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15 minutes ago, shapeshifter said:

I'm hoping Pretzel did a Lassie and found Jess because Pretzel sensed Murphy was in trouble (or maybe Pretzel was hungry).

Is it terrible that when Nia was about to kill Murphy (and Felix and Max after), my immediate reaction was not to be upset about our gang being killed but to worry that Pretzel would starve to death in the apartment? (Yes, I am a dog person.)

18 minutes ago, shapeshifter said:

Or maybe Chloe was somehow involved (tricky since Jess tossed the cell phone, but there's Instagram etc.)

Maybe Facebook PM?

18 minutes ago, shapeshifter said:

Or, least favorite option: Dean decided to save Murphy's life, maybe for Chloe

No way, he has gone full evil.  

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24 minutes ago, Paloma said:

Is it terrible that when Nia was about to kill Murphy (and Felix and Max after), my immediate reaction was not to be upset about our gang being killed but to worry that Pretzel would starve to death in the apartment? (Yes, I am a dog person.)

🙂 me too, in fact I started watching this because of Pretzel.

Interesting insight from everyone about guide dogs; I always kinda thought that while off-duty (since he was home alone) his training wouldn’t come into play and it would be like a night off - he could chill out with a nice squeaky toy or something and just be a dog.  It is cute how much he loves Max. 

I’ll miss Nia.  Yes I get why she had to die but I liked the actress, she was a great villain.  I won’t miss Ben.  Haha.

Where is Darnell?  He’s my favorite (after Pretzel of course).  Now that Nia’s gone I hope he comes back.

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2 hours ago, Kiki777 said:

Where is Darnell?  He’s my favorite (after Pretzel of course).  Now that Nia’s gone I hope he comes back.

Be careful what you wish for. I have a sneaky suspicion he'll be very angry when he learns of Nia's death. I firmly believe Nia was his mother.

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I think the easy explanation of how Jess turned up at the bar is that she spotted the van outside the bar after coming back to town. Curious why the van would be there after hours, she heads towards the bar and sees Nia beating the crap out of Murphy.

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11 minutes ago, nilyank said:

I think the easy explanation of how Jess turned up at the bar is that she spotted the van outside the bar after coming back to town. Curious why the van would be there after hours, she heads towards the bar and sees Nia beating the crap out of Murphy.

And I guess we can fanwank several reasons why Jess providentially had her gun drawn (did we know she had a gun?) with all reasons leading back to that clip of Jess saying drug money laundering is dangerous (or something like that).

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20 hours ago, possibilities said:

I was disappointed that Gene wasn't a double agent, trying to catch Dean doing something that would lead to Dean's demise. Oh well. The chief should have had Dean escorted out, and they should have changed the passwords on his accounts, though. It's a police station with no security? You fired a guy who previously admitted to murder, not because of the murder but because he wasn't obedient enough, and then you let him wander around the office with no supervision after that??

It's hard to believe his union would let him leave like that anyway. The chief was probably trying to keep it quiet, since he tampered with evidence to keep Dean on the force. I also think he saw Dean as not having anything on Nia because the captain was (sorta) by the book.

On the other hand, Dean just went full evil. The first time he worked for Nia, he was putting cops in danger, but mostly feeding intel to keep her drug operation protected. This time, he basically wrote Murphy's (and Max's) death sentence along with selling out Gene. It turns out he's the foil, so he probably won't be dying. 

 

20 hours ago, possibilities said:

I thought Murphy was reaching for a gun she knew was stashed behind the bar, so I was surprised that she wasn't, and that she wasn't the one who killed Nia. But I liked that it gave Jess a chance to redeem herself.

I know what you mean, but it's still funny to think that Jess has to redeem herself. I mean, is she redeeming herself for not letting Nia die the first time or not wanting to be co-drug lord with Murphy?

 

5 hours ago, preeya said:

Be careful what you wish for. I have a sneaky suspicion he'll be very angry when he learns of Nia's death. I firmly believe Nia was his mother.

Darnell is Nia's brother. That's why she let him live. He might take over with her gone.

So, with all the bodies and screwed up meetings, this has skipped over Breaking Bad and landed in Sopranos territory. They're probably going to the Pine Barrens next week.

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11 minutes ago, ketose said:

So, with all the bodies and screwed up meetings, this has skipped over Breaking Bad and landed in Sopranos territory. They're probably going to the Pine Barrens next week.

LOL. I lived in Ocean County in the 1960s and early 1970s, when the Pine Barrens was a popular dumping ground for mobsters wanting to get rid of their victims' bodies. But I think we were more worried about the Jersey Devil that supposedly lived in the Pine Barrens. 

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16 hours ago, ketose said:

I know what you mean, but it's still funny to think that Jess has to redeem herself. I mean, is she redeeming herself for not letting Nia die the first time or not wanting to be co-drug lord with Murphy?

None of this would be happening if she hadn't convinced Felix to go out and find Nia's drug money. She literally started this whole thing and then ran away and left it to others to deal with.

As for the gun, I'm pretty sure it's Felix's that he gave to Ben when Ben took the heroin. He probably left it on some surface and Jess grabbed it.

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17 hours ago, ketose said:

Darnell is Nia's brother. That's why she let him live. He might take over with her gone.

That's what they led us to believe. In my mind, I believe he's her son, although I could be totally off base.

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On 6/18/2020 at 11:37 PM, preeya said:

It was so far-fetched, but I called it that Jess killed Nia. 

I was really glad that P.O.S. Ben OD'd and died.

Now someone needs to kill Scumbag Dean.

I thought it was going to be Dean that shot her. I was really surprised when I saw Jess.

Right there with being elated that finally Ben died. He really grated my cheese. I was waiting for a while for him to get his, couldn't stand that guy,especially when he started with the blackmail.  I don't necessarily want Dean to die,(for Chloe's sake) but he definitely deserves some comeuppance. He is a scumbag. 

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Wow that was intense!

Loved the 80's music in those last couple of scenes. 

Even though it doesn't make sense that Dean would kill Nia because then he wouldn't get his money, I totally thought it was going to be Dean that shot Nia. Was surprised to see Jess. I assume we're going to get some scenes next episode explaining how she got there. 

I wonder how Darnell will feel about this. He considers Murphy a friend (and Max of course) and is angry at Nia for having the love of his life killed... not saying he'll be fine with it but maybe he won't exactly be vengeful or anything. 

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"Bad People" is intense again + soap opera, with the title coming from the words Murphy offers up over a very shallow grave of, “I’m sorry. We’re not bad people.“

Other than a quick shoutout to Breaking Bad methods of using acid to dissolve dead bodies, none of this was realistic. And while Murphy’s miraculous recovery from what should have been death by internal bleeding with a grotesquely disfigured face is par for the TV course, it was pretty much all equally impossible. 

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Mom saw the car. She also thinks they'll be at a fundraiser. She'll probably tip off whoever asks her. Then again, you never know. She could have as much of a falsely innocuous facade as Dean did in Season 1. Also, they're driving around in a car they don't own. There are a million reasons they need to get rid of that vehicle.

I was worried about Pretzel all episode. Guess I was right.

I buried my cat in a deeper grave than they buried two humans.

I wonder where the drugs are, though. Did Ben stash them at his sister's place somewhere?

I admit that, despite all the unrealistic elements, I'm pulled into the emotional drama. I love that Murphy helped to dig, that no one let her get away with "I can't do this".

Sterling was probably as trapped as Jess, Felix, and Murphy were. I understand why they don't trust her or forgive her right now, but at some point I hope they do reflect on that a little.

 

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So what was the purpose of the scene with Gene coming to Dean's house drunk? Was it just a bit of comic relief, or is it possible that Gene was faking his drunkenness and using the visit as a way to investigate Dean? I know that is wishful thinking, but the whole thing just seemed so random, and then the direction seemed to focus on Gene asking for one of the fruit roll-ups and then opening the package as if he was going to discover something there.  

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36 minutes ago, Paloma said:

So what was the purpose of the scene with Gene coming to Dean's house drunk? Was it just a bit of comic relief, or is it possible that Gene was faking his drunkenness and using the visit as a way to investigate Dean? I know that is wishful thinking, but the whole thing just seemed so random, and then the direction seemed to focus on Gene asking for one of the fruit roll-ups and then opening the package as if he was going to discover something there.  

I don't think Gene was faking his drunkenness as he had to keep taking the breathalizer test until he could legally drive. I think the purpose was to show Dean that his evil plan which factored Gene being a casualty failed and to delay Dean from tracking down Nia for his cut.

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1 hour ago, nilyank said:

I don't think Gene was faking his drunkenness as he had to keep taking the breathalizer test until he could legally drive. I think the purpose was to show Dean that his evil plan which factored Gene being a casualty failed and to delay Dean from tracking down Nia for his cut.

This makes sense, but shouldn't it have been more obvious?

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7 hours ago, possibilities said:

 

I was worried about Pretzel all episode. Guess I was right

When they all walked into the apartment and stared in shock I actually thought Pretzel had been horribly murdered.  I was literally hiding behind a throw pillow. 

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From the previews it looks like he’ll be fine.  I saw Max carrying him (it always tickles me to see a large dog being carried) as they were running around in a warehouse or some sort of place.

But yeah, Show, kill off all the humans you want but leave the doggies alone! 

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3 hours ago, Kiki777 said:

But yeah, Show, kill off all the humans you want but leave the doggies alone! 

Amen! I was ready to instantly drop Lost if they killed Victor (that was the dog's name, right?). I'm not sure why fake-killing people isn't as upsetting as fake-killing animals, but there it is. Probably because even animals are usually totally innocent.

This episode was kind of a bore, frankly, and of course Murphy and Max have sex up against a tree in freezing weather while digging a hole in which to bury two people. *rme*

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37 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

Amen! I was ready to instantly drop Lost if they killed Victor (that was the dog's name, right?). I'm not sure why fake-killing people isn't as upsetting as fake-killing animals, but there it is. Probably because even animals are usually totally innocent.

This episode was kind of a bore, frankly, and of course Murphy and Max have sex up against a tree in freezing weather while digging a hole in which to bury two people. *rme*

Vincent!  That chubby happy yellow Lab!  And sometimes creepy too because he would watch the humans while hidden behind shrubbery.

Even fake-killing fake animals upsets me - like Shiva the tiger from The Walking Dead.  Ugh I am still mad about that and she was all CGI.

I loved everyone’s reaction to Murphy and Max’s role in the hay snow.  Slight disgust but mostly apathy.  Poor Josh - I liked him.

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Why did mom have SO MANY shovels, anyway?

When the bodies are found (I figure it's inevitable), will Chelsea get blamed, since her bar's St Patrick's Day banner is used to wrap the bodies? And will the drugs then be found when the Linsmore is searched? So... Chelsea gets accidentally framed?

Or will "everyone" assume Ben was dealing, Chelsea didn't know, and someone else killed both him and Nia? Would be fun if the gang can frame Josiah for the murders, somehow.

I hope Josh doesn't show up at Murphy's apartment while they're all being threatened by Josiah.

I'm surprised by how caught up I am in all this crazy.

I still love Chloe. I don't know how we get to see Dean taken down without her getting hurt, but I also really think Dean has to be dealt with. I'm not giving him a pass just because his daughter is awesome.

Gene's willingness to be like Dean has made me dislike him. I imagine this is how Dean started-- cut a corner here, disregard an order there, and after a while it becomes okay to do whatever you want, because you believe you ARE the law, not a servant of it. So... I see bad things for Gene in the future.

I don't know what I want for Josh. Or Sterling.

Why did the henchman they let go and who was subsequently killed by Sam not have a weapon, though? Did he drop it? I must have missed something.

It looks to me like Sam wants to take over Nia's operation. I don't think Darnell would want to, but I could be wrong about that, I suppose. I thought he genuinely did want out, after losing his love and his brother. The problem might be, though, that he doesn't have an easy answer for what else he can do next, or where to go to start over, without resources or friends.

And when/if both Nia and Josiah are gone, there will be a vacuum that someone will fill. People will still want to buy, and I predict Dean will want to take over, for the money. I'm not sure how he'd manage it, but that seems like what he'd want to do.

 

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I wonder if Dean shows up at Murphy's apartment to confront her about murdering Nia and then somehow is responsible for saving the gang from Josiah. It wouldn't redeem him in Murphy's (or anyone else's) eyes but maybe a truce is coming. 

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33 minutes ago, possibilities said:

Why did the henchman they let go and who was subsequently killed by Sam not have a weapon, though? Did he drop it? I must have missed something.

Maybe I missed something, too, because it seemed pretty unlikely that he would not come out with gun drawn after hearing a commotion in the bar. If Sam was in his place, there is no way she would be unprepared like that (which is probably part of the reason she decided to kill him).

37 minutes ago, possibilities said:

Gene's willingness to be like Dean has made me dislike him. I imagine this is how Dean started-- cut a corner here, disregard an order there, and after a while it becomes okay to do whatever you want, because you believe you ARE the law, not a servant of it. So... I see bad things for Gene in the future.

 Sorry for quoting you out of order, but I agree--this was the first time I really disliked him, seeing the way he was so adoring of Dean. I'm still holding out the slimmest of hopes that Gene will have a lightbulb moment, but it's more likely that he will eventually go bad (though of course he will think he is doing the right thing, or what is necessary to get to the right thing).

16 minutes ago, Samwise979 said:

I wonder if Dean shows up at Murphy's apartment to confront her about murdering Nia and then somehow is responsible for saving the gang from Josiah. It wouldn't redeem him in Murphy's (or anyone else's) eyes but maybe a truce is coming. 

Saving them would be the least he could do (even if unintentional), but I don't see how he could do it. Even if he could, he doesn't deserve to be redeemed or to have a truce.

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1 hour ago, possibilities said:

I see bad things for Gene in the future.

When Gene told Dean about searching Guiding Hope without a search warrant and taking a page out of his book, I thought Dean looked a little sick, which I was glad to see.

I think Gene is enough of a newbie that if he's assigned a partner who doesn't cut corners (and isn't Dean, heh), he can become a good detective.

34 minutes ago, Paloma said:

Saving them would be the least he could do (even if unintentional), but I don't see how he could do it. Even if he could, he doesn't deserve to be redeemed or to have a truce.

I like the idea of Dean inadvertently saving the gang, because you know it would irritate him to no end that Murphy escaped again. 

Dean's illegalities were felonies: He was aiding and abetting a drug dealer, not fixing parking tickets. He doesn't deserve any sort of happy ending, even if he has an awesome daughter who would now be parentless. Don't do the crime if you can't do the crime applies to everyone.

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5 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

When Gene told Dean about searching Guiding Hope without a search warrant and taking a page out of his book, I thought Dean looked a little sick, which I was glad to see.

I noticed that too and thought, huh, Dean actually feels guilty about something. 

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2 minutes ago, Samwise979 said:
7 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

When Gene told Dean about searching Guiding Hope without a search warrant and taking a page out of his book, I thought Dean looked a little sick, which I was glad to see.

I noticed that too and thought, huh, Dean actually regrets something. 

Dean’s sick look upon Gene saying he had followed Dean’s example of using illegal means could also mean the Dean will try to put Gene in a situation that will cost his life. Gene is a liability WRT Dean facing prison time. 
 

 

 

13 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

I like the idea of Dean inadvertently saving the gang, because you know it would irritate him to no end that Murphy escaped again. 

Dean is the Wile E. Coyote to Murphy’s Road Runner.

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Given how divorced this show is from reality, I think Dean's wife (Chloe's mom) will come back. We'll find out that Dean was actually trying to kill her and Chloe got in the way. Typical Dean, he screwed it up and she didn't die.

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1 hour ago, ketose said:

Given how divorced this show is from reality, I think Dean's wife (Chloe's mom) will come back. We'll find out that Dean was actually trying to kill her and Chloe got in the way. Typical Dean, he screwed it up and she didn't die.

I forget, were we ever given an explanation for what happened to his wife? I vaguely recall that she died from cancer, but I'm probably just mixing it up with another show.

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1 hour ago, Paloma said:

I forget, were we ever given an explanation for what happened to his wife? I vaguely recall that she died from cancer, but I'm probably just mixing it up with another show.

I thought they were both in a car accident.

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Regarding 2.12 "Where Have You Ben?"

There was a pretty high degree of tension with Sam, Dean, and Josiah ready to kill Murphy, Jess, Felix, and Max, especially at the moment when Sam, with gun drawn, is just a few feet away from them in Ben's storage facility. But then Pretzel lets out a whimper and we cut to Max cradling Pretzel in his arms as they make a run for it, and I burst out laughing. I may not have been rolling on the floor, but I was Laughing Out Loud. Such a Scooby gang. 

Likewise, Max's relationship whining was Seinfeldian levels of comical. 
I do hope Casey Deidrick (Max) gets a comedic role next.

 

 

Too bad Dean isn't nominated for the "Not You Again: Least Entertaining Villain" category in the Primetimers: primetimer.com/topic/110123-not-you-again-least-entertaining-villain/

 

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Thank you for having Josiah let Pretzel go immediately. He didn't seem to have any intention of using the dog as leverage. Making Pretzel the cause of Sam hearing them bummed me out, but at least no one was threatening the dog.

Do we know what happened to Chloe's mom? Maybe Dean killed her, too. I do like that this show has a nebbishy villain.

I was amazed when Sterling went to the cops. I want to know what her story is, now. I didn't think she'd trust the police. Why did she trust the police? Weird. I guess she lucked out in that the ones she talked to seemed to be actually not corrupt, but I for sure didn't see THAT coming.

The gang of 4 yelling about "the drugs" all the time-- on the phone, in the warehouse, at the dumpster-- wildly stupid.

I can't take seriously Max's pouting about Josh. Go ahead, feel whatever. But the inability to focus on the job at hand, and the petulant way he was expressing himself-- he seemed like child. At the same time, Josh is TOO sweet and I personally like him but I don't think Murphy is good for him.

But even with all the silly, I am still totally absorbed and feeling the suspense, so kudos, show. You got me.

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Next week is the finale?  I feel like there’s too much to wrap up.  Now that Gene knows about Dean I look forward to seeing how that turns out.  Wait, scratch that.  Gene will be killed unless they are finally writing Dean out.  Or Dean winds up in jail only to somehow get out next season.

I bet Pretzel whining translated to ‘dammit this is NOT part of my job as Guide Dog.  Being threatened by criminals and hiding in storage units?  F&ck this noise... oh crap now the tall human is carrying me’

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41 minutes ago, Kiki777 said:

Now that Gene knows about Dean I look forward to seeing how that turns out.  

But does he really know about Dean? I may have missed some dialogue, but aside from Chloe telling Gene that her father was not where he was supposed to be and Darnell saying that someone planted evidence on him, I didn't hear anything that cast direct suspicion on Dean. The big question is, how will Gene find out that Dean was actually working for Nia?

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Gene doesn't yet know that Dean is/was a dirty cop. I thought he might fight out reading the old files, but I suppose Dean was smart enough to cover things up there. I'm sure Gene will find out about Dean and then take a bullet, as we've been speculating.

Chloe seems to have a better idea of who her father is than Gene, heh.

I'm kind of tired of this drug story, TBH. It'd be nice if they wrapped it up early next season, as I assume there will be some cliffhanger ending.

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Darnell told Gene to "ask Dean" why ... he didn't say directly that Dean was the one who planted evidence, but he implied that Dean was involved in the corruption. I don't know whether Gene believed him or put it all together, but I think we're supposed to be in suspense about whether he did or didn't. He went to talk to Dean after that, which is when he accidentally spilled to Chloe that Dean hadn't gone to work. I think Gene ought to realize Dean is corrupt, since he told Gene not to bother with warrants. So... I don't know what to make of Gene anymore. Why did he hero-worship Dean in the first place? Dean wasn't even polite to him most of the time, tried to cut him out of the investigation whenever he could, and didn't actually come up with any great detective work. It's not like Dean was friendly, a good mentor, wildly successful at the work, or anything else. Gene makes no sense to me at this point, which I guess makes him unpredictable.

Maybe Josiah will kill Dean. But I don't trust Josiah to leave the 4 friends alone even if they do turn the drugs over to him. Why would he not consider them a potential risk, if alive? I was going to say that somehow tipping Josiah off to Dean would be the best move for the 4 friends, but my guess is that actually Josh will somehow save their asses, but then break up with Murphy. I really like Josh and his partner, but I don't think he will want to be involved with someone who lied to him, and was part of the whole criminal mess.I don't know how they keep him as a character, unless he becomes an aider and abettor or an adversary, at this point.

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4 minutes ago, possibilities said:

Why did he hero-worship Dean in the first place? Dean wasn't even polite to him most of the time, tried to cut him out of the investigation whenever he could, and didn't actually come up with any great detective work. It's not like Dean was friendly, a good mentor, wildly successful at the work, or anything else. Gene makes no sense to me at this point, which I guess makes him unpredictable.

A reveal that Gene was spying on Dean for "Internal Affairs Bureau" the whole time would make sense.

 

6 minutes ago, possibilities said:

I really like Josh and his partner, but I don't think he will want to be involved with someone who lied to him, and was part of the whole criminal mess.I don't know how they keep him as a character, unless he becomes an aider and abettor or an adversary, at this point.

Yeah, poor Josh looks like cannon fodder at this point. But would that leave Murphy with Max's shoulder to cry on? Max has very screen-worthy shoulders etc., but he's a little bit of a doofus.

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1 hour ago, shapeshifter said:

Max has very screen-worthy shoulders etc., but he's a little bit of a doofus.

Doofus? I'd say loser. No matter where he goes or who he's with turns to shit.

 

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4 hours ago, shapeshifter said:

A reveal that Gene was spying on Dean for "Internal Affairs Bureau" the whole time would make sense.

That's what I thought was happening all season, but then recently I started to think he actually was just a doof. I guess we'll find out next week.

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1 hour ago, dubbel zout said:

Dean had some protection from his superior, even if he ultimately fired Dean, so I hope the superior faces some consequences of looking the other way.

Maybe Dean's superior will be even more on the take and will get caught, resulting in Dean skating.
If that happens, I want Dean to get struck by lighting, die, and then have his long lost identical cousin show up to be Chloe's guardian.

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I need for 

1. Gene to figure this all out

2. Dean to go down (loved Mad Men so will hate to see the actor go but, you can only keep a bad guy around for so long)

3. Figure out some way to keep Chloe on the show

 

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Was this ("My Pride and Joy") the finale?

If so, the last (unintentionally funny) line was:

   [JOSH] You can't just leave me here!

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Josh, they really can't leave  you there, because then we wouldn't get lines like:

   [MURPHY] Just lay down with me.

   [JOSH in his British accent] Very well.

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I was so excited when Gene said ‘Dean, you’re under arrest’ and then... that happened.  So unfair.  I wanted him to pay for his crimes.  Poor Chloe.

What an oddly comedic ending.  I felt terrible for Josh.  So next season the Scooby Gang is on the lam?  Felix doesn’t seem strong enough to carry Pretzel around so they’ll have to reunite with Max somehow.

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Damn.

Loose ends:

Chloe!

Josh!

Darnell!

Sterling!

I find myself more interested in them than "gang on the lam".

I hated when Murphy broke up with Max and then didn't want him to leave. Enough already. You don't want him, let him go. Also, her ability to think she could just be with Josh after all that... she doesn't really respect him, she thinks he's stupid, maybe?

Someone is going to find those bodies they buried.

I like that Chloe is age appropriate. She isn't played or written as a mini adult. She's just right in terms of how someone the character's age would behave.

Josiah giving them the money... I didn't know how to read that. No strings, really? There isn't a catch? I just don't know.

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5 hours ago, possibilities said:

Josiah giving them the money... I didn't know how to read that. No strings, really? There isn't a catch? I just don't know.

Oh, you can be sure there’s a bajillion catches to the $40K from Josiah. 
Especially the catch of when the money is traced back to him. 
But first it will finance the Scooby Pretzel Gang’s first adventure next season. 

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