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S10.E09: Kody's Secret Plan


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10 minutes ago, Natalie68 said:

Meri doesn't have any kids that can be used as a tax write off?  With Robyn he's got the hobby biz of Sisterwives Closet (used to lower taxes per Robyn) and 4 kids under 18.  

Robyn was married when she had her first 3 kids.  Maybe it bothered her not being married when she had Sol, hence her push to be the legal wife.  

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19 hours ago, Irate Panda said:

I’m not going to lie, I would actually like to see all these fools in the same house. I’d give it a week before somebody’s sleeping in her car or a tent.

or RV 😉

If he had been thinking, Kootie would have divorced Meri to marry Janelle when she'd birthed at least two little tax deductions, then divorced her to marry Christine once Logan had moved away and Truely was born for the six little tax deductions.  Then divorced her to marry Robyn once Christine's boys joined the military.

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1 minute ago, smarty2020 said:

Robyn was married when she had her first 3 kids.  Maybe it bothered her not being married when she had Sol, hence her push to be the legal wife.  

Somehow, Christine and Janelle managed to overcome the bothersome detail of not being legally married when they pushed out 6 kids each for the Kingdom of Kody.

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7 minutes ago, smarty2020 said:

Robyn was married when she had her first 3 kids.  Maybe it bothered her not being married when she had Sol, hence her push to be the legal wife.  

Then maybe she shouldn't have knowingly joined a polygamist family where there was already a legal wife.   The world doesn't cater to just one individual.  Christine and Janelle survived the "horrors" of bringing children into the world without the license.  In fact, Christine was giving birth to Truely while Robyn was off on a date and kissing Kody.  Why is ROBYN so special?  

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12 hours ago, suomi said:

Moving 19 times sounds like an exaggeration. He married Meri in 1990, Janelle in 1993, Christine in 1994 and Robyn in 2010.

Wow - I did not realize it was 16 years between Christine marrying Kootie and Robyn marrying Kootie. 

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3 hours ago, kimaken said:

I really hope her B&B remains successful--but I also hope she's not forking over the money she makes from that business into Kody's grubby little hands.

She shouldn't be if they did not put any money into it.

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I don't know what is wrong with Meri getting 1500 sq ft when she's ONE person and she travels a lot (and seems to LOVE it.) I feel like people are acting like this is so bad for Meri when last time in Vegas people were screaming that she's selfish for wanting such a big house. I dunno...I wouldn't want Meri's life but 1500 sq ft for one woman isn't tantamount to abuse. Mariah doesn't seem like she'll be one to visit much either.

Did anyone notice Meri hasn't live tweeted since March 5th? Odd...

The Aspyn conversation really rubbed me the wrong way. I felt like Aspyn, as a newly married woman, shouldn't really be grilling her mother about why she wants to move. Some people just like to move. Like the quote by  J. R. R. Tolkien "Not all those who wander are lost." I thought it was especially rude of her to state that the parents were trying to fill a void to make them happy. I dunno. I found it very unnecessary.

Anyway, I'm positive I'm not making any friends here as I haven't seen a single person sharing these sentiments but I just came away feeling entirely differently for some reason. 🤷

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33 minutes ago, Natalie68 said:

That doctor gave me GIANT creeps!  Talking about how pretty Ysabel was, Kody needing a shotgun.  That would be the last time I took my daughter to a doctor that mentioned how attractive my teen daughter was.  I might also let it slip was a creeper he was.  I was stunned.

It was super strange. I also thought Christine hugging him was odd, and we love our pediatrician. Maybe it's not odd though, I've just never done it.

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2 minutes ago, llewis823 said:

She shouldn't be if they did not put any money into it.

Another little detail the Brown's will never make us privy to.  I have the distinct impression that what Meri earns, she keeps for herself.  One clue was when they refused her request for a loan, she set herself to sell the hell out of LLR for a few days and managed to raise the amount needed to complete the purchase.  I'm sure like the dutiful little wives that they are, Robyn and Janelle, throw their earnings (tax write-offs) into the communal pond.

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38 minutes ago, Sandy W said:

Somehow, Christine and Janelle managed to overcome the bothersome detail of not being legally married when they pushed out 6 kids each for the Kingdom of Kody.

So I don't think I've ever seen this addressed here and I had never really thought of it before. Unless they legally changed their last names to Brown via a name change (and not via a legal marriage) do Christine and Jenelle go by Brown as their last name on legal documents?

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6 minutes ago, Finchers said:

I don't know what is wrong with Meri getting 1500 sq ft when she's ONE person and she travels a lot (and seems to LOVE it.) I feel like are acting like this is so bad for Meri when last time in Vegas people were screaming that she's selfish for wanting such a big house. I dunno...I wouldn't want Meri's life but 1500 sq ft for one woman isn't tantamount to abuse. Mariah doesn't seem like she'll be one to visit much either.

Did anyone notice Meri hasn't live tweeted since March 5th? Odd...

The Aspyn conversation really rubbed me the wrong way. I felt like Aspyn, as a newly married woman, shouldn't really be grilling her mother about why she wants to move. Some people just like to move. Like the quote by  J. R. R. Tolkien "Not all those who wander are lost." I thought it was especially rude of her to state that the parents were trying to fill a void to make them happy. I dunno. I found it very unnecessary.

Anyway, I'm positive I'm not making any friends here as I haven't seen a single person sharing these sentiments but I just came away feeling entirely differently for some reason. 🤷

Agree on principle but given the circumstances I can see why it seems unfair. First of all, by the time they get this thing actually built, the wives will have very few children left at all. Janelle will soon by an empty nester and Christine will only have Truly.  So why should Meri have any less than Janelle or Christine?

 I agree that Meri doesn't really need more space but the optics of this are bad considering we already went through this when they got rentals in LV and again when the built in LV. The wives are supposed to get equal budgets because as Janelle said Meri shouldn't be punished for having less children -- since it wasn't her choice (and Kody said NO to trying to have more).

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1 minute ago, llewis823 said:

So I don't think I've ever seen this addressed here and I had never really thought of it before. Unless they legally changed their last names to Brown via a name change (and not via a legal marriage) do Christine and Jenelle go by Brown as their last name on legal documents?

It seems like all of them legally changed their last names to Brown, Christine and Janelle before the program started and Robyn made a big show about gift wrapping and presenting her name change documents to Kody one Christmas before they were legally married.

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1 minute ago, Tuxcat said:

Agree on principle but given the circumstances I can see why it seems unfair. First of all, by the time they get this thing actually built, the wives will have very few children left at all. Janelle will soon by an empty nester and Christine will only have Truly.  So why should Meri have any less than Janelle or Christine?

 I agree that Meri doesn't really need more space but the optics of this are bad considering we already went through this when they got rentals in LV and again when the built in LV. The wives are supposed to get equal budgets because as Janelle said Meri shouldn't be punished for having less children -- since it wasn't her choice (and Kody said NO to trying to have more).

I think the sad fact is that Meri won't have a pile of adult children and their spouses/grandchildren visiting in years to come. It really is sad. (Only because that's what Meri wanted) but it wouldn't be practical at all for her to have that much space. I do think Robyn's portion is way too big, there's no way she needs that space even if Dayton lives there.

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8 minutes ago, Kyanight said:

I don't see anything wrong with Meri's sq ft allotment EXCEPT for the fact that all of these kids are growing up and a lot of them will be out of the home in a few years.  So does Janelle and Christine need 1000 sq ft MORE?  And more importantly - Robyn has two young children  TWO!  Why in the world does she need 3500 sq ft?  That's ridiculous!   I think it's stupid that they all need to have their own living rooms but that's just me.    I don't understand why all of the wives can't have 2000 sq ft, say.  They would have an enormous living room and kitchen to share BESIDES their own kitchen.  

I can definitely see your point!

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22 minutes ago, llewis823 said:

Wow - I did not realize it was 16 years between Christine marrying Kootie and Robyn marrying Kootie. 

I wonder if they stayed in the same area but just moved houses a lot to stay ahead of the bills. 

I was going to pull my hair out when it comes to Yasabel. That poor girl thinks it’s her fault her curvature is getting worse. She is being forced to do “exercises” that don’t seem to have any real value in science when she should be living her life until the time comes for the surgery. Watching, I was so mad at christine because she basically put her head in the sand and decided her daughter was doing way better than the reality. At some point she is going to need that surgery but I fear Ysabel is going to spend years in pain because her parents want her to try experimental treatment to soothe themselves. 

I am a believer that, if you are a sister wife, you should each get the same thing. It would be ridiculous to build that enormous structure and, once the kids are gone, Robin is in the Queen’s wing while Meri is basically in the servant’s quarters.

I also didn’t understand the argument that Robin’s rental or final size was necessary because she needed so many rooms. Each kid doesn’t need their own room, some can double up, like Robin’s older daughters. My mom grew up the oldest of four in a three bedroom house. She got her own room because she was the only girl and the three boys shared a room. They all grew up to be great people so sharing a room is not being deprived. I also do understand the need for extra rooms for guests. Let them sleep on pull-out couches or air mattresses. Let the kids double up while someone is there. 

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12 minutes ago, MakingBacon said:

I was going to pull my hair out when it comes to Yasabel. That poor girl thinks it’s her fault her curvature is getting worse. She is being forced to do “exercises” that don’t seem to have any real value in science when she should be living her life until the time comes for the surgery. Watching, I was so mad at christine because she basically put her head in the sand and decided her daughter was doing way better than the reality. At some point she is going to need that surgery but I fear Ysabel is going to spend years in pain because her parents want her to try experimental treatment to soothe themselves. 

Yes! Oh my gosh I can't believe I forgot to mention this portion of the show. I was SO mad that Ysabel was crying and in obvious misery over "failing" to fix her curvature with exercises the DOCTOR told them would NOT work. That poor girl. Ridiculous!

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15 hours ago, Finchers said:

Call me crazy but that one but house looks AWESOME to me. If I didn't love my husband I'd be so up for that polygamy situation.

I used to talk about doing this with a friend when we had small children (not the polygamy part). We thought it would be great to have a big house like that with a common living space in the middle, and each couple in their own private wing and then be able to help each other with our kids as well as hang out and socialise.

13 hours ago, DaphneCat said:

Poor Ysabel - if this isn't one of the most egregious examples of parental psychological abuse I don't know what is.  She does those stupid exercises for HOURS each day and feels like a failure because they are succeeding.

This was so sad, letting her feel like it's her fault that she isn't "cured" because she isn't working hard enough at the exercises.

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If they decide to move once again in five years they will never sell kodys monstrosity house!

I would suggest he build four equal places one for each wife.

I like the idea of the  big family kitchen and family room they would share.

Then some dorm room type bedrooms for kids that are still home that can be used when those that leave return to visit!

This seems fair to all!

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4 minutes ago, Jeanne222 said:

If they decide to move once again in five years they will never sell kodys monstrosity house!

I would suggest he build four equal places one for each wife.

I like the idea of the  big family kitchen and family room they would share.

Then some dorm room type bedrooms for kids that are still home that can be used when those that leave return to visit!

This seems fair to all!

That would make sense, but Meri and Janelle would rather die than share a kitchen. They've said almost as much. They blame sharing a kitchen earlier in their marriage for the way their relationship is now. 

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1 hour ago, Finchers said:

I don't know what is wrong with Meri getting 1500 sq ft when she's ONE person and she travels a lot (and seems to LOVE it.) I feel like people are acting like this is so bad for Meri when last time in Vegas people were screaming that she's selfish for wanting such a big house. I dunno...I wouldn't want Meri's life but 1500 sq ft for one woman isn't tantamount to abuse. Mariah doesn't seem like she'll be one to visit much either.

Did anyone notice Meri hasn't live tweeted since March 5th? Odd...

The Aspyn conversation really rubbed me the wrong way. I felt like Aspyn, as a newly married woman, shouldn't really be grilling her mother about why she wants to move. Some people just like to move. Like the quote by  J. R. R. Tolkien "Not all those who wander are lost." I thought it was especially rude of her to state that the parents were trying to fill a void to make them happy. I dunno. I found it very unnecessary.

Anyway, I'm positive I'm not making any friends here as I haven't seen a single person sharing these sentiments but I just came away feeling entirely differently for some reason. 🤷

Most single women with one child should/would be fine with a 1500 sq ft house.  What I have seen in the last umpteen years of watching is SHE won't be fine with a 1500 sq ft house.  SHE won't think she should get less than the other wives because if it were up to her she would need a larger house and have 8 kids.  

I believe Aspyn has a right to ask her mom why the move and why be in such a hurry.  She sees how this is affecting her sibs and she lived through lots of moves herself.  It is also because as viewers everyone is pretty much wondering so they needed it asked/answered onscreen.  Maybe Aspyn doesn't really care but she was the one appointed to ask on screen why.  

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Convinced that the single house was just a storyline for the season. The drafting architect got some free publicity.  It was never gonna happen. Before they moved to Vegas, maybe because of how that's how they lived before, at least the first 3 wives, but now they've all had their freedom and Independence it will never happen. 

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1 minute ago, sucker4reality said:

That would make sense, but Meri and Janelle would rather die than share a kitchen. They've said almost as much. They blame sharing a kitchen earlier in their marriage for the way their relationship is now. 

They would each have a kitchen!  They would only partake in the b ig kitchen if the mood strikes them!  Seems to me Christine is the party planner!

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16 hours ago, Bananas1313 said:

Since when did this become the Kody & Christine show? Most of the interactions took place in her house, with her, but what about his daily life with Robyn & Jeanelle?

(I specifically left out Meri because, tbh, there probably isn’t a whole lot to show there)

Really.  Christine becomes more annoying with each episode. I'm sick of hearing her vooiiice already. shut up. Who made you the boss of everyone? And yea Christine, Kody can only have one legal wife. That's the law, get over it. She's now surpassed Meri in wife I dislike the most. 

And, if polygamy is legalized all you second third and twentieth wives won't be able to collect welfare. Thought about that?

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6 minutes ago, Lady of nod said:

Really.  Christine becomes more annoying with each episode. I'm sick of hearing her vooiiice already. shut up. Who made you the boss of everyone? And yea Christine, Kody can only have one legal wife. That's the law, get over it. She's now surpassed Meri in wife I dislike the most. 

And, if polygamy is legalized all you second third and twentieth wives won't be able to collect welfare. Thought about that?

Do you think they are still collecting welfare and food stamps with the big salaries?

I ponder that because it there's a buck to be had they'll get it!

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1 hour ago, Finchers said:

I feel like people are acting like this is so bad for Meri when last time in Vegas people were screaming that she's selfish for wanting such a big house.

In this situation, it is King Kody making the decisions for his wives. He is the one deciding that Robyn needs 3500 square feet and Meri only needs 1500.  The wives are having no say in the designingk of this house.

Then again, it is all for show and drama when the wives see the plans. No one, even Kody, is serious about a plyg house.

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1 hour ago, Sandy W said:

Another little detail the Brown's will never make us privy to.  I have the distinct impression that what Meri earns, she keeps for herself.  One clue was when they refused her request for a loan, she set herself to sell the hell out of LLR for a few days and managed to raise the amount needed to complete the purchase.

Oh, please. Meri did not sell $40,000 worth of extra LuLaNo to raise what she needed. She refinanced her house or took a second mortgage. I don't know which one exactly but it sure was not from a couple of weeks of selling more of those hideous clothes. 

Which brings me to my question of how did Christine and Meri manage to put all that cash down, $300,000 (Christine) and $180,000 (Meri) on the land when Kody clearly said they didn't have $40,000 to give Meri for the B&B? None of this makes any sense. 

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8 minutes ago, bichonblitz said:

Oh, please. Meri did not sell $40,000 worth of extra LuLaNo to raise what she needed. She refinanced her house or took a second mortgage. I don't know which one exactly but it sure was not from a couple of weeks of selling more of those hideous clothes. 

Which brings me to my question of how did Christine and Meri manage to put all that cash down, $300,000 (Christine) and $180,000 (Meri) on the land when Kody clearly said they didn't have $40,000 to give Meri for the B&B? None of this makes any sense. 

As preposterous as it sounds, it is possible.  I follow the LLR Teahouse thread over on reddit and a few of the top retailers are/were selling in that volume.

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7 minutes ago, Sandy W said:

As preposterous as it sounds, it is possible.  I follow the LLR Teahouse thread over on reddit and a few of the top retailers are/were selling in that volume.

Really? Meri only had a couple of weeks to raise $40,000. Is she a top retailer? If that is possible, then I just found my new career! Anybody here need any ugly colorful leggings? 

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24 minutes ago, bichonblitz said:

Oh, please. Meri did not sell $40,000 worth of extra LuLaNo to raise what she needed. She refinanced her house or took a second mortgage.

Didn't she make reference to some sort of "creative" shenanigans with the bank that she had to do to get the loan?

44 minutes ago, Mahamid Frauded Me said:

If they purchased all this land, why couldn't they just rent mobile homes and tuck them away on the property while the houses were being built ? 

I'm guessing there would be some sort of zoning ordinance against mobile homes.

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42 minutes ago, Natalie68 said:

Most single women with one child should/would be fine with a 1500 sq ft house.  What I have seen in the last umpteen years of watching is SHE won't be fine with a 1500 sq ft house.  SHE won't think she should get less than the other wives because if it were up to her she would need a larger house and have 8 kids.  

I believe Aspyn has a right to ask her mom why the move and why be in such a hurry.  She sees how this is affecting her sibs and she lived through lots of moves herself.  It is also because as viewers everyone is pretty much wondering so they needed it asked/answered onscreen.  Maybe Aspyn doesn't really care but she was the one appointed to ask on screen why.  

I could definitely see asking why and at her age having some irrational feelings about it, but, I just personally thought the grilling was over the top and the rude comment about how they're trying to fill a void...that's really just conjecture and pretty rude to say on national television about your own parents. Just because it's not how Aspyn does things doesn't make it wrong. Imo

28 minutes ago, Galloway Cave said:

In this situation, it is King Kody making the decisions for his wives. He is the one deciding that Robyn needs 3500 square feet and Meri only needs 1500.  The wives are having no say in the designingk of this house.

Then again, it is all for show and drama when the wives see the plans. No one, even Kody, is serious about a plyg house.

Designingk 😂😂 I really hope they go through with it. So much more interesting to watch.

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4 minutes ago, bichonblitz said:

Really? Meri only had a couple of weeks to raise $40,000. Is she a top retailer? If that is possible, then I just found my new career! Anybody here need any ugly colorful leggings? 

Meri has achieved either Trainer or Mentor status with LLRags, which means she also gets bonus checks from everything her downline sells.

Don't quit your day job just yet, lol, the whole good ship LLR has sailed and may be drownding.

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1 hour ago, OldWiseOne said:

I used to talk about doing this with a friend when we had small children (not the polygamy part). We thought it would be great to have a big house like that with a common living space in the middle, and each couple in their own private wing and then be able to help each other with our kids as well as hang out and socialise.

Me too! I think that's why the one big house appeals to me so much. I'm sure I'm romanticizing it in my head but it seems like it would be really cool. I could even go for polygamy if I didn't really care about the guy. 😆 Makes sense, I know.

4 minutes ago, Sandy W said:

Meri has achieved either Trainer or Mentor status with LLRags, which means she also gets bonus checks from everything her downline sells.

Don't quit your day job just yet, lol, the whole good ship LLR has sailed and may be drownding.

I've been thinking that for self-preservation Meri should jump on a new MLM that isn't sinking. I know they're predatory but if she's going to do it anyway and has no other viable skills...

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After all these years, why is Christine whining about having a legal marriage?  Common sense would say that she's getting up in years, and realizing that she's paid very little into Social Security.  If something happens to Kootie, she could collect SS on her children until they turn eighteen, but after that, she'll be high and dry.  Not to mention having no claim on any money or property that doesn't bear her name.  But then she's a Brown, so common sense isn't normally a consideration.

Realistically, it is most likely story line driven.  She's been waaaay too cheerful and chipper the past couple of seasons, so the producers have given her a new reason to express her annoying unhappiness.  She most likely would like to have the legal status for a change.  But more important, this gives her a new opportunity to let the world know that polygamists face more discrimination and persecution than is bearable by most people.

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I would have loved the Aspen/Christine conversation to have been a Kody/Aspen conversation!

They move because that's how restless Kody rolls!  Some of the older kids have figured that out!

They also move for the storyline it creates!

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Just had another thought.  Mr. X wandered through the room this a.m. when I was watching the DVR'ed episode.  When Christine & Aspyn were on Christine's bed talking, Mr. X said, "why is the bedpost on the right shorter than the one on the left?"  He notices the small stuff that I miss, but he won't sit and watch the whole thing with me.  I don't mind too much, as I have a lot of fun with my fellow snarkers here.

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13 minutes ago, Sandy W said:

Meri has achieved either Trainer or Mentor status with LLRags, which means she also gets bonus checks from everything her downline sells.

Don't quit your day job just yet, lol, the whole good ship LLR has sailed and may be drownding.

Does downline mean the sellers she personally recruited? 

I had thought she had recruited Maddie, Mykelti and Christine but after reading about the feud I now think Maddie, Mykelti and Christine are one team and Meri is not a part of it.

Still can't figure out how the 4 of them manage to sell this stuff. They are all competing for a tiny fan base / potential buyers.

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1 hour ago, Mahamid Frauded Me said:

If they purchased all this land, why couldn't they just rent mobile homes and tuck them away on the property while the houses were being built ? 

They probably don't have the money to run utilities to the property to support mobile homes.

51 minutes ago, Jeanne222 said:

Do you think they are still collecting welfare and food stamps with the big salaries?

I ponder that because it there's a buck to be had they'll get it!

Definitely not.  That's fraud and they are WAY too well known to get away with it.

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1 hour ago, Lady of nod said:

Really.  Christine becomes more annoying with each episode. I'm sick of hearing her vooiiice already. shut up. Who made you the boss of everyone? And yea Christine, Kody can only have one legal wife. That's the law, get over it. She's now surpassed Meri in wife I dislike the most. 

And, if polygamy is legalized all you second third and twentieth wives won't be able to collect welfare. Thought about that?

Even worse is you can barely hear it through her "keep sweet" whisper.

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3 minutes ago, Tuxcat said:

Does downline mean the sellers she personally recruited? 

I had thought she had recruited Maddie, Mykelti and Christine but after reading about the feud I now think Maddie, Mykelti and Christine are one team and Meri is not a part of it.

Still can't figure out how the 4 of them manage to sell this stuff. They are all competing for a tiny fan base / potential buyers.

I remember reading that Maddie had first gotten into LLR by assisting Meri and helping her with shipping inventory. 

And what feud? There's a family feud based on fugly leggings? 

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2 minutes ago, Tuxcat said:

Does downline mean the sellers she personally recruited? 

I had thought she had recruited Maddie, Mykelti and Christine but after reading about the feud I now think Maddie, Mykelti and Christine are one team and Meri is not a part of it.

Still can't figure out how the 4 of them manage to sell this stuff. They are all competing for a tiny fan base / potential buyers.

I'm embarrassed that I know this much about LLR, but to achieve Trainer status, you have to have recruited 10 or more people to your downline.  I don't know if Meri brought Mykelti, Maddie and Christine on board, but her sister was at least one of her first recruits.

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