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As Elizabeth prepares to leave the State department and announce her run for president, anti-globalist terrorists attack the U.N. delegation in Geneva.

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Forget the kids; I think the staff should be checking for potentially embarrassing incidents in Will's background.

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So. More ripped-and-reconfigured plots from headlines (see also the media thread), including a version of Benghazi turned on it's head because it's ricin instead of guns, and Madam Secretary is removed from the epicenter. And then Callister is a cardboard cutout in comparison to other nationalists on the national (and international) scene. 
I like the MSec version of the world better.

Moral of the story: If one loses one's lucky charm, one should not go to a banquet?

Complaint to the director: Too much use of smiles to indicate state of mind (Bess and Henry when thinking of announcing, thinking of vacationing, announcing).
IDK. I guess it was supposed to make Bess's last smiles seem sincere?

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Well, I'm out.

Which is easy to say, because the show is essentially done, but even if they continue with Madam President, I'm out.  The stench of bullshit has been at an incredible level for a while, but now it's piling up so high it will soon reach my nostrils and interfere with my ability to breath.

Pity -- I really used to love this show.

I will leave with one final comment:  Stevie, bang his balls off!

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3 hours ago, shapeshifter said:

So. More ripped-and-reconfigured plots from headlines (see also the media thread), including a version of Benghazi turned on it's head because it's ricin instead of guns, and Madam Secretary is removed from the epicenter. And then Callister is a cardboard cutout in comparison to other nationalists on the national (and international) scene. 
I like the MSec version of the world better.

Moral of the story: If one loses one's lucky charm, one should not go to a banquet?

Complaint to the director: Too much use of smiles to indicate state of mind (Bess and Henry when thinking of announcing, thinking of vacationing, announcing).
IDK. I guess it was supposed to make Bess's last smiles seem sincere?

I mean, sure, this universe is more appealing politically, but look at some of the other stuff in it - clearly, climate change is progressing much more rapidly in its universe - the island nation of Nauru was destroyed. Another horrible thing in this universe? In addition, the intelligence communities in this universe are *horrible* at their jobs - see: the sarin attack in this episode, the white house being attacked in an earlier episode, the nuclear attack in DC last season (was it last season?), the first secretary of state being assassinated, and those are just the ones that I recall at this moment.

This was a good episode, but I am worried about what next season might be - I am guessing they will get through the election relatively quickly, since a whole season of election might be a rough one.

 

3 hours ago, Kleav said:

Forget the kids; I think the staff should be checking for potentially embarrassing incidents in Will's background.

They probably wanted to go with the easy ones first 😛

Since Noodle was just some minor stuff, Jason just needs to up his social media security settings and not yell his political leanings from the rooftops, and they just needed to get a list of all of Stevie's relationships.

Also, Blake-Stevie is the relationship (platonic or otherwise) I never knew I wanted.

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Blake and Stevie?

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It was out of nowhere, and I hated it, so thank you, show, but no.

Jason and Mike continue to be horrible, no surprise there.

When they suddenly gave Harriman so much screen time, I sort of assumed he was toast.  What a pat way to get rid of Trump Callister.  If only real life were so convenient.

I hope Elizabeth wins (obviously), and I may be left hoping given how likely it is that the show won't get picked up.😕

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Poor Harriman.  As soon as he started eulogizing RFK, I knew he was dead. 

I loved Russell - "That's pretty cold blooded, even for me."

Jason is the one going to get an education during this campaign.  If he thinks he's going to hide behind the family front door while posting his opinions, oh boy is he wrong.  His twitter account is going to blow up on him and every commentator from early news to late night is going to take him to task.  He's an adult so they won't even grant him that immunity.  For that matter, all the kids will have paparazzi following them everywhere now. 

Conrad was right to reject Elizabeth's request to stay on board.  I thought for a moment they were going to continue on that line, but, in retrospect, she would have lost serious credibility by pulling out, and then getting back in at a later date.

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10 hours ago, Kleav said:

Forget the kids; I think the staff should be checking for potentially embarrassing incidents in Will's background.

Don't most POTUSes have an embarrassing sibling? Except when POTUS *is* the embarrassing sibling, of course.

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But Harriman was one of the best characters on the show. I was pissed when he died. 

I realize that they're trying to draw a line from the real world, but instead of making me think, it just makes me irrationally angry. 

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4 hours ago, Loves2Dance said:

But Harriman was one of the best characters on the show. I was pissed when he died. 

I realize that they're trying to draw a line from the real world, but instead of making me think, it just makes me irrationally angry. 

And Skipp Suddeth is such a good actor...losing him is a blow. I have actually known Tracee Chimo for years (since she was appearing in off-off short plays) and am THRILLED to see her as Nina. If the show is picked up, they have to find a way to bring her back!

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When Harriman took out his RFK button, I saw it as a "red shirt" moment, like in the old Star Trek series. When he called it his good luck charm, that clinched it. And he was indeed gone before the opening credits.

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Tell me I wasn't imagining this...I saw an on "our next episode " promo at least twice, where Bess (She's not MSec anymore), discusses how she LOST Iowa to the schmoe who they just had withdraw from the race. What was THAT all about? was it a joke or something?

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1 hour ago, MerBearHou said:

I’ve loved this show since Day One, warts and all.  But I do not want it to veer into Callister=Trump commentary.  Second note is that I love Tea Leoni when she’s on her game but every once in awhile, her manner of speech becomes a little slurred, marbles-in-mouth and it drives me nuts when she does so.  Keep it crisp, Tea.  I was very moved when she gave her announcement on the Virginia farm.  I hope we get another season to see where things go.  Stevie and Blake — what??!!  

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I love this show! I like the AU they have created and I love the blatant digs at real life. Except I agree with the poster above that in their AU world the environment seems even worse than our world.

Conrad did the right thing to reject her resignation. They have always been able to push the other person into the right direction throughout the course of their time working together. I have always loved this friendship and I felt like there was closure from the very first call he made to her in S1 to her running for President in S5.

Is there news of it getting cancelled? Why is everyone commenting on this? It is freaking me out!

I have really enjoyed most of this season and although I will miss this show terribly (it's my favourite show on TV) I did like how it ended with Bess formally launching her campaign. I would love to see her become Madam President but it still feels fairly complete if it had to end here. I think the writers did a really good job. Everyone's story feels complete and I felt like I was able to get a feel for where they will move on with their lives so if it has to end here, it's a pretty decent place to end.

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4 hours ago, Mellowyellow said:

Is there news of it getting cancelled? Why is everyone commenting on this? It is freaking me out!

I saw an article online in the last few days re CBS renewals and it said that Madam Secretary was on the bubble for renewal - indicated less than a sure thing.  I do hope it gets another season at least!

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So, the next obvious question is, who replaces her as SoS?  Did they make mention of an Undersecretary, or is Dalton going to appoint one, or both?  I vote for Russell.  They can always find another CoS, and I would love to see him jousting with the various ambassadors.

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1 hour ago, Dowel Jones said:

So, the next obvious question is, who replaces her as SoS?  Did they make mention of an Undersecretary, or is Dalton going to appoint one, or both?  I vote for Russell.  They can always find another CoS, and I would love to see him jousting with the various ambassadors.

Her replacement was named the week prior. I can't remember her name, but she was the black woman with Nina at the end of this episode. 

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5 hours ago, Loves2Dance said:

Her replacement was named the week prior. I can't remember her name, but she was the black woman with Nina at the end of this episode. 

Undersecretary Susan Thompson, from the Bureau of African Affairs. She appeared in Season 3's "The Dissent Memo" and "The Detour" as well. It was going to be Deputy Secretary Stephen Bailey, who hadn't appeared before, but he resigned after his harassment of female coworkers came to light.

I've been thinking for a long time that Stevie and Blake would make a cute couple. Actually, I expected it way back when Stevie was introduced. And then they danced at a party in a recent episode, though you could only see it in the background near the end.

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13 hours ago, MerBearHou said:

I saw an article online in the last few days re CBS renewals and it said that Madam Secretary was on the bubble for renewal - indicated less than a sure thing.  I do hope it gets another season at least!

TV By the Numbers has it on the bubble with Bull - https://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/renewcancel/cancel-bear-vs-cbs-week-26-2018-19/

I'm guessing Bull will be cancelled due to the bad press from what the lead actor did, and they'll keep MS for a shortened final season

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I haven't missed an episode of this show.  Love it and hope it's renewed BUT I do wish they'd produce a couple more episodes that have nothing to do with politics and the setting is different.  There was one a couple of seasons ago regarding the death of Henry's dad that I enjoyed.  (or was it Elizabeth's dad?)  I realize Madam Secretary is a story based on politics but I like the occasional departure. 

Let me add:  I liked the idea of Stevie and Blake.  Why not?

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Stevie and Blake...they actually are very much alike in personality, smart, focused, looking for a cause. I don't know if they would make a couple, but they definitely would make awesome friends. And Stevie was a boss, telling Blake & Daisy that they don't have the CLEARANCE to know about her last romance. (And reminding them that she does have White House clearance.) She's certainly grown up from the fumbling character in the first seasons. The fact that they've given her something to DO, rather than just match her with men helped a lot.

Allison remains the most level-headed (and so much less trouble that Mike B. can't even remember her name), and Jason is still an ass. I can see why he's so contrary, with such a powerful set of parents, but it would be nice to see him go TOWARD something rather than being rebel without a clue.

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This show has a very engaging cast which has kept me watching but I've gotten sick of being hit over the head with the topics.   At this point, if it ended, I'd be totally ok with that.   And no, no, no, to Stevie and Blake.  Friends, yes, but as lovers, no, no, & no.   I like how Stevie has "grown" over the years, but must they keep making her so ready to jump into bed with every guy who looks in her direction?   Booty Call - ew! 

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1 hour ago, 12catcrazy said:

 And no, no, no, to Stevie and Blake.  Friends, yes, but as lovers, no, no, & no.   I like how Stevie has "grown" over the years, but must they keep making her so ready to jump into bed with every guy who looks in her direction?   Booty Call - ew! 

It would be refreshing for them to be friends, but *sigh* doesn't the kiss mean that's impossible (on TV)?
So, if it must be Stake, how about a wedding in the series finale? The Bones wedding was surprisingly awesome.

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On 4/22/2019 at 6:36 AM, Driad said:

Don't most POTUSes have an embarrassing sibling? Except when POTUS *is* the embarrassing sibling, of course.

Heh!  Best comment of the night!

On 4/23/2019 at 10:32 AM, MerBearHou said:

I saw an article online in the last few days re CBS renewals and it said that Madam Secretary was on the bubble for renewal - indicated less than a sure thing.  I do hope it gets another season at least!

I think I'd be fine if next season was the last and we could finish up with EM getting inaugurated.

9 hours ago, 12catcrazy said:

This show has a very engaging cast which has kept me watching but I've gotten sick of being hit over the head with the topics.   At this point, if it ended, I'd be totally ok with that.   And no, no, no, to Stevie and Blake.  Friends, yes, but as lovers, no, no, & no.   I like how Stevie has "grown" over the years, but must they keep making her so ready to jump into bed with every guy who looks in her direction?   Booty Call - ew! 

Yeah, I'm a 10 no on that relationship, though it would continue Stevie's unblemished record of awful relationship choices, so there is that.  Who's left to conquer.....Mike b? Matt?

....and ceaser wept, for there were no more world's left to conquer...or something like that

*****I also want to commend the writers for toning Henry down in the last two episodes.  He was getting dangerously close to quoting acquinas tonight, but last episode was really just the right amount of Henry****

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I know they've replaced the Secretary of State, but it looks as if most of Elizabeth's senior staff are going to help run the campaign.  Who's left at State to assist the new SoS?

Also, what was the purpose of the writers making Blake bisexual and Kat bisexual and then neither has a storyline with a same sex partner, but with opposite sex partners.

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1 hour ago, buckboard said:

I know they've replaced the Secretary of State, but it looks as if most of Elizabeth's senior staff are going to help run the campaign.  Who's left at State to assist the new SoS?

Also, what was the purpose of the writers making Blake bisexual and Kat bisexual and then neither has a storyline with a same sex partner, but with opposite sex partners.

This is an interesting point I hadn't thought about before.  I imagine it's kind of the best of both worlds.  The show can have the appeal of inclusivity but still hold onto viewers who are more socially conservative.

Very interesting point though.

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4 hours ago, RealReality said:

This is an interesting point I hadn't thought about before.  I imagine it's kind of the best of both worlds.  The show can have the appeal of inclusivity but still hold onto viewers who are more socially conservative.

Very interesting point though.

There was actually an interesting study I read the other day that Deadline posted that the Lear Center for Media did on political alignment & TV shows - conservative TV watchers do not want to watch anything that might make them feel emotions they do not want to feel

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19 hours ago, buckboard said:

Also, what was the purpose of the writers making Blake bisexual and Kat bisexual and then neither has a storyline with a same sex partner, but with opposite sex partners.

THIS!!!!  I had been thinking the exact same thing!  

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I like the idea of Stevie & Blake just being friends.  Maybe my memory is not so good, but I thought several seasons ago, there was an episode where Blake was interested in a good looking young man who was into music and they went to dinner together, or something like that?  Or am I imagining that? 🙂

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On 4/22/2019 at 5:52 PM, Notwisconsin said:

Bess (She's not MSec anymore), discusses how she LOST Iowa to the schmoe who they just had withdraw from the race. What was THAT all about? was it a joke or something?

Didn't he say he was "suspending" his campagnin, which means he is free to reactivate it at any time? Not that many real-life politicians do; when they suspend a campaign, they are usually gone for good.

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Poor Harriman.  As soon as he started eulogizing RFK, I knew he was dead.

As soon as they opened the episode with him instead of someone from the main cast, I said, "Yep. He's a goner."

Too bad. He was an interesting character and Skip did a good job with it. I admit I may have gotten teary when Elizabeth's secretary started crying about the "absurdity" of her crying over him when he's the one who made her cry. That was a really sweet moment, and I like that Elizabeth hugged her.

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Side thought: I don't care if Blake and Stevie get together or not (they're cute as just friends), but I did like that Blake immediately confessed to Mike B. Blake's an honorable guy, and I really like him. I wish we saw more of his character more often. If his dating Stevie gets me that, I could live with it, I suppose. Then again, he might want to rethink that, especially after what happened with Dmitri. Guys don't last long, dating Stevie. 😉 I'd hate to see Blake exiled somewhere.

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6 hours ago, sinkwriter said:

Side thought: I don't care if Blake and Stevie get together or not (they're cute as just friends), but I did like that Blake immediately confessed to Mike B. Blake's an honorable guy, and I really like him. I wish we saw more of his character more often. If his dating Stevie gets me that, I could live with it, I suppose. Then again, he might want to rethink that, especially after what happened with Dmitri. Guys don't last long, dating Stevie. 😉 I'd hate to see Blake exiled somewhere.

I can totally see them getting together and Blake being suddenly awkward around Elizabeth.

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On 6/28/2019 at 6:56 PM, sinkwriter said:

I did like that Blake immediately confessed to Mike B.

And Mike B's response had me cracking up. "Oh, God. Awkward Confession Theater."

And then the follow-up - "Go forth and sin no more. Or sin. No one cares."

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