swearing on someones life prove?? NOTHING... And its funny how Dorit keeps saying Pk and Lisa are best of friends and then get called out for no one hearing of them up until she came on the show EVER in the time they have known Lisa..... Its a different kind of best friend? One that they NEVER spoke of ever or got invited to parties or events or ANYTHING? come on Dorit stop... I Lived for Erika this episode in her talking head "These bitches are still fighting over a friendship with Lisa?" Do they think shes at home worried about them? YESSSSS girl YESSS   

Edited May 1, 2019 by Keywestclubkid

[Sharonana]

2 hours ago, HadleyFields said:

I have never liked Dorit and I still don't like her.  I've never had a real problem with LVP other than finding the Queen Bee act OTT.  Obviously Dorit handled the shelter dog situation badly, but LVP made it a storyline to expose Dorit.  Teddi saw right through the set-up and all of the women believe Lisa orchestrated the leak.  The ROL and TMZ stories are tidy ways to try and close the storyline up and have LVP look like Dorit's BFF and Teddi as the villian, but it seems to have backfired on Lisa with the cast.  I'm surprised that public opinion seems to lean to favoring LVP.  

🙌🙌🙌

[BluBrd47]

Kyle’s oldest daughter Farrah has always given off serious bitch vibes to me. Does the girl ever smile?

Edited May 1, 2019 by BluBrd47

[Higgins]

10 hours ago, Reality police said:

I have always thought that Kyle is a great mom. This season I have some issues with that. She does need to teach them some independence or they will have some rough awakenings in the future. All children need some responsibilities to mature. 

Portia is a brat. That's on Kyle.

[byrd]

12 hours ago, Straycat80 said:

Now they are going to bitch about the dumb PK joke for the rest of this season. I think I  prefer puppygate over that. 

The only reason it's an issue is because Kyle is feeling the guilt as she should.

[dosodog]

9 hours ago, missyb said:

More details about lucy lucy apple juicy:

https://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-beverly-hills/season-9/episode-12/videos/dorit-kemsley-reveals-a-surprising

Not sure where to put it !

Dorit outed one of her "many trainers" in this video.  Oprah swears by her!

I'm going to have to watch again to get the trainer's name.  And then I'm going to visit her Twitter feed. 

Dorit spent 3 hours with the trainer.  Thank you Dorit for proving one of my opinions right:  That you underestimated the amount of time training a dog properly.

Ericka.  Her facial expressions were hilarious throughout the whole thing.  

[Jel]

I'm in Canada and can't see that video because of the stupid CRTC, and my google fu is failing me. Would someone who has watched it please let us Canadians know what the new puppy gate stuff (that involves Giggy) is?